Icons of DC Area Real Estate

Bio Matt Nicholson is Executive Vice President of Investments and Development for the Mid-Atlantic region at Lincoln Property Company, with over 18 years of commercial real estate experience and more than $20 billion in executed capital markets activity. A DC-area native raised in Annapolis, he attended the Severn School before earning a BA in Economics from Dartmouth College in 2005, where he played Division I lacrosse. He later earned an MBA in Finance from Georgetown University's McDonough School of Business in 2013 and serves as a Board Member for Georgetown's Steers Global Real Assets Center. Nicholson began his career as a paralegal at White & Case before moving into agency lending at Deutsche Bank Berkshire Mortgage, then joined HFF as an analyst in 2007. Following HFF's 2019 acquisition by JLL, he became Senior Managing Director co-leading the DC Office Investment Advisory Team. In March 2025, he joined Lincoln Property Company to lead investments, acquisitions, and development across the DMV corridor. The Leap to Lincoln Property Company [00:03:10] Matt discusses his early 2025 transition to Lincoln Property Company (LPC), where he oversees 700+ professionals, a 65-million-square-foot management portfolio, and 30 million square feet of leasing. He details LPC's 60-year history and partnership culture, and how the 2023 sale of its residential division (now Willow Bridge) and the Stonepoint Capital transaction cleared internal conflicts — enabling the commercial team to build an 18,000-unit multifamily pipeline. Roots of Resilience: Family, Loss & Work Ethic [00:13:30] Growing up in Annapolis, Matt lost his father at 10 and his mother 14 years later. He credits his drive to the courage of his late parents, the Depression-era grit of his grandparents, and his stepfather's relentless dedication — traveling globally for Micros Systems while raising Matt and his three younger brothers. The Defenseman's Playbook: Dartmouth Lacrosse to Real Estate [00:18:00] Following his father and uncle, Matt played Division I lacrosse at Dartmouth. Overcoming two knee injuries and a coaching change taught him that success means staying in the fight for your teammates. He explains how playing defense shaped his professional mindset — viewing complex capital stacks and risk mitigation through a tactical, strategic lens. Ethical Leadership & Fearless Effort [00:32:30] Matt shares his philosophy of "contagious light" — never asking his team to do something he wouldn't do himself. In institutional real estate, he argues that unwavering honesty and treating partners like teammates is bulletproof long-term strategy, especially during market resets and corrections. Navigating the Capital Stack & The Power of Reps [00:37:00] After stints as a paralegal and in agency lending, a family friend's career roadmap steered Matt toward capital markets. Starting at HFF just before the GFC, he built expertise through high transaction volume and a part-time Georgetown MBA. His core advice: prioritize "reps and fast pace" — stack learning experiences by underwriting and evaluating as many deals as possible early on. Market Outlook: DC Distress & Structural Demand [01:13:58] With DC office vacancy around 18.5%, Matt breaks down the market's bifurcation: top-tier law firms are driving Trophy asset demand while 1980s-vintage product struggles. He details Lincoln's strategy of chasing "structural demand" — infill logistics in the Baltimore-Washington corridor, medical office, and Northern Virginia's data center boom — and addresses the regional impact of federal workforce reductions from DOGE. Life Beyond the Deal: Fatherhood, Mentorship & Giving Back [01:31:30] Father of four boys, Matt coaches youth lacrosse and prioritizes weekend family time. He discusses mentoring the next generation through the ULI Mentorship pr...

Bio Patrick "Paddy" Weeks is co-author of The New Science of Hiring and VP of Operations at Tribunus Health. His career spans Marine Corps advisor teams in Afghanistan, Big Four consulting at Ernst & Young, and launching Sonder's DC market from Series B to 45 global markets and 2,000 employees. A Grove City College graduate and UVA Darden MBA, Patrick has spent five years synthesizing academic research on hiring into a practical framework for business leaders. The Blank Sheet of Paper Problem [2:58–7:00] Finance, operations, and economics are taught as sciences — but hiring is treated as art. Patrick's MBA sparked the question: where is the science of selection? That gap launched a years-long research obsession and ultimately, the book. From Midwest to Marine Corps [8:08–18:30] A soul-crushing Wall Street internship sent Patrick toward the Marines. Leading 20-man advisor teams through 125 convoys in Afghanistan taught him that pedigree matters far less than performance — a lesson that shaped every hire he'd ever make. Military to Civilian – The Career Jungle Gym [18:31–23:49] The transition from machine gun convoys to an E&Y cubicle was jarring. Patrick shares why he views careers less as ladders and more as jungle gyms — and how the GI Bill, a Darden MBA, and strategic "attribute swapping" helped him find his fit. Scaling Sonder – The Rocket Ship [31:21–40:55] As Sonder's first DC hire, Patrick scaled from 200 to 2,000 employees across 45 markets. He reveals what broke first (processes, always), what he hired for (high agency, low ego), and how a non-traditional banking hire became one of his best decisions. The Firing That Scarred Him [47:13–50:32] Patrick opens his book with his worst professional moment: terminating a new hire just three weeks in. He ignored his gut, deferred to group consensus, and paid the price. It became the catalyst for learning the actual science of selection. Proactive Personality & The Hustle Metric [1:02:45–1:10:16] For brokerage, BD, and PM roles, Conscientiousness is overrated. Proactive Personality — testable in a four-minute questionnaire — is the real predictor of who takes initiative without being told. Patrick explains why it's the moneyball metric real estate firms are missing. Time Kills Deals — In Hiring Too [1:18:47–1:25:44] Every day a process drags, you lose ~10% of your candidate pool. Decision accuracy tops out after 3–5 interviews. The "meet all the partners" gauntlet isn't rigor — it's diffused accountability. Integrity Testing, Simulations & AI Risks [1:10:42–1:18:21] Integrity testing delivers up to 4,000% ROI for on-site and PM roles. Work simulations outperform polished interviews. And training AI on past hiring data? You're just automating old biases — with new legal liability attached. Resources: The New Science of Hiring by Patrick Weeks & Joy Giles | thenewscienceofhiring.com Connect: LinkedIn – Patrick Weeks Notable Quotes: "I learned one of the hardest lessons in leadership: never hire someone you don't believe in, just because everyone else said yes. Because when the hammer drops, you're the one swinging it." "If you don't have a system, you are the system." "Real estate is complex... You're not buying someone's past, you're buying their future when you hire." "After the fourth or fifth interview, you're not even changing your mind on any candidates. You're just going through the motions." "One thing I saw and lived myself is that there's not really a career ladder and I think my conclusion is more like a career jungle gym. There are many different paths you can take, allowing for directional ch...

Bio Bill Norton serves on the Board of Directors for The Chevy Chase Land Company, chairing its Investment Committee. He retired from Northwestern Mutual Real Estate in 2015 after a 41-year career, including 22 years as Regional Director of the Washington D.C. office—the firm's largest, overseeing $9 billion across 13 states. Norton began in Northwestern's Detroit office in 1974 after earning his MBA from the University of Michigan. Known for construction-to-permanent loans and relationships with The Bozzuto Group, Boston Properties, and Macerich. Staunch advocate for "boots on the ground" philosophy. Key Chapters Introduction and Detroit Roots [00:00:00-00:04:30] Shared Detroit real estate history from 1979. Norton's fortuitous 1981 DC move, narrowly avoiding Detroit office closure. Capital Steward Role [00:04:45-00:09:00] Chairing Chevy Chase Land Company Investment Committee. Shifting from deal-making to oversight, staying big picture focused. Boots on the Ground Philosophy [00:09:00-00:15:00] Real estate remains physical. Truck terminal story where photos deceived but site visit revealed truth, proving digital data can't replace inspection. Childhood and Education [00:15:30-00:22:00] One of eight children in Elmira, NY. 1972 flood devastation led to Michigan MBA scholarship. Early Underwriting Era [00:22:10-00:29:30] Green spreadsheets, HP-12C calculators, dial-up connections, rotating fax machines. Pre-computer institutional real estate. High-Interest Rate Crisis [00:29:45-00:38:00] "Disintermediation" when rates soared. Northwestern out of market 18 months, merged equity/mortgage groups. Building DC's Largest Office [00:38:20-00:46:00] 22-year Regional Director tenure. Strategy: repeat business with trusted partners versus chasing deals. Legendary Partnerships [00:46:15-00:55:30] First Bozzuto joint venture at Vienna Metro. $750M Tysons Corner financing with Macerich/Alaska Permanent Fund. Early 90s Survival [00:55:40-01:05:00] "Stay Alive to '95" mentality. Working with Boston Properties, Charles E. Smith during turbulent years. Office Conversions Reality [01:05:10-01:15:00] Skepticism on widespread conversions. Park and Ford success story. Wilco's 20th & L project. Floorplate/demand challenges. Creative Deal Structures [01:15:00-01:30:00] Construction-permanent loans. Jersey City condo conversion. Second mortgage participations. Rate lock stories and relationship banking. Working with Developers [01:30:00-01:45:00] Bozzuto relationship evolution. Fountains and free libraries. Julie Smith property management brilliance. Jersey City management deal. Tysons Corner Deep Dive [01:37:00-01:42:00] Ted Lerner ground lease history. Macerich/Alaska partnership. Cross-easements complexity. Boston's most complicated deal. Data Centers and Land Values [01:27:00-01:35:00] Lerner's Gainesville parcel: $300-400M for data center use. Technology risk concerns. Northern Virginia valuations. Small nuclear power questions. Today's Bifurcated Market [01:33:00-01:40:00] Flight to quality. $100 triple-net new construction versus $40 older space. Mixed-use future. Trophy malls versus everything else. AI and Human Judgment [01:43:00-01:50:00] AI's underwriting potential. The irreplaceable: understanding nuances, feeling properties, gut instincts. Wilson building example—smell, sound, presence matter. Next Generation Wisdom [01:50:00-01:55:00] Learn tools: AI, finance, construction. But interpersonal skills trump everything. Join organizations. Maintain relationships. Avoid burning bridges. Reclaiming Humanity [01:55:00-01:57:00] Billboard message: "Let's reclaim our humanity. Let's be truthful." Gratitude for 41-year career built on trust.

Bio: Executive VP of Acquisitions and Development and part-owner at EYA. MBA from Wharton, Environmental Psychology training from Cornell. Led Pike & Rose development at Federal Realty before joining EYA to continue Bob Youngentob's vision. EYA's Evolution [00:00:01-00:06:31]: Goldman became EVP when he and partners became part-owners. Recent passing of Founder Bob Youngentob, who created sustainable long-term transition plan five years before illness. Goldman, Jack Lester, Akash Thakkar, and McLean Quinn are four of five owners. Time split: 1/3 acquisitions, rest development, focusing on vision, economic viability, and implementation. Core business remains townhomes (3-10 acre sites with high entitlement barriers), but dramatically expanded into commercial mixed-use, master planning, and substantial multifamily practice over 15 years. Origin & Education [00:09:34-00:23:45]: Grew up in Suffern, NY in economically unstable household with gambling father (Atlantic City trips as "vacations"). Turned to drawing/sketching houses as outlet and coping mechanism. Early hotel exposure sparked design fascination. Attended Cornell's Design Environmental Analysis program combining interior architecture with Environmental Psychology—studying how spaces psychologically affect people (McDonald's loud, hard-seated quick-turnover design vs. fine dining comfort). Small 11-person cohort provided mentorship and stability. Career Journey [00:23:45-00:35:48]: BBGM architecture firm → Mandarin Hotel competition (Tishman Speyer) loss convinced him developers drive key decisions → Russian Tea Room $30M renovation as VP of Design at 26 under perfectionist Warner LeRoy (briefly fired, then brought back with scholarship) → Wharton MBA → Tishman Speyer → Holiday Corp → Federal Realty. Advice for young professionals: Get lots of "reps" on different projects early. Leverage your strengths while staying multidisciplinary enough to ask right questions. Be bold, take calculated risks, "go first"—don't wait for permission. Pike & Rose [00:44:48-01:13:01]: Led Federal Realty's 24-acre Mid-Pike Plaza transformation (original Toys R Us site). Massive entitlement: 29M sq ft approved required 80+ community meetings in one year. Hired political organizers (Dewey Square) to combat opposition and build support through polling and targeted outreach. 2008 recession required phased approach with interim and ultimate plans. Collaboration with Don Wood, Street Works, Sandy Clinton, Paula Reese balanced vision with economics using Federal Realty's corporate debt advantage. Key insight: Retail knowledge and street-level activity are foundation for best mixed-use projects. Created Project Visioning Committee (PVC) meeting bi-weekly for Bob Youngentob knowledge transfer to next generation, ensuring design rigor. Goldman frequently asks "What would Bob do?" Key EYA Projects [01:18:55-02:37:01]: Montgomery Row: IBM office-to-residential in Rock Spring Park office park. Strathmore Square: Holy Cross Seminary partnership, first geothermal trial. McMillan Reservoir: 15-year effort with JAIR Lynch/Trammell Crow, city handled historic sand filtration restoration, 20-30% affordable housing, overcame legal challenges from external opponents. Graham Park Plaza: Loehman's Plaza retail conversion to attainable smaller townhomes (14-foot units at $600-650K). Robinson Landing: High-end Old Town Alexandria waterfront condos ($1,000+/sq ft), became largest archaeological dig on Eastern Seaboard after discovering three Revolutionary War ships—14-month work stoppage, $7M+ archaeology costs. Providence Reimagined: 25-acre hospital site requiring $30M demolition and complex utility replacement for operating medical office buildings. Competitive Edge: In-house construction company provides pricing structure competitors lack. Willing to ta...

Bio Jason Bonnet is Chief Development Officer at Essen, a next-generation development firm. Previously led East Coast Commercial Development for Brookfield Properties ($7B pipeline) and Forest City Realty Trust. Career spans $5B+ development: 4,000+ multifamily units, 1M sf office, 500K+ sf retail. Started Bonnet Development post-UNC. USC MRed, Harvard Business School alumnus. Key Discussion Points [00:00:09-00:04:24] Introduction: Background with Forest City, Brookfield, founding Esen. [00:04:59-00:09:33] Esen Overview: Team of former Forest City/Brookfield executives. Large-scale mixed-use focus, 5,000+ unit pipeline across NY metro, Southeast, Midwest. Lead project: $1.5B Jersey City waterfront (2-3% vacancy, strong demand, Manhattan views, PATH access). [00:09:55-00:14:01] Early Life: Silver Spring upbringing on Queen Anne's Drive. Father: electrical subcontractor (construction exposure). Mother: Fortune 100 HR executive (negotiation skills). Film production aspirations (Stanley Kubrick) led to real estate. Springbrook High School, UNC. [00:17:00-00:23:42] Bonnet Development & Pivot: Started company post-dot-com doing Shaw rowhouse conversions (sub-$2M projects). Partnership accounting dispute taught fiduciary responsibility, when to settle vs. litigate. ULI mentorship (Marcel Acosta) led to USC MRed for institutional scale jump. [00:31:57-00:44:17] Forest City & The Yards: Joined 2011 via mentors Stan Ross, Brian Jones. Debby Ratner Salzberg valued entrepreneurial spirit. 48-acre Southeast DC mixed-use. P4 partnership (DC, GSA, Navy). Eleanor Holmes Norton championed waterfront access. Complex brownfield remediation - Forest City as government agent. Lessons: team collaboration, coalesced vision, passion. DC renaissance period - competitive but collegial, rising tide lifts all boats. [00:48:17-00:57:26] Yards Development Strategy: Creating neighborhood not just place. Flexible entitlements framework. Retail strategy: Blue Jacket Brewery opened before Harris Teeter - people knew brewery before "The Yards" name. Chef Michael White's Osteria Morini gave legitimacy. Ice Cream Jubilee (attorney turned businesswoman) first location. Attention to detail, patience choosing tenant partners, commitment to long-term success. Retail foundation critical - most complex, detail-oriented real estate sector. [00:59:18-01:06:43] San Francisco Projects: Led 5M (Fifth & Mission) and Pier 70 after Brookfield acquisition. Biggest difference: intense NIMBYism - sometimes no win-win possible. CEQA (California Environmental Quality Act) extends entitlements 8-10 years via traffic study challenges. 5M took 10+ years. Pier 70: fastest California entitlement approval in history via transparency, over-communication, hundreds of community meetings, port authority partnership alignment. [01:09:18-01:13:50] Scale & Affordability Philosophy: Density builds economy of scale, feeds project economics. More eyes on the ground plane = vibrancy,...

BIORonnie Gibbons is the Senior Vice President of Development at Carmel Partners, where he leads the DC region for development and investments. His responsibilities encompass sourcing new opportunities, evaluating market feasibility, structuring transactions, and overseeing the entire execution process, while also supporting asset management and collaborating closely with the construction team. Carmel Partners, a vertically integrated firm, specializes in development, asset management, investments, and self-performing construction. With over 15 years of experience in multi-family residential, mixed-use, retail, and commercial development, Ronnie brings extensive expertise. He holds a Master's degree in Real Estate from Georgetown University (with a finance focus) and a Bachelor of Science in Economics from the University of Maryland. Before joining Carmel Partners in 2018, Ronnie served as Development Director at Monument Realty and held various roles at Foulger-Pratt, including superintendent and project manager on projects such as the Silver Spring Transit Center. He began his career building houses for Ryan Homes. Ronnie has spearheaded significant projects like the Annex on 12th conversion in downtown Washington and the Wardman Park development, a massive 867-unit project that repurposed a bankrupt hotel site. His approach to development, influenced by his blue-collar upbringing, emphasizes risk mitigation, feasibility, and considering the end-user. He is also passionate about sustainable building practices. Key Discussion Points Current Role [7:35-9:09] Leads DC development and investments for Carmel Partners Focuses on pursuits: sourcing opportunities, evaluating deals Both development and value-add acquisitions Works closely with vertically integrated construction team Background Journey [9:20-17:00] Born/raised Frederick, MD - fourth generation Father: 40-year maintenance worker at Parkside condos in Bethesda Mother: ran home daycare First job at 14: collecting newspapers...

BioLen Forkas is founder/CEO of Milestone Towers, a digital infrastructure company building wireless towers on public lands for over 25 years. Adventure athlete who completed the Seven Summits (becoming 5th oldest globally), Race Across America winner, and non-profit founder of Hopecam.org, a charity supporting children with cancer. Author of leadership books drawing from extreme sports experiences.Key Discussion PointsEverest Achievement & 2023 Failure Lessons [0:50-16:00]Key Moment: Len Forkas completed the Seven Summits after a 2023 Everest failure due to pulmonary complications Business Lesson: Deconstructing every decision that led to the failure and meticulous preparation are crucial. Forkas dedicated a year to preparation, including weightlifting, trekking with a 50-lb pack, climbing in Indonesia & Ecuador and hypoxic sleep trainingCrevasse Incident & Systems Validation [33:00-36:00]Key Moment: After a successful summit, Forkas fell into a 70-foot crevasse at 27,000 feet while descending to the South Col.Business Lesson: The importance of safety systems and meticulous preparation. His polar expedition training saved his life.Hopecam Growth & Impact [36:00-51:00]Key Moment: Hopecam doubled its applications from 500 to 1,000 children annually post-COVID and grew hospital partnerships from 60 to 180 in five years. 70% of Hopecam students attend title one schools. Business Lesson: Viewing sponsors as "investors" in mental health outcomes created by the nonprofit rather than as a traditional donors. Milestone Towers Business Evolution [72:00-95:00]Key Moment: Milestone Towers rebranded from Milestone Communications to reflect its real estate asset focus Business Lesson: Strategic niche and barriers to entry protect competitive advantage. AI is optimizing existing equipment efficiency, and use of 5G networks has not hit full stride. Difficult to entitle locations have the highest value for both the tower owner and wireless carriers. Leadership Philosophy [114:00-125:00]Key Moment: Len Forkas' son Matt joined the company after five years of external experience 15.Business Lesson: Trust and preparation are essential for success in both business and extreme sports. Letting team members own and solve problems is crucialNext challenge: North Pole expedition, but prioritizing family and team presence for now. RESOURCES:https://www.lenforkas.com/https://coeenterprises.com/podcast/len-forkas-renaissance-man-33/What Spins The Wheel: https://www.amazon.com/What-Spins-Wheel-Leadership-Lessons/dp/0996096906?sr=8-2Cold Hard Truth: https://www.amazon.com/Cold-Hard-Truth-Special-Color-ebook/dp/B09VDY69FC?sr=8-1https://www.hopecam.org/https://youtu.be/D6qjcwEVQYc

Bio Evan Regan-Levine is Chief Strategy Officer at JBG Smith, shaping investment approaches through data analytics, strategic initiatives, and investor relations. Key role in National Landing transformation and Amazon HQ2. Previously JLL research analyst and Monday Properties Associate. Georgetown Political Science graduate who pivoted from law school track to real estate after art professor suggested architecture. Key Discussion Points Strategic Priorities [3:06-8:35] National Landing transformation beyond Amazon: residential, retail, infrastructure Capital allocation focus: maximizing NAV per share for JBGS, targeted acquisitions Leveraging permanent capital as public company vs. fund life cycles Career Journey [8:47-32:23] Academic family: law professor father, first-grade teacher mother Georgetown, planned law school until real estate internship in Pittsburgh JLL research exposed him to all verticals: investment sales, leasing, development In 2013, he joined JBG as research associate working for Matt Kelly Investment committee exposure from day one with industry veterans Real Estate Philosophy [20:08-26:00] Success requires: communication, analytics, design Design undervalued but critical - example: functional dryer vents vs. beautiful facades Market research informs decisions - Amazon focus groups changed architecture Multifamily as consumer product requiring research like cars/phones Hospitality mindset essential across all property types Crystal Park One [$40M Repositioning] [43:19-52:53] 300-person conference center ("hotel ballroom without hotel") Ground floor activation with street engagement JLL operates conference, Episcope handles Food & Beverage Aviation theme: Constellation café, Altitude vinyl wine bar Nooks Works partnership for classified meeting space National Landing Strategy [37:03-43:00] "Regional mall" approach with anchors: Pentagon, Amazon (8K today, up to 38K), Virginia Tech Demolished excess office, tripled street retail, added multifamily

Bio: James Barlia is Executive Director of Station DC, a private members club for Frontier Tech innovators, investors, and policy makers advancing American national interest. Previously VP at Revolution's Rise of the Rest Seed Fund (Steve Case) investing in startups outside traditional tech hubs. Earlier worked at Greenspring Associates in fund of funds/impact VC. DC native, Tulane graduate. Key Discussion Points Station DC Overview [1:11-3:00] Private members club for frontier tech in DC 13,000 sq ft space in Union Market for work, meetings, events Mission: Ensure American tech leadership endures with DC at forefront Focus on economic development, business attraction, diversification from federal government Background & Journey [3:49-10:07] Influenced by entrepreneur father's renewable energy work Failed toothpaste startup in high school led to meeting angel investor Internship at 1776 DC tech incubator exposed him to impactful founders Learned "Rise of the Rest" thesis at Greenspring before joining Revolution Venture Insights [11:02-17:00] Innovation exists everywhere, not just traditional hubs Place creates competitive advantage through network effects Key founder qualities: intrinsic motivation, unique insights, relentless effort Evaluation requires time, multiple meetings, references Market Observations SVB Collapse [21:05-25:02]: Created resilience, highlighted treasury management importance Amazon HQ2 [26:10-27:00]: Real impact on talent/real estate but job numbers lower than marketed DC Commercial Real Estate [29:10-34:00]: Tech startups need flexible office space; landlords should offer flexibility and engage directly with founders DC Tech Ecosystem [40:08-43:00] Influx driven by critical sectors: space, energy, synthetic biology, AI, defense Tech companies view DC as ally, not adversary Has required talent, customers (federal gov't, Fortune 500), knowledge, capital Major VC firms establishing DC satellite offices Emerging Trends [63:00-67:00] Beyond AI: data centers, space economy, robotics, autonomy, defense systems. Frontier tech companies need dollars, talent, customers, capital - often found in DC. Advice for Young Professionals [69:00-95:00]

BIO Owen Billman is the President of Blake Real Estate, managing a 2.5 million sq ft portfolio and eight companies. He previously facilitated over $1 billion in CRE transactions and is a speaker at universities and corporations. Awarded CREBA's 2014 Leasing Transaction of the Year and BISNOW's Top 35 under 35. He chairs the American Heart Association's Greater Washington Region, is a board member of the KCNT1 Epilepsy Foundation, and co-founded the Junior Council supporting Children's National Health System. REVISED SHOW NOTES [0:00-1:38] Introduction and Guest: John Coe introduces the "Icons of DC Area Real Estate" podcast and its partnership with Iconic Journey in CRE. Owen Billman, President of Blake Real Estate and Chair of the Golden Triangle BID, is welcomed. His career, Blake’s strategies, and DC's future are discussed. [1:38-5:11] Owen's Role at Blake: Owen describes his role, focusing on portfolio performance and managing leasing, property management, and construction. He mentions growing third-party management while emphasizing the core portfolio. [5:11-9:42] Background: Owen shares his upbringing in rural Southern Maryland and working at his father's hardware store, learning customer service and work ethic. [9:42-14:28] University: Owen recounts his time at the University of Maryland, including the impact of 9/11, and deciding to stay in the DC area. [14:28-22:14] Starting at Co-Star: Owen details his entry-level job at Co-Star, learning about CRE data collection and analysis. [22:14-27:02] Market and Blake: Owen reflects on market trends during the Global Financial Crisis and joining Blake in 2010. [27:02-36:53] Blake's Evolution and Lease Structure: Owen describes learning Blake's unique cash flow model and lease structure. He explains the pros and cons vs. market standards. [36:53-44:06] Leadership and Rollup Strategy: Owen discusses his leadership transition and Blake's recent rollup strategy to consolidate ownership and flexibility. [44:06-52:24] Market Adaptability: Owen reflects on Blake’s adaptability during the pandemic, distressed assets, and retailer impact. He shares Blake’s occupancy rate and return to the office. [52:24-61:44] GSA and Golden Triangle BID: Owen discusses Blake’s GSA leasing experience and his role as Chair of the Golden Triangle BID, advocating for downtown revitalization. [61:44-78:21] DC's Future: Owen addresses "why DC?" in the context of remote work and strategies to attract new industries, create a 24/7 city, and potential projects. [78:21-93:23] Change Catalysts: Owen highlights past catalysts for DC's development and the need for a catalyst employer, a new pitch beyond government, and expresses optimism. [93:23-102:56] John Coe and Community: John Coe discusses Iconic Journey in CRE. Owen shares advice for young professionals and talks about Blake's culture and tech adoption. [102:56-111:22] Heart Association and Initiatives: Owen discusses the American Heart Association and Blake's initiatives, including collaborative space and flexible work.

Bio As the founder of Real Estate Financial Modeling (REFM), Bruce Kirsch has trained thousands of students and professionals around the world in Excel-based projection analysis. In addition, REFM’s self-study products, Excel-based templates and its Valuate® property valuation and investment analysis software are used by more than 100,000 professionals. Mr. Kirsch’s firm has assisted with modeling for the raising of billions of dollars of equity and debt for individual property acquisitions and developments, as well as for major mixed-use projects and private equity funds. Mr. Kirsch has also maintained a blog on real estate financial modeling, Model for Success, authoring more than 500 posts, and he is the co-author of Real Estate Finance and Investments: Risks and Opportunities, along with Dr. Peter Linneman. Mr. Kirsch began his real estate career at CB Richard Ellis, where he marketed highrise New York City office buildings for re-development in the Midtown Manhattan Investment Properties Institutional Group. After CBRE, Mr. Kirsch was recruited to lead acquisitions at Metropolis Development Company, and later joined The Clarett Group, a programmatic development partner of Prudential. While at The Clarett Group, Mr. Kirsch was responsible for making development site recommendations for office, condominium and multi-family properties in the greater Washington, D.C. metropolitan area. In addition, Mr. Kirsch had significant day-to-day project management responsibilities for the entitlement, financing and marketing of the company’s existing D.C.-area development portfolio. Mr. Kirsch holds an MBA in Real Estate from The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, where he was awarded the Benjamin Franklin Kahn/Washington Real Estate Investment Trust Award for academic excellence. Prior to Wharton, Mr. Kirsch performed quantitative equity research on the technology sector at The Capital Group Companies. Mr. Kirsch served as an Adjunct Faculty member in real estate finance at Georgetown University School of Continuing Studies. Mr. Kirsch graduated with a BA in Communication from Stanford University. Show Notes Introduction and Podcast Format Introduction of Bruce Kirsch and the podcast format, including a traditional interview followed by a case study and discussion of AI tools. (2:40) Bruce Kirsch and REFM Bruce Kirsch’s current role as the founder of REFM (Real Estate Financial Modeling), his 17-year career helping others with financial modeling in Excel, and his various activities including consulting, training, coaching, and creating tools (5:45) Early Life and Career Path Bruce Kirsch’s upbringing on Long Island and early influences from his father (a civil engineer) and mother (an interior designer), as well as his childhood fascination with the Manhattan skyline (8:30) Bruce Kirsch’s pursuit of a

Bio Jessie C. Barter founded Charger Ventures (“Charger”), a multifamily investment management platform in the fall of 2018, and Spark Living, the portfolio’s brand, in the fall of 2020. Through Q125, Charger has acquired ~3,000 apartments ($730m AUM) in MA, MD, VA, WV, and CT. Prior to Charger, Jessie was a Managing Director – Acquisitions with Mill Creek Residential Trust and Senior Director of Investments at AvalonBay Communities. Ms. Barter is a director on the National Board for the non-profit Entryways (fka Shelters for Shutters). In 2022, Charger Ventures was drafted into National Multi-Housing Council’s (NMHC) inaugural Summit Advisory Committee’s Program for emerging managers. She is Vice Chair of the Membership Engagement Committee, member of the Finance Committee, and past Vice Chair of NMHC’s Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity Committee. Ms. Barter is a member of ULI’s Multi-Family Council Blue flight and the Young President’s Organization (YPO). Ms. Barter holds a Masters of Business Administration from Darden Graduate School of Business Administration at the University of Virginia and a Bachelor of Science in Business Administration from Georgetown University. She lives in Bethesda, MD. Show Notes Introduction and Current Role Introduction (00:03:00) John Coe overviews the interview with Jessie Welcome (00:04:30) Introduction of Jessie Barter and her role in Charger Ventures. Current Role at Charger Ventures (00:04:50) Jessie discusses her focus on deal flow and equity partnerships. Daily Operations (00:05:10) Description of Jessie’s typical day, emphasizing sourcing deals and equity. Asset Management Oversight (00:05:20) Jessie mentions her involvement in asset management alongside a strong partner. Differentiating Approach in a Competitive Market (00:05:50) Jessie explains their off-market sourcing strategy and rigorous asset management. Origins, Education and First Job Origin Story (00:07:30) Jessie shares her background growing up in Montgomery County, MD. Family Influence on Career Choices (00:08:00) Discussion on her family’s encouragement to pursue real estate over medicine. Lessons from Parents (00:08:50) Jessie reflects on adaptability and attention to detail learned from her parents. Father’s MBA Journey (00:09:00) Insight into her father’s decision to pursue an MBA while practicing medicine. Mother’s Influence (00:10:40) Jessie describes her mother’s strong attention to detail and its impact on her. College Experience at Georgetown (00:11:21) <...