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| 6/25/26 | ![]() Midyear advocacy update: STEM, BOI, taxes and licensure | What advocacy issues should CPAs be watching with 2026 at its midpoint? The latest Journal of Accountancy podcast episode covers numerous topics with Mark Peterson, executive vice president–Advocacy for the Association of International Certified Professional Accountants, representing AICPA and CIMA. Peterson details efforts to include accounting in STEM education initiatives, what the future might hold for beneficial ownership information reporting requirements, and the profession's role in seeking guidance related to federal tax guidance. Peterson, speaking from AICPA ENGAGE earlier this month, also explains the vital role of state societies' advocacy efforts. He touches on CPA licensure, the Fiscal State of the Nation Act, tariffs, and other policy developments that affect practitioners and their clients. Also, read Peterson's midyear summary in column form. What you'll learn from this episode: Why the AICPA continues to push for accounting to be included in STEM education initiatives, and what progress advocates are making on Capitol Hill. What the future may hold for beneficial ownership information requirements after the pause in BOI reporting enforcement. The critical role that state CPA societies play in licensure modernization and advocacy efforts. Peterson's perspective on how the AICPA is helping to get more clarity around implementation of major federal tax legislation. Why he says that implementation of the massive tax bill has been "lumpy." Peterson's reflection on the rise of Town Hall as a way to quickly get information and perspective to members. Ongoing and emerging policy issues — including tariffs, global mobility, and anti-money laundering efforts — that could affect the profession in the months ahead. | — | ||||||
| 6/18/26 | ![]() Why mindset may matter more than technology adoption | Recorded live at AICPA ENGAGE 2026, this episode of the JofA podcast explores the reasons that mindset and leadership may be even more important than technology adoption as finance and accounting professionals navigate an era of nonstop transformation. Joel Morris, a vice president at Wolters Kluwer, and Tom Hood, CPA/CITP, CGMA, executive vice president–Business Growth & Engagement at the AICPA, discuss what separates future-ready organizations from those struggling to keep pace, focuses on AI, workforce development, and strategic thinking. Morris and Hood also explore the human skills, trust, and risk management practices needed to help organizations adapt, innovate, and remain relevant in a rapidly changing profession. One key component mentioned in the conversation is the Rise2040 report and initiative. What you'll learn from this episode: How each speaker defines the "perpetual transformation state." Why Hood says mindset—not technology—may be the biggest factor in future readiness. How Morris distinguishes organizations who are getting "ahead of the wave" from those that say they're too busy to devote time to thinking about growth methodologies. What Morris and Hood see as the biggest barriers to successful AI adoption. The reasons that human skills are becoming more important, not less, in an AI-powered profession. How trust can help accountants and finance professionals navigate ongoing transformation and why Morris calls trust "that through-line into everything that you do." | — | ||||||
| 6/16/26 | ![]() How retaliation risk complicates fraud investigations | Retaliation — actual or perceived — can make fraud investigations more complex and less effective. In this episode of the Journal of Accountancy podcast, Fred Kohm, CPA/CFF, a partner at Grant Thornton, summarizes insights from the latest FVS Eye on Fraud report and explains how nuanced workplace dynamics can affect whistleblower cases. Kohm shares examples of subtle retaliation and explains how forensic accountants, auditors, and other professionals can recognize retaliation risks and strengthen investigative practices. "Whether you are a forensic accountant, an auditor, or perhaps a CPA in another role …, be aware that retaliation is real," Kohm said. Editor's note: The spring 2026 FVS Eye on Fraud report is available for download at the link above. It becomes exclusive to FVS Section members after July 10. What you'll learn from this episode: Defining "retaliation" in the context of a whistleblower complaint and investigation. Why fear of retaliation can limit the information whistleblowers share. How retaliation can show up in subtle ways, from exclusion to heightened scrutiny. What makes retaliation a complex challenge for forensic accountants gathering evidence. The strategies that Kohm recommends to help organizations reduce retaliation risk. Why awareness and objectivity are critical when evaluating fraud allegations. | — | ||||||
| 6/10/26 | ![]() The power of active listening in addressing the CPA skills gap | Recorded at ENGAGE in Las Vegas, this episode of the JofA podcast features Carl Mayes, CPA, the AICPA's vice president–Ethics & Firm Quality, discussing the Profession Ready Initiative and the evolving skills employers expect from current and aspiring CPAs. Mayes shares insights from discussions with more than 1,000 members, including concerns about foundational accounting skills, communication abilities, and maintaining professional skepticism in an AI-driven environment. Mayes, who was also on the podcast in February, reflects in this episode on the profession's responsibility to prepare the next generation of CPAs and the energizing role events such as ENGAGE play in shaping new ideas across the profession. One other resource related to the conversation: the monthly A&A Focus series. What you'll learn from this episode: An early-career lesson for Mayes that underscored CPAs serving as "gatekeepers for the capital markets." What early stages of the Profession Ready Initiative have unearthed after conversations with more than 1,000 accounting professionals. Why communication skills, critical thinking, and skepticism are becoming more important in the age of AI. Why Mayes said, "Active listeners make better leaders." How employers and educators are working to close competency gaps for CPAs. What ENGAGE means to accounting professionals looking for new ideas, stronger connections, and practical innovation. | — | ||||||
| 6/4/26 | ![]() Aligning with AI: Lisa Simpson on how to overcome sense of overwhelm | Lisa Simpson, CPA, CGMA, vice president–Firm Services at the AICPA, discusses the evolution of AICPA Town Hall, key takeaways from Town Hall's six years of programming, and how practitioners can navigate rapid change driven by AI. She shares insights on managing "a sense of overwhelm" related to AI and highlights resources that can help firms adapt, including the AICPA and CIMA AI resource hub. The episode also includes a segment on the latest Economic Outlook Survey results and what they signal about business sentiment, inflation, and hiring. Other resources related to the topics: The CPA.com AI resource page, which includes a vendor evaluation framework. The Town Hall landing page, which includes a registration button. The full Economic Outlook Survey results for the second quarter. What you'll learn from this episode: Lisa Simpson's recap of topics at the recent PCPS Executive Committee meeting. How AICPA Town Hall has evolved to deliver news, analysis, and practice management insights. The common comment that Simpson jokingly says she gets about Town Hall. Why many CPAs feel a sense of overwhelm about AI and how to begin addressing it. Resources, including the AICPA AI hub and CPA.com tools, that can support firm decision-making. What recent Economic Outlook Survey results reveal about inflation concerns and hiring plans. | — | ||||||
| 5/28/26 | ![]() What CPA.com's CEO sees next for AI, tax, and the profession | In this episode, Erik Asgeirsson of CPA.com looks back and looks ahead — to the next weeks and months and also to the future of AI in the accounting profession. Asgeirsson explains how AI's acceleration in tax, audit, and client advisory services builds on lessons learned during the cloud computing transformation. He outlines where firms are seeing the biggest opportunities, why tax is emerging as a key area for innovation, and how new AI capabilities are reshaping workflows and insights. The conversation also covers practical steps for firms to get started with AI, along with the risks to manage and the long-term shift toward higher-value advisory services. Asgeirsson was one of the creators of AICPA Town Hall back in spring of 2020. He talked about Town Hall's guiding principles, which have shaped the show and resonate with its thousands of viewers today. Resources mentioned in the episode: CPA.com's AI resource page. AICPA ENGAGE agenda. Digital CPA Conference in December. What you'll learn from this episode: How lessons from the rise of cloud computing and client advisory services can guide firms' AI strategies. Why tax is emerging as a leading area for AI-driven transformation, from research to new preparation tools. What recent advances in AI models mean for CPAs, including stronger data analysis, automation, and integration into everyday tools. How small and midsize firms can get started with AI. Why embracing AI can lead to expansion for firms into higher-value advisory work, even as they manage risks such as data security and governance. Asgeirsson's reflection on the growth of AICPA Town Hall from a pandemic-era resource to a high-production platform shaping firm strategy and responding directly to member questions. One JofA-related highlight that Asgeirsson is looking forward to at ENGAGE. | — | ||||||
| 5/21/26 | ![]() Deregulation's state of play and the threats it poses to CPA licensure | James Cox, an AICPA vice president, explains why efforts to weaken professional licensure are gaining traction in state legislatures. He discusses the role of the Alliance for Responsible Professional Licensing (ARPL) and the risks that deregulation could pose to CPAs and the public. The episode also highlights how organizations and professionals can stay informed and engaged as debates about professional licensing evolve. What you'll learn from this episode: Why Cox says that "attacks" on CPA licensure have expanded to new fronts in recent years. How state budget pressures and political trends are fueling deregulation efforts. How weakening licensing standards could reduce trust in financial reporting and other services. What polling shows about public and business support for professional licensure. Cox's recommendations to CPAs to stay vigilant and work with state societies. | — | ||||||
| 5/19/26 | ![]() How CPAs can show their value on National Accounting Day | Today is National Accounting Day. To mark the occasion, Sue Coffey, CPA, CGMA, the AICPA's CEO–Public Accounting, joined the podcast for a special edition to discuss celebrating the day and maximizing the profession's broader impact. She explains how the CPA Trust campaign aims to highlight the value CPAs bring to businesses, individuals, and communities. Coffey shares examples of trust in action, from financial reporting to tax planning and advisory support. Coffey also details what practitioners can expect from ENGAGE in June. What you'll learn from this episode: The significance of National Accounting Day to Coffey. A preview of the AICPA's CPA Trust campaign. Real-world examples of how trust in action is demonstrated by CPAs with clients and communities. Why CPAs are encouraged to share their impact publicly through social media. What makes ENGAGE a key event for learning, networking, and industry insights. | — | ||||||
| 5/14/26 | ![]() Worrying about what's next? Take a minute and focus on the present | A conversation with leadership and workplace mental health expert Morra Aarons-Mele explores why focusing on the present can improve performance, reduce stress, and strengthen decision-making. Aarons-Mele is the keynote speaker June 15 at the AICPA Not-for-Profit Industry Conference in National Harbor, Md. Aarons-Mele, also an author and podcaster, explains how leaders in high-pressure roles can balance necessary forward planning with short, purposeful pauses, which can improve clarity and team dynamics. The discussion examines how organizations can apply mindfulness practices to build resilience and maintain focus in fast-moving environments. What you'll learn from this episode: Why Aarons-Mele emphasizes a focus on the present. The practice that she says has been "the single most healing, restorative, renewing thing I've done." Why the strategy of "take a minute and pause" can be effective during periods of disruption. What research says about the benefits of such pauses. Why Aarons-Mele warned against letting anxiety about the future drive decision-making. The effect that having "too many tabs open" can have on focus and performance at work. | — | ||||||
| 5/7/26 | ![]() The Auditing Standards Board's priorities for 2026 and beyond | Halie Creps, CPA, chair of the AICPA Auditing Standards Board, joined the JofA podcast to discuss the ASB's refreshed 2026–2030 strategic plan and its focus on responsiveness, collaboration, and technology. She also explained why taking part in AICPA committees and boards is important to her and mentioned the link that members can visit to explore volunteer opportunities. Creps highlighted current projects, including proposed updates to attestation standards, sustainability assurance, confirmations, and fraud. She also explained how practitioner feedback and international standard‑setting influence the board's work. What you'll learn from this episode: Why Creps said that serving on the Auditing Standards Board helps make her a better auditor. A mention of the numerous types of volunteer opportunities for members. How the ASB's 2026–2030 strategic plan reflects stakeholder feedback. What proposed changes to attestation standards could mean for practitioners. How sustainability assurance fits into the ASB's broader standards framework. The status of and comment deadlines for exposure drafts on confirmations and fraud. How technology and global collaboration are shaping future audit standards. | — | ||||||
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| 4/30/26 | ![]() The risks of quick‑turn SOC engagements and what CPAs should know | System and Organization Controls (SOC) reports are examinations performed by CPAs in accordance with the AICPA's Statements on Standards for Attestation Engagements to evaluate the controls over customer data that service organizations such as cloud providers or payroll processors have in place. SOC reports provide independent assurance to the service organization's customers, aka user entities, that those controls are suitably designed and operating effectively. The entrance of technology vendors into the realm of SOC reporting has created some efficiencies, but it also has led to promises of "fast and easy" SOC reports that have raised credibility concerns in the marketplace. In this episode of the Journal of Accountancy podcast, Amy Pawlicki, the AICPA's vice president–Assurance & Advisory Innovation, discusses recent developments affecting SOC engagements. The conversation also highlights what CPAs, service organizations, and report users should watch for to protect trust in SOC reporting. Other resources mentioned in the episode include: A JofA article on ethics risks related to SOC tool providers. The AICPA's SOC landing page. Ethics Staff Insights: Business Arrangements With SOC Tool Providers. What you'll learn from this episode: What SOC reporting is — and why a SOC 2 report is not a certification. How a technology trend is threatening SOC credibility. The ethical risks related to SOC reporting tool vendors. The peer review and the AICPA Code of Professional Conduct requirements for CPAs performing SOC work. Where to find AICPA resources for firms, service organizations, and users. | — | ||||||
| 4/23/26 | ![]() How to start a CPA practice: Lessons from a firm founder and a risk expert | Starting a CPA firm can be both exciting and daunting, with financial, operational, and personal risks along the way. In this Journal of Accountancy podcast episode, Michael Meihaus, CPA, founder of Meihaus CPA, shares what he learned after launching his practice. Alvin Fennell, vice president and senior risk adviser at Aon, adds a risk-management perspective on what new firm owners must plan for from day one. Together, they discuss practical steps, common blind spots, and how CPAs can balance growth with protection. They reference an e-book created jointly by Aon and the AICPA. The e-book's first chapter is unlocked, and readers can access subsequent chapters by supplying their email address. What you'll learn from this episode: The market opportunity that was one factor in a CPA deciding to launch a firm. What Meihaus meant when he said "your strengths and weaknesses are enhanced" as a firm owner. Some of the many business questions new firm owners should answer early. Why starting a firm can, according to Fennell, put CPAs in "a vulnerable spot." Risk-management considerations, including billing practices, engagement letters, and insurance coverage. | — | ||||||
| 4/16/26 | ![]() A Machu Picchu moment and what it means for aging and retirement | Younger generations are rethinking retirement — considering more flexibility and well-timed breaks over a traditional model of holding a job until a certain age and then stopping work. Kelley Long, CPA/PFS, joined the Journal of Accountancy podcast to discuss how modern financial planning is changing. She also explains how health savings accounts can support career flexibility and reduce reliance on employer‑sponsored health insurance later in life. Long will explore these topics further in June at AICPA ENGAGE, the profession's biggest conference. She is presenting sessions focused on retirement and on health care financial literacy on June 10 in Las Vegas. What you'll learn from this episode: A preview of Kelley Long's ENGAGE sessions and a related JofA article. The factors that are leading younger generations to approach retirement differently. How "mini‑retirements" can fit into long‑term career and financial planning. How Long's trip to South America crystallized her views on timing and retirement. The role of social connections in cognitive health. Some ways that health savings accounts can support career changes or time off. How potentially being overinsured can affect financial planning. | — | ||||||
| 4/8/26 | ![]() What small firms are getting right about tech and why they're not alone | Small CPA firms play a critical role in the accounting profession, and new tools are helping them compete, innovate, and grow. In this episode of the JofA podcast, Stephanie Otero, CPA, the AICPA's vice president–Small Firm Advocate, discusses why small firms matter, how AI and automation are leveling the playing field, and where innovation thrives in smaller practices. She references real-world examples and previews the PCPS Small Firm Success Series, a free, CPE-eligible webcast series for AICPA members. The conversation also looks ahead to ENGAGE in Las Vegas and the ways AICPA resources and communities help small firm practitioners realize they do not have to go it alone. Related resources: Private Companies Practice Section firm membership. Resources for small firms. Transforming Your Business Model resources. April 20 PCPS Overview Session. Article on small firms' use of AI and automation. What you'll learn from this episode: The importance of small CPA firms to the profession and why Otero is passionate about advocating for such firms. How AI and automation can help small firms compete with larger organizations. Practical examples of practitioners using technology to build capacity. AICPA resources can help small firm leaders connect and grow. | — | ||||||
| 4/2/26 | ![]() Liability lessons on documentation, high-profile clients, CAS engagement letters | Sarah Ference, CPA, a risk control director at CNA, joins the Journal of Accountancy podcast to discuss recent topics of the JofA's Professional Liability Spotlight column. The conversation covers lessons learned from claims involving bankrupt clients, the importance of strong and consistent documentation, and the particular risks associated with serving high-net-worth or high-profile clients. The episode also highlights the April column on writing effective engagement letters for client advisory services. The articles discussed in the episode: January: "Don't Let a Bankrupt Client Bankrupt You." February: "Tell a Story With Your Documentation." March: "Luxury Liabilities: Serving High-Net-Worth Clients." April: "Tips for Writing CAS Engagement Letters." What you'll learn from this episode: The reasons CPA firms can be drawn into litigation when clients face bankruptcy. How strong client acceptance and continuance practices can help firms identify and manage higher‑risk engagements before problems arise. Why documentation acts as a firm's voice in a professional liability claim — and how gaps or inconsistencies can weaken defense of a claim. Why Ference has been told that "celebrities and CPA firms don't mix." What makes high‑net‑worth and celebrity clients higher risk and why firms should avoid relaxing standard risk management protocols for them. Why for engagement letters related to CAS, Ference said: "The devil is really in the details of that engagement letter." | — | ||||||
| 3/26/26 | ![]() The surprising way one CFO grows her network and her knowledge | Wassia Kamon, CPA, returned as a guest on the Journal of Accountancy podcast to preview her sessions at the CFO Conference and ENGAGE. Kamon also discussed the growing expectations placed on today's CFOs and how those expectations helped shape one of her conference sessions. Kamon also reflected on how launching her podcast, The Diary of a CFO, has expanded her network and grown her knowledge. What you'll learn from this episode: Kamon's summary of her session with Paul Young at the CFO Conference in April. Why she says her podcast "is almost like a business card." The importance of a true reset and how a reset is different from rest. What she's most looking forward to at ENGAGE in June. Why sessions related to artificial intelligence will be particularly relevant this year. | — | ||||||
| 3/19/26 | ![]() Ancient Greece to AI: The past and future of bank fraud | David Stone, CPA, CFE, MBA, is the author of the most recent FVS Eye on Fraud report. In this episode, Stone, senior manager–Financial Services Practice Group at BerryDunn, shares insights from the report, which focuses on internal and external fraud risks facing financial institutions. Stone explains how long‑standing schemes — from misuse of dormant accounts to persistent check‑fraud activity — continue to evolve even as institutions strengthen their controls. Stone, a graduate of the AICPA Leadership Academy, also describes emerging, technology‑driven threats such as deepfakes, more sophisticated ransomware, and the potential impact of quantum computing on systems once considered secure. Previous Eye on Fraud-focused episodes: February 2026 July 2025 March 2025 What you'll learn from this episode: David Stone's explanation of perhaps the first recorded case of bank fraud. Defining internal and external fraud, both of which are focus areas in the March Eye on Fraud report. Why dormant accounts offer opportunities for fraudsters. The fraud stat that "astounded" Stone. How deepfakes and enhanced ransomware tactics are reshaping the threat landscape for financial institutions. What quantum computing could mean for the future of fraud prevention. | — | ||||||
| 3/12/26 | ![]() Tax advocacy: AICPA experts on new bills shaping tax preparer rules | Two AICPA tax experts from the Washington, D.C., office joined the JofA podcast to discuss a recent Government Accountability Office report on paid tax return preparers and why its findings matter during a busy filing season. Melanie Lauridsen, vice president–Tax Policy & Advocacy, and Todd Sloves, director–Congressional & Political Affairs, break down bipartisan legislation in Congress — including the TAS Act — and explain how its provisions could strengthen oversight and modernize IRS processes. The conversation also highlights the SAFE Act and its aim to simplify the task of filing extensions for taxpayers and practitioners. The Q&A also outlines where broad consensus exists in the tax community and why this moment could be pivotal for long‑awaited tax administration reforms. What you'll learn from this episode: What the statistics in a GAO report on paid tax return preparers show. How minimum professional standards could strengthen IRS oversight, and why the AICPA supports establishing competency and regulatory guardrails for all preparers. Provisions in the TAS Act recently introduced in the Senate, including reforms shaped by bipartisan work and those aimed at improving taxpayer service. Lauridsen's explanation of how the SAFE Act would simplify filing extensions, reducing the need for complex estimates. A reminder of the particulars of the "mailbox rule." The factors Sloves cites in his belief that the discussed legislation has a path to passage. | — | ||||||
| 3/5/26 | ![]() Summing up economic sentiment and concerns about inflation, recession | Optimism among U.S. CPA decision-makers in February improved when compared with the outlook in November, but overall sentiment remains guarded. That's one conversation topic in the latest Journal of Accountancy podcast episode. In the episode, Ken Witt, CPA, CGMA, associate director–Management Accounting Research & Development for the AICPA and CIMA, break down the sentiment about the domestic economy, the global economy, and respondents' companies. The discussion also touches on top challenges, hiring plans, and recession expectations. What you'll learn from this episode: The increase in own‑company optimism from the previous quarter. The reasons that both optimists and pessimists cite for their views. The "dance" that inflation and domestic economic conditions have done on the survey's list of top challenges. Projected revenue and profit growth in the coming 12 months. | — | ||||||
| 2/26/26 | ![]() Talent shuffle: Why people want to change jobs and how leaders can adapt | At several points over the past six years, employee retention has ebbed and flowed. In part, workforce trends have been tied to the COVID-19 pandemic hastening the predominance of remote and hybrid work. And, more recently, economic uncertainty has contributed to employee sentiment. On this episode of the Journal of Accountancy podcast, two Robert Half executives discuss general hiring trends and the outlook for accounting and finance roles. Additionally, they examine the dynamics of promoting from within versus hiring externally. And, in case you missed it, news dropped on publication day that even a Hollywood director might have found interesting: ENGAGE keynote speakers were announced. What you'll learn from this episode: Why nearly 40% of employees say they plan to look for a new job in 2026 and how that compares with recent trends such as "the big stay." Some of the factors employees are considering in their decision to find work elsewhere. Steve Saah's reminder that the demand for accounting and finance professionals remains strong even as hiring managers say it's becoming more challenging to find skilled candidates. Kathy Burton's explanation for why companies should move away from thinking about "diminishing" skillsets. The importance of upskilling and reskilling and why "courageous curiosity" is a valued trait. | — | ||||||
| 2/19/26 | ![]() Inside the AICPA's effort to enhance the skills of early-career CPAs | Early this month, the AICPA launched its Profession Ready Initiative. In this episode of the JofA podcast, Carl Mayes, CPA, the AICPA's vice president–CPA Candidate Quality and Competency, explained more about the initiative and why a rapidly changing workplace demands new skills from emerging and early-career CPAs. He discussed how automation, AI, and offshoring are reshaping entry-level work — and how Rise2040 research is informing the initiative. Listeners will learn how to get involved, what's planned for ENGAGE, and how the effort benefits both early-career professionals and experienced CPAs. What you'll learn from this episode: Why the AICPA launched the Profession Ready Initiative. How Rise2040 research informed the approach to improving entry-level CPA skills. The ways automation, AI, and offshoring are reshaping the first years of CPA careers — and what new competencies employers say they need as a result. The initiative's multifaceted approach, including research, new learning solutions, academic collaboration, and state-level engagement. Ways that CPAs, educators, and firms can participate. How the effort will benefit both early-career professionals and experienced CPAs. | — | ||||||
| 2/11/26 | ![]() Lessons in internal control lapses from major fraud cases | Tammy Thomas, CPA/CFF, CGMA, is a co-author of the most recent FVS Eye on Fraud report, focused on the importance of internal controls preventing employee embezzlement. In this episode, Thomas breaks down how failures in segregation of duties allowed two major embezzlement schemes to persist for years. She explains how small control gaps and role consolidation can quietly erode an organization's defenses. Thomas also outlines how deadline pressure and resource constraints can unintentionally weaken internal control environments. Also, hear the previous Eye on Fraud podcast discussion, about the role of company culture, from July 2025. What you'll learn from this episode: A definition of internal controls and why they function best as a dynamic, ongoing process. How weak internal controls and poor segregation of duties can create openings for employee embezzlement. Why deadline pressure around the month‑end or year‑end close can weaken internal control effectiveness. Practical steps organizations can take to strengthen internal controls, improve oversight, and reduce fraud risk. Why Thomas said it was important to remember that "internal control is not a checklist." | — | ||||||
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