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Ep 32. Agile Development: Websites that Evolve
Jun 18, 2026
30m 45s
Ep 31. Inclusive design
May 21, 2026
40m 00s
Ep 30. Content design
Apr 2, 2026
35m 41s
Ep 29. Making a website owners manual
Mar 13, 2026
59m 35s
Ep 28. Trap or Trade off What small businesses should know before getting a website
Feb 6, 2026
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| 6/18/26 | ![]() Ep 32. Agile Development: Websites that Evolve | On the podcast today David Waumsley and Nathan Wrigley dive into the world of agile development, focusing on how websites can, and perhaps should, be treated as living products that evolve over time, rather than as static, one-off deliverables. David and Nathan unpack what agile development really means for web designers and website owners, explaining the mindset shift needed to move away from the “perfect launch” mentality and toward an approach built on small, continual improvements.We start by hearing about the core principles of agile, starting with a minimum viable product, iterating in small increments, and letting real-world feedback drive decisions. There’s discussion around the history of agile, tracing its roots back to the Agile Manifesto and how its values, like “individuals and interactions over processes and tools” and “responding to change over following a plan”, challenge traditional, rigid development models.You’ll also hear why adopting agile isn’t just about following a specific scrum process, but about embracing a collaborative, flexible mindset that helps reduce risk, keeps your site responsive to change, and ultimately delivers more value to users.David and Nathan share how agile practices are being applied far beyond software, touching fields as diverse as marketing, education, and banking, and what this means for client relationships and project delivery in web development.If you’ve ever struggled with projects that derail, clients worried about “scope creep,” or the stress of hard deadlines, this episode will challenge your assumptions. It’ll give you practical insights into putting agile into practice: from choosing what features to launch first, to capturing feedback and letting go of what’s not useful. If you’re ready to rethink how you approach web projects for happier clients and better results, this episode is for you.00:00 Discussing agile development approach04:44 Understanding continuous software development06:36 Benefits of Incremental Development10:31 Understanding Agile Principles16:18 The benefits of an agile approach17:58 Agile manifesto and methodology discussion22:45 Launching a Usable Website Quickly25:44 Misunderstandings about Agile process29:06 Agile principles in web development30:03 Wrapping up the episode | 30m 45s | ||||||
| 5/21/26 | ![]() Ep 31. Inclusive design✨ | inclusive designweb accessibility+4 | — | MicrosoftGoogle+1 | — | inclusive designweb standards+5 | — | 40m 00s | |
| 4/2/26 | ![]() Ep 30. Content design✨ | content designuser experience+1 | — | — | — | content designuser experience+3 | — | 35m 41s | |
| 3/13/26 | ![]() Ep 29. Making a website owners manual✨ | website owner's manualsproject management+4 | — | — | — | website managementbrand voice+3 | — | 59m 35s | |
| 2/6/26 | ![]() Ep 28. Trap or Trade off What small businesses should know before getting a website✨ | small business websitesno code website builders+4 | — | WixSquarespace+1 | — | small businesswebsite builders+6 | — | 53m 56s | |
| 1/9/26 | ![]() Ep27. Enshittification. Why We Need Independent Websites.✨ | Enshittificationindependent websites+5 | — | IndieWebOpenAI+5 | — | Enshittificationindependent websites+8 | — | 1h 06m 24s | |
| 11/29/25 | ![]() Ep26. Google Ads for Local Businesses. Avoid costly mistakes.✨ | Google Adslocal businesses+4 | — | Google | — | Google Adslocal businesses+4 | — | 41m 23s | |
| 9/10/25 | ![]() Ep25. Form options for static websites✨ | website formsstatic websites+3 | — | WordPress | — | website formsstatic websites+5 | — | 49m 33s | |
| 8/20/25 | ![]() Ep24. Don't quote us on this!✨ | testimonialsblock quotes+4 | — | — | — | testimonialsblock quotes+5 | — | 33m 19s | |
| 7/23/25 | ![]() Ep23. Are we right in the head?✨ | HTML head elementweb performance+4 | — | Safari | — | head elementmeta tags+5 | — | 35m 50s | |
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| 7/9/25 | ![]() Ep22. Are design systems worth it?✨ | design systemsweb design+4 | Paul Lacey | Nielsen Norman GroupFigma+1 | — | design systemsweb design+5 | — | 1h 06m 50s | |
| 6/25/25 | ![]() Ep21. Website Navigation Why is it so bloody awful?✨ | website navigationuser experience+3 | — | Nielsen Norman Group | — | website navigationUX+3 | — | 39m 48s | |
| 6/11/25 | ![]() Ep20. Website accordions the good the bad and the ugly | On the podcast today we have the usual suspects - Nathan Wrigley and David Waumsley.This is the first in a new series where Nathan and David take a deep dive into different website components - today’s focus is on accordions. You know the ones: those hide-and-show sections you often see on FAQ pages, product details, or anywhere there’s a need to tidy up lots of information into collapsible panels. But what makes an accordion actually a good solution for your site, and when does it start to get in the way?Nathan and David kick things off by defining what an accordion is (with a nod to the UX authorities and the W3C) - and clarifying, with a bit of humour, what does and does not count as an accordion out in the wild. They look at the types of accordions - exclusive, non-exclusive, and toggle - and discuss how these patterns got established in web design.They also reflect on their own use (and sometimes overuse) of accordions in client work, especially handy within page builders, and how their thinking has changed as the web’s evolved.Then it’s onto the technical side: the code needed. David explains why, until recently, JavaScript was essential for accessible accordions, but now, thanks to advances in HTML (details and summary elements), CSS (with exciting new features like interpolate size), and improved browser support, you can build robust accordions without a single line of JavaScript - plus some important gotchas and accessibility considerations to watch for.They round things off by discussing when accordions add value - helping reduce overwhelm and improve scanability (is that a word?!) - and when they can cause problems, like increasing "interaction cost," fragmenting information, or raising accessibility and SEO concerns. There are design details to consider, as well as practical recommendations for ensuring your accordions are friendly for both users and search engines.And if you want to see these concepts put into practice, the episode is paired with a follow-up video where David and Nathan demonstrate real code snippets and examples at noscript.show/learn/12.If you’ve ever wondered whether you’re using accordions for the right reasons, how to build them the modern way, or want a clearer picture of their pros and cons - you won’t want to miss this episode.Timestamps:00:00 Accordion Design and Definition06:22 FAQ Page Building Approach07:52 HTML-Only Accordions Evolve12:04 "Content Organization: Pros and Cons"13:47 Logitech Product Page Analysis16:56 "Accordion Utility in CMS Design"22:02 Browser Styling Challenges and Limitations24:49 Schema Markup for FAQs27:43 "Purpose of Hiding FAQ Content"29:56 "New Development Wrap-Up" | 30m 14s | ||||||
| 5/28/25 | ![]() Ep19. Becoming a better freelance web designer | On the podcast today David Waumsley and Nathan Wrigley discuss some of the things that they've done well, and not so well over their 20 years as web site builders.David kicks off by reflecting on some common missteps: not fully understanding the nature of the web, getting distracted by new tools and dependencies, and forgetting the basic tenets of good markup and accessibility.He and Nathan talk about the importance of simple, semantic HTML first, focusing on communication before aesthetics, and the recurring struggle with over-complicating even the most basic sites.From there, they examine why recurring revenue is essential for freelancers, how face-to-face and honest communication with clients can be a superpower, and why being agile, building projects around the client rather than forcing the client into a predefined 'system', can be transformational.The episode is full of candid admissions and practical insights: David talks about his ongoing battle to minimise dependencies and keep his projects hand-off ready, the value of welcoming all kinds of clients/projects (even friends and family), and why he’s moved away from selling websites as self-contained 'products' towards offering them as ongoing, collaborative communication tools.Finally, Nathan and David lay out their plan for the future of the show: a practical series focused on building up a library of reusable website 'components', demonstrating not just how to write cleaner code, but how to think about user experience, accessibility, and long-term maintainability.If you want to become a better freelance web designer, or just want to hear what two experienced freelancers wish they’d done differently, this episode is for you.Timestamps:00:00 Revisiting Web Design Fundamentals03:50 "Web Evolution and Future Trends"09:37 From HTML Learner to WordPress Builder10:23 Tech Complexity: Unnecessary Dependencies16:22 Balancing Solo Work and Agility19:24 Website Maintenance Challenges23:13 Early Web Development Business Growth26:10 Human Connection as Future Asset30:22 Misconceptions in Page Builder Circles33:23 "The Value of Being a Generalist"35:57 Prioritizing Content and Efficiency37:34 Streamlined Approach to Optimization | 39m 30s | ||||||
| 5/10/25 | ![]() Ep18. Programmatic CSS. Where is this going? | On the podcast today Nathan and David explore changes in the world of web technology, with a particular focus on CSS and front-end development.They’re taking a step back to look at where CSS is heading, and in particular, how the rise of “programmatic CSS” is shifting the landscape for developers, designers, and anyone building for the web.If you feel overwhelmed by the sheer volume of new CSS specifications, features, and ideas, things like inline if statements, new functions, and increasingly dynamic capabilities, then you’re not alone.David shares his experience coming from a more traditional, declarative CSS background, and how the influx of new, more “programming-like” CSS features can make even the most confident among us feel lost at sea.Nathan and David begin by reflecting on their own experiences learning programming, and how the evolution of CSS is blurring the lines between a simple presentational language and a more robust toolset for web design. They talk about what actually constitutes a programming language, how the nature of CSS is changing, and why this matters for anyone used to building sites with page builders or more traditional CSS workflows.As the episode unfolds, they discuss the impact of these new CSS capabilities on everything from browser support to page builder UIs, to the continued importance of clear communication and content-first design.Along the way, they touch on topics like CSS generators, the roles of standards bodies like the W3C, and the practical realities of adopting new CSS features at different skill levels.Towards the end of the episode, they look at how these changes might shape the job market for front-end developers and designers, and what it will mean for agencies, clients, and those teaching themselves how to build for the web.If you’ve been hearing about “programmatic CSS,” feeling bewildered by the speed of change, or just want to get a sense of where things are heading and what skills might be important for the web’s next chapter, this episode is for you. | 43m 39s | ||||||
| 3/19/25 | ![]() Ep17. Should we be offering clients a CMS? | On the podcast today, we have Paul Lacey, an experienced UK designer deeply entrenched in the world of WordPress. With years of experience working with agencies and clients, Paul will help us tackle the question: should we be offering clients a Content Management System (CMS)?Paul brings a wealth of knowledge, having transitioned from a small agency owner to a freelance web consultant. He focuses on building websites and consulting, steering clear of marketing but fully embracing the technological side. We delve into the challenges and decisions surrounding the use of CMSs like WordPress, how they have influenced the design process over the years, and whether or not they are necessary for clients.We discuss the practical aspects of offering a CMS: managing content, user permissions, and dealing with the demands and constraints that often come with these systems. Paul shares his experiences navigating these waters, working with both direct clients and agencies, and his thoughts on where the industry might be headed.If you've ever grappled with the decision of whether to integrate a CMS into your workflow or simply offer bespoke solutions to your clients, this episode will provide you insight and perspective on the evolving landscape of web design and development. | 56m 04s | ||||||
| 3/5/25 | ![]() Ep16. Indie Web: a people focussed alternative to the "corporate web" | On the podcast today, Nathan and David are exploring the fascinating world of the Indie Web, which presents itself as a people-focused alternative to the corporate-controlled web. This episode delves into what the Indie Web movement is all about, and why it might be the right choice for those concerned with the current state of internet ownership and privacy.Nathan talks about how the Indie Web prioritises individual ownership of content and domain usage as a primary online identity. David gets into how owning your online presence can be more aligned with a people-first approach.We also discuss topics such as the adoption of protocols like ActivityPub, which is helping to decentralise social media experiences with platforms like Mastodon, and how this growing trend away from corporate platforms towards more open, standards-based alternatives.The conversation also touches on the role of state interventions, privacy concerns, and the rise of creative independence on the web. There's intriguing developments like POSSE (Publish on your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere) and Web Mentions, which support decentralised and independent publishing.If you're intrigued by the shift towards a more humane, personalised web experience, or you're exploring how to reclaim your online identity, this episode is for you.Join Nathan and David as they explore not just the theoretical underpinnings of the Indie Web, but also practical steps you can take to become part of this movement. | 45m 45s | ||||||
| 1/9/25 | ![]() Ep15. Static vs dynamic for content heavy websites | On the podcast today, we’re diving deep into a crucial discussion for website developers and enthusiasts alike: the considerations between static and dynamic content-heavy websites. I’m joined by our hosts, Nathan Wrigley and David Waumsley, who will unravel the complexities of these two approaches.Throughout their conversation, Nathan and David explore various facets of website architecture, starting with the fundamental concept of atomizing components like headers and footers for efficient management. They delve into the resurgence of a more code-centric web development practice as opposed to the no-code trend typically associated with WordPress.Static site generators are a hot topic in this episode, with David and Nathan highlighting popular options like Hugo, 11ty, Next JS, and Astro. Despite these tools’ growing popularity, they don’t shy away from discussing the challenges, such as the need for technical skills and the overwhelming choice of over 365 static site generators.WordPress, a staple in their web development careers, is contrasted with newer static site approaches, noting the ease of use versus the deep control over code output. They also weigh in on SEO and automation considerations, crucial for content-heavy sites, and the financial aspects tied to maintaining WordPress sites.In a candid moment, David shares his experience transitioning to 11ty, a flexible static site generator favored for its simplicity and quick build times. They discuss the learning curve, especially for those not well-versed in JavaScript, and the potential of using 11ty for larger projectsThe dynamic vs. static debate continues as they consider the future of their own website, touching on personal reflections and the exciting possibilities that come with exploring new technologies.If you’re navigating the choice between dynamic content management systems like WordPress and the evolving landscape of static site generators, this episode promises valuable insights and practical advice. Tune in, and join Nathan and David as they tackle the dynamic and static showdown head-on. | 36m 40s | ||||||
| 7/23/24 | ![]() Ep14. The Frontend Divide: UX Designers vs JavaScript Specialists | In this episode of No Script Show, Nathan Wrigley and David Waumsley dive into the evolving landscape of frontend development, focusing on the divide between UX designers and JavaScript specialists. Join us for a detailed discussion on the complexities and dynamics of modern web design.The role of Google and Meta in open source and their impact on project stability.Evolution of CSS and JavaScript, including trends like using CSS as a programming language.The growing complexity and specialisation in frontend development and its effects on newcomers.Insights on the divide within WordPress development between block editors and traditional coding.Emerging technologies like Web Assembly and their anticipated impact on web development.Timestamps:00:00 Summary: Last topic on WP Builds platform, relevant WordPress changes.05:20 Concerns about changes in web design industry.08:29 Women find communication jobs using HTML, JavaScript.11:11 Complex code could impact performance and users.15:56 Google and other companies support open source.17:44 JavaScript essential for front end developers.21:36 CSS grid enables fluid web design breakthroughs.23:21 Apple's advertising of seemingly pointless features.28:17 Efficient tools simplify CSS coding and structure.32:20 Brave browser activates reader mode automatically.33:22 Desire for web integration in everyday objects.37:05 Gutenberg's impact on WordPress page building.42:00 Coyier's article emphasises WebPress development and winners.43:16 Transitioning to video content from podcast. | 44m 07s | ||||||
| 7/17/24 | ![]() Ep13. What is the W3C doing about AI? | Join Nathan Wrigley and David Waumsley as they dive into the latest W3C report on AI and its impact on the web, exploring the future of AI standards and ethical considerations. Discover the potential and challenges AI brings to web browsing, creativity, and data management.Discussion on environmental costs and sustainability of AI technology.Concerns about AI over-hype and its impact on creative and entry-level jobs.Insights into the W3C's proposed AI standards for transparency and data control.The debate over AI's ability to understand the context in creative tasks.Potential regulatory roles of governments and the changing perspectives on data ownership.Timestamps:00:00 AI may eliminate entry-level creative career opportunities.06:03 CSS evolving backward to old techniques, concerns.08:15 AI struggles with decision-making, enjoys watching mistakes.13:02 Questioning involvement with global, political, economic motives.16:18 Report outlines stages: input, interviews, standardization, success.17:52 AI impact and ethical concerns in technology.21:03 AI poses threat to web accessibility, SEO.24:22 Support for HTML markup for accessibility despite pushback.28:39 Personal connection drives services, predicts big tech breakup.32:44 AI progress may slow due to costs.34:34 Human condition demands continuous exponential improvement in content.37:32 Organizations' short-term profit vs. long-term AI future.40:39 David will make changes, but it was lovely. | 40m 46s | ||||||
| 6/12/24 | ![]() Ep12. How web typography has evolved | In this episode of No Script Show, Nathan Wrigley and David Waumsley delve into the intricate world of web typography and its evolution. From historical practices to modern advancements, they uncover the elements that shape today's web design.- Transition from pixels to rems and its impact on accessibility- Exploring new features in web typography like font loading and background clipping- Importance of fluid typography and tools like Utopia CSS generator- Challenges and beauty of typography for Chinese, Japanese, and Korean characters- Benefits of chromatic fonts, CSS columns, and underused HTML tags like kbd and wbrTimestamps:00:00 Web design historically overlooked readability and formatting.03:40 Fascinated by typography, but career path chosen.06:34 Web design: Typography shifts in responsive web.09:59 REMS, viewport units, fluid typography revolutionize design.14:13 Fluid typography adapts, but has limitations with zoom.18:17 Discussion on X and typography for web design.19:41 Using V Max for flexible layout design.23:44 Transitioned from limited to abundant font options.26:03 Clarity in web design and font choice.31:34 Underlining now seen as essential in UI.33:10 Some consider using offset in CSS resets.37:15 Variable fonts allow for greater design control.42:22 HTML tags can be forgotten in web design.44:15 Safari-only feature for hanging punctuation in quotes.47:48 New languages make coding easier, improve display.50:03 Indefinite break, be back with episode 12. | 50m 23s | ||||||
| 5/16/24 | ![]() Ep11. What’s new in web images. Are they worth a thousand words? | Welcome to the no script show about modern web design where we look at what we can build today with minimal software and skills.Today we are talking about web images. We’ll cover technological changes such as new optimised formats and CSS properties.And talk about the challenges of creating a fast and eco-friendly experience whilst also trying to make visually attractive designs for devices that range from wrist watches to 4k TV screens. In this episode of No Script Show, hosts David Waumsley and Nathan Wrigley dive into the latest advancements in web images and their impact on design, performance, and the environment. Discover the essential tools and techniques for optimising your web visuals in today’s digital landscape.- Explore new CSS properties like object fit, aspect ratio, and filters to enhance responsive web design.- Understand the importance of image optimisation with WordPress features for alt tags and the use of "loading=lazy" for improved loading times.- Learn about the "picture" tag and "source set" for effective art direction and device-specific imagery.- Discussion on the pros and cons of using HTML tags vs. CSS for background images, especially in responsive design contexts.- Delve into the latest image formats such as WebP and AVIF, and their role in modern web development.Timestamps:00:00 Struggling with web image complexity and lag.06:17 Some generator colours work best with black.07:09 CSS features for clipping, masking, and filtering.12:02 Debating image use in HTML and CSS.14:50 WordPress CMS made adding alt tags effortless.19:32 Picture tag allows for adaptable image selection.21:48 Struggle with image cropping and coding dilemmas.24:56 Exciting technology, but hindered by third-party solution.28:12 Google promoting WebP, SVG v2 from 2018.32:45 Images can drive powerful messages if relevant.36:31 Questioning use of stock images in medicine.37:33 Web development trends and tools discussed, worthwhile. | 38m 05s | ||||||
| 5/2/24 | ![]() Ep10. User Preferences: rethinking web design | Explore the future of web design with our latest episode of No Script Show, where we delve into the emerging CSS media features that cater to user preferences. Join us as we discuss how these features reshape the online experience.- Learn about the new CSS media queries that enable unique user-centric web experiences.- Discover statistics on user adoption of features like dark mode and the expectation for automatic application on websites.- Examine the technical challenges and potential solutions involved in implementing toggles for various user preferences.- Discuss the pros and cons of integrating these CSS features from both developer and client perspectives.- Explore the significance of these developments for accessibility and the long-term benefits for web design.Tune in to gain insight into how user preferences are driving changes in web design.00:00 SaaS apps offering user-friendly customisation options.05:10 Repetition of same feature for different types.09:20 Quickly dip into links, educate ourselves on preferences.09:52 Preference for dark mode driven by energy efficiency.14:59 Reduced data for web content consumption detection.19:00 Reduced motion support discussed among developers.19:33 Struggling to find a need for animation.24:44 Many developers prefer dark mode for coding.27:57 Most users switch to dark mode after 10:00 PM.31:01 Safari considering adding light and dark modes.34:14 Tech infancy, user behaviours and branding control.36:02 People are getting smarter, web is evolving. | 37m 54s | ||||||
| 4/17/24 | ![]() 9 - Does Baseline solve our browser support problems? | Welcome to the noscript show about modern web design where we look at what we can build today with minimal software dependencies and skills.With so much new CSS spec coming out it seemed a good time to have a chat about how we handle browser support.In particular, Baseline which is a Google initiative introduced in 2023 that aims to make it easier for developers and other website stakeholders to understand what might be ready for production. | 43m 17s | ||||||
| 4/11/24 | ![]() 8 - Designing an effective homepage | Welcome to the no script web show about modern web design where we look at what we can build today with minimal dependencies and skills.Last time we were defining some aims for the show’s website (which we are developing as part of the podcast). Now, we need a design to help it connect with the right audience.If we were experts in User Experience (UX) and its associated disciplines such as copywriting, branding, graphic design and SEO we might look at each of these in turn.We are not, so instead we’ve created a rough homepage design and we use this episode to critique it against what we think various expert bodies might say. | 55m 24s | ||||||
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