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This LDS OB-GYN was ‘100% yes’ on Prop 1 — until her church weighed in | Episode 461
Oct 14, 2026
34m 50s
Why gambling violates LDS principles and economics | Episode 460
Oct 7, 2026
30m 50s
LDS women and the rise of conservative Christian gender ideals | Episode 459
Sep 30, 2026
34m 30s
Former judge Thomas Griffith on LDS President Dallin Oaks' D.C. speech | Episode 458
Sep 23, 2026
41m 55s
McKay Coppins on sports betting for Latter-day Saints | Episode 457
Sep 16, 2026
30m 50s
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| 10/14/26 | This LDS OB-GYN was ‘100% yes’ on Prop 1 — until her church weighed in | Episode 461 | The U.S. Central Area Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints issued an official statement last month opposing the Idaho Reproductive Freedom and Privacy Act, better known as Proposition 1. The memo was brief. Its signers, all men, did not get into the debates swirling around the ballot measure widely seen as having a decent shot at passing this November. Instead, it read: “Our long-held stance on abortion remains clear and unchanged.” A few weeks later, the church cut a check for $1 million to the group opposing the measure. Official church policy opposes “elective abortion for personal or social convenience.” However, it has long noted that there are circumstances in which abortion is not a sin. Those include a pregnancy resulting from rape or incest, if the “life or health” of the mother is in “serious jeopardy,” and instances when a fetus is found to have “severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth.” Current Idaho law is more restrictive, barring abortion at all stages of pregnancy with an exception for the life of the mother. Survivors of rape and incest who have reported the crime to law enforcement can also seek an abortion during the first trimester. In contrast, Prop 1 goes, arguably, further in its allowances than church policy, establishing “a right to make private reproductive healthcare decisions, including abortion up to fetal viability and in medical emergencies.” The result is a Latter-day Saint community split on the measure, along with heated arguments online and off over what these laws and proposed laws mean for maternal and newborn health. This week, Heather Pugmire, a Latter-day Saint and OB-GYN, describes her own experience practicing in Idaho and her wrestle with the question of how to vote come Election Day. | 34m 50s | ||||||
| 10/7/26 | Why gambling violates LDS principles and economics | Episode 460 | The explosion in gambling — especially through the emergence of online sports betting and so-called prediction markets — has been debated in the courts, Congress and now Latter-day Saint living rooms. The latter comes after President D. Todd Christofferson’s blistering broadside against all types of wagering in this past weekend’s General Conference. While the church’s anti-gambling stance is hardly a revelation, the environment, energy and extent to which it was delivered made headlines and even caught some members by surprise. Gambling, Christofferson said, is “morally wrong” and incompatible with Christ’s gospel. Joining us remotely to discuss his message, its theological roots and potential culture impact — along with other conference moments — is Latter-day Saint scholar Matthew Bowman, chair of Mormon studies at Claremont Graduate University and co-author “Game Changers: AJ Dybantsa, BYU, and the Struggle for the Soul of Basketball.” | 30m 50s | ||||||
| 9/30/26 | LDS women and the rise of conservative Christian gender ideals | Episode 459 | Six years ago, the book “Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation” hit shelves. A 75-year history of evangelical masculinity, The New York Times bestseller laid out the forces that, according to author Kristin Kobes Du Mez, turned President Donald Trump into a hero of the religious right. Now the professor of history at Calvin University is out with a new book, “Live Laugh Love: The Secret History of White Christian Women and the World They Made.” Precious Moments figurines. Purity culture. “Little House on the Prairie” and free enterprise. They’re all connected in Du Mez’s telling of a system that promised women everything — and often demanded the same. Although primarily focused on white evangelicals, the names of women of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are woven throughout the often biting history that has joined its predecessor on The New York Times’ bestseller list. Despite their theological differences, the women from both traditions came together through the years to, she writes, “define conservative femininity for generations to come.” This week, Du Mez traces the contributions of Latter-day Saint women past and present to this ideal. | 34m 30s | ||||||
| 9/23/26 | Former judge Thomas Griffith on LDS President Dallin Oaks' D.C. speech | Episode 458 | President Dallin H. Oaks, leader of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, gave a landmark address recently in a soaring cathedral at the nation’s capital to a packed audience of Washington politicos and insiders. The former lawyer, law professor and Utah Supreme Court justice schooled his audience on how the U.S. Constitution offers a clear-cut manual for how to deal with profound differences — including political and religious ones — in a pluralistic society. It is a message he has offered in several diverse venues, including to scholars in Virginia, Catholics in Rome and Latter-day Saints in their General Conferences. He has brought his powerful mind to the topic, obviously believing it is an urgent issue at a chaotic and polarized time. Retired federal Judge Thomas Griffith, a Latter-day Saint, was in the audience at the Washington National Cathedral when Oaks spoke. On this week’s show, Griffith reviews the speech, Oaks’ counsel, and why it may be crucial for this time. | 41m 55s | ||||||
| 9/16/26 | McKay Coppins on sports betting for Latter-day Saints | Episode 457 | “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is opposed to gambling. … [It] is motivated by a desire to get something for nothing. This desire is spiritually destructive. It leads participants away from the Savior’s teachings.” With those words, the faith’s position is clear. No gambling — of any type. So when The Atlantic staked staff writer McKay Coppins, a practicing Latter-day Saint, $10,000 to place bets while investigating the booming business of sports betting, he felt the need to consult with his bishop. Since the money wouldn’t be his own and the assignment was for research, the wary church leader gave Coppins the go sign but added a caution: “Be careful.” During the ensuing months, Coppins learned the wisdom behind that warning as he came to understand the addictive nature of gambling and the odds against winning at it. “I started with $10,000,” he said. “I ended with less than $200. I lost, basically, all of it.” On this week’s show, he discusses his article, titled “Sucker: My year as a degenerate gambler,” along with what he discovered about the industry, himself and the implications of sports betting for Latter-day Saints. | 30m 50s | ||||||
| 9/9/26 | LDS service missionariesimmigration+3 | Scott Howell | The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day SaintsUtah Democrats | Utah | LDSservice missionary+5 | — | 42m 00s | ||
| 9/2/26 | sexual standardsLatter-day Saints+4 | Jennifer Finlayson-Fife | The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day SaintsFor the Strength of Youth+1 | — | Latter-day Saintssexual standards+5 | — | 31m 26s | ||
| 8/26/26 | Sunday schedule changesLatter-day Saints+3 | Cynthia WinwardMichael David Huston | The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day SaintsAt Last She Said It+1 | — | Sabbath experiencesacrament meeting+6 | — | 40m 33s | ||
| 8/19/26 | LDS Church retentionreligiosity+4 | Jana Riess | The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day SaintsBYU Studies+2 | — | LDS Churchretention rate+7 | — | 28m 45s | ||
| 8/12/26 | trademark infringementfree speech+4 | Cara GaglianoKristine Haglund | The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day SaintsElectronic Frontier Foundation+1 | — | Mormon Storiestrademark+5 | — | 49m 20s | ||
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| 8/9/26 | dating showsProvo culture+3 | Meg Walter | Mormon LandMormons in Media+1 | Provo | Mormonsdating+5 | — | 55m 11s | ||
| 8/5/26 | LGBTQ+ issuesfamily dynamics+3 | Jeff McLeanMichael McLean | The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day SaintsStay in the Room: How a Gay Son and a Mormon Father Found Themselves and Each Other | — | LDSgay son+5 | — | 1h 01m 43s | ||
| 7/29/26 | faitheconomic challenges+3 | Natalie Brown | Salt Lake TribuneAfter Happiness: Living with Faith in a Time of Crisis | — | happinessfaith+4 | — | 40m 41s | ||
| 7/22/26 | Joseph Smithpolygamy+4 | Matthew GrowMatthew McBride | The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day SaintsYale University Press | — | William ClaytonJoseph Smith+5 | — | 41m 20s | ||
| 7/15/26 | Latter-day SaintsBlack missionaries+4 | Marcus Martins | The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints | BrazilMexico+2 | Helvécio MartinsMarcus Martins+7 | — | 52m 35s | ||
| 7/8/26 | The search for what Joseph Smith looked like and why it matters | Episode 447 | “As a Latter-day Saint artist, Joseph Brickey had painted church founder Joseph Smith dozens of times. So he was naturally skeptical in 2022, when he first saw headlines about a recently discovered daguerreotype that was reported to be the only known photo of Smith. He had studied extensively the human form, including facial structures. He had seen other photos making similar claims that were easily dismissed as frauds. So he cautiously delved into more research about the new find and now, after four years of careful study comparing it to Smith’s death mask and reading primary documents describing Mormonism’s most famous leader, he is convinced it is the real Joseph. And he has crafted a new sculpture and painted a new portrait based not on the old images but on the daguerreotype. On this week’s show, Brickey, co-author of the forthcoming book and documentary “Brother Joseph Again: Restoring the Visual Image of Joseph Smith Jr.,” talks about his research of the daguerreotype, his latest artwork of Smith, and how it better reflects his view of the Mormon prophet. He is joined by art historian Jenny Champoux, who explains the human fascination with faces and why it matters to believers what Smith looked like. | 40m 29s | ||||||
| 7/1/26 | Why this past LDS anti-communist zealot is relevant today | Episode 446 | There was a time in the 1960s when W. Cleon Skousen, who died in 2006 at 92, was a widely known and controversial conservative figure in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Skousen was a popular speaker, teacher and writer, whose books about scriptures reflected a literal, nonmodernist approach to the Bible. He was a zealous anti-communist who freely mixed his Mormonism with his political views. He worked for a time as a special agent for the FBI and later as Salt Lake City’s police chief. His books — including “The First 2,000 Years” and “The Naked Communist” — became ubiquitous in Latter-day Saint homes as members grappled with the Cold War and predictions of an imminent apocalypse. On this week’s show, Latter-day Saint historian Benjamin Park, who is working on a biography of Skousen, discusses the man’s early beginnings and why his works are finding an unexpected audience among President Donald Trump’s supporters today. | 37m 20s | ||||||
| 6/24/26 | How LDS of all backgrounds can integrate African American spirituals into worship | Episode 445 | Earlier this month, general authority Seventy historian Kyle McKay apologized for remarks he made at a regional worship service in Oklahoma. In his controversial comments, McKay, the official historian for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, briefly reenacted a racist rendition of the African American spiritual “This Little Light of Mine,” which he described as “a song where white people try to sing like Black people.” In his apology, he said, “My words have caused offense and injury, and put a blight on an otherwise wonderful weekend.” This episode raises larger questions about how Latter-day Saint congregations can or should respectfully incorporate not only this song but also other African American songs recently added to the church’s official hymnbook. These week’s show features two Black Latter-day Saint musicians: Kimberly Applewhite Teitter, a clinical psychologist and the assistant director for the Debra Bonner Unity Gospel Choir, and Krispin Banks, a musician, songwriter and podcaster who believes music can unite believers across cultures and bring people closer to Jesus Christ. | 57m 49s | ||||||
| 6/17/26 | The beliefs and battles of Marion D. Hanks | Episode 444 | There was a time in the 1960s and ’70s, when Marion Duff Hanks was better known than almost any other Latter-day Saint leader. The boyish, handsome, charismatic and deeply literate Hanks was tapped in 1953 at age 31 as a general authority in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and was not released from full-time service in the faith until 1992. “Duff” (as his friends called him) was beloved for his winning ways as a speaker and teacher, his rapport with teens, and his ability to discuss Shakespeare, popular television shows, the scriptures, newspaper stories, ancient history and contemporary issues. Members also smiled at the light-colored suits he sometimes donned for General Conferences amid a sea of black. He was the mission president to two future apostles (Jeffrey R. Holland and Quentin L. Cook) and a groundbreaking historian (D. Michael Quinn) — and loved all his charges. At the same time, Hanks, who died in 2011, was a “progressive” before many Latter-day Saints even knew what the word meant. He spoke of Christ and social justice, for example, and reached out to those on the margins of the church — which made him a hero and mentor to writers like Carol Lynn Pearson and activists like Warner Woodworth. Yet few modern members know of Hanks’ extraordinary life. Last year, Hanks’ son, Richard Hanks, wrote a biography of his father, “To Be a Friend of Christ: The Life of Marion D. Hanks,” drawing on otherwise unavailable primary sources — journals, correspondence, notebooks and recordings. And the Utah-based faith recently made a ton of Hanks’ papers publicly available. On this week’s show, Richard Hanks discusses his father’s life, and what his work meant for the church and future generations. | 39m 15s | ||||||
| 6/10/26 | Why many evangelicals don't see Latter-day Saints as Christians | Episode 443 | For about a decade, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been in a costly rebrand aimed in part at shoring up its bona fides as a Christian denomination. Not everyone is convinced, including, it appears, inside the federal government. Late last week, the U.S. Department of Defense, helmed by conservative evangelical Pete Hegseth, issued a new, vastly pared down list of codes for religions recognized by its Chaplain Corps. The Utah-based faith made the cut but with a catch. As the all-Republican and Latter-day Saint delegation from the Beehive State complained on social media, the church was not tagged as “Christian.” Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant denominations, yes. Not Latter-day Saints. The government, it seemed, had weighed in on a long-standing theological debate, and not in Temple Square’s favor. The department has since reissued the list, removing the “Christian” tag entirely. But the debate continues to whirl. Joseph DuWors is a retired Army major and chaplain, Latter-day Saint convert and doctoral candidate in Mormon studies at Claremont Graduate University. Nathaniel Wiewora is an associate professor of history at Harding University in Arkansas, and the author of the 2024 book “Sins of Christendom: Anti-Mormonism and the Making of Antebellum Evangelicalism.” They unpacked the controversy — its historical roots and implications — in the latest episode of “Mormon Land.” | 30m 00s | ||||||
| 6/3/26 | Poet Carol Lynn Pearson on how she left 'parts' of the church | Episode 442 | Carol Lynn Pearson, renowned Latter-day Saint poet, playwright and activist, began keeping a nearly daily diary when she was a senior at Brigham Young High School in 1956. And she never stopped. The first of her four volumes, which is out now, reads like a chronicle of Mormonism’s intellectual history from the 1960s through 1980s. Pearson, who grew up in Utah and now lives in California, comments on the battle over civil rights and the Equal Rights Amendment, as well as the issues of patriarchy and polygamy in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Her first book of poetry, “Beginnings,” sold an astounding 150,000 copies, making her one of Mormonism’s earliest celebrities. The feisty writer went on to produce several more bestsellers, including “The Ghost of Eternal Polygamy” and “No More Goodbyes: Circling the Wagons Around Our Gay Loved Ones.” Pearson is a lively storyteller as she recounts conversations with top Latter-day Saint leaders, including church President Dallin Oaks (whom she knew when he led Brigham Young University) and longtime Relief Society General President Belle Spafford. And she movingly describes in “Goodbye, I Love You,” falling in love with Gerald Pearson, having children with him, letting him go to live as a gay man, and welcoming him back to care for him as he died of AIDS. | 36m 50s | ||||||
| 5/27/26 | The 'crisis' of members leaving the LDS Church | Episode 441 | Jeff Strong, a former bishop, mission president and BYU faculty member, finds himself in a similar position to an increasing number of parents in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. While he remains a believing, practicing and devout member, he has loved ones (including three of his five children) who have left the faith. Thus, his new book, titled “Torn: Why People We Love Are Leaving the Church and What We Can Learn From Them,” is more than instructive and insightful; it’s personal. The volume includes a sweeping study on Latter-day Saint disaffiliation, revealing that about 40% of active members in the United States have stopped participating over the past quarter century. Why is that? Is it church doctrine, policy or culture? Is it, for instance, the faith’s opposition to same-sex marriage or the occasionally cruel comments about the LGBTQ+ community that may spring up in Sunday school? Does the tension come from the racist remarks Brigham Young made about Black people or from diminished trust in the church for not sharing that part of the faith’s history? On this week’s show, Strong discusses the church’s disaffiliation “crisis,” why so many Latter-day Saints are abandoning the faith, what the stayers get wrong about the leavers, and how members of every stripe can better find belonging no matter where they are in their spiritual journeys. | 52m 35s | ||||||
| 5/20/26 | It’s time for members to call out racism, says Black Latter-day Saint leader | Episode 440 | Ronell Hugh says he was recently hiking a trail in Highland, Utah, when a white man in a gray truck leaned out his window and shouted a racist threat. It was a moment both startling and deeply troubling for the president of the Genesis Group, a support organization for Black Latter-day Saints. Hugh hadn’t been threatened like that before since living in the Beehive State. But he had heard lots of stories from other members of his Black congregation, who told him that racism has been on the rise due to the current political climate in the country as well as in Utah, where The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the dominant religious institution. On this week’s show, Hugh, a Latter-day Saint convert and marketing executive who most recently worked for church-owned Deseret Book, discusses the increase in racial tension, what top church leaders have said about it and how Latter-day Saints can counter the sin of racism. | 44m 54s | ||||||
| 5/13/26 | LDS women who pursued careers when it was seen as a no-no | Episode 439 | It’s the late 1960s to mid-1970s. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints continues a century-old priesthood and temple ban against its Black members. It takes a high-profile public stance against the proposed Equal Rights Amendment. And a persistent patriarchy urges women to abandon careers and return home to care for their children and husbands — all the while limiting their leadership and other opportunities within the religion. These policies and practices created friction for a number of working women in the church. But rather than leave the fold, a number of talented trailblazers chose instead to turn to Christ and seek personal answers to private prayers to carve their own paths and not only stay true to the faith — and their ambitions — but also emerge even stronger. On this week’s show, Robin Ritch discusses their journeys, which she documents in her newly released book, “Using Friction to Grow.” | 34m 35s | ||||||
| 5/6/26 | What does a ‘sustaining’ vote really mean in the church? | Episode 438 | On April 4, millions of Latter-day Saints worldwide raised their hands to show symbolic support for their new prophet-president, Dallin H. Oaks. It was a rare ritual, called a solemn assembly, done primarily at the time of a new leader for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But this act of “sustaining” is also commonly used in congregations as a way to express goodwill and welcoming to new members and to members who have completed their volunteer assignments or are accepting new ones. “With those raised hands and encouraging smiles, we [are] participating in common consent, where we can choose to sustain, by the raising of the right hand, those called to serve,” apostle Patrick Kearon explained right after Oaks’ solemn assembly. “Common consent is not a mere formality but a beautiful mix of our agency, unity and faith. It is a voluntary, personal commitment to support, uphold and help the Lord’s called servants in their responsibility.” And it is almost always unanimous. But does that act imply members are or should be in complete agreement with those who are sustained? Or that the leaders are infallible? Or that the thinking among members is done? On this week’s show, Taylor Kerby, author of “Scrupulous: My Obsessive Compulsion for God,” and Heather Sundahl, a historian at Exponent II and a marriage and family therapist in Provo, discuss the church’s teachings about “sustaining.” | 40m 35s | ||||||
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