It Gets Late Early

The American career stability crisis is real, and it’s not a coincidence. We’re seeing a massive shift in how employers view workers, and it’s creating a talent drain that could fundamentally change the future of work. In this episode, I’m pulling back the curtain on a systemic issue that’s been building for years, and it’s more than just AI layoffs.Here’s what’s happening: The U.S. government tracks your financial activity anywhere on the planet, but they won’t release how many Americans are leaving. They know, but they don’t want you to know. Meanwhile, other countries like Germany, the Netherlands, and Canada are actively recruiting skilled American workers with tax breaks and fast-track visas. These countries are offering real alternatives, and people are listening–and leaving.I’ll show you how the U.S. job market has hit a breaking point, and why more and more experienced workers are seeking opportunities abroad. But it’s not just about burnout. American institutions are pushing workers out through AI layoffs, forcing full-time employees into contractor roles, and offering "return-to-office" mandates that even C-suite executives see as a strategy to make people quit.If you’re feeling like the system isn’t working for you anymore, you’re not alone. The career stability crisis didn’t start with AI, and it won’t end with the next earnings report. But we need to start seeing the system for what it is and push back against the terms.These are the Instagram posts I mentioned:-https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUZpCtKCatq/?igsh=MWtzYXpiM3F6YWt0Mg%3D%3D-https://www.instagram.com/reel/DURjLRrkhsB/?igsh=d3F2bmNtbHkwbmpyIn This Episode:- Why Americans are looking for job opportunities abroad- Burnout hits a 6-year high: The state of worker wellbeing in the U.S.- Why the career stability crisis isn’t a coincidence- How Germany, the Netherlands, & Canada are actively recruiting American talent- How the U.S. government tracks your money, but not your movement- The institutional knowledge loss as a result of companies pushing out experienced workersAnd much more!Resources:-Get Corporate-level Health Coverage for Solopreneurs with a 50% Discount for 1st Three Months - https://essentlcreator.com/maureenCheck the links below for information on opportunities to work abroad: -https://www.workinfinland.com/en/open-jobs/?category=ict-https://www.nyidanmark.dk/de-DE/You-want-to-apply/Work/Positive-List-Higher-Education-https://careers.state-of-denmark.com/?hsCtaAttrib=210799380565Connect with Maureen Wiley Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: @maureenwclough - https://www.instagram.com/maureenwclough-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1Affiliate Disclaimer:Hey there! Just a quick heads-up — some of the links we share in our show notes, YouTube videos, or episodes might be affiliate links. That means if you click on one and make a purchase, we might earn a small commission (at no extra cost to you).We only shout out products, tools, or services we’ve actually tried, love, or think you’ll find genuinely useful. Still, it’s always a good idea to do your own homework before buying anything.Using these links helps support the show and keeps It Gets Late Early rolling — so thanks a ton for being part of the community!

You may have seen companies like Pinterest and Amazon cutting thousands of jobs in the name of "AI transformation." But here's the catch: these layoffs are a calculated reset, not a technological revolution. It’s all about greed disguised as progress.In this episode, I dive into the AI-driven layoffs that are sweeping across the job market and how these "innovations" are actually part of a much bigger strategy. I break down how these tech giants are using AI as cover to slash salaries, eliminate experienced workers, and reset the market for a younger, cheaper workforce. We’re not talking about companies simply streamlining their operations. This is a systemic dismantling of worker leverage and a rollback of the progress workers made during the pandemic.You’ll hear about the cold, hard truth behind these so-called "AI efficiencies" and why, as much as companies push the narrative, the truth is that AI is far from delivering the results they claim. AI is not necessarily replacing jobs, but it’s being used to cut costs while executives rake in record pay.This episode addresses what’s really happening with AI layoffs, what it means for your future job security, and how we can collectively push back.In This Episode:-AI-driven efficiency and its consequences on workers-How AI narratives mask deeper corporate greed-Why this is a systemic issue and not just a tech problem-The new reality for those who were laid off-Steps to push back against AI-driven layoffs and reset salary expectations-A story to illustrate what's happeningAnd much more!Resources:-Get Corporate-level Health Coverage for Solopreneurs with a 50% Discount for 1st Three Months - https://essentlcreator.com/maureen-MIT study shatters AI hype: 95% of generative AI projects are failing, sparking tech bubble jitters - https://www.forbes.com/sites/cindyrodriguezconstable/2026/02/27/most-ai-investments-are-failing-the--problem-isnt-the-technology/-New Workday Research: Companies Are Leaving AI Gains on the Table - https://investor.workday.com/news-and-events/press-releases/news-details/2026/New-Workday-Research-Companies-Are-Leaving-AI-Gains-on-the-Table/-Predictions 2026: The Workforce Muddles Through Ambient Disruption - https://www.forrester.com/blogs/future-of-work-predictions-2026-whats-coming-for-work-and-the-workforce/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: @maureenwclough - https://www.instagram.com/maureenwclough-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1Affiliate Disclaimer:Hey there! Just a quick heads-up — some of the links we share in our show notes, YouTube videos, or episodes might be affiliate links. That means if you click on one and make a purchase, we might earn a small commission (at no extra cost to you).We only shout out products, tools, or services we’ve actually tried, love, or think you’ll find genuinely useful. Still, it’s always a good idea to do your own homework before buying anything.Using these links helps support the show and keeps It Gets Late Early rolling — so thanks a ton for being part of the community!

Tech isn’t just in a downturn. It’s in the midst of a full-blown identity crisis. As layoffs, ageism, and AI reshape the workforce overnight, Brian Pulliam joins me to break down what’s actually happening behind the scenes… and what mid-career professionals must do to stay competitive.Brian, a former tech leader who spent 23 years at companies like Microsoft, Zillow, and Coinbase, joins me to talk about a controversial topic. With tech experiencing year-after-year meltdowns, Brian offers a brutally honest look at whether anyone should still pursue a tech career in 2025–2026.He breaks down why the job market feels broken, why entry-level roles are disappearing, and how AI is replacing the very apprentice-level opportunities that used to grow workers into senior talent. He also explains why employers are pulling back on long-term investment, what the real supply-and-demand curve looks like, and why ageism is hitting harder and earlier than ever.We discuss strategies for standing out in an oversaturated market, how to approach salary discussions, and the mindset shifts every experienced employee needs to remain competitive in a chaotic and unpredictable hiring landscape.If you're feeling overwhelmed by tech layoffs, frustrated by age bias, or unsure how to pivot in today’s wild job market, this episode gives you clarity, direction, and a whole lot of real talk.Do you want Brian to help you navigate the tech job market or level up your career? Mention you heard him on It Gets Late Early and get 20% off any coaching package when you book through his site or connect via LinkedIn.In This Episode:-Should anyone go into tech in 2025–2026?-Brian's early work experience and tech background-Standing out in a saturated market-How oversupply affects both young and older workers-Navigating the salary question-Should you apply to a big company or a small one?-How Brian coaches people over 40And much more!Resources:-Get Business Protection and Health Coverage at Solopreneur-friendly Prices - https://essentlcreator.com/maureen-Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew -https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guideConnect with Brian Pulliam:-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briankpulliam/-Website: https://refactorcoaching.com/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: @maureenwclough - https://www.instagram.com/maureenwclough-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1Affiliate Disclaimer:Hey there! Just a quick heads-up — some of the links we share in our show notes, YouTube videos, or episodes might be affiliate links. That means if you click on one and make a purchase, we might earn a small commission (at no extra cost to you).We only shout out products, tools, or services we’ve actually tried, love, or think you’ll find genuinely useful. Still, it’s always a good idea to do your own homework before buying anything.Using these links helps support the show and keeps It Gets Late Early rolling — so thanks a ton for being part of the community!

Ever wondered why AI thinks you need to look younger? In this episode, Gretchen Andrew, a former Google employee turned artist, exposes the disturbing truth about how beauty filters are literally reshaping our faces—and our self-worth.We kick things off with Gretchen's bold pivot from Silicon Valley to the art world, where she's using robots, oil paint, and yes, glitter to reveal what beauty filters actually do to us. Her groundbreaking "FaceTune Portraits" physically apply AI beauty standards to paintings, creating violent scars and marks that show the hidden damage these "harmless" filters inflict on our identities.Gretchen breaks down the dirty secret of AI training data—how algorithms learn beauty from the most biased corners of the internet and create a feedback loop that makes everyone chase the same impossible standard. Even Miss Universe contestants aren't "good enough" for AI filters, and men in their 50s are rescheduling meetings just to use Zoom's "touch up my appearance" feature!From Hollywood actresses getting the same face-altering procedures to look good on small screens, to the shocking reality that social media may have incentivized us to provide facial recognition data for free, this conversation will change how you see every filter, every app, and every "enhanced" photo you encounter.Whether you're tired of the algorithmic beauty trap or just want to understand why everyone's starting to look the same, this episode is essential listening. Gretchen's insights will make you question everything about digital beauty—and maybe even inspire you to embrace what makes you uniquely human.“The question is: Do you want to look old and like yourself, or do you want to look like everybody else and look younger?” ~ Gretchen AndrewIn This Episode:-Leaving Silicon Valley for art-AI vs. beauty standards-The homogenization of beauty-Gretchen's partnership with Andreessen Horowitz-The real story behind AI beauty filters-Ageism in the art and tech world-How Gretchen uses social media for her workAnd much more!Resources:-Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guideConnect with Gretchen Andrew:-Website: https://www.gretchenandrew.com/-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gretchen-andrew/-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gretchenandrew/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/

Meetings. Ugh. We’ve all been there, right? And the price tag is bigger than most people realize. We estimate that the cost to organizations of these unproductive meetings is approximately $259 billion in the United States and $64 billion in the United Kingdom for professional staff alone (LSE report). That’s a jaw-dropping drain on productivity—yet it’s largely preventable.In today’s episode of It Gets Late Early, I’m joined by Dr. Daniel Jolles, a behavioral scientist and psychologist at the London School of Economics, who’s back for his second appearance. Dr. Jolles and I go deep into the world of generational diversity in meetings, exploring how getting it right can significantly boost productivity and reduce wasted hours.We’re also tackling the elephant in the room: AI in the workplace. With organizations now mandating the use of AI, how can we, across all generations, navigate this technology without falling victim to bias or further exclusion?We cover the shocking stats about how unproductive meetings cost businesses billions each year and how companies can make sure that no one, especially older workers, gets left behind in the AI race.Trust me, this episode is a wake-up call. If you’re looking to fix your meetings, ensure inclusivity, and stay ahead in the AI-driven future, you don’t want to miss it.“We find that there's a huge lack of generational diversity happening in our meetings. Our research suggests that that's hurting productivity because there are diversity benefits to be gained by having voices from the younger and older employees present in meetings, especially when it comes to big-decision meetings.” ~ Dr. Daniel JollesIn This Episode:-Why employees are not that fond of meetings-The impact of generational diversity on meetings-The cost of unproductive meetings-AI’s potential to revolutionize the workplace-The impact of the proliferation of AI recording toolsAnd much more!Resources:-Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guide-LSE Report: When Generations Meet by Dr. Daniel Jolles and Dr. Grace Lordan - https://www.lse.ac.uk/tii/assets/documents/When-Generations-Meet.pdfConnect with Dr. Daniel Jolles:-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danieljolles/-Website: https://www.danieljolles.com/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/

Marketers love chasing Gen Z. But here’s the trillions-of-dollars blind spot:Gen X and Boomers control nearly 70% of U.S. disposable income and outspend younger generations in nearly every major category — alcohol, beauty, travel, finance, and more.So why are brands still ignoring them?In this episode, I sit down with Brent Rivard, founder and CEO of Geezer Creative, an agency built on a radical idea: the “forgotten generation” isn’t just relevant — they’re the growth engine brands are missing.We unpack how the ad industry’s obsession with youth culture has aged itself out of opportunity, what’s at stake for marketers, and how Gen X and Boomers are reshaping the creative economy.You’ll also hear shocking stats about how the industry treats its veterans, the challenges older professionals face in a rapidly evolving gig economy, and why AI is becoming a make-or-break skill for creative professionals of every generation.Because if brands keep underestimating us, that’s on them. But if we underestimate ourselves? That’s on us.The creative economy is shifting fast — from AI to the rise of the gig economy — and this conversation will give you a fresh (and dare I say slightly rebellious?) perspective on where your experience fits next.“The last thing the world needed was another ad agency, so we opened one. But we didn't just open one–we opened one that has a point of view.” ~ Brent RivardIn This Episode:-Ageism in the advertising industry-Why Gen X consumers are crucial for marketing success-Geezer Creative’s approach to Gen X-centered marketing-The advantage of intergenerational marketing teams-Adapting to the gig economy in the creative space-Shifting client priorities and how agencies can adapt-AI and its impact on the creative industry-Encouraging older professionals to embrace new opportunities-Creative solutions for dealing with layoffs and market shiftsAnd much more!Resources:-Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guide-The Gen X Career Meltdown - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/28/style/gen-x-creative-work.htmlConnect with Brent Rivard and Geezer Creative:-Brent Rivard LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-rivard-7ba8b37/-Geezer Creative LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/geezer-creative/-Website: https://www.geezercreative.com/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/

Losing a job is never easy, but what if it led to a more fulfilling path? Daniel Incandela, former CMO, opens up about the painful yet transformative experience of being fired in his 50s. In this episode, he shares the emotional toll it took, how he navigated the challenges, and the powerful lessons he learned along the way. Today, I sit down with my good friend, Daniel Incandela, who, like many of us, faced the harsh reality of burnout and being let go. His story is one of resilience and transformation. Despite the painful blow of being fired, Daniel reflects on how the experience helped him realign his priorities, focusing on family, health, and ultimately finding his path forward through consulting and creative work.We discuss the importance of reflection and accountability, even in the most challenging moments. Daniel’s journey sheds light on how career paths don’t always go as planned, and how the pressure to “do it all” can weigh heavily on us. From navigating ageism in a competitive job market to embracing AI as a necessary tool for today’s workforce, Daniel discusses how he’s finding purpose in his new role and working towards a future that aligns more with his values.If you’ve ever felt like your career took an unexpected turn, this episode is for you. Daniel’s story is a powerful reminder that we can find clarity even in moments of doubt.“I've been on this journey that I think I really needed in life, and it has helped me awaken from things I did not see.” ~ Daniel IncandelaIn This Episode:-Daniel’s transition from CMO to consultant-Embracing change and realizing what really matters-Leadership in the time of AI-The reality of getting fired in your 50s-Experiencing the immense benefits of slowing down-Looking ahead: the future of work in a gig economy-Why learning how to use AI is no longer optionalAnd much more!Resources:-Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guide-The Gen X Career Meltdown - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/28/style/gen-x-creative-work.htmlConnect with Daniel Incandela:-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielincandela/-Substack:https://substack.com/@danielincandela-Newsletter by Daniel Incandela - https://danielincandela.substack.com/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/

Is AI living up to the hype, or is it just another overblown bubble that’s gonna pop? In this episode, Stephen Klein, a 66-year-old AI founder who is challenging the status quo in the world of artificial intelligence, joins me to expose what he believes is the truth about AI, from inflated promises to the real potential it holds for augmenting human intelligence. Trust me, this is what you won’t be hearing in the headlines about AI. We jump into the much-hyped world of AI, and Stephen shares his no-holds-barred views on what’s happening (and why speaking out is making him enemies in Silicon Valley). We discuss how many companies are rushing to market with products that aren’t actually as groundbreaking as they claim, and how the industry itself often misleads us about AI’s capabilities for their own benefit, leading with scary headlines about how all of us are being laid off because of AI.Stephen doesn’t just talk about AI; he’s actively shaping its future. But he’s not just creating another automation tool. He’s building AI that truly augments human intelligence, and that’s where it gets interesting.Stephen’s company, Curiouser.AI, is different. It focuses on creating AI that enhances our creativity and critical thinking, things that the industry is currently sidelining in favor of quick fixes and efficiency. He challenges the corporate culture surrounding AI and explains how the industry needs to move away from pure automation and toward true collaboration between humans and machines.We also jump into the wild world of LinkedIn, where Stephen’s satirical posts challenge the hype surrounding AI and expose the industry’s biggest players. If you’ve been confused about what this AI thing is all about or what to do, swept up in the AI frenzy or have doubts about where the industry is headed, this conversation will give you some powerful insights into what’s really going on behind the scenes that you’re unlikely to find in the typical media coverage.If you want to hear more from Stephen, check out his LinkedIn for more satirical insights and join the conversation on the future of AI!“I think that artificial intelligence is the single greatest innovation–invention–in the history of humanity, and I couldn't be more optimistic about where it's going.” ~ Stephen KleinIn This Episode:-An AI founder at 66-Creating AI that augments human intelligence-The misconceptions around ageism in tech-The impact of curiosity-driven AI on human creativity-Why people should be careful when using AI-AI's role in the future of work -How to deal with fear-The future of AI in business and ethics-The power of LinkedIn as a platform for your causeAnd much more!Resources:-Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guideConnect with Stephen Klein:-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenbklein/-Website: https://curiouser.ai/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/

Let’s get real: hiring today is a mess. I’ve been there both as a candidate and as the interviewer who wasn’t properly trained. So, when I discovered Lorna Erickson and Victoria Gates, two women who are revolutionizing the corporate interviewing landscape, I knew we had to have them on the show.In this episode, we dive into the shocking state of interviews today - from the mundane but outdated, biased questions that are still being asked to the absolute trainwreck moments that are happening at the table. Like a hiring manager who thought it was a good idea to ask a candidate to sell a dirty old shoe, sort of a creative take on that age-old sales question, “sell me this pen.” Yeah, you’ll want to hear this story.But it’s not all doom and gloom! Lorna and Victoria share how they transitioned from the corporate world into entrepreneurship, using their combined expertise to help businesses and hiring managers learn how to conduct effective interviews without inadvertently violating the law (yes, asking about holiday plans to try to figure out if a candidate is a parent is illegal). They’ve been able to show incredible results for their clients, underscoring how getting the interview process right brings a massive, lasting impact. They’ve been there, and they’re showing others how to do it right.Of course, we can’t talk about interviewing without touching on ageism, something that has been a problem for both older and younger candidates. We discuss how unconscious bias shows up in interviews and how companies need to adopt a broader perspective. Spoiler alert: it’s not just about hiring people you can grab beers with.And the best part? They share their golden rule of interviewing, and trust me, if companies started following it, it would completely shift the hiring process. It’s about respect, balance, and ensuring you’re bringing in the right person, not just the most convenient one.Listen to the episode and let’s make the hiring process better, together. The future of work depends on it!“If it would be weird if a candidate did it to you, don't do it to them.” ~ Lorna Erickson (The Golden Rule of Interviewing)In This Episode:-Worst interview stories and candidate experiences  -Training hiring managers to interview better  -How Lorna and Victoria grew their online following-Unconscious bias and ageism during an interview-The golden rule for interviewers and the future of work-Fixing company culture, one hire at a time  And much more!Resources:-Expert Interviewers Training Services: https://expert-interviewers.mykajabi.com/training-servicesConnect with Lorna Erickson and Victoria Gates:-Website: https://expertinterviewers.com/-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/expertinterviewers/-TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@expertinterviewers-Lorna Erickson LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lornaerickson/-Victoria Gates LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vpreston/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/

What has more to do with longevity: your zip code or your genetic code? The answer might just surprise you. In this episode, I’m thrilled to have Dr. Debra Whitman, Chief Public Policy Officer at AARP and author of “The Second Fifty: Answers to the 7 Big Questions of Midlife and Beyond” join me to discuss the changing narrative of aging. Deb’s journey into this field began at a young age; growing up living with her grandmother, who had schizophrenia, shaped her deep passion for improving the lives of older adults.Her book, “The Second Fifty,” is a profound exploration of the reality of aging in America, highlighting the disparities in life expectancy, healthcare, and the retirement crisis many face, while also offering actionable steps for improving how we live, work, and age. From the big questions in our second half of life to the importance of intergenerational teams, this conversation will change the way you think about aging and help you embrace it with purpose and intention. This episode is a call to action to adopt a more positive view of aging and to build systems that support healthy, vibrant aging for everyone - not just a select few.Instead of dreading birthdays, why not embrace them with gratitude and start planning your next big adventure? Who knows - your second 50 might just be your best 50!Listen now to hear Deb’s inspiring insights, learn about AARP’s important work on behalf of older adults, and hear how we can shift the mentality around aging in our society.“If you think more positively about your future, then that's the best health behavior you can have.” ~ Dr. Debra WhitmanIn This Episode:-The need for authenticity in aging and why it’s time to embrace The Second 50-How positive aging and mindset shifts can add years to your life-Why multigenerational teams are essential for business success-How older workers are critical for driving economic growth and innovationAnd much more!Resources:-The Second 50 by Dr. Debra Whitman: https://www.aarp.org/entertainment/books/bookstore/money-work-retirement/info-2023/the-second-fifty.htmlConnect with Dr. Debra Whitman:-Website: https://www.aarp.org/-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-whitman/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/

We’re done just talking about ageism. In this episode, we show you how to do something about it.Janine Vanderburg is the powerhouse behind Changing the Narrative and CEO of Encore Roadmap. She joins me to talk about how she and a coalition of advocates helped pass the groundbreaking Job Application Fairness Act in Colorado - legislation that bans asking for graduation dates or age identifiers in job applications. It’s a big win for both older and younger workers - and a roadmap for change in other states.Just in time for Intergenerational Week and Older Americans Month, this is a must-listen if you’ve ever felt invisible in the job market or want to turn your frustration into progress.From the importance of intergenerational teams in the workplace to the business case for older workers, Janine provides practical advice for both job seekers and employers.What you’ll get from this episode:✅ How the Job Application Fairness Act is changing the game for job seekers in Colorado✅ Why intergenerational teams are essential for business success✅ Stories of how ageism impacts real people in the workforce✅ Janine’s journey from consultant to anti-ageism advocate and how you can get involvedTune in to hear Janine’s incredible journey and learn how we can all be part of the solution. Let’s go!“My mantra personally is: It’s not too late—dreams don't have an expiration date.” ~ Janine VanderburgIn This Episode:-How Colorado became the first state to ban age-based application screening-Why this law helps both Gen Z and older generations-How to tell your story without risking your career-Why intergenerational teams drive business success - and how to make the business case-How you can bring this law to your own state (yes, there’s a toolkit!)And much more!Resources:-Colorado's Job Application Fairness Act: Advancing Age Inclusion in Hiring by Janine Vanderburg: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/colorados-job-application-fairness-act-advancing-age-vanderburg-hvmwc/-AARP Research on Age Discrimination: https://www.aarp.org/politics-society/advocacy/info-2025/older-workers-fear-age-discrimination.html-Wiser Than Me with Julia Louis-Dreyfus - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wiser-than-me-with-julia-louis-dreyfus/id1678559416Connect with Janine Vanderburg:-Website: https://encoreroadmap.com/ and https://changingthenarrativeco.org/-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janinevanderburg/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/

We’ve all had those painfully awkward moments–those cringey, uncomfortable feelings—the ones that make you want to disappear into the floor. But what if awkwardness wasn’t something to escape, but something to embrace? Today, I sit down with workplace performance expert Henna Pryor to unpack why discomfort is actually a good thing.Henna shares her personal journey from feeling like an outsider as a child of immigrants to discovering how awkwardness can be a growth accelerator. She also reveals surprising research on why confident people don’t avoid awkward moments—they just recover faster. Plus, we dig into how social skills are eroding in the workplace, why millennials report the most superficial relationships at work, and how different generations handle awkwardness.If you’ve ever second-guessed yourself before speaking up in a meeting, hesitated before trying something new, or let fear of embarrassment hold you back, this episode will change the way you think about discomfort.If this episode gave you the push to stop overthinking and embrace the cringe, share it with a friend! And if you really loved it, we’d be forever grateful if you left us a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more people find the show (and helps us keep embracing our awkward too).“In our 20s and 30s, we care a lot about what people think of us. In our 40s and 50s, we stop caring what other people think of us. But in our 60s and 70s, we realize they were never thinking about us in the first place, and that knowledge is so freeing.” ~ Henna PryorIn This Episode:-Why awkwardness isn’t a curse but a superpower-Henna’s childhood struggles with feeling different-How age shifts our self-consciousness (and makes us care less)-The workplace “social muscle” problem across generations-Remote work + tech = weaker social skills (and it shows)-86% of workers would rather work alone—yikes-Small steps to build social confidence without freaking out-Using humor to recover from awkward moments-Risk-taking at work: when to go for it and when to hold back-The “Cringe Chasm”—choosing between comfort and growth-The worst-case scenario exercise that flips fear on its headAnd much more!Resources:-Book: Good Awkward by Henna Pryor: https://pryoritygroup.com/book/-The Social Muscle Study: Download the full report at https://pryoritygroup.com/study/-Henna’s TEDx Talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/henna_pryor_want_to_get_ahead_at_work_risk_the_awkward_momentsConnect with Henna Pryor:-Website: https://pryoritygroup.com/-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hennapryor/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/

How does a Silicon Valley techie end up transforming one of the largest nonprofits in the U.S.? Well, Naj Uddin, Chief Information Officer at AARP, joins us to share his journey from tech startups to spearheading innovation at AARP. Naj shares how AARP is doing things differently - think success coaching, mentorship programs, and hiring practices that prioritize meaningful work and support for employees at every career stage. Plus, he shares heartwarming stories of growth, like an executive assistant who leveled up into a tech role and an intern who turned mentor.And because no conversation today is complete without a mention of AI, Naj gives practical advice on how to harness AI (hello, prompt engineering!) to tailor resumes, boost skills, and stand out in today’s job market. But wait, there’s more! Naj gives the roadmap on how companies can thrive with a multigenerational workforce, from flexible work setups to creating inclusive environments. Whether you're leading a multigenerational team, navigating a career pivot, or just curious about how AARP is leading the charge, this episode* is packed with insights you don’t want to miss. So, let’s roll!“Give people meaningful work, give them support, hold them to high expectations, be clear about what they're doing, and people thrive. But, that's not something that happens automatically—you have to be deliberate about it as a manager.” ~Naj UddinIn This Episode:- Naj’s journey from Silicon Valley to leading innovation at AARP- How AARP is empowering over 100 million Americans to thrive - AARP’s strategies for creating an intergenerational workforce- How to use AI tools to boost your job prospects- The practices that make AARP a supportive and innovative workplace- How companies can replicate AARP’s successAnd much more!Learn More About AARP’s Employer Pledge Program:-https://www.aarp.org/work/employer-pledge-companies/ Connect with Naj Uddin:-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/najeebuddinConnect with Maureen Clough:-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough*PS. AARP sponsored this episode of It Gets Late Early as a part of our live event package.