The Gift of Sobriety by Un-Fucking Yourself: A Conversation with Cat Greenleaf

About this episode

Chad Johnson and Cat Greenleaf discuss spirituality, addiction, and the journey of recovery in a candid conversation about sobriety.

In this powerful and refreshingly honest conversation, Chad sits down with Cat Greenleaf of the Soberness podcast for a deep dive into spirituality, addiction, recovery, and what it really means to come home to yourself. Cat traces her journey from a spiritually attuned child to a successful public figure quietly struggling with alcoholism—and ultimately to a woman living openly and intentionally in recovery. Together, Chad and Cat explore the messy middle: the isolation of addiction, the courage it takes to ask for help, and the life-changing importance of community and connection. The conversation unpacks the role of the 12-step program and Alcoholics Anonymous , while also embracing the truth that recovery is not one-size-fits-all. Cat speaks candidly about the idea of “whatever works” —honoring multiple pathways to sobriety and meeting people exactly where they are. They also touch on cultural moments like Dry January , the growing openness around sobriety, and why talking honestly about addiction matters now more than ever. This episode is about surrender and strength, humility and humor, and the radical power of sharing your story out loud. And fittingly, this conversation…

People in this episode

Host: Chad Johnson

Guest: Cat Greenleaf

Topics covered

• spirituality
• addiction
• recovery
• community
• 12-step program
• sobriety
• mental health

Keywords

• sobriety
• addiction
• recovery
• community
• 12-step program
• Alcoholics Anonymous
• Dry January
• mental health
• spirituality
• personal journey

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Soberness podcast, Alcoholics Anonymous, Lymbic Podcast Network

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