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In Part 2 of our three-part series, we move beyond the headlines and into the investigation itself; and just as importantly, into the space where verified facts collide with public assumption and social-media speculation.After Part 1 laid out what Jonathan Gerlach was charged with and how the story first broke, this episode slows things down. We examine what investigators actually knew, when they knew it, and how information spread faster than confirmation.This is the episode about process, not panic.What we cover in Part 2:How the investigation unfolded behind the scenesWhat law enforcement could confirm early on and what remained unclearThe difference between documented evidence and public inferenceHow social media posts, screenshots, and secondhand claims shaped the narrativeWhy some details went viral despite lacking verificationThe ethical risks of online sleuthing when a case involves human remainsHow speculation can unintentionally obscure victims, timelines, and accountability⚠️ Content AdvisoryThis episode includes discussion of:Human remainsCemetery theftOngoing investigationsOnline speculation and misinformationDetails are discussed factually and non-graphically, with an emphasis on ethical reporting and restraint.Come back for part 3!Part 3: A comparison between Gerlach and Ed Gein; why the comparison exists, where it breaks down, and why it matters. The historical and investigative significance of Mount Moriah Cemetery, how investigators narrowed their focus, and what the next steps are in this case in terms of identifying and contacting loved ones who were affected by this heinous crime.Until next time, stay inside, stay alive.References13WHAM. (2026). Ephrata man Jonathan Gerlach admits to selling human remains stolen from Pennsylvania cemetery. https://13wham.com/news/nation-world/ephrata-man-jonathan-gerlach-admits-to-selling-human-remains-stolen-from-pa-cemetery-search-warrant-delaware-county-philadelphia-mount-moriah-cemetery-lancaster-pennsylvania-skulls-skeletons-paCourthouse News Service. (2026). Commonwealth of Pennsylvania v. Jonathan Gerlach: Corpse theft and desecration cemetery docket [Court document]. https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/pennsylvania-v-jonathan-gerlach-corpse-theft-desecration-cemetery-docket.pdfLancasterOnline. (2026a). A look at investigation of human remains thefts linked to Ephrata suspect: Full coverage. https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/a-look-at-investigation-of-human-remains-thefts-linked-to-ephrata-suspect-full-coverage/collection_12941079-68a2-4c90-a05f-e00d075c3ae5.htmlLancasterOnline. (2026b). PA Attorney General’s Office investigating if Ephrata man stole bodies from Luzerne County. https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/pa-attorney-generals-office-investigating-if-ephrata-man-stole-bodies-from-luzerne-county/article_3601b4ff-7eaf-44c0-b01f-c4204b5ac266.htmlLancasterOnline. (2026c). Ephrata man charged in cemetery thefts linked to man going to prison in human remains case. https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/ephrata-man-charged-in-cemetery-thefts-linked-to-man-going-to-prison-in-human-remains/article_0faa53fc-d832-4dc8-ae61-a98c62d9e5ce.htmlNew York Post. (2026, January 10). Police find “horror movie” of stolen bones in alleged grave robber’s home. https://nypost.com/2026/01/10/us-news/police-find-horror-movie-of-stolen-bones-in-alleged-graverobbers-home/YouTube. (2026). News coverage of Jonathan Gerlach investigation [Video]. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vspfw6cO4ok

On December 25th and 26th of 2025; we released a 2-parter on Luis Garavito (aka The Beast). Heather was joined by Cole (who suggested the disturbing case) to discuss Luis Alfredo Garavito Cubillos, also known as La Bestia (The Beast), was a Colombian serial killer, pedophile, sex offender, and necrophile. Between 1992 and 1999, he sexually assaulted over 200 victims and is believed to have sexually assaulted and murdered at least 193 children, primarily young boys, across western Colombia.But as Heather and Cole were recording, they realized that there were a lot of unanswered questions about Columbia and the ‘hows’ and ‘whys’ related to him going undetected for so long. Well; lucky for you, we have a resident researcher who also has a degree in international studies! Courtney came to the studio and dropped some knowledge in this 2-parter about Colombia, before, during, and after his disgusting crime spree.Books and Documentaries mentioned:Conquistadores: A New History of Spanish Discovery and Conquest by Fernando CervantesWhen the Mountains Tremble (roughly 1 hr and 23 min). Filmed in 1982, this film is a prequel to the documentary Granito: How to Nail a DictatorStill Life with Bones: Genocide, Forensics, and What Remains By Alexa HagertyA Flower Traveled in My Blood by Haley Cohen GillilandBooks to learn about Colombia:The Shape of the Ruins (La Forma de las Ruinas) by Juan Gabriel Vásquez (is a great historical novel about 20th century Colombian politics)One Hundred Years Solitude by Gabriel García MárqueEvery Day The River Changes; Four Weeks Down the Magdalena by Jordan SalamaMagical Realism for Non-Believers; A Memoir of Finding Family by Anika FajardoThe Book of Emma Reyes: A Memoir by Emma Reyes (Author) & Daniel AlarcónThe Night Will Be Long by Santiago GamboThe Making of Modern Colombia: A Nation in Spite of Itself by David Bushnell There Are No Dead Here: A Story of Murder and Denial in Colombia by Maria McFarland Sánchez-MorenoEven Silence Has an End: My Six Years of Captivity in the Colombian Jungle by Ingrid BetancourtBetween Legitimacy and Violence: A History of Colombia, 1875–2002 (Latin America in Translation by Marco Palacios and 1 more)Colombia: A Concise Contemporary History by Michael J. LaRosa and 1 moreUntil next time; stay inside, stay alive.

⚠️ CONTENT WARNINGIf Part 1 was about how the warning signs were ignored, Part 2 is where the consequences become horrifyingly clear.This episode picks up where the slow burn ends; and where the true scale of the nightmare is revealed.Luis Alfredo Garavito Cubillos, infamously known as La Bestia (The Beast), went on to become one of the most prolific serial killers in recorded history.Between 1992 and 1999, he sexually assaulted more than 200 victims and is believed to have sexually assaulted and murdered at least 193 children, mostly young boys, across western Colombia. And somehow… he kept going.!!!!This episode contains discussions of child sexual abuse, torture, murder, survivor testimony, and institutional failure. We avoid gratuitous detail, but the material is deeply disturbing. Please listen with care!!!!This is where everything collapses; for the victims, for investigators, and eventually, for Garavito himself.In Part 2, we break down:The murders and how Garavito operated for years without detectionThe voices and experiences of surviving victimsHow small mistakes — and chance encounters — finally led to his arrestThe shocking details of his confessionsHis sentencing, plea deals, and the massive controversy surrounding themHis death, and why justice still feels unfinishedSpoiler alert: the legal outcome will probably make your blood boil.Check out our website for sources and more at www.naturevsnarcissism.com. Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Karen Margaret Greenlee; born in 1958, was an apprentice embalmer in Sacramento, California who sexually assaulted over 40 deceased individuals. She called herself the “morgue rat”. She is considered as the "best-known modern practitioner of necrophilia", and her case was the subject of much research due to her sex as only ten percent of known necrophiles are women. The first 4 ½ minutes is an announcement about this series and how it came about. We start talking about Greenlee at the 5 minute mark. Feel free to skip forward, but if you do, you may be lost for this particular series.Fun Fact: Did you know that necrophilia did not become illegal until 2003 in the United Kingdom?? Did you know that in the United States though, there is no federal legislation specifically barring sex with a corpse. However, multiple states have their own laws. In Ohio, it is a Felony in the fifth degree. It appears as though the states that do not have legislation against it are: Massachusetts, New Mexico, South Dakota, Vermont, and Virginia. #TheMoreYouKnow.Check out our website for sources and more at www.naturevsnarcissism.com Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Day 31 of the Crimetober Series is about the Liske family murders, which occurred on October 31, 2010.Sourceshttps://www.brainjet.com/random/1566961/crimes-committed-on-halloween/ http://www.sanduskyregister.com/story/201011220001https://www.wvnstv.com/digital-desk/infamous-halloween-murders/amp/ https://www.businessinsider.com/murders-halloween-night-2018-10 https://alabamabioclean.com/frightening-crimes-that-happen-on-halloween/ https://popculturecrime.medium.com/today-in-true-crime-history-october-31-f75c4e3537e0

PUPPAWEEN!!!As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we like to throw in some extra TREATS and give you fun episodes that are not all about eating things. For this episode, Heather & Becca brought in the DOGGOS!!!!! We wanted Gizmo, Luna Bear, and Rocket to try on Halloween costumes, eat some treats, and wear their cute little bandanas! ENJOY THE CHAOS OF CUTENESS!!!

Day 28 of the Crimetober Series is about the disappearance of Gloria Ann Gonzales, which occurred on October 28, 1971, and the other Texas Killing Fields’ victims. I apologize for the late release Sourceshttps://popculturecrime.medium.com/today-in-true-crime-history-october-28-da18ea0757e7 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/33354927/gloria_ann-gonzales https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Killing_Fields https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/seeking-information-in-unsolved-killing-fields-murders-091819 https://www.newsweek.com/texas-killing-fields-victims-families-parents-netflix-1765359 https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/2017/10/18/243184/investigators-think-they-know-who-killed-eleven-girls-around-galveston-in-the-1970s-2/ The Generation Why Podcast coverage: https://podcasts.apple.com/ro/podcast/texas-killing-fields/id541481026?i=1000367853410

As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we added a series called Tricks N’ Treats! This series includes a video on Patreon where Heather and her guests blindly try weird/odd/different snacks and drinks. Each episode will include at least 3 snacks and at least 3 drinks that are rated on a scale of 1 (worst) to 6 (best). Each number in the scale is a particular Halloween candy. The Scale:6 - Reese’s Pumpkins5 - M&M’s4 - Caramel Apple Lollipops3 - Skittles2 - Smarties1 - Mary Jane Peanut Butter KissesToday’s episode was Heather & Ollie (part 2)

Day 25 of the Crimetober Series is a two-fer about the day that notorious gangster Albert Anastasia was killed, which occurred on October 25, 1957 and the day premiere of John Carpenter’s film ‘Halloween’, which occurred on October 25, 1978.I apologize for the late release Sourceshttps://www.thisdaytrivia.com/trivia/october-25 https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/59788/15-terrifying-facts-about-john-carpenters-halloween https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077651/trivia/ https://www.businessinsider.com/halloween-horror-movie-interesting-things-to-know-2021-10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Anastasia#:~:text=to%20avenge%20Frank.-,Death,walk%20outside%2C%20leaving%20him%20unprotected. https://themobmuseum.org/timeline_events/albert-anastasia-killed/ https://www.britannica.com/biography/Albert-Anastasia https://allthatsinteresting.com/albert-anastasia https://www.loc.gov/item/2021638459/ https://www.britannica.com/topic/Murder-Inc-American-crime-syndicate Raab, Selwyn (2005). Five Families: The Rise, Decline, and Resurgence of America's Most Powerful Mafia Empires. New York: St. Martin Press. ISBN 0-312-30094-8."RACKET CHIEF SLAIN BY GANGSTER GUNFIRE; Giuseppe Masseria, Known as Joe the Boss, Shot Mysteriously in Coney Island Cafe."BIGGER THAN AL CAPONE" Police Say He Was Leader in Every Kind of Racket--He Escaped Death Many Times. Shooting Still a Mystery. RACKET CHIEF SLAIN BY GANG'S GUNFIRE Became Leader as Youth. Escaped Second Ambush". The New York Times. April 16, 1931. Pollak, Michael (June 29, 2012). "Coney Island's Big Hit". The New York Times.

Day 24 of the Crimetober Series is about the day that Joseph David Emerson almost took down an entire plane, which occurred on October 24, 2023.I apologize for the late release Sourceshttps://www.cnn.com/2023/12/05/us/oregon-indictment-off-duty-pilot-engine-incident/index.html#:~:text=Off%2Dduty%20pilot%20Joseph%20D,a%20plane's%20engines%20mid%2Dflight.&text=Joseph%20Emerson%2C%20the%20Alaska%20Airlines,in%20an%20Oregon%20court%20Tuesday. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-alaska-airlines-pilot-tried-cut-planes-engines-released-jail-rcna128680 https://www.opb.org/article/2023/12/07/judge-says-ex-alaska-airlines-pilot-who-tried-to-cut-planes-engines-can-be-released-before-trial/ https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/23/us/alaska-airlines-flight-diverted.html https://nypost.com/2024/08/24/world-news/ex-alaska-airlines-pilot-joseph-emerson-who-tried-to-down-flight-while-on-magic-mushrooms-trip-wants-to-fly-again/

Day 23 of the Crimetober Series is about the murder of Doctor Barnett Slepian’s murder which occurred on October 23, 1998.I apologize for the late release Sources https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/october-23-video https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/an-abortion-performing-doctor-is-murdered https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1169315/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/abortviolence/stories/sniper.htm https://buffalonews.com/news/local/the-murder-of-barnett-slepian-25-years-later/collection_7fffe252-7018-11ee-974a-ff166aeeb020.html

Day 21 of the Crimetober Series is about the “Rust” film shooting which occurred on October 21, 2021.I apologize for the late release Sourceshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_shooting_incident https://www.nytimes.com/article/alec-baldwin-shooting-investigation.html https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-64824526 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rust-shooting-timeline-alec-baldwin-halyna-hutchins/ https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/rust-film-set-shooting