122 Avoid

122 Avoid

From Neurospicy Dialogues by Kimberly Jürgen and Cara Jean Wilson

March 23, 2026 · 39 min · Season 1 · Episode 22

About this episode

Kimberly and Cara explore the concept of 'avoid' as a comfort in the void, discussing trust, consent culture, and the nuances of saying 'no'.

Kimberly throws a curveball right out of the gate. Instead of treating "avoid" as a verb, she splits it into a noun and lands on something unexpected: the comfort of being in a void. What follows is a winding conversation about designing your life around silence, aging into the brain you actually have, and why "neurospicy" captures something that "neurodivergent" never will. Cara brings her inclusivity training framework into the mix, and they both end up in a creek. Screaming. It makes sense in context. The "Is It Just Me?" segment takes a sharp turn into trust - specifically, what happens when you lose trust in people you've never even met. Kimberly unpacks the Olympics, the White House, and why the U.S. Women's hockey team declining an invitation twice in one day might be the most powerful "no" of the year. Cara drops Stephen Covey's one-liner that makes trust stupidly simple: make a commitment and keep it. From there, it's consent culture versus hustle culture, why no one owes you a no with a smile, and a drag queen's masterclass on the difference between "no" and "oh..."

People in this episode

Hosts: Kimberly, Cara

Topics covered

  • comfort of being in a void
  • silence
  • aging
  • neurospicy
  • trust
  • consent culture
  • hustle culture

Keywords

  • neurodivergent
  • inclusivity training
  • U.S. Women's hockey team
  • Stephen Covey

Mentioned in this episode

Books & works: Is It Just Me

Places: U.S.

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