Men of Steel

This week, Case and Jmike are joined by Jim Fetters of Long Live the Legion to explore Legends of Dead Earth: Superboy, a wild 1996 annual that imagines an Aztec-inspired world where Superman's legacy has been twisted by power, greed, and ego. We discuss corrupt mentors, future myths, Quetzalcoatl, evil Superman vibes that feel surprisingly ahead of their time, and a new Superboy determined to reclaim what the symbol should mean! Support us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: June 19, 2026 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Gen Moonen Certain Point Of View is a podcast network brining you all sorts of nerdy goodness! From Star Wars role playing, to Disney day dreaming, to video game love, we've got the show for you! Learn more on our website: https://www.certainpov.com Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/wcHHer4 PODCAST SHOWS: ▶ Men Of Steel - https://www.certainpov.com/men-of-steel​ FOLLOW US: ▶ Twitter: @certainpovmedia @menofsteelpod ▶ Instagram: @certainpovmedia ⏱️ YouTube Chapters 00:00 – The Goatee of Evil 00:57 – Introduction & Jim Fetters Returns 03:02 – Annual Events, Bloodlines Trauma & Comic Book Weirdness 07:31 – Jmike Explains the Story 12:13 – Invincible Comparisons & Evil Superman Archetypes 15:58 – Cover Art, Costume Design & Whitewashing Concerns 19:16 – Setting Up the Legends of Dead Earth World 23:27 – Earth Falls & the Birth of a New Mythology 26:12 – Quetzalcoatl, Aztec Influences & Superman Symbolism 28:53 – Meet Quetzal, the Future Superboy 29:30 – Breaking Down the Evil Superman Design 33:35 – Superboy Training Begins 35:20 – T'Challa & the World's Anti-Meta Sexism 37:44 – The Dam Rescue and Superman's Creepy Reward 40:22 – Superman's Protection Racket 42:35 – Andrew Tate Superman 44:16 – The Original Superman Reveals the Truth 47:02 – The Meta Games Begin 50:16 – Superman Manipulates Superboy Into a Duel 53:34 – The Plan to Expose Superman 54:29 – Superman Beats the Hell Out of Superboy 55:20 – The Quetzalcoatl Hoax 57:32 – A Literal Deus Ex Machina 58:52 – A New Legend Begins 59:42 – What Worked and What Didn't 01:01:15 – Compressed Storytelling vs Modern Comics 01:05:49 – Jmike's Final Thoughts 01:08:14 – Is Superman Just a Dick? 01:09:49 – Ranking the Legends of Dead Earth Stories 01:10:12 – Jim's Final Review 01:11:42 – Quetzalcoatl, Mythology & Tom Strong 01:14:13 – Where to Find Jim & Long Live the Legion 01:19:16 – Patreon Shout-Outs 01:20:56 – Next Episode Tease & Outro

In this episode of Men of Steel, Case flies solo for a truly super conversation with Paul Kaminski, Superman Group Editor at DC Comics. From current titles to legacy influences, Paul shares behind-the-scenes insights on shaping the world of Superman across books, teams, and timelines. Whether you're a die-hard fan or just curious how the cape stays iconic decade after decade, this one's for you! Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: September 12, 2025 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Geoff Moonen Certain Point Of View is a podcast network brining you all sorts of nerdy goodness! From Star Wars role playing, to Disney day dreaming, to video game love, we've got the show for you! Learn more on our website: https://www.certainpov.com Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/wcHHer4 PODCAST SHOWS: ▶ Men Of Steel - https://www.certainpov.com/men-of-steel​ FOLLOW US: ▶ Twitter: @certainpovmedia @menofsteelpod ▶ Instagram: @certainpovmedia ▶ Website: https://www.certainpov.com Overview Paul Kaminski oversees Superman titles and other major DC Comics characters as Group Editor for Metropolis Group, leveraging 17 years of industry experience. Kaminski's entry into comics was inspired by classic series and publications, shaping his understanding of the comic creation process at an early age. The Superman editorial philosophy combines elements from various iconic eras, emphasizing a vision inspired by the 90s Animated Series and Fleischer cartoons. A unified visual style for the Super Family has been implemented, with distinct designs to maintain Superman's uniqueness within the group. Current Superman publishing strategy includes three core titles, each catering to different narratives, with significant arcs like Action #1100 planned for fall 2026. The Legion of Darkseid storyline is a pivotal upcoming focus across Superman issues, essential for the future of DC Comics. Kaminski champions Atomic Skull as an underutilized villain, highlighting previous successful narratives like Phil Jimenez's Superwoman work. Plans for Zod storylines are in development, with original concepts influenced by sci-fi classics like Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan. He advises artists to specialize in genres and network at conventions, while encouraging writers to start with smaller companies or licensed comics. Kaminski addresses misconceptions about creators' intentions, advocating for fans to read comics with an open mind regarding character developments. Notes ‍️ Paul Kaminski's Background and Role (01:50 - 11:15) Paul Kaminski serves as Group Editor for Metropolis Group at DC Comics, overseeing Superman titles, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Flash, Green Arrow, and Justice League. DC Comics currently operates three editorial groups: Metropolis Group, Gotham Group, and newly formed Themyscira Group led by Brittany Holzer. Kaminski has 17 years of experience in comics industry, starting at Archie Comics and working on Sonic the Hedgehog before joining DC in 2015. Getting Into Comics and Career Development (03:09 - 12:31) Kaminski's entry into comics began with X-Men animated series at age 7-8, followed by purchasing Wolverine #76 and Death of Superman trade paperback. Pizza Hut X-Men video featuring Bob Harris, Fabian Nicieza, and Scott Lobdell was formative in understanding comic creation process. Early editorial experience involved learning hands-on approach vs. hands-off approach to editing, with first major lesson being 'editing is not writing the comic yourself.' ‍️ Superman Editorial Philosophy and Approach (19:23 - 20:46) Kaminski's Superman vision draws from 90s Animated Series, combining elements of Fleischer cartoons, George Reeves TV show, and Triangle Era comics. Hired Joshua Williamson as writer for Superman relaunch based on their successful collaboration on Dark Crisis. Selected Jamal Campbell as artist after being impressed by his work on Naomi, particularly Superman fight scene. Super Family Organization and Visual Identity (32:03 - 32:03) Implemented unified visual style for Super Family with matching jackets designed by Dan Mora, inspired by Jim Lee's X-Men era. Action Comics #1051 cover serves as mission statement for organized Super Family approach. Superman intentionally remains only cape-wearing member to maintain visual distinction within the family. Current and Future Superman Publishing Strategy (13:51 - 40:27) Three core Superman titles serve different purposes: Superman (future/All-In storylines), Superman Unlimited (present-day Kryptonite kingdom stories), Action Comics (past/Superboy canonical stories). Action #1100 is being planned for fall 2026 with major story arc. Legion of Darkseid storyline spans Superman issues #28-30 as crucial future DC direction. ‍️ Character Development and Villain Preferences (36:00 - 39:04) Strong advocacy for Atomic Skull as underutilized villain, praising Phil Jimenez's rehabilitation storyline in Superwoman. Plans brewing for Zod storylines with hints being dropped across current issues. 'Kneel Before Zod' book was originally inspired by Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan approach, even approaching director Nick Meyer to write it. Industry Advice and Misconceptions (16:39 - 43:08) For artists: Focus on specific genre specialization and build community networks through conventions and local studios. For writers: Target small companies first, pursue licensed comics as entry point, especially Star Trek. Biggest fan misconception: Creators aren't intentionally trying to destroy favorite characters - encourages reading comics 'in good faith.'

This week on Men of Steel, Case and Jmike are joined by writer and critic Jesse Fresco to dig into the early 2000s series Cla$$War. We unpack the political fury, superhero deconstruction, and lasting relevance of this overlooked gem from the Bush-era boom in gritty, socially charged comics. #MenOfSteelPod #Cla$$War #RobWilliams #SupermanAdjacent #JesseFresco #ComicsPodcast Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: August 15, 2025 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Geoff Moonen Certain Point Of View is a podcast network brining you all sorts of nerdy goodness! From Star Wars role playing, to Disney day dreaming, to video game love, we've got the show for you! Learn more on our website: https://www.certainpov.com Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/wcHHer4 Overview Class War comic serves as a political commentary on post-9/11 America, initially conceived as a 12-issue series but only 6 issues were published between 2002 and 2004. Writer Rob Williams influenced by Bill Hicks and Marvel's Miracle Man, blending humor with serious themes of government superhero programs. Characters feature a Superman-like hero and an Enola Gay team reflecting various archetypes, but backstory is minimal focusing more on action. The commentary emphasizes American superheroes as 'deterrents' entangled in corruption and drug operations rather than showcasing true class conflict. Artwork utilized innovative computer coloring for the early 2000s, with notable scenes praised for their intensity and execution. The series is linked to broader cultural events, including the Patriot Act and militarized entertainment, creating a lasting impact on the genre. Story arcs reveal escalating tensions, ending ambiguously without showing direct conflict or resolution in the finale. Hosts reflect on the comic's themes feeling 'adolescent' today, yet resonate with current events like rising political tensions and violence. Class War recommended alongside classics like The Authority and Superman/Batman: Public Enemies, highlighted for its unfinished nature and mystique. The discussion underscores a shift in superhero portrayals, questioning the effectiveness of traditional heroes in the current socio-political landscape. Notes ️ Introduction and Setup (00:00 - 09:36) Discussion of Class War comic as political commentary on post-9/11 America, described as 'what if Superman was pissed off about 9/11'. Jesse Fresco returns after Jaguar Sharks podcast ended in January, currently working on a novel after crossing 200 pages. Class War intended as 12-issue series but only 6 issues published - first 3 in 2002, final 3 in 2004 by Com X publisher. Notable art style change between Trevor Harrison (issues 1-3) and Travel Foreman (issues 4-6), both considered high quality for indie publication. Historical Context and Influences (09:36 - 18:49) Comic written before 9/11 but published after, coincidentally capturing post-9/11 American sentiment perfectly. Received major attention from Wizard magazine and early comic websites despite being small indie publication. Writer Rob Williams heavily influenced by comedian Bill Hicks, directly copying Kennedy assassination joke in comic. Williams cited Marvel Man/Miracle Man as major influence, both featuring government superhero programs with Nazi scientist connections. ‍️ Character Analysis and Comic Structure (18:49 - 27:56) Superman-type character design with mostly white bodysuit, blue stripe, and star pattern - described as 'patriotic Apollo'. Minimal backstory provided beyond brief flashback showing protagonist's brother died of heroin overdose. Enola Gay superhero team includes The American, Heavyweight (Luke Cage-type), Icon (Wonder Woman analog), and Confusion (psychic character). ️ Political Commentary and Themes (27:56 - 38:02) Reveals American superheroes used as 'deterrents' rather than weapons, involved in drug trafficking operations. Despite title 'Class War,' actual class conflict rarely shown - more focused on government corruption than economic inequality. Problematic portrayal of Black character written by British creators, described as 'Mike Tyson as super soldier'. Art and Production Quality (38:02 - 48:12) Utilized cutting-edge computer coloring and gradients that were revolutionary for early 2000s comics. Heavyweight vs American battle particularly praised, featuring brutal jaw-punching scene later parodied by Garth Ennis. Com X publisher folded after initial run, Image Comics later acquired reprint rights. Cultural Impact and Comparisons (48:12 - 58:18) Frequently compared to Warren Ellis's Authority series despite Williams claiming unfamiliarity. Influenced Garth Ennis's The Boys, Warren Ellis's Black Summer, and Mark Millar's War Heroes. Part of broader cultural shift including 'freedom fries,' Patriot Act, and militarized entertainment. Story Structure Analysis (58:19 - 01:08:43) Issue 1 - Superman burns 'LIAR' into President's forehead; Issue 2 - Heavyweight fight; Issue 3 - Bridge episode; Issues 4-6 - Government conspiracy revelation. Series ends with American and Isaac preparing for civil war, never showing actual conflict or resolution. Heavyweight confirmed killed by shield weapon, Jefferson transforms into monster. ️ Modern Relevance Discussion (01:08:44 - 01:18:51) Comic feels 'adolescent' and 'naive' when read today, but captured appropriate anger for its time. Hosts discuss how recent events (CEO shooting, political tensions) make comic's themes more relevant. Question whether Superman-type heroes work in current political climate versus Punisher-style vigilantes. Conclusion and Recommendations (01:18:52 - 01:25:43) Recommended alongside The Authority, Garth Ennis's 303, and Superman/Batman: Public Enemies. Better remembered as unfinished work with mystique than potentially disappointing completion. Plugs for CPOV Media Patreon, Movie Struck podcast, and Discord community.

There's a new Superman movie out so OBVIOUSLY we're covering it! It's a big enough deal that we even got CPOV Founder Addy Thomas to come out of podcast retirement and join us for the main discussion! On top of that we solicited feedback from our listeners and, boy, did they deliver! Tune in for our thoughts and the thoughts of: Alex Ramsey Ben Haslar Derek Van Dyke Ed Gross JD Martin Jesse Fresco Jim Fetters Keith Lehtinen Lee Greger Logan Crowley Matt aka Stormageddon Michael Stumbo Nic Woolfe Richard Snyder Ryan Luis Rodriguez

Supergirl crashes to Earth, and we're ready to talk fashion, fights, and Fourth World politics. Joined by Alex and Amanda from Night of the Batman, we revisit the iconic Superman/Batman arc "The Supergirl From Krypton" and its animated adaptation "Superman/Batman: Apocalypse", but which version flies higher? Check out Alex and Amanda's stuff: SSYSK LINK: https://www.youtube.com/@SuperheroSYSK FLASHBACKS FLASH REWATCH POD: youtube.com/@flashbacksflashrewatchpod?si=y_c_SHnI9bKwu-Qz NIGHT OF THE BATMEN: open.spotify.com/show/1od04JzRbU9OrePOyVbeOx?si=qRzXtTAcSjWholUYhjLRpw OUR CROSSOVER WITH MEN OF STEEL: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/night-of-the-batmen-podcast/id1663635355?i=1000674213822 REVIEWMORE GIRLS GILMORE GIRLS REWATCH POD: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zhmdEqCNHiBqptKLpMuD8?si=qdTx5-D4QNa6T0NGs5fKRw TANGENTIAL EXCHANGE POD: https://youtube.com/@thetangentialexchange6469?si=w2V6sZ2meB6ANLqQ Overview Case criticized the decompressed storytelling in the comic, contrasting it with the more engaging 'Many Happy Returns' Supergirl story from 2022. Discussion highlighted Michael Turner's art style, emphasizing the influence of early 2000s teenage fashion depicted in character designs. Hosts noted that the first issue could have been condensed significantly, criticizing its pacing and structure. Superman's omitted kryptonite quarantine subplot from the movie adaptation raised concerns about character depth. Tim Daly and Kevin Conroy received praise for reprising their iconic roles, while mixed reviews were given to Ed Asner and Andre Brauer's performances. A debate on Wonder Woman's training methods questioned the conflict resolution techniques used within the storyline. Criticism arose over the implausibility of Batman defeating a Doomsday clone in the action sequences, situating him against a powerful foe. The significance of Superman's kryptonite ring was analyzed, noting its implications on comic book continuity. The final Darkseid battle was deemed as unnecessary padding, detracting from the story's overall quality. Overall assessment categorized the comic as "mid" quality, recommending it over the movie for improved pacing and dialogue. Notes ️ Opening & Introduction (00:00 - 11:18) Podcast introduction and guest welcome from Night of the Batman podcast Discussion of second major Superman Batman story arc following their previous crossover episode on Public Enemies Case's initial criticism of the comic's decompressed storytelling, comparing it unfavorably to the earlier 'Many Happy Returns' Supergirl story that came out 1.5 years prior Analysis of Jeph Loeb's writing style and tendency to retell existing stories, with comparison to Long Halloween vs. Eye of the Beholder Art Style & Character Design Discussion (06:02 - 22:24) Michael Turner's artwork analysis, particularly his portrayal of Supergirl and the male gaze perspective in character design Debate over teenage fashion authenticity in early 2000s, with specific mention of Degrassi character Manny's influence on style choices Case's personal reflection on aging out of the target demographic at 22-23 years old when the comic was released Discussion of Batman's visual design and 'toyetic' appeal of his various gear throughout the story Story Structure & Pacing Analysis (15:32 - 33:23) Critique of first issue's extreme decompression - could have been condensed to 5 pages according to hosts Analysis of Superman's quarantine subplot from kryptonite exposure, which was omitted from the movie adaptation Discussion of Batman's characterization and his collection of various colored kryptonite Comparison of Supergirl's introduction sequence between comic and movie versions Character Development & Voice Acting (33:23 - 44:32) Praise for Tim Daly and Kevin Conroy reprising their animated series roles in the movie Mixed reactions to Ed Asner as Granny Goodness and criticism of Andre Brauer's rushed Darkseid performance Analysis of Krypto's characterization as more aggressive than traditional versions Discussion of Superman's uncharacteristically irrational behavior throughout the story ️ Plot Development & Action Sequences (44:32 - 01:06:47) Wonder Woman and Amazons' training approach debate, including the problematic conflict resolution method Analysis of the Doomsday army sequence and its implausibility - criticism of Batman defeating a Doomsday clone Discussion of Big Barda's introduction and her height representation differences between comic and movie Trinity argument analysis, particularly Superman's inappropriate Jason Todd/Donna Troy comment Apocalypse Arc & Final Battle (01:06:48 - 01:18:02) Female Furies fight sequence comparison between mediums Batman's confrontation with Darkseid using hellspore threat as leverage Analysis of Superman's kryptonite ring usage and its comic book continuity Critique of final Darkseid battle as unnecessary padding for story length Discussion of ending differences between comic (heroic sacrifice) vs. movie (extended fight) Final Analysis & Recommendations (01:18:02 - 01:24:29) Overall assessment: story is 'mid' quality, overly decompressed for the content Recommendation to read comic over watching movie due to better pacing and dialogue Acknowledgment that 4 issues would have been optimal length instead of 6 Recognition of story's influence on modern Supergirl characterization going forward

Marvel's Most Wanted are here to deliver some Justice like Lightning! Case and Jmike reflect on the latest MCU entry, Thunderbolts*, with friend of the show, Joe Mastropiero. Overview In the latest episode of the podcast, hosts Case Aiken and Jmike Folson, along with guest Joe Mastropiero, delve into Marvel's Thunderbolts movie, connecting its themes to the recently released Superman trailer. They discuss the film's characters, including Yelena, Bucky, and the controversial Sentry, addressing how the characters' darker backstories lend themselves to a redemption arc that deviates from their comic origins. The hosts explore the movie's structure, its exploration of trauma through the lens of the Void character, and the significance of the Superman archetype in modern storytelling, highlighting a potential cultural shift towards more hopeful narratives. The episode concludes with updates about the podcast, including upcoming episodes and ways for listeners to engage through Discord and Patreon, while emphasizing the importance of community interaction in discussing these themes. Notes Introduction and Superman Trailer Discussion (00:00 - 15:45) Hosts Case Aiken and Jmike Folson welcome guest Joe Mastropiero to discuss Marvel's Thunderbolts movie The hosts explained the Superman connection to Thunderbolts: the Sentry character is a Superman analog The group discussed the recently released Superman trailer featuring David Corenswet Logan Crowley provided audio commentary praising the trailer's rural American portrayal of the Kents The trailer shows Lois Lane interviewing Clark Kent and Superman's moral conflict with authority figures Group discussed potential Justice Society appearance and Nicholas Hoult as Lex Luthor Thunderbolts Team History and Setup (15:46 - 29:34) Original Thunderbolts comic (1996) featured villains disguised as heroes after mainstream heroes disappeared The comic team was led by Baron Zemo with members including Moonstone, Atlas, Mach 1, and Songbird The team evolved over time from redemption-seeking villains to government ops team (similar to Suicide Squad) The movie roster differs significantly from comic versions, causing initial fan confusion The Sentry character is a controversial Superman analog with bipolar disorder and a dark alter ego called 'The Void' The Sentry has extreme power levels that create storytelling challenges in the Marvel universe Movie Characters Review: Part 1 (29:35 - 49:41) Yelena (Florence Pugh): Burned-out assassin who serves as the audience viewpoint character Bucky (Sebastian Stan): Former Winter Soldier, moved away from his congressman storyline Red Guardian (David Harbour): Soviet super-soldier who brings enthusiasm and comic relief Ghost (Hannah John-Kamen): Character with phasing abilities who had plot elements removed Taskmaster: Briefly appears in the film but is killed early to establish stakes All characters are government-created weapons now without masters, seeking purpose Movie Characters Review: Part 2 (49:42 - 01:00:08) US Agent (Wyatt Russell): Portrayed as a physically powerful but unlikeable douchebag Val (Julia Louis-Dreyfus): Manipulative politician/spymaster who brings the team together Mel: Character who unexpectedly survives despite seeming setup for death Bob/Sentry (Lewis Pullman): Mild-mannered man who transforms into the golden-costumed Sentry The Void manifestation was effectively portrayed through shadow effects and 'Hiroshima-style shadows' The film effectively handles Sentry's extreme power levels by keeping him sidelined for most of the story ️ Movie Structure and Themes (01:00:10 - 01:10:23) Film has strong setup and payoff elements with well-structured action sequences Team is brought together when 'they are the evidence' that needs to be eliminated The movie differs from expectations of being a Suicide Squad-type government contract story The Void serves as vehicle for showing characters' trauma and psychological issues Despite differences from comics, film maintains core theme of redemption for characters with dark pasts Characters take on 'New Avengers' name by the end, connecting to comic history Superman Archetype Discussion (01:10:26 - 01:21:42) Discussion about why both dark and hopeful Superman archetypes resonate with audiences Joe highlighted importance of Superman's moral compass coming from supportive family/community Dark Superman versions explore 'what if' scenarios without those support structures The group noted a possible cultural shift toward desiring more hopeful superhero stories after a period of darker interpretations Century briefly shows Superman-like qualities before reverting to darker nature Film effectively portrays the burden of power on someone with mental health issues Show Updates and Promotion (01:21:43 - 01:27:49) Case announced upcoming Men of Steel episodes (#146-150) including Hulk vs Superman and Supergirl from Krypton The hosts promoted their Discord community as the best way for listeners to interact with them Men of Steel now has a Patreon at patreon.com/certainpovmedia with various support tiers Case thanked their first ten executive producer-level supporters by name Carter Hallett Sean Muir Lee Greger Memento Young Logan Crowley Joe Mastropiero Casey Aiken Nancy Aiken Adam Samtur Keith Lehtinen Case mentioned writing essays for Patreon subscribers (even at free tier) Final promotion for 'We Have Issues' podcast reviewing weekly comic releases Action items Listeners Join the Men of Steel Discord to interact with hosts and discuss the Superman trailer and Thunderbolts (01:21:42) Check out and possibly support the show's new Patreon at patreon.com/certainpovmedia (01:23:07) Case Aiken Schedule essay releases more consistently on Patreon going forward (01:25:57) Complete and release the Naomi episode that was previously mentioned

Case and Jmike are joined by Ed Gross to talk about his books on Superman! Voices From Krypton Superman: The Definitive History Overview In this engaging podcast interview, hosts Case Aiken and Jmike welcome Ed Gross, a prolific author known for his in-depth oral histories, particularly focusing on Superman. The conversation begins with an exploration of Ed's background and his extensive work, including the recently released 'The Definitive History of Superman' and the ambitious 'Voices from Krypton,' which features insights from 250 interviews. Ed shares the intricate process behind creating oral histories, akin to piecing together a jigsaw puzzle, while delving into the complex history of Superman's creators, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster. The dialogue highlights Ed's personal connection to Superman and discusses the legacy of the character, as well as his experiences interviewing various actors who have portrayed Superman. The episode concludes with an announcement of a book giveaway to the listeners, further engaging the audience with Ed's work. Notes Introduction to Ed Gross and His Superman Projects (00:00 - 11:37) Case Aiken and Jmike welcome guest Ed Gross to discuss his Superman books. Ed wrote 'Voices from Krypton,' an oral history of Superman that includes interviews with Case. Ed recently completed 'The Definitive History of Superman.' Ed explains his background in oral histories, starting with Star Trek's 50th anniversary in 2015. Oral histories allow presentation of multiple perspectives, including conflicting views. Ed has written 14 books in 9 years, including oral histories of Star Trek, Star Wars, James Bond. 'Voices from Krypton' was a dream project that utilized 40 years of Ed's interviews. Creating Oral Histories and Superman's Legacy (11:37 - 22:26) Ed explains his process for creating oral histories, comparing it to assembling a jigsaw puzzle. Interviews are structured to tell a coherent story while maintaining authentic voices. The book includes 250 interviews in total, creating a 333,000-word, 750-page tome. The Siegel and Shuster story was the most challenging section to research and balance. Ed spent four months researching court papers and interviewing relatives to tell their story fairly. Ed discusses how the creators eventually received credit for Superman before they died. Superman has appeared in some form of production every decade since 1938. ️ Superman's Creation and Complex History (22:26 - 32:30) Ed compares Siegel and Shuster's work-for-hire situation to actors in Gilligan's Island and Star Trek. Despite selling rights for 130, Siegel and Shuster made equivalent of 6 million in first nine years. Ed highlights Neil Adams' significant role in advocating for Superman's creators. Ed discusses his personal connection to Superman since age 5. Superman remains one of Ed's lifetime obsessions alongside Star Trek, Beatles, James Bond. Ed notes he can trace his lifelong interests to a five-year period in his childhood (1967-1972). Ed expresses gratitude for being able to write about his childhood passions professionally. Superman: The Definitive History Book (32:30 - 43:07) Ed was approached to create official Superman history after 'Voices from Krypton' success. Initial deadline was only four months but was extended. Ed co-wrote with Bob Greenberger, who handled comic book history sections. The official book features extensive artwork including comics, production art, storyboards. Book is oversized (16 pounds) and retails for 175 (Amazon 157). Kindle version available for $19.99. Ed discusses his interactions with Brandon Routh, who wrote the foreword. Brandon embodies Superman's principles in real life, especially when interacting with fans. Superman Actors and Future Projects (43:07 - 54:25) Ed has interviewed numerous Superman actors including Dean Cain, George Newbern, Tim Daly. Shares story of meeting Henry Cavill before Man of Steel and being struck by his Superman-like appearance. Ed is currently working on second volume of Planet of the Apes oral history. Ed mentions working on more Superman projects but can't discuss specifics yet. Every person interviewed was enthusiastic about discussing Superman. Ed shares anecdote about Kevin Smith's enthusiasm regarding a childhood Superman game. People recognize being part of Superman's 86-year legacy. Podcast hosts announce giveaway of Ed's book to Discord members. Action items Case Aiken First three people to DM Case on Discord will receive copies of Ed's book (52:22)

Case and Jmike are joined by Micah McCaw to assess the Symbolism Supreme in Alan Moore's Supreme Story of the Year. Overview In episode 141 of the Men of Steel podcast, hosts Case Aiken and Jmike Folson, alongside guest Micah McCaw, delve into Alan Moore's influential 12-issue run on Supreme, titled "Supreme: The Story of the Year." They highlight the comic's groundbreaking nature upon its release in the mid-90s, reimagining Supreme—a character initially created by Rob Liefeld and akin to Superman—by incorporating innovative storytelling techniques, such as in-universe "revisions" of the character and comments on comic book history. The discussion spans various aspects of the series, including its artistic evolution through different illustrators and the provocative themes surrounding superhero relationships and villains. Notably, the podcast emphasizes Moore's ability to blend humor with meta-narrative elements while maintaining continuity amidst complex plotlines, ultimately positioning Supreme as a celebrated reconstruction of traditional superhero narratives. As the hosts reflect on its significance, they recommend further explorations of Moore's work, ensuring listeners are left with a comprehensive appreciation for the series and its impact on the comic book landscape. Notes Introduction to Supreme (00:50 - 11:43) Case Aiken and Jmike Folson host the Men of Steel podcast with guest Micah McCaw The episode discusses Alan Moore's 12-issue run on Supreme, also known as 'Supreme: The Story of the Year' The comic was published in 1995-1996 and was considered groundbreaking at the time Supreme is described as a thinly veiled Superman analog with similar powers and characteristics The hosts discuss how the book remained cutting edge for 20 years but now feels more commonplace ‍️ History of Supreme (11:43 - 25:55) Supreme was originally created by Rob Liefeld as part of Image Comics' launch Before Alan Moore, Supreme was an amoral, extremely powerful character (a Superman analog) Moore took over with issue #41 and completely reimagined the character The comic features regular flashbacks to different eras of comics, parodying Superman's timeline The art style shifts between contemporary and classic/retro depending on the time period shown Art and Creative Teams (25:55 - 35:04) Joe Bennett was the main artist, who would later work on Immortal Hulk Rick Veitch created the flashback sequences with distinct period-appropriate art styles Chris Sprouse joins as artist later in the run (only one issue in this collection) Alex Ross created promotional art and cover designs for Supreme The hosts note that the art quality is inconsistent throughout the series The Revision Concept (35:04 - 45:50) The comic introduces 'revisions' - an in-universe explanation for continuity changes Supreme visits the 'Supremacy' where all previous versions of himself exist after being revised out The concept explains why comic characters change over time The hosts discuss the meta-narrative of comics existing within a comics universe Ethan Crane (Supreme's alter ego) works as a comic artist in his civilian identity Supreme's Universe (45:50 - 57:54) The Citadel Supreme is Supreme's Fortress of Solitude equivalent The Allied Supremes of America is the Justice Society/Justice League analog Supreme has his own version of supporting characters like Lois Lane (Diana Dane) The book features extensive flashbacks to previous eras of comics history Issue #44 features EC Comics-style horror hosts challenging superheroes, explaining why heroes fell out of favor Supernatural Elements (57:54 - 01:06:50) Supreme's origin involves exposure to a radioactive meteor (Supremium) The League of Infinity includes heroes from throughout time periods including Achilles, Bill Hickok, and Aladdin The book includes various dimensions including the Hell of Mirrors and Amolinth (a photo world) The creative use of Supreme's powers includes his 'consciousness expanding' rather than using telescopic vision Goral the Living Galaxy serves as a Galactus-type cosmic entity Relationships and Romance (01:06:50 - 01:17:03) Issue #50 explores Supreme's dating life and potential relationships Three scenarios show why relationships don't work for superheroes: domestication, exploitation, or conflict Diana Dane is positioned as Supreme's potential love interest The issue offers meta-commentary on why superheroes rarely maintain stable relationships Chris Sprouse's art in this issue is praised as superior to earlier issues Villains and Antagonists (01:17:03 - 01:26:08) Darius Dax is Supreme's Lex Luthor equivalent and main antagonist The comic features various counterparts to Superman's rogues gallery Shadow Supreme serves as a negative version of the hero Optilux is a living light being with significant powers The heroes face challenges they can't simply punch their way through ⏳ Time Loop Concept (01:26:08 - 01:36:03) The comic features a time loop where Darius Dax becomes the meteor that gives Supreme his powers Supreme sees his past self, creating a stable time loop The hosts note that while time loops are common now, this was innovative in the mid-90s The League of Infinity adds to the time travel elements The hosts discuss how Moore keeps continuity coherent despite complex timeline issues Meta-Commentary (01:36:04 - 01:45:32) The comic constantly references and comments on comics history Characters discuss the structure of comic books while living in one The book reconstructs superhero tropes rather than deconstructing them (unlike Watchmen) Alan Moore is described as being on an 'apology tour' for how Watchmen changed comics The series acknowledges and pokes fun at comic book conventions while embracing them Final Plot Developments (01:45:32 - 01:54:22) Judy Jordan and her 'granddaughter' Hilda visit Citadel Supreme The drawing created by Hilda is revealed to be part of Darius Dax's plan Dax transfers his consciousness into Judy's body through nano-dust Supreme is trapped in the Hell of Mirrors as Dax takes control of the Citadel The plot twist reveals the 'child's drawing' had been a Chekhov's gun throughout the series Conclusion and Reflections (01:54:22 - 02:11:44) The hosts discuss the significance of Supreme in comics history The comic is positioned as a reconstruction of Superman after the deconstruction era The series is praised for its humor, creativity, and meta-approach to comics The hosts recommend other Alan Moore works like Tom Strong The podcast ends with contact information for the hosts and guest Micah McCaw