Matching Minds with Sondheim: The Podcast

It’s a mash-up! Producer Dennis Caouki weaves together audio from two recent interviews—one with mathematician Art Benjamin (via the National Museum of Mathematics’ Starring Math webinar series) and one from Shoshana Greenberg’s Scene to Song podcast—into a single conversation. The combined interview explores Sondheim’s connections to math, puzzles, and games; cryptic crosswords; design values like misdirection and accessibility; and how those ideas appear in Sondheim’s work (including Into the Woods, A Little Night Music, Sweeney Todd, Company, and Pacific Overtures). The discussion also touches on Schmigadoon! season two’s Sondheim-inspired mashups, Hadestown, The Last of Sheila, and the Knives Out films as modern homages. 00:00 Podcast Updates Ahead 00:27 Audiobook Booth Stories 03:05 Two Interviews One Episode 05:35 Meet Barry Joseph 08:49 Hadestown As Ritual 10:10 Sondheim And Math Roots 11:45 Math In A Little Night Music 15:28 Into The Woods London Take 19:50 CD-ROM Game That Never Was 22:58 Sondheim Puzzle Design Values 26:15 Treasure Hunt Phone Puzzle 27:58 Puzzles For Anybody 29:13 Matching Minds Explained 29:59 Inside Sondheim’s Mind 31:18 Bernstein Puzzle Rivalry 32:49 Lyrics as Game Design 37:38 Cryptic Crosswords Explained 39:54 Solving a Clue Live 43:27 Games in the Shows 45:57 Knives Out Homages 47:41 Schmigadoon Mashup Magic 53:15 Broadway Hopes and Farewell Special Links: Scene to Song with Shoshana Greenberg Art Benjamin - ThatMathShow.com Colm Molloy Ann Morrison Mateo Chavez Lewis Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode: the Musical Stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, our line producer Dennis Caouki, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy and sung by the one only Anne Morrison, currently on the road starring in Kimberly Akimbo. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join Barry Joseph and guests David Spira (Room Escape Artist) and Rachel Allen Duncan (Watson Adventures) to explore why Stephen Sondheim designed treasure hunts for decades, focusing on two with related names: the 1973 A Little Night Music Treasure Hunt at the Shubert Theatre and the 2011 A Little Jurassic Treasure Hunt at the American Museum of Natural History. Performers George Lee Andrews and Marti Morris recall the Shubert cast-party hunt co-devised with Anthony Perkins, where puzzle-photo team formation led to lyric-based clues hidden around the theater. Event producer Brigid Walsh describes producing the 2011 fundraiser hunt hosted by Sarah Jessica Parker and Matthew Broderick for Friends In Deed, including wax-sealed packets, team coordinators, dinosaur-hall clue cards, a meta-puzzle, and a final reveal involving a freight elevator, toy dinosaurs, and a hidden prize. Make sure to get the book everywhere books are found, ⁠⁠or click here⁠⁠. 00:00 Sondheim Human Touch 01:43 Meet The Guests 03:24 Two Little Hunts 04:55 Show And Memories 06:43 Cast Interview Begins 11:19 Shubert Hunt Story 15:49 Ice Cream Interlude 17:12 Design Takeaways 24:35 Clue Sheet Breakdown 30:43 Weddings And Hunts 32:48 Wedding Puzzle Talk 33:47 Sondheim Museum Hunt Setup 35:47 Designing the Venue 39:20 Watching Players Lose It 41:55 Why Museums Work 43:46 Dino Hall Game Ideas 46:03 Inside the Hunt Packet 50:49 Rules and Meta Puzzle 55:55 Clues and Cheating 58:44 Spoilers Final Solve 01:01:37 Prizes and Reflections 01:04:15 Sondheim Takeaways 01:06:31 Plugs and Signoff Special Links: Room Escape Artist Reality Escape Pod Watson Adventures AMNH Dinosaurs Colm Molloy Ann Morrison Mateo Chavez Lewis Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode: the Musical Stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, our line producer Dennis Caouki, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy and sung by the one only Anne Morrison, currently on the road starring in Kimberly Akimbo. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dan Okrent visits Matching Minds for his FIRST interview (woot! an exclusive) about his highly anticipated biography “Sondheim: Art Isn’t Easy” (pub. March 17). Okrent explains the project evolved from a short biographical essay into a thematic, research-heavy contemporary biography, drawing on extensive archives and interviews (including 38 people, many close collaborators), with early praise from John Weidman and James Lapine. They discuss why a new Sondheim biography is needed since Meryle Secrest’s work, why James Lapine described it as “The best that has been written about Steve,” the value of Secrest’s Yale interview tapes, and new Library of Congress material clarifying Sondheim’s account of his mother’s letter (“guilt” vs “regret”). Okrent connects Sondheim’s alcoholism, inhibition, revenge themes (notably in “Sweeney Todd”), and life arc from alienation to connection. Finally, Okrent and Barry reflect on their unusual, and quite remarkable, multiyear relationship with each other and with Michael Mitnick that supported both Art Isn’t Easy AND Matching Minds with Sondheim. Make sure to get the book everywhere books are found, ⁠⁠or click here⁠⁠. 00:00 Art From Demons 00:55 Meet Dan Okrent 02:00 The Name Game 03:35 From Essay To Biography 07:39 Why Another Sondheim Book 09:26 Alcohol And Inhibition 12:23 Secrest Tapes At Yale 16:12 Sweeney Todd And Revenge 19:30 The Mother Letter Revisited 25:36 Password And Lee Remick 29:08 Writing For Insiders 29:40 Finding Your Reader 30:15 Writing for Insiders 31:43 The Missing Five Years 33:52 Procrastination or Passion 34:56 Alienation to Connection 36:13 Musicals That Connect 39:20 How Their Books Shaped Each Other 40:17 Archive Treasure Hunts 42:33 What Writing Revealed 43:53 A Collaborative Email Trio 49:53 The Creative New York Blob 51:20 Hopes and Farewell 53:23 Final Thanks and Signoff Special Links: Dan Okrent Colm Molloy Ann Morrison Mateo Chavez Lewis David Armstron’s Broadway Nation Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode: the Musical Stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, our line producer Dennis Caouki, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy and sung by the one only Anne Morrison, currently on the road starring in Kimberly Akimbo. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Come with Matching Minds to BroadwayCon in New York City during a frigid snowstorm! This episode features special guests and Broadway stars Etai Benson, George Lee Andrews, and Marty Morris, sharing their connections with Sondheim's puzzles and games. Etai recounts receiving a custom, personalized jigsaw puzzle from Sondheim for his role in Company. George and Marty take us back 53 years to share memories of the Sondheim/Perkin’s Shubert Theater treasure hunt for the cast of A Little Night Music. The audience participates in live trivia rounds (play along from home) and a reenactment of Sondheim's famous Murder Game. And suffer through our attempt at a podcast theme-song sign-a-long… Make sure to get the book everywhere books are found, ⁠⁠or click here⁠⁠. 00:00 Introduction to Matching Minds with Sondheim 00:05 Experiencing BroadwayCon in New York City 00:28 Diverse Activities at BroadwayCon 01:00 Sondheim's Puzzles and Games 01:28 Special Guests: Broadway Performers 02:41 Sondheim's Multifaceted Career 03:03 Sondheim's Influence and Legacy 04:16 Interactive Trivia and Games 05:41 Exploring Sondheim's Puzzles 09:47 Special Guests: George Lee Andrews and Marty Morris 17:26 A Visit to Steve Sondheim's House 18:05 Round Three: Word Puzzles 19:25 Round Four: Mechanical Puzzles 19:57 Special Guests: Etai Benson 25:46 Round Five: Parlor Games 26:34 The Murder Game 30:44 Conclusion: Matching Minds with Sondheim Special Links: Colm Molloy Ann Morrison Mateo Chavez Lewis Etai Benson George Lee Andrews Marti Morris BroadwayCon Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode: the Musical Stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, our line producer Dennis Caouki, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy and sung by the one only Anne Morrison, currently on the road starring in Kimberly Akimbo. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Name ten tracks by Sondheim that highlight his love of games and puzzles. That was the challenge posed to me by Donald Feltham, who invited me back to his streaming Broadway Radio Show. We discussed songs like “10 Years Old,” an unproduced gem from the 1960s, “When?” from the TV musical Evening Primrose, “Poems” from Pacific Overtures, and “No More” from “Into the Woods.” We explore Sondheim's attempts to incorporate puzzle elements in his work, including an educational CD-ROM for Into the Woods, and highlights his personal life through the backdrop of his love for parlor games. The closing track, “Finishing the Hat” from Sunday in the Park with George, underscores the intersection of Sondheim's musical genius and his passion for intricate puzzles. Come join our rollcking conversation. Make sure to get the book everywhere books are found, ⁠⁠or click here⁠⁠. 00:00 Introduction and New Year Greetings 00:33 Special Episode Announcement 02:30 Opening with Donald Feltham 03:24 Exploring Sondheim's Unproduced Song 06:36 Evening Primrose: A Hidden Gem 09:24 Pacific Overtures: Cultural Exchange 11:42 Book Promotion and Feedback 15:35 Into the Woods: Musical Puzzles 20:22 Road Show: Life as a Game 22:15 Putting It Together: Parody and Games 28:07 Finishing the Hat: The Creative Process 30:54 Conclusion and Future Plans Special Links: Colm Molloy Ann Morrison Mateo Chavez Lewis Sondheim's 2002 Into the Wood opening night jigsaw puzzle Hear all the Sondheim songs at The Broadway Radio Show Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode: the Musical Stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, our line producer Dennis Caouki, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy and sung by the one only Anne Morrison, currently on the road starring in Kimberly Akimbo. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join the audience at the Museum of the City of New York as Joseph guides them on a tour of How Stephen Sondheim Gamified New York City. The talk explores the unique ways Sondheim incorporated the city into his games and puzzles. Through various anecdotes and historical references, Joseph highlights Sondheim's creative process, from his early board games to intricate treasure hunts and escape rooms. The presentation is enriched with clips from Sondheim's musicals, showcasing how his playful lens extended beyond the stage and into the real-world geography and culture of New York City. The episode emphasizes Sondheim's dual passion for theater and games, inviting the audience to experience New York City anew as an interactive playground. Make sure to get the book everywhere books are found, ⁠⁠or click here⁠⁠. 00:00 Introduction and Presentation Setup 02:26 Welcome to the Museum of the City of New York 03:15 Barry Joseph's Introduction 04:14 Sondheim's New York City Musicals 09:11 Sondheim's Treasure Hunts 12:29 Sondheim's Board Game for Hal Prince 15:32 A Little Night Music Treasure Hunt 17:26 Sondheim's Escape Room Experience 23:24 Sondheim's Cryptic Puzzles 27:57 Jurassic Treasure Hunt at the Museum of Natural History 29:11 Stephen Sondheim's Treasure Hunt Adventure 29:40 Exploring Iconic New York Locations 30:17 Challenges and Decisions in the Library 31:01 Natural History Museum: The Perfect Venue 31:27 Designing the Dinosaur Hall Puzzle 34:29 The Star-Studded Event 35:39 The Murder Game: A Meta-Puzzle 38:05 Sondheim's Puzzle Legacy 41:36 Q&A: Uncovering Sondheim's Hidden Treasures Special Links: Colm Molloy Ann Morrison Mateo Chavez Lewis Museum of the City of New York Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode: the Musical Stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, our line producer Dennis Caouki, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy and sung by the one only Ann Morrison, currently on the road starring in Kimberly Akimbo. Of course, I'd also like to thank Nick Martinez and the whole crew at MCNY. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Steve is Love: Merrily We Play Along Celebrate the upcoming cinematic release of Broadway’s Merrily We Roll Along with this special episode, including an interview with Maria Friedman, the show’s innovative director. Maria shares insights into Sondheim's work, his love for puzzles and games, and how her production managed to solve the notoriously challenging musical. The episode also includes reflections on the autobiographical nature of Sondheim's writing, the role of games like Hostilities in his life and work, and excerpts from the upcoming proshot film release of Merrily We Roll Along. Make sure to get the book everywhere books are found, ⁠⁠or click here⁠⁠. 00:00 Cold Open 00:14 Barry's post-theme opening 05:24 Trailer for Proshot of Merrily 07:03 Barry Interstitial 08:25 Maria Friedman interview: Part 1 15:21 Barry Interstitial 18:56 Excerpt from Podcast 1 analyzing Merrily 25:47 Barry Interstitial 26:04 Maria Friedman interview: Part 2 36:09 Barry's final interstitial Special Links: Colm Molloy Ann Morrison Mateo Chavez Lewis Merrily We Roll Along (movie) Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode: the Musical Stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, our line producer Dennis Caouki, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy and sung by the one only Anne Morrison, currently on the road starring in Kimberly Akimbo. Of course, I'd also like to thank Maria Friedman and the full PR team that made her accessible for my interview. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You are formally invited to my Sondheim game night party, already underway. Join previous guests David Spira, Kellian Adams, and James McCusker as we tackle and explore Sondheim's intricate world of parlor games, such as Running Charades, The Listening Game, Bartletts, Camouflage, Hostilities, and The Murder Game. Discussions touch on game history, clever designs, and the emotional nuances Sondheim orchestrated. Learn why Kellian calls Sondheim an “Ace Human Hacker” and why this is my favorite episode to date! Make sure to get the book everywhere books are found, ⁠⁠or click here⁠⁠. 00:00 Introduction to Matching Minds with Sondheim 00:57 Welcome to the Halloween Party 02:06 First Guests Arrive 04:58 Discussing Parlor Games 08:33 Exploring the Listening Game 14:23 Running Charades: Sondheim's Twist 18:26 Playing Bartletts: A Creative Challenge 27:23 Camouflage: Hidden in Plain Sight 33:57 Introducing the Game 'Hostilities' 34:38 Rules and Mechanics of 'Hostilities' 38:05 Reflecting on the Brutality of 'Hostilities' 47:11 Exploring the Murder Game 58:00 Sondheim's Approach to Game Design 01:03:24 Closing Thoughts and Reflections Special Links: Colm Molloy Ann Morrison Mateo Chavez Lewis Club Drosselmeyer Melissa Errico Sondheim In the City The American Girl's Handy Book Stephen Schiff Richard Maltby, Jr. Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode, specifically the musical stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy, and sung by the one and only Ann Morrison, who created the role of Mary in Merrily We Roll Along. And please welcome our new line producer, Dennis Caouki. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What. An. Episode! This one focuses on Stephen Sondheim's relationship with video games... sort of. This episode is hard to describe. The audio from today comes from a podcast I was a guest on by Dennis Hensley called Dennis Anyone? So is this just a re-podcast? Well, no. This is my own edit of that episode. See, this is what happened: Dennis invited me onto his podcast, then about an hour in his friend joined us. His name is also Dennis. So this episode could be called A Tale of Two Dennis. Let's call him Dennis 2. It turns out Dennis 2 was friends with Sondheim for around 35 years playing digital games with him. In fact, Sondheim would fly Dennis 2 out from LA just for weekend marathon play sessions of games like Myst and Oxyd. The thing is, Dennis 2 had never spoken publicly about his relationship with Sondheim. Even when Sondheim sent his biographer Meryle Secrest in the nineties to interview him. He never spoke about his relationship with Sondheim until this podcast episode, and it was pretty remarkable. Dennis 1 invited me to be both guest and host, so I got to interview Dennis 2 as well. As you know, my book is based on conversations with and information from over 120 people. But other than John Weidman, no one else spoke with me about playing digital games with Sondheim and how it framed their relationship. And no one shared photos with me. Until Dennis 2. It has been quite a trip! so please join me as we revisit it together. Make sure to get the book everywhere books are found, ⁠⁠or click here⁠⁠. 00:00 The Mysterious Invitation 00:43 Introduction to the Episode 01:21 A Tale of Two Dennis 01:32 Sondheim's Gaming Obsession 12:22 The Myst Experience 28:24 Sondheim's Humble Beginnings 30:10 The Last of Sheila: A Lifelong Bond 32:14 Games and Mentorship 35:49 Creative Criticism and Friendship 38:49 The Doctor is Out: A Critical Review 40:55 Sondheim's Puzzle Legacy 45:09 Reflections and Final Thoughts Special Links: Colm Molloy Ann Morrison Mateo Chavez Lewis "Dennis Anyone?" podcast Video of Oxyd in Sondheim’s issue of Games Magazine: https://youtube.com/shorts/A-fnPWuzU0U?feature=shareThanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode, specifically the musical stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy, and sung by Ann Morrison, who created the role of Mary in Merrily We Roll Along. And SPECIAL thanks to both Dennis Osborne and Dennis Hensley! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join us as we unpack the 1973 murder mystery film The Last of Sheila, written by Stephen Sondheim and Anthony Perkins. The discussion features guest James McCusker, a 45-year fan of Sondheim and a college composition professor. They explore the movie's origins, the unique parlor games that inspired the screenplay, and its impact on pop culture. Additional insights are provided by David Leopold from the Al Hirschfeld Foundation, highlighting Hirschfeld's unique promotional artwork for the film. The episode concludes by examining the film's game design elements and how they reflect Sondheim's creative mind. Make sure to get the book everywhere books are found, ⁠⁠or click here⁠⁠. 00:00 Introduction to The Last of Sheila 01:26 Meet the Hosts: Barry and James 02:39 Origins of The Last of Sheila 05:02 Sondheim and Perkins: A Creative Partnership 13:52 The Games in The Last of Sheila 23:41 Exploring the Mysteries in Sheila 31:13 Clinton's Game and the Broken Pattern 32:23 The True Purpose of Clinton's Party 34:59 The Promotion and Press Book 36:23 Al Hirschfeld's Contribution 48:31 The Impact of 'The Last of Sheila' 53:53 Sondheim's Puzzle Design Values 57:10 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Special Links: Colm Molloy Ann Morrison Mateo Chavez Lewis The Al Hirschfeld Foundation Hirschfeld's Sondheim: A Poster Book Animation from Sondheim’s notes at the Library of Congress that create a crossword grid of the actor’s names. The Last of Sheila production short Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode, specifically the musical stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy, and sung by the one and only Ann Morrison, who created the role of Mary in Merrily We Roll Along. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Barry Joseph and guests walk through Sondheim’s final treasure hunt. Guests Kellian Adams Pletcher, a game designer at FableVision Studios, and Robert Lee, a faculty member and current chair of NYU's Tisch School of the Arts Graduate Musical Theatre Writing Program, join Barry to analyze and discuss Sondheim's love for treasure hunts. Together they explore his design of the 2013 City Center Treasure Hunt and the engaging experiences created for friends. The episode features anecdotes from participants in the 2013 City Center treasure hunt (Marty Granoff, Erin Ortman, Alexander Gemignani) highlighting Sondheim's genius in creating these immersive and fun-filled games. It also features analysis from those Joseph brought together to solve them for his book ( Andrew Parr, Jess Butler, Michael Mitnick, Mark Halpin, Richard Malty Jr.) in a half-day “re-staging”. Listen to learn more about Sondheim's playful side, his intellectual generosity, and the intricate puzzles that made his hunts legendary. Make sure to get the book everywhere books are found, ⁠⁠or click here⁠⁠. 00:00 Introduction to Matching Minds with Sondheim 01:15 Meet the Guests: Kellian Adams Pletcher and Robert Lee 02:28 Robert Lee's Journey with Sondheim and Games 06:19 Kellian's Early Love for Treasure Hunts 07:56 Stephen Sondheim's 2013 City Center Treasure Hunt 11:38 The Mechanics of the Treasure Hunt 20:51 Reflections on Sondheim's Puzzle Design 34:28 Exploring Ballroom Game Formats 34:55 Debating Sondheim's Puzzle Intentions 36:50 Diving into the Clues 38:16 The Thrill of Solving Puzzles 39:49 Sondheim's Puzzle Design Philosophy 41:32 The Grid and Grill Puzzle Challenge 43:17 Inclusivity in Puzzle Design 44:37 Solving Clue Number 12 48:57 Reflecting on Sondheim's Legacy 59:35 Final Thoughts and Farewell Special Links: Colm Molloy Ann Morrison Mateo Chavez Lewis Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode, specifically transcription and text editing by Jenny Westfall, the musical stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy, and sung by the one and only Ann Morrison, who created the role of Mary in Merrily We Roll Along. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join us as we revisit the historic, jaw-dropping June 18th, 2024, Doyle Auction featuring items from the collection of Steven Sondheim. The episode explores the special day through interviews by Barry Joseph with guests Grace O'Keefe, Michael Mitnick, and Pat D’Amico, who share their experiences and emotional journeys related to Sondheim memorabilia. The discussion covers the auction's catalog, its exhibit, the auction day, and the aftermath. Highlights include personal stories, bidding wars, and the unique community of Sondheim enthusiasts that emerged, spreading the iconic artist’s legacy in meaningful ways. Make sure to get the book everywhere books are found, ⁠⁠or click here⁠⁠. 00:00 Introduction to Matching Minds with Sondheim 00:52 Meet the Guests: Grace, Michael, and Pat 02:36 The Auction Overview: Catalog, Exhibit, Auction, Aftermath 03:37 Chapter One: The Auction Catalog 12:22 Chapter Two: The Exhibit 18:57 Chapter Three: The Auction Begins 23:26 The Auction Room Buzz 23:59 Bidding Stories and Experiences 24:37 Online Bidding Challenges 25:47 Winning and Losing at the Auction 28:03 The Long Auction Day 29:10 Grace's Mission for Tarot Cards 31:23 The Auction's Grand Finale 32:59 The Aftermath and Community Spirit 41:17 Personal Reflections and New Beginnings 45:22 Closing Remarks and Future Plans Special Links: Pat’s Estate Sale 2: For the Rest of Us Results from Sondheim auction Full pdf of the Dolye auction lots Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode, specifically transcription and text editing by Jenny Westfall, the musical stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy, and sung by the one and only Ann Morrison, who created the role of Mary in Merrily We Roll Along. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Host Barry Joseph explores the profound connection between Stephen Sondheim and jigsaw puzzles. Joined by guests Michael Mitnick, an ardent collector of Sondheim memorabilia, and David Spira, co-creator of roomescapeartists.com, the trio delves into Sondheim's metaphorical view of puzzles in relation to art. The discussion spans from the unique jigsaw puzzles in Sondheim's collection, including promotional puzzles for his film 'The Last of Sheila,' to the custom-made puzzles he gave as opening night gifts for his Broadway shows. Through anecdotes and historical insights, this episode reveals how jigsaw puzzles reflect Sondheim's intricate mind and his attention to detail in both life and art. This is the promised link to the photo discussed in this episode of Sondheim's wall of jigsaw puzzles in his Danbury CT home. Make sure to get the book everywhere books are found, ⁠⁠or click here⁠⁠. 00:00 Introduction to Matching Minds with Sondheim 00:57 Sondheim's Philosophy on Jigsaw Puzzles 01:30 Meet the Guests: Michael Mitnick and David Spira 02:04 Exploring Sondheim's Jigsaw Puzzle Collection 03:26 The Gold Boxes: The Last of Sheila 09:08 The Blue Boxes: Stave Puzzles 14:25 The White Boxes: Customized Stave Puzzles 17:38 Sondheim's Legacy and Personal Reflections 35:23 Conclusion and Credits Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode, specifically transcription and text editing by Jenny Westfall, the musical stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy, and sung by the one and only Ann Morrison, who created the role of Mary in Merrily We Roll Along. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices