Moral Revolution Podcast

The Economy Belongs In The Moral SphereLessons from Italy’s Civil Economy TraditionExplore a rich historical tradition rooted in Catholic social thought that envisions the economy as embedded in moral and civic life, emphasizing the common good over mere profit. From 18th-century origins to post-war reconstruction, this episode traces how Italian thinkers and leaders envisioned an economy that serves people and society.Key topics:The origins of civil economy in 18th-century Italy with Antonio GenovesiContrasting ideas of Adam Smith’s classical economics and Genovesi’s civic approachThe development of Catholic social teaching: from Rerum Novarum to Quadragesimo AnnoThe role of Catholic figures like Luigi Sturzo and Alcide de Gasperi in institutionalizing a third wayPost-war Italian politics and the influence of Christian democracy and state-owned enterprises like ENI and IRIThe impact of Cold War geopolitics and energy diplomacy through figures like Enrico MatteiThe rise and fall of post-war Italian economic models and the neoliberal reforms of the 1990sRevival of civil economy ideas in recent decades and their relevance todayTimestamps:00:00 - Introduction to the Italian civil economy and its relevance01:43 - The distinct visions of Antonio Genovesi and Adam Smith05:10 - Genovesi’s civil economy: economy as part of civic and moral life10:34 - The political and economic reconstruction after WWII with figures like Alcide de Gasperi and Fanfani15:16 - The encyclicals Rerum Novarum and Quadragesimo Anno: foundations of Catholic social teaching22:30 - The political transformation: from post-war consensus to the collapse in the 1990s25:23 - The Camaldoli Code and the moral renewal of Italy’s post-fascist reconstruction40:37 - Enrico Mattei and Italy’s energy sovereignty during the Cold War47:49 - The systemic weaknesses and patronage in Italy’s post-war economic model54:50 - Contemporary revival and the civil economy tradition in Italy todayResources & Links:Rerum Novarum (1891)Quadragesimo Anno (1931)Luigi Sturzo - Italian Christian DemocratEnrico Mattei and ENICamaldoli Code (1943)Notable Insights:The civil economy offers a moral and relational alternative to neoliberal individualism.Catholic social thought developed a third way that fuses market functions with social and moral ends.Italy’s unique political-economic history, including energy diplomacy and state-led development, reflects this tradition.Contemporary debates on market regulation, social justice, and environmental sustainability resonate with civil economy principles. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit moralrevolution.substack.com

SummaryIn this engaging conversation, Laura Segafredo, Tony Annett, and guest Aniket Shah explore the multifaceted implications of artificial intelligence (AI) on our society, the economy, morality, and human purpose. They delve into historical parallels, moral considerations, economic impacts, and the future of work and human dignity in the age of AI.KeywordsArtificial Intelligence, AI Ethics, Economic Impact, Human Dignity, Future of Work, Technology and Morality, AI History, Societal Change, Innovation, Morality in TechnologyKey topicsHistorical evolution of AI and its implicationsMoral and ethical considerations of AI developmentEconomic impacts and wealth concentration due to AIThe future of work and human purpose in an AI-driven worldGuest : Aniket ShahSound Bites"Democracy must have control over AI.""Work provides purpose and meaning in life.""The precautionary principle is vital for AI."Chapters00:00Introduction to the Podcast and Guests02:54The Evolution of AI and Its Historical Context05:57Diverse Perspectives on AI's Impact08:56Economic Implications of AI and Market Reactions12:00Moral and Ethical Considerations in AI Development14:46The Role of Government and Public Trust in AI18:03The Intersection of Technology, Labor, and Society20:49The Future of Work and Economic Structures24:08Public Sentiment and Trust in AI Technology27:07Concluding Thoughts on AI and Human Flourishing33:58The Four-Day Work Week Debate37:02Redistribution of Wealth and Purpose in Work39:00Exploring the Concept of B******t Jobs43:49The Moral Implications of Work and Meaning48:00Reassessing Progress and Practical Skills52:02Knowledge Decay and the Role of AI59:03Imagination and the Future of Work This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit moralrevolution.substack.com

SummaryIn this episode, Laura Segafredo and Tony Annett explore the inter-war period in the United States, focusing on the Great Depression and the New Deal. They discuss the historical context leading to the economic crisis, the impact of the gold standard, and the responses from various governments. The conversation highlights FDR's pivotal role in saving American democracy through the New Deal, which included significant reforms aimed at supporting workers and stabilizing the economy. The episode draws parallels between the past and present, emphasizing the importance of economic policies in maintaining democratic stability.Sound Bites"FDR saved American democracy in the 1930s.""Good economic policies can save democracy."Chapters00:00Introduction to the Great Depression and New Deal01:34Historical Context: The Rise of Extremism03:01The Economic Roots of the Great Depression10:35The Impact of the Gold Standard15:17Responses to the Banking Crisis17:01The Severity of the Great Depression19:05Political Fallout and the Rise of the Far Right24:20FDR and the New Deal: A Response to Crisis28:21The Emotional Economy: Confidence and Markets30:33FDR's Economic Policies and the Gold Standard32:13The New Deal Initiatives36:35Relief and Employment Programs40:54Social Security and Labor Rights43:49The Impact of the New Deal44:18Lessons from the New Deal for Democracy50:29Comparing the US and France in the 1930s54:18The Importance of Economic Policy for Democracy This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit moralrevolution.substack.com

SummaryIn this episode, Laura Segafredo and Tony Annett engage with Matt Orsagh to discuss the future of economics beyond neoclassical frameworks, focusing on the concepts of post-growth and ecological economics. They explore the role of finance in a sustainable economy, the importance of understanding planetary boundaries, and the intersection of theology and economics. The conversation critiques technocracy and emphasizes the need for cultural change and community building to foster solidarity and social justice in the face of environmental challenges.Keywordspost-growth, ecological economics, sustainability, finance, planetary boundaries, degrowth, social justice, community building, prosperity, cultural changeTakeawaysThe conversation explores the future of economics beyond neoclassical frameworks.Finance plays a crucial role in transitioning to a post-growth world.Ecological economics offers a more sustainable approach to understanding economic systems.Planetary boundaries highlight the limits of growth and resource use.The intersection of theology and economics raises important ethical questions.Critiques of technocracy emphasize the need for a more sustainable mindset.Technology alone cannot solve the issues of overconsumption and waste.The politics of degrowth must consider social justice and equity.Cultural change is essential for rethinking prosperity and well-being.Community building is vital for fostering solidarity and local resilience.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Post-Growth Economics02:56 The Role of Finance in a Post-Growth World06:02 Understanding Ecological Economics08:54 Planetary Boundaries and Sustainability12:01 The Technocratic Paradigm and Its Critique14:51 Degrowth: A Controversial Concept17:58 Cultural Change and Economic Systems20:58 Justice in Growth and Degrowth23:47 The Future of Prosperity and Well-Being32:18 The Shift in Economic Conversations34:09 Human Flourishing and Societal Choices37:55 Historical Context of Economic Growth40:48 Finance and the Concept of Degrowth49:11 Political Transformation for a New Economy56:09 Community Building and Local Empowerment This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit moralrevolution.substack.com

This episode explores the evolution and characteristics of Scandinavian social democracy, contrasting it with Christian democracy (covered in episode 6). It delves into the historical context, key policies during the Great Depression, and the defining features of the Scandinavian model, including labor-capital cooperation and the welfare state. The discussion also addresses the challenges faced by these systems, particularly regarding immigration and demographic changes, while highlighting the successes and lessons learned from the Scandinavian experience.Key takeaways: Scandinavian social democracy emerged from specific political circumstances in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.The model emphasizes cooperation between labor and capital, leading to a unique social contract.Keynesian policies during the Great Depression solidified the appeal of social democracy in Scandinavia.The Scandinavian welfare state is characterized by universal benefits and high levels of taxation.Labor relations in Scandinavia were historically conflictual but evolved into cooperative agreements.The 1970s marked the high point of the Scandinavian social model with extensive social benefits.Cooperatives play a significant role in the Scandinavian economy, promoting economic democracy.Demographic challenges pose a threat to the sustainability of the welfare state in Scandinavia.The Scandinavian model has been successful in achieving high levels of happiness and life satisfaction.Future discussions should address the implications of immigration on the welfare state. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit moralrevolution.substack.com

In the latest episode of the Moral Revolution podcast, I had the honor of speaking with Dr. Elizabeth Johnson, an eco-feminist theologian and one of my “sheroes.” Our conversation ranged across science, scripture, finance, and feminism, offering a challenging and hopeful map for how faith can reorient our lives toward true ecological responsibility.The Limits of Human-Centered ThinkingDr. Johnson is clear: putting humans at the center of creation (what theologians call “anthropocentrism”) is not just an ecological error, but a theological one. When we imagine God as caring only about one species, “we think of ourselves as little gods,” Johnson warns, “and we then think we have the right to use other species to our own advantage without considering their own vital reality in themselves as beloved of God.”She reminds us that every Christian creed begins by naming God as the Creator of heaven and earth. Losing sight of this origin, she says, “is a distortion right away in our ethics.”Community of Creation, Not a PyramidRather than a pyramid with humans at the top, Johnson invites us to see life as a “community of creation”: a web of kinship across all living things. Quoting scripture’s command to “love your neighbor as yourself,” she asks us to expand our conception of neighbor: “Does it apply only to people?…What about crossing the species line and seeing other species as kin?”In this vision, humans become caretakers within creation, reliant on the very systems we so often seek to dominate: “The tree is perfectly happy in its existence, whether humans are on this planet or not…But think about human life without trees. They are absolutely essential to our existence.”Deep Incarnation: Christ, Cosmos, and DarwinJohnson’s theology bridges faith and science with rare depth. She describes how evolutionary science, especially Darwin, shaped her thinking: “Darwin’s wisdom was to see connections where other people had not…to see that in the end, we are all part of the tree of life…different branches, but from the same source.” She ties this scientific story to Christian concepts like “deep incarnation”—the idea that the Word became flesh, and that flesh connects us not just to God, but to all of nature and even the stardust of the cosmos itself.Beyond Dominion and the Limits of StewardshipDr. Johnson takes on familiar but misunderstood scriptural ideas. She explains that the biblical “dominion” granted to humans is meant as delegated care, not domination: “Whoever had dominion was a representative, to make sure the king’s will was being carried out…So rather than giving human beings the right to exploit…the word dominion really means take care of this. You’re here in my name; what would God want for these creatures?”She appreciates “stewardship” as a step forward, but warns it falls short: “Stewardship ignores the fact that what we humans are stewarding is also giving back to us. So the mutuality of our relationship in the community is overlooked.” Instead, she calls for reciprocity and real interdependence, rather than a continuing hierarchy that keeps humans at the center.Eco-Conversion: No Divide Between Ecology and JusticeJohnson is a fierce advocate for what Pope Francis calls “integral ecology”: the inseparable tie between environmental crisis and social injustice (we talk about this in Episode 3). “Who suffers most from ecological degradation? It’s the poor,” she notes, sharing stories of communities poisoned by pollution or devastated by climate change. Her call: “To hear the cry of the earth and the cry of the poor together.”The Feminist Lens: Expanding Our Imagination of GodDr. Johnson’s feminist perspective runs deep: she’s spent decades challenging the masculinized, exclusionary images of God: “The Western imagination of God is still, in large part, Michelangelo’s art in the Sistine Chapel: male, old, white, wealthy. But the God of the scriptures…is the God who hears the cries of the suffering, who liberates, who is beyond any image or word we can use.” The patriarchal tradition of the Church, she says, “makes me feel it’s even more urgent to offer alternative visions.”Hope That Resists DespairIn a time of rising eco-anxiety and political backlash, Dr. Johnson does not serve up false optimism. Instead, she grounds hope in action and integrity:“The fundamental reason to keep going is your own integrity, your own truth…Not as an individual, but as part of a community of caring people that see a value in loving the earth rather than destroying it.”What matters, she says, is to “push for that, and resist in every possible way the political rolling back that’s going on… The important thing is not that we succeed, but that we die trying.”Takeaways for the Moral Revolution* Anthropocentrism is not only ecologically dangerous, but distorts Christian faith itself.* Humans belong in a community of creation, not perched at the top.* Ecological stewardship must be mutual, humble, and kinship-based, not just managerial.* Integral ecology means “the cry of the earth” is bound to “the cry of the poor.”* Feminist theology is essential to freeing our imagination of God and our sense of justice.* Hope endures in collective action, not outcomes. Integrity matters, and the next generation is counting on us.If you’re looking for wisdom that connects faith, science, and the ethics of planetary care, you’ll find much to ponder in this conversation. Listen to the full episode for even more insights from Dr. Johnson, and join us in the ongoing work of moral—and ecological—revolution.What resonated with you most? Join the conversation in the comments, or share your thoughts directly—let’s keep building this community of care! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit moralrevolution.substack.com

Laudato Si’ 10 years later: Faith, Ecology, and the Call for a Moral RevolutionOn May 24, 2015, Pope Francis released Laudato Si’, the first encyclical in the history of the Catholic Church dedicated entirely to ecology. An encyclical is the highest-level teaching document in Catholicism. While previous popes and bishops had spoken about the environment, never before had the Church issued such a comprehensive statement on our moral responsibility to care for creation.This document didn’t just speak to Catholics; it resonated globally, providing a powerful moral framework that influenced the climate negotiations leading up to the Paris Agreement later that year. Today, we dive deeper into Laudato Si’, exploring its origins, its message, and its enduring impact on both the Church and the world.1. Connecting Laudato Si’ to Catholic Tradition: Historical FoundationsLaudato Si’ was revolutionary, but it didn’t emerge from a vacuum. Its teachings are deeply rooted in the Church’s long-standing concern for creation.* John Paul II was the first pope to call the ecological crisis a “moral issue,” linking care for creation with respect for life and social justice. In his 1990 World Day of Peace message, he reflected that praying for peace is not just about the absence of war between humans, but also about peace between humans and creation. He wrote:“Many ethical values, fundamental to the development of a peaceful society, are particularly relevant to the ecological question... The profound sense that the earth is 'suffering' is also shared by those who do not profess our faith in God... It results from the behaviour of people who show a callous disregard for the hidden, yet perceivable requirements of the order and harmony which govern nature itself.”* In his 1991 encyclical Centesimus Annus, John Paul II described nature as a gift from God, emphasizing humanity’s duty to cooperate with God in fostering the flourishing of the environment.* Benedict XVI built on this, especially by linking environmental degradation to economic systems. In the 2009 encyclical Caritas in Veritate, he warned against the “folly of the consumerist mindset” and called for a “change of mentality.” He led by example, making the Vatican carbon neutral and highlighting the interconnectedness of ecological and social issues.“The economy needs ethics in order to function correctly—not any ethics whatsoever, but an ethics which is people-centred... The way humanity treats the environment influences the way it treats itself, and vice versa... What is needed is an effective shift in mentality which can lead to the adoption of new life-styles...”Laudato Si’ explicitly references these previous teachings and the broader framework of Catholic Social Teaching, especially the principles of the common good, solidarity, and the preferential option for the poor. It draws on the Church’s call for justice, human dignity, and care for the vulnerable, integrating these with an evolving understanding of “ecojustice.”2. The Structure and Message of Laudato Si’The encyclical is organized into six chapters, each addressing a key dimension of the ecological crisis and the Church’s response:Chapter Overview* What is Happening to Our Common Home: Examines pollution, waste, climate as a common good, water scarcity, biodiversity loss, declining quality of life, and global inequality. It affirms the “very solid scientific consensus” on climate change and the evidence that human activity is the primary driver.“The climate is a common good, belonging to all and meant for all.”* The Gospel of Creation: Interprets biblical teachings, emphasizing responsible stewardship and rejecting domination over nature. The Genesis stories are read as calls to cultivate and protect, not exploit, the earth.“The common destination of goods”: The earth is a shared inheritance, meant to benefit everyone. For believers, this is a question of fidelity to the Creator.* The Human Roots of the Ecological Crisis: Explores social trends and ideologies—such as consumerism, technocracy, and moral relativism—that have led to environmental destruction.“Modernity has been marked by an excessive anthropocentrism... There needs to be a distinctive way of looking at things, a way of thinking, policies, an educational programme, a lifestyle and a spirituality...”* Integral Ecology: Presents the core solution: linking environmental, social, cultural, and economic issues. Humans are not separate from, but deeply interconnected with, the broader living world.“We are faced not with two separate crises, one environmental and the other social, but rather with one complex crisis which is both social and environmental... Strategies for a solution demand an integrated approach to combating poverty, restoring dignity to the excluded, and at the same time protecting nature.”* Lines of Approach and Action: Applies integral ecology to politics, calling for international agreements, new policies, inclusive decision-making, and an economy ordered to the good of all.* Ecological Education and Spirituality: Concludes with a call for a spiritual and cultural revolution—almost a counter-revolution to consumerism. It recommends a lifestyle focused on enduring values, environmental education, civic love, and an “ecological conversion.”Central Messages* Interconnectedness: Humanity’s fate is bound to the health of the planet; environmental and social crises are inseparable.* Moral and Spiritual Crisis: The ecological crisis reflects a deeper spiritual and moral malaise.* Universal Call: The encyclical is addressed to “every person living on this planet,” not just Catholics.* Integral Ecology: Solutions must address environmental, social, economic, and cultural dimensions together.* Cry of the Earth, Cry of the Poor: Environmental degradation and social injustice are linked; the poor suffer most from ecological harm.3. Laudato Si’ in the Context of Religion and EcologyInfluences and Shifts* Lynn White: His criticism of Christianity’s role in environmental degradation prompted the Church to clarify its teachings on stewardship.* St. Francis of Assisi: His “Canticle of the Creatures” inspired the encyclical’s title and vision of kinship with all creation.* Leonardo Boff: A Brazilian liberation theologian, whose work “Cry of the Earth, Cry of the Poor” is explicitly referenced, linking ecological and social justice.* Thomas Berry: Advocated for a new ecological consciousness and a “New Story” that integrates science and spiritual wisdom, seeing humans as part of a “communion of subjects, not a collection of objects.”Laudato Si’ marks a shift from a theology of domination to one of relationship and responsibility, integrating scientific understanding with spiritual insight. It is a landmark in the evolving field of religion and ecology, positioning the Catholic Church as a global leader in ecological ethics and dialogue with science.4. The Legacy and Impact of Laudato Si’ (2015–2025)Influence on Global Climate Action* Played a significant role in shaping the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement, providing a moral framing that influenced international negotiations and inspired leaders worldwide.* Frequently cited by scientists, diplomats, and activists, and has inspired similar initiatives in other faith traditions.* Sparked the creation of the Laudato Si’ Action Platform and numerous Catholic and interfaith environmental movements.* Encouraged Catholic institutions to divest from fossil fuels and adopt renewable energy.* Positioned Pope Francis as a leading global voice on climate and environmental issues.The Concept of “Ecological Sin”* Laudato Si’ established the act of “ecological sin” as an action or omission against God, neighbor, community, and the environment—including future generations. This concept highlights the relational aspect of sin, extending it to our relationship with the natural world.Subsequent Developments* Pope Francis continued to address environmental issues in Laudate Deum (2023), expressing concern about insufficient progress and warning that “the world in which we live is collapsing and may be nearing the breaking point.”* Pope Leo XIV, the current pope, has referenced Laudato Si’ in his teachings, emphasizing the Church’s mission to “care for creation” and calling for a “conversion” of hearts and lifestyles.“We must pray for the conversion of many people, inside and outside of the church, who still do not recognize the urgency of caring for our common home.”5. Reflections and Looking ForwardTen years on, the message of Laudato Si’ remains urgent as environmental crises intensify. The Church continues to advocate for ecological conversion, justice for the poor, and global solidarity. The encyclical’s legacy lies in its call for a “moral revolution” that unites ecological, social, and spiritual renewal.If you’ve made it this far, thank you for joining us in exploring the roots, message, and ongoing impact of Laudato Si’. The work of caring for our common home continues, and its call is more urgent than ever. Give the podcast a listen for an even better version of this summary! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit moralrevolution.substack.com

Welcome to the inaugural episode of the Moral Revolution podcast, where hosts Laura Segafredo and Anthony Annett set out to explore the intersection of ethics, economics, politics, faith and culture in a time of global uncertainty and transformation.Introducing the HostsAnthony Annett brings a wealth of experience as an economist with a PhD from Columbia and a two-decade career at the International Monetary Fund. He is also the author of Cathonomics, a book that examines the moral foundations of economics through the lens of Catholic social teaching. Laura Segafredo is a climate expert whose work bridges science and economics, driving forward-thinking solutions for a more just and sustainable world. She is about to embark on a master’s degree in Theology and Ecology at Princeton Theological Seminary and with this podcast is fulfilling a long time dream to be on radio!Why a “Moral Revolution”?The podcast’s central premise is that our world faces not just technical or economic challenges, but a profound moral crisis. From climate change and inequality to the erosion of trust in institutions, we argue that addressing these issues requires a re-examination of our collective values and priorities. We believe that a “moral revolution” is needed—one that places human dignity, solidarity, and stewardship at the heart of public discourse and decision-making.Christianity and the “Dual Moral Revolution”One of the episode’s most thought-provoking segments draws on historian Tom Holland’s insight that Christianity catalyzed a “dual moral revolution” that upended the ancient world:1. The Inversion of Social HierarchiesChristianity radically challenged traditional hierarchies of wealth, power, and status. The teachings of Jesus—“the last will be first,” “blessed are the poor,” “woe to the rich,” and “the meek shall inherit the earth”—flipped the script on who society should value and honor. This was a seismic shift: the marginalized and powerless were now placed at the center of the moral universe.2. Universalizing the Concept of NeighborThe second part of this revolution extended the idea of “neighbor” to every person on earth. Inspired by the parable of the Good Samaritan, Christianity became, as the Orthodox theologian put it, the religion of “infinite relationality.” Our moral responsibility is not limited by tribe, nation, or proximity—we are called to respond to anyone in need, anywhere.We contrast this with the rise of Trumpism, which, in our view, represents a Nietzschean inversion of Christianity’s moral revolution. Trumpism centers on power, profit, pleasure, and prestige. The strong crush the weak, enemies are to be destroyed, revenge is valorized, and the poor are disregarded in favor of conspicuous wealth. The attacks on migrants and the gutting of foreign aid—actions that can result in the suffering or death of the world’s most vulnerable—stand in stark opposition to the ethic of the Good Samaritan. This, we argue, is not just a political shift, but a profound moral reversal.The Need for Moral LanguageA recurring theme is the inadequacy of today’s public discourse. The phrase “this is not normal,” often repeated by critics of recent political developments, is, as the hosts put it, “bland and vacuous”—utterly failing to capture the moral gravity of the moment.Historian Tony Judt is invoked as a reminder that the postwar era of social democracy was suffused with moral language. People debated government actions in terms of right and wrong, justice and injustice. We argue that we must recover this moral vocabulary if we are to meet the challenges of our time. Without it, we risk losing sight of what is truly at stake.Key Themes from Episode 1* The Interplay of Ethics and Economics: Mainstream economics often sidelines moral considerations, treating them as externalities or afterthoughts. This has contributed to many of today’s crises, from environmental degradation to widening inequality. Traditions like Catholic social teaching insist that economic systems must serve the common good, not just individual profit.* Climate Change as a Moral Issue: Climate change is not just an environmental or technical problem, but a profound ethical challenge. Decisions about resource use, energy, and development have far-reaching consequences for the vulnerable and for future generations. The episode highlights the need for policies and investments that reflect a commitment to justice, sustainability, and intergenerational responsibility.* Personal Journeys and Motivations: Both hosts share personal stories about what drew them to this work. For Anthony, it was a growing awareness of the limitations of conventional economic thinking and a desire to connect his professional life with his moral convictions. For Laura, experiences in academia and sustainable finance reinforced the importance of integrating ethical reflection into practical decision-making.What Listeners Can ExpectFuture episodes will feature conversations with thought leaders, practitioners, and activists working at the frontiers of ethics, economics, and social change. The goal is to foster dialogue that is rigorous, inclusive, and hopeful—offering not just critique, but concrete pathways toward a more humane and sustainable world.Closing ThoughtsWe hope that the first episode of Moral Revolution sets the stage for a podcast that is both intellectually engaging and deeply personal. By weaving together expertise in economics, climate science, and moral philosophy, we invite listeners to join a much-needed conversation about what kind of society we want to build—and what it will take to get there.Stay tuned for more episodes, and join the movement for a moral revolution.Links to articles and books referenced in the episode: David Brooks column: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/01/opinion/trump-faith-humanism.htmlVox article on converts vs cradle Catholics: https://www.vox.com/politics/405869/jd-vance-conversion-religion-politics-divideVox article on empathy as a sin: https://www.vox.com/culture/413530/what-does-empathy-is-a-sin-mean-christian-extremismAristotle’s Eudaimonia: https://ethics.org.au/ethics-explainer-eudaimonia/https://www.amazon.com/Dominion-Christian-Revolution-Remade-World/dp/0465093507Tom Holland: “Dominion: How the Christian Revolution Remade the World” This is a public episode. 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