How We Got There

This episode of the How We Got There podcast features a conversation with Mark Rutledge, Chief Storyteller | Global ISV Partner Solutions at Salesforce. The builder advocacy program that he works on is one that every ISV should learn about and explore if they might be a fit for working with them.Fun fact - I worked with Mark Rutledge when he as a client of my former business, GTM Guides, while he was building on the Salesforce platform for at Moody’s. Thanks to Codescience (now Bridgenext) for bringing us together.Mark shares his journey of being in the ecosystem to working at Salesforce to bring the human aspect to partners - contemplate who we are building for vs. just what we are building. PDOs are an essential part of the ecosystem as they have a view of the technology and the market to help an ISV’s vision come to production - especially important for composite apps who don’t have Salesforce dev and architecture talent internally.One of my favorite parts of the conversation was hearing Mark talk about constructing a hero story around the pain end customers will be feeling all the way to “the universe has been saved” in the narrative. It all starts with spending time listening to customers, approaching it with empathy. If you’re just getting started, try to end a demo of a feature with “…so you can _________” as an easy way to integrate what it actually means to your customers.We touch on the shift from per-seat pricing to consumption-based pricing and how ISVs should be looking to adapt to the model where Salesforce is goring towards.This episode is brought to you by ISVApp. ISVapp the usage analytics platform built specifically for Salesforce ISV and OEM applications. ISVapp is your central toolbox for reducing churn, increasing renewals, uncovering upsell opportunities, and closing more deals. #salesforce #isv #gtm #salesforcepartners #appexchange

I met Brittany Hart, founder of Communiscape, from an introduction from Blakely Graham. I was planning to interview her on How We Got There about her experience scaling an SI (Fortimize) as employee 2 before starting/exiting her own Salesforce SI (Platinum Cubed) but then I got to listen to her present via a professional leadership community I am a part of called Arcadia and I knew that I had to expand the conversation to have her share a bit about how ISVs can help your customers digest your app through “change architecture”.Brittany shares her experience around industry focus and its importance from her time at SIs, who both went deep in order to more effectively co-sell with Salesforce. Put yourself in your customer’s shoes - you’re interacting across the screen with customers with a different communication style going on and then you are using this technical jargon about new screens of an app that the customers have never seen - the least you can do is work to use the customer’s industry terms to help break through the noise. And don’t let your depth of knowledge cause you to glaze past key learnings during demos. One that we talk about is Salesforce reports & dashboards. Every ISV I have worked with undersells the importance of this functionality.You gotta give before you get. The best ISVs she worked with genuinely care about solving customer problems, not just growing pipeline/revenue, but also commit even before asking for anything in return like TaskRay did with them early days. The worst ones operate much more transactionally.Brittany brings in the 5 terrains of communication through the lens of how ISVs can provide better service to their customers. As an actionable example, listen in to Brittany’s tips around voicescape which is especially important when conveying confidence and authority for women.There is so much goodness in the 2nd half of this episode for sales and services people.This episode is brought to you by ISVApp. ISVapp the usage analytics platform built specifically for Salesforce ISV and OEM applications. ISVapp is your central toolbox for reducing churn, increasing renewals, uncovering upsell opportunities, and closing more deals. #salesforce #isv #gtm #salesforcepartners #appexchange

Wondering what SIs care about and how they approach implementing ISVs for the first (or hundredth) time? This episode if for you!In the latest episode of How We Got There, I speak with Steve Simpson, VP of Global Enablement & Learning at Copado, Co-Founder of Catcusforce and Certified Architect Instructor. Steve and I dive deep on the reality of the complex deal cycles that Salesforce ISVs experience and how best to posture in them, especially with new to you SIs. It’s a timely episode as Cactusforce and Architect Dreamin’ are coming up in Phoenix in late January and it’s not too late to sponsor to fill the funnel for the new year….and get some warm weather in the winter! Go to the websites to learn more and find the prospectus.The customer, Salesforce AEs/SEs/RVPs, SIs can all be involved in a deal. Steve explains the personas in a deal and how it can/should change based on how you came to the deal. Did Salesforce or an SI bring you to the deal? Then they are the dominant person in the deal and you need to adjust your posture but one thing is a common through line is to make sure you continue to do right by the customer “with honesty and delivery”. Obviously you can ignore all of this complexity, but it introduces risk in your deals!Steve has wonderful detailed suggestions on how you position your experience in a specific scenario, even if you don’t have any, that he borrows from a friend who trains physicians. He then relates it to how an SI can communicate their experience on your app. We talk about learning strategies that is tailored for customers and partners, the latter covering both sales and delivery. Steve is a wealth of knowledge and I am grateful for his sharing so freely.This episode is brought to you by Tequity Advisors . Tequity Advisors is a global sell-side M&A advisory firm with core expertise in SaaS and ISVs, Salesforce, ServiceNow, SAP, Microsoft, all things Data and AI, and the hyper scaler MSP cloud ecosystems with a focus on the Salesforce ecosystem and beyond!

On this episode of How We Got There, I am joined again by Jason Hoult, the Founder and former CEO of Anvil App Works who was acquired by Tractor Zoom in 12/2023, for part 2! If you missed it, give our first episode together from July 2023 a listen. It was an excellent episode where we talked about a wide range of topics, but my highlight was his approach to company building & nailing a niche. You don’t have to start a business that is a massive multi-trillion TAM. Jason got great advice to stick with what he knows well, Salesforce & John Deere dealerships. You can later expand from there, like they did to expand other types of dealerships.On this episode, we look back into how he met their acquirer, initially at an event that both companies were sponsoring. Talk about an ROI from sponsoring a trade show!Jason shares openly about the courting process but also talks about how the partner relationship started with a formal partnership & co-marketing agreement. This enabled both teams to lean in and prove the mutual customer value before taking the next steps. We talked about how he knew it made sense to sell from a timing pov and lessons learned to help you avoid a couple mistakes (like some paperwork with customer agreements). Jason is a true believer of EOS to help align a company on strategy & values.He is such an asset to the ecosystem with his transparency & authenticity. I hope you enjoy this session even half as much as I did. This episode is brought to you by Tequity Advisors . Tequity Advisors is a global sell-side M&A advisory firm with core expertise in SaaS and ISVs, Salesforce, ServiceNow, SAP, Microsoft, all things Data and AI, and the hyper scaler MSP cloud ecosystems with a focus on the Salesforce ecosystem and beyond!

On this episode of How We Got There, I am joined by Alex MacKay, Executive Chairman & Co-Founder of Tequity Advisors. He shares his start in CRM when running Siebel Canada and found his way into sell-side advisory for M&A at Tequity, with deep experience in the Salesforce ecosystem with 28 companies and counting.*If you are at Dreamforce next week, make sure to reach out to Alex or Mahnoor Naeem if you will be there too*They take a long-term view of the relationship, oftentimes getting to know a company over a period of 2-3 years to help them get ready to sell. They help demystify the journey, even serving as an informal board member in many cases.We talk a bit about lessons learned and Alex shares his advice at various stages of an ISV’s journey from first customers, to a couple million in ARR, to scale. He talks about the importance for entrepreneurs to roll out a management operating system, like EOS, to help set the business up for growth. Alex shares his advice for early-stage ISVs around speaking with customers in their language, not about your product!This episode is brought to you by Tequity Advisors . Tequity Advisors is a global sell-side M&A advisory firm with core expertise in SaaS and ISVs, Salesforce, ServiceNow, SAP, Microsoft, all things Data and AI, and the hyper scaler MSP cloud ecosystems with a focus on the Salesforce ecosystem and beyond!

I am joined by Ben McCarthy, Founder of Salesforce Ben, Lab.club and advisor to a number of great companies in the ecosystem like AscendX, Tequity Advisors, and PipeLaunch. We talk about his journey from university to stumbling upon Salesforce and then after being called SalesforceBoy grew into Salesforce Ben. We talk about how to approach thought leadership, holding nothing back from the reader. Give back and give value and best practices without selling first. Obviously your offering will help more, but for basic use cases consider helping those salesforce users solve their problem without using your solution. There will be time to position your premium solution once trust is established.People in the ecosystem will know of Salesforce Ben and Ben himself, but some ISVs might not know that you can actually engage with SFB to help engage the Salesforce community with things like sponsored content, thought leadership, dreamforce activations and more. Their team has data and expertise to help guide ISVs on what works and what doesn’t to drive conversions. We talk about the state of the ecosystem around things like events and how it’s changed over the last decade. Experimenting with things like video and shorts vs. things like white papers. Speaking of exploration, Ben also gives his point of view on how and why they launched NowBen, a similar platform to Salesforce Ben but focused on the ServiceNow ecosystem. I think everyone can learn from his point of view on this topic.Make sure you follow Gearset and Elements.Cloud with Kevin Boyle and Ian Gotts, respectively. Here is the link to Salesforce Ben’s parties and events guide for Dreamforce 2025 next month. https://www.salesforceben.com/official-dreamforce-parties-and-events-guide-2025/ This episode is brought to you by Tequity Advisors . Tequity Advisors is a global sell-side M&A advisory firm with core expertise in SaaS and ISVs, Salesforce, ServiceNow, SAP, Microsoft, all things Data and AI, and the hyper scaler MSP cloud ecosystems with a focus on the Salesforce ecosystem and beyond!

I am joined by ⁠Ryan Sieve, the CTO at Accounting Seed⁠. We get to talk about his journey from consulting in the Salesforce ecosystem to his time at Salesforce itself, before heading to Accounting Seed to lead their technology group as CTO. And thank you to Jon Schultz for the suggestion to be joined by Ryan!We start out talking about positioning products to buyers in ways that focus on solving problems vs. the speeds and feeds of a product. We touch on feature prioritization at a mature ISV like Accounting Seed and how best to collect feedback from internal and external constituents. Ryan and his team leans into customer and partner feedback to help drive features they build and at the 18:10 mark shares tactically how they execute and track the product feedback in their own internal instance of Salesforce. Accounting Seed has worked with Agentforce to optimize both collections and accounts payable to drive improved cashflow for their customers, freeing up time on their teams to be more strategic. Ryan shares their experience of how best to align with Salesforce on this new technology but always with an eye on what is going to help their customers as the top priority. We touch on their team's use of App Analytics from Salesforce, setting up listeners to understand better how your application is being used in the wild. And ISVApp is an option that layers on top of that for even better insights. Accounting Seed leverages Trialforce technology with org creation automation and to keep the data and config up to date via Github repository.This episode is brought to you by ⁠⁠⁠Invisory⁠⁠⁠. Invisory is designed to meet you where you are: in your cloud marketplace journey through a strong go-to-market strategy that helps drive prospect and co-sell opportunities with Salesforce, AWS, Microsoft, and Google.

I am joined by Heather Cooper, the COO at Baker Law Group and the former CEO at Cloud Coach. Heather and I didn't know each other when we competed against each other (TaskRay and Cloud Coach) but have gotten to know each other since, which has been really fun. She is starting a podcast with one of my favorite work people, Blakely Graham, that will launch later this year.While Heather was at Cloud Coach, they found a great talent pipeline by running an internship program recruiting heavily from the local university near their HQ, Colorado State in Fort Collins, CO. She shares lessons learned regarding sizing of that program.We talk about her experience working with Tequity advisors, who are a sell-side advisory firm, helped her navigate leading the process where Cloud Coach exited to private equity and how engaging early, way before they were ready to sell, was important along the way. Even though Heather is A lawyer, she isn't YOUR lawyer. With that in mind, her and I talk through some important concepts for every ISV to consider and hold the line around key contract terms like termination for convenience, multi-year deals, and the importance of educating the buyer on how security works with the Salesforce platform. This episode is brought to you by ⁠⁠Invisory⁠⁠. Invisory is designed to meet you where you are: in your cloud marketplace journey through a strong go-to-market strategy that helps drive prospect and co-sell opportunities with Salesforce, AWS, Microsoft, and Google.

In today’s episode of How We Got There, I talk with George Kenessey who is the CEO of Appiphony. Appiphony is a Product Development Outsourcer (PDO) and more recently an ISV themselves with Drive Connect on the AppExchange. George is one of the best humans and business leaders in the ecosystem. This conversation took place wayyyy back pre-Dreamforce but I finally got around to releasing it and it’s one of the most insightful ones. George shares his experience of helping companies launch on the AppExchange over the last 15 years as well as their own apps, taking their learnings from the PDO world to their own AppExchange journey. He shares tips relevant to new ISVs going through the security process with Salesforce and then moves into GTM lessons from launching Drive Connect. They designed a PLG motion on the AppExchange, including building a way for customers to sign up for a trial and ability to purchase via Stripe on the backend. The best gtm motion they have found is writing specific content to help their customers and partners solve a problem that is related although not fully solved necessarily by Drive Connect. If you help people do their job for free, they will eventually give you money is something I say often and what George and team are doing over there. Drive Connect has one of the best partner resources pages out there, I encourage you to check it out as you consider how well you are set up to enable SI partners. Link to the episode in the comments (or on Apple Podcasts) This episode is brought to you by Invisory. Invisory is designed to meet you where you are: whether you’re looking to list on the AppExchange, are in the process of listing, or listed and looking to accelerate success. Links: George's LI - https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgekenessey/ Appiphony LI - https://www.linkedin.com/company/appiphony/ Drive Connect AppEx listing - https://appexchange.salesforce.com/appxListingDetail?listingId=a0N3A00000FMlVWUA1 Invisory LI - https://www.linkedin.com/company/invisory-co/ Drive Connect Partner Page - https://driveconnect.me/partner-resources/

In today’s episode of How We Got There, I talk with Andrew Walker, who is the Founder at Sanitas Accounting. I consider Andrew a friend after our time together at TaskRay where he was our full-time CFO after starting as a fractional CFO. His business is now focused on helping smaller software companies with accounting and finance so they can focus on running their business. We reminisce about our learnings alongside each other at TaskRay (where I headed up sales along with other revenue activities) from when he joined the business, including what he worked on in the first 90 days. Andrew shares how he optimized TaskRay’s cash position as we entered the start of the pandemic by incrementally improving our accounts receivable process, including moving our payment terms from Net 30 to Net 7. This created a give-get scenario for our sales team and helped us in our negotiation….in the rare cases when someone actually pushed back! Other topics include legal agreement best practices around what really matters, friction between sales and finance, sales tax (which can pierce the corporate veil), pricing strategy, exiting the business, and more. If you’re a founder without an FTE over finance, this episode is for you! If you are a gtm leader, get in the head of your finance counterpart with some lessons learned. This episode is brought to you by Tequity Advisors. Tequity Advisors is a global sell-side M&A advisory firm with core expertise in B2B Enterprise Cloud, SaaS, and IT Services companies with a focus on the Salesforce ecosystem and beyond! https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrandrewwalker/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/sanitas-accounting-bookkeeping/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/tequityadvisors/

In today’s episode of How We Got There, I talk with Sam Yarborough, (https://www.linkedin.com/in/sam-yarborough-a96b3326/) who is the SVP of Partnerships at PFL (https://www.linkedin.com/company/pflcom/). We talk about rebooting a partnership program but starting with working on their Trailblazer partner score to build momentum and aligning closely with their Partner Account Manager (PAM) to build deep rapport. From there, they started diving deeply into an industry-specific approach vs. just having a horizontal message. Sam and team has built an impressive solution in their instance of Salesforce to track partnerships with Salesforce and SIs in a scalable manner. All Salesforce AEs are now tracked and treated as customers, with marketing focus included. Resources: Website: ⁠https://www.pfl.com/ Sam’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sam-yarborough-a96b3326/ This episode is brought to you by Tequity Advisors, a global sell-side M&A advisory firm with core expertise in B2B Enterprise Cloud, SaaS, and IT Services companies. They are focused on SaaS and ISVs, Salesforce, ServiceNow, SAP, Microsoft, Adobe and the MSP Clouds. Tequity has already completed 22 transactions in the Salesforce and Salesforce ISV ecosystems. Visit⁠ ⁠tequityadvisors.com⁠⁠ to learn how they Achieve great outcomes for our clients both in valuation and in terms.

Before we hop in, thank you for your support on our journey. GTM Guides is now part of InVisory! (https://home.invisory.co/press-release) In today’s episode of How We Got There, I talk with Tal Frankfurt, who is the founder and CEO of Cloud For Good. He shares his journey to the Salesforce ecosystem and to the the US from the early days of Salesforce consulting, starting 13 years ago. Cloud For Good is a Salesforce SI focused on Non-profits, higher ed, and more that now has over 200 employees on their team, Tal is passionate about helping unlock talent by upskilling people to add to the ecosystem with a focus on diverse candidates via apprenticeships with Talent For Good. If you are looking for diverse, well-trained talent please check out Talent For Good. He shares his thoughts on partnering with ISVs from an SI’s point of view. Cloud For Good has over 20 ISV partners listed on their website. First and foremost, does it solve a problem for his clients. Next he evaluates their technology with regards to integration and extensability within Salesforce without customization. Lastly, is the company support. Support requests are inevitable but Tal shares his expectations about alignment with the end client to ensure timely and satisfactory resolution when a problem arises They often give multiple ISV options to their clients vs. just recommending a single solution. His advice to ISVs is to look to enable consultants vs. his sales team. They track their referrals for ISVs and the top ones have had 100s of referrals since they started tracking it. The best way to start a partnership? Come with an existing mutual client and then offer up enablements to their consulting teams that leans into the technical details of your application. As a SI, their top producing lead source is Salesforce AEs who bring them directly into client accounts. He shares openly about their successes and failures in expanding their focus area globally with local offices in Europe with languages, currencies, and employment laws. Resources: Tal’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/talfrankfurt/ Cloud For Good: https://cloud4good.com/ Talent For Good: https://cloud4good.com/talent-for-good/ This episode is brought to you by Tequity Advisors, a global sell-side M&A advisory firm with core expertise in B2B Enterprise Cloud, SaaS, and IT Services companies. They are focused on SaaS and ISVs, Salesforce, ServiceNow, SAP, Microsoft, Adobe and the MSP Clouds. Tequity has already completed 22 transactions in the Salesforce and Salesforce ISV ecosystems. Visit tequityadvisors.com to learn how they Achieve great outcomes for our clients both in valuation and in terms.

In today’s episode of How We Got There, I talk with Bethany Blackwell, who is a VP at Carahsoft. Bethany runs the Salesforce channel for Carahsoft, which includes Salesforce, Slack, Mulesoft, Tableau, ISVs, and SIs. Carahsoft has worked with Salesforce for the past 15 years as a Value-Added Reseller and got there start on the GSA schedule to help Salesforce sell to the public sector here in the US. They help with sales, marketing, and contracting for Salesforce and it’s partners to federal, state, and local government organizations. If you have public sector demand for your application that includes interest from a customer, it’s a good time to reach out to Carahsoft who will get you set up on the correct contract vehicle. This will expedite the purchasing process, sometimes even avoiding the need to take it to RFP. The earlier you call them the better, even before pricing is discussed. As your public sector gtm becomes more intentional with at least one FTE focused on this industry, Carahsoft will work with partners add value to your sales and marketing efforts. Top examples are Nintex, Copado, Ownbackup, and many more. Recent legislation in the US has caused even more opportunity for the Salesforce platform and ISV partners to help deliver value to it’s citizens. During the pandemic, Bethany recalls all of the amazing solutions that the ecosystem helped to create with 20+ states using the Salesforce platform for contact tracing and vaccine rollouts.  We discuss FedRamp, which is a set of standards put in place for security standards for software offerings. The program is great for buyers but takes significant money and time for an ISV but is required for companies looking to go “all-in” for public sector. A common misconception for ISVs that are native to Salesforce is that because they are built on the Salesforce platform and they are FedRamp/SOC 2 Type 2 certified, you as an ISV inherit that. It’s true it makes it easier but it involves (much more) than just that. If you’re interested in exploring this channel, reach out to them at salesforce@carahsoft.com for an introductory meeting. A tip for your conversations is to ask them how they purchase today, do they leverage Carahsoft? Carahsoft can help partners with their gtm approach for public sector! Here’s a closer look at the episode: ’0:01:19 What role does Salesforce have in the ecosystem that they lived in? ’0:01:44 What Carahsoft does for salesforce and for the broader ecosystem? ’0:03:22 How should they think about Carahsoft and how you can help? ’0:06:37 What’s the best strategy on how to go to market in this ecosystem? ’0:06:57 How does your team work with the Salesforce AEs in the public sector? ’0:10:20 Who do you work with today, and some lessons learned? ’0:10:26 What are some mistakes folks can avoid? ’0:18:33 What’s a mistake to avoid for folks starting to dip their toe into federal or state? ’0:20:22 What the process for an ISV would look like? How long does it takes? ’0:25:40 What are you most proud of from your work at Carahsoft? ’0:26:59 What’s your team working on, in. regards to the Salesforce ecosystem? Resources: E-maill: salesforce@carahsoft.com Website: https://www.carahsoft.com/  Bethany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bethany-blackwell-8a3b5016/