Org Design Podcast

This episode is a practical deep dive into how organisations actually change—not just talk about it. Simon Davies (20+ years in org design across Europe and North America) breaks down why most “transformation” efforts fail, and what leaders should do instead. The core idea: You have two choices when leading change—force compliance or build commitment. Simon argues that while top-down decisions feel faster, they create a long tail of resistance. A collaborative approach may feel slower upfront, but leads to faster, smoother execution because people support what they help create. The conversation explores: Why “buy-in” is a flawed concept How to involve people without losing control What an operating model actually is (in plain English) The real signs your organisation needs redesign How to structure change so it doesn’t become chaos If you’re leading a team or organisation and feeling friction, misalignment, or stalled progress—this episode gives you a practical lens to rethink how change happens. @functionly @orgdesignpodcast www.functionly.com

In this episode of the Org Design Podcast, I sit down with Ann Greene from Alagi to explore the complexities of organizational design. We dive into the misconception that there is a perfect structure for every organization, discussing why that ideal doesn't exist and how some designs can be detrimental. Ann highlights common symptoms of poor org design, such as slow decision-making and ineffective collaboration, and emphasizes the importance of aligning design with strategy. Through engaging analogies, including one about wardrobe organization, we uncover the creative and structured approach necessary for effective org design. Join us for insights that can help leaders tackle their organizational challenges head-on.

Recorded live in Milan at the European Organisation Design Forum, this conversation with Stelio Verzera goes far beyond org charts. Stelio traces his path from aerospace engineering and early internet consulting into 30 years of sociotechnical systems work, and explains why organizations should be treated as living, evolving systems not machines. You’ll hear why he uses serious games and Lego Serious Play to surface what people feel and “don’t know they know” about performance, trust, leadership and strategy and why working with your hands can create breakthroughs that stick for years. Stelio shares the moments that define teams, including when senior leaders unexpectedly find language for what matters and the room changes. He also offers a leader-ready model for change using the metaphor of a river: tools and processes are visible on the surface, but capabilities, culture and people sit deeper and move slower. Ignore the deeper layers and you create change fatigue because the “inertia of the river” will swallow your initiatives. Finally, Stelio looks forward. He argues org design is shifting from mechanistic thinking to organic, adaptive organizing and now toward an ecosystemic view where organizational “boundaries” are mental constructs and leaders’ responsibility extends across partners, families and communities. With AI automating more knowledge work, Stelio believes the future of org design will center even more on relationships, context, and how humans collaborate in a messy world to create value that benefits the whole ecosystem. Functionly www.functionly.com Org Design podcast www.functionly.com/org-design-podcast Cocoon Pro cocoon-pro.com

n this episode of the Org Design Podcast, recorded live at the Org Design Festival, hosts Tim Brewer and Amy Springer sit down with Shannon Horne, HR leader and transformation specialist, to explore the realities of organizational design inside a global company of 11,000 employees. Shannon shares her journey into org design, the challenges of turning strategy into structure, and why confusion, turnover, and missed ROI often come when org design is treated as an afterthought. She offers practical insights on creating healthier org design cultures—where employees feel secure, leaders are transparent, and talent is repurposed rather than lost. For leaders wondering if they have an org design problem on their hands, Shannon also gives her “friend-to-friend” advice: start with discovery before restructuring, and ask whether the issue is really structure—or something deeper. This episode is packed with real-world transformation lessons and practical tips for executives, HR professionals, and organizational designers who want to avoid chaos and build resilient, people-centered organizations. Shannon Horne https://www.linkedin.com/in/shannonhorne/ Functionly https://www.linkedin.com/company/functionly https://www.functionly.com/ Org Design Podcast https://www.linkedin.com/company/orgdesignpodcast https://www.functionly.com/org-design-podcast Organization Design Forum https://organizationdesignforum.org/

In this episode of the Org Design Podcast, Tim Brewer and Damian Bramanis sit down with Adrian Clarke and Dean Bonas from Virgin Media O2 to unpack how they built and scaled an internal Org Design capability from the ground up. From the accidental career paths that led them into OD, to the challenge of designing the joint venture between Virgin Media and O2, Adrian and Dean share powerful insights on solving cross-functional problems, building leadership capacity, and creating a culture of change. They reveal the tools, frameworks, and cheat sheets they rely on, why operating models are more than org charts, and what it takes to prepare an organization for constant transformation and the rise of AI. If you’re a leader facing major transformation, M&A, or simply curious about how to embed org design in your company, this is a masterclass from two people who’ve lived it. Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/yHI3cbPyekA The Org Design Podcast https://www.functionly.com/org-design-podcast https://www.linkedin.com/company/orgdesignpodcast/ Functionly https://www.functionly.com https://www.linkedin.com/company/functionly/ Dean Bonas https://www.linkedin.com/in/deanbonas/ Adrian Clarke https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrianclarke2/

What if org design wasn’t a three-year consulting project but a living, breathing practice? In this episode, Tim Brewer and Amy Springer sit down with Jules Siegel-Hawley, who has shaped job architecture and organizational systems at Doctors Without Borders and beyond. Jules shares how her background in clinical social work and acting led her into “cool HR,” why job architecture is the most high-stakes but foundational part of org design, and why leaders should treat organizational design as an ongoing rhythm rather than a big-bang transformation. From managing the tension of titles, power, and compensation, to exploring the rise of AI-human ecosystems, Jules unpacks the evolving challenges of leadership, transparency, and collaboration. Whether you’re leading a startup or managing a division in a global enterprise, this episode will help you see org design not as a one-off project, but as a practice of constant iteration, clarity, and trust. Jules Siegel-Hawley https://www.linkedin.com/in/jules-siegel-hawley-52210274/ https://www.andesadvisory.co/ Functionly https://www.functionly.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/functionly/ Org Design Podcast https://www.functionly.com/org-design-podcast https://www.linkedin.com/company/orgdesignpodcast/

In this episode of The Org Design Podcast, Damian Bramanis and Amy Springer sit down with Mike Montague, founder of Avenue Nine, to explore how marketing is becoming a microcosm for the future of organizational design. They dive into: - How AI is disrupting entry-level marketing roles while amplifying mid- and senior-level capabilities - The shift from “feed the beast” content creation to message-first, strategy-driven marketing - Why brand voice and positioning remain the unshakable core amidst rapid technological change - How small and medium-sized businesses can leverage AI to compete with—and even outpace—big agencies - The storytelling essentials leaders need to bring teams along during times of rapid transformation Packed with practical insights, this episode reveals how marketing orgs are adapting to AI’s impact, what skills will matter most, and how leaders can design teams that thrive in the new landscape. Watch the episode on YouTube - https://youtu.be/Y6BUUnU4gc0 Org Design Podcast https://www.functionly.com/org-design-podcast https://open.spotify.com/show/0Xw3bbEISDbSDO5WT8O7bu?si=9c96e90e72394e20 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/org-design-podcast/id1501527726 Functionly https://www.functionly.com/ Avenue9 and Mike Montague https://avenue9.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/avenue9ai/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikedmontague/

Live from Milan at the European Organization Design Forum (EODF), Tim Brewer and Damian Bramanis sit down with Anissa Oukhiar — EODF Chair, trustee, and host of Brown, Brainy and Beautiful. Anissa shares her unconventional journey into org design, from a multi-disciplinary academic path to finding her place in a collaborative consultancy, and ultimately leading a diverse, values-driven community. She explains why EODF is the “hippies” of the org design world, what makes its conferences so unique, and how the community’s spirit fosters both inclusion and innovation. This conversation dives into: • The power of pulling yourself into leadership roles rather than planning them • Why representation matters without tokenism • Anissa’s top three organizational symptoms that demand design intervention • The “physiotherapist” analogy for explaining org design to anyone — even a 10-year-old • How to get buy-in and navigate ambiguity without losing the human touch Whether you’re an org design veteran or just exploring the field, this episode offers both inspiration and practical wisdom from one of its most vibrant leaders. Org Design Podcast https://www.functionly.com/org-design-podcast https://www.linkedin.com/company/orgdesignpodcast/ Functionly https://www.functionly.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/functionly/ European Organisation Design Forum https://eodf.eu/ org design, EODF, Anissa Oukhiar, organizational behavior, collaborative work, community engagement, European Organization Design Forum, podcast, leadership, strategic alignment, organizational change, personal development, mentorship, networking, sustainable practices

In this candid and compelling episode of the Org Design Podcast, recorded live at the Festival of Org Design 2024, hosts Tim Brewer and Damian Bramanis sit down with Haris Ahmed, founder of Pragmatium Consulting Group, to uncover three decades of wisdom in organizational transformation. Haris shares how he stumbled into org design during the Y2K era and evolved into a strategic advisor trusted by mid-market powerhouses and ambitious startups alike. From diagnosing dysfunction to architecting adaptive systems, Haris explains why getting the strategy-structure-capability triangle right is crucial—especially when the market moves faster than your 5-year plan. This episode is packed with practical advice for founders, leaders, and change agents—from identifying cultural silos to unlocking high-performance through clear leadership dynamics. Haris also reveals the surprising power of crucial conversations, the value of external perspectives, and why org design is no longer a luxury—it’s a leadership imperative. Haris Ahmed https://www.linkedin.com/in/harisahmedusa/ https://pragmatiumconsulting.com/ The Org Design Podcast https://www.functionly.com/org-design-podcast https://www.linkedin.com/company/orgdesignpodcast/ Functionly www.functionly.com https://www.linkedin.com/company/functionly/

In this episode recorded live at EODF 2024 in Milan, we sit down with David Plink, CEO of the Top Employers Institute, for a raw and inspiring conversation on what it really takes to lead lasting organizational change. Hosted by Tim Brewer and Damian Bramanis, David reflects on his 16-year journey leading a global certification body across 30+ nationalities—from recovering after a life-changing illness to transforming a near-bankrupt company into a purpose-driven global movement. He shares candid stories and hard-won insights, including: ⚖️ Three essential dilemmas every leader faces in org design: 1. People follow strategy vs. People first 2. Big bang vs. Slow burn change 3. Soft approach vs. Ripping off the bandaid 🌍 Why purpose and people development are non-negotiables in modern leadership 💬 How clear communication and embracing uncertainty build safety for change 🧭 Why “clarity is kindness” and sometimes the bravest choice is the hardest one This episode is a masterclass in empathetic leadership, adaptive strategy, and organizational courage. Whether you’re a CEO, HR leader, or change agent—this one will stay with you. 🎧 Listen now to rethink how you lead through complexity. Functionly www.functionly.com https://www.linkedin.com/company/functionly/ Org Design Podcast https://www.linkedin.com/company/orgdesignpodcast/ Top Employers Institute https://www.top-employers.com/us/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/topemployersinstitute/

In this episode of the Org Design Podcast, hosts Amy Springer and Damian chatted with Lisa Taylor from Taylor Stein Consulting (L.T. Consulting), who shares her unexpected journey into the world of organizational design. Starting with a background in music and a series of adventures that led her to teach English in Taiwan, Lisa discusses her transition from performing arts to human capital and organizational consulting. Throughout the conversation, she emphasizes the importance of focusing on people and behavior change within organizations, rather than solely on processes. Lisa recounts her experiences working at various firms, including Deloitte, where she found fulfillment in collaborating with clients to address challenges and improve organizational structures. She highlights the significance of conducting thorough diagnostics to understand organizational culture and the different experiences of leadership versus the workforce. The episode explores critical themes such as the need for alignment within leadership teams, the challenges of remote work, and the future of organizational design in a rapidly changing environment. Listeners will gain insights into the importance of curiosity, open-mindedness, and collaboration in effective organizational design, along with practical advice for leaders seeking to navigate the complexities of organizational change. Tune in to understand how Lisa's unique perspective and experiences can inform and inspire your approach to building healthier organizations. 00:00 Lisa Taylor Introduction 00:20 Lisa's Accidental Journey into Org Design 01:40 The Shift from Music to HR 02:55 Realization about Organizational Change 04:05 Importance of People in Process Improvement 05:34 Collaboration with Clients 06:50 Starting the Diagnostic Process 08:15 Engaging Leaders in Org Design 09:35 Assessing Team Alignment 10:22 Skills Leaders Should Develop 11:58 Recognizing Red Flags in Organizations 13:13 Future of Org Design After COVID 14:51 Training the Next Generation of Org Designers 15:01 Conclusion and Further Contact Information The Org Design Podcast https://www.functionly.com/org-design-podcast https://www.linkedin.com/company/orgdesignpodcast/ LT consulting/ Taylor Stein Consulting https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-taylor-dc/ Organization Design Forum https://organizationdesignforum.org/

In this episode of the Org Design Podcast, Tim Brewer and Amy Springer welcome Andreas Wenger, a partner at Transforma Consulting, to discuss the intricacies of organizational design. Andreas shares his journey into the field, highlighting how his academic background in organization science laid the foundation for his practical consulting experience. He emphasizes the critical importance of aligning organizational structures with the evolving needs of clients, particularly in complex environments. Andreas recounts a compelling case study involving a care institution that successfully transformed its organizational structure to better serve its changing demographic, navigating the challenges posed by the COVID-19 pandemic. He illustrates how effective organization design can empower teams at all levels, enabling them to make decisions closer to the operational front lines. The conversation also delves into the common pitfalls of poor organizational design, the need for leaders to develop conviction around change initiatives, and the vital role of time in implementing successful transformations. Andreas encourages leaders to view organization as more than just charts and structures, advocating for a holistic approach that fosters collaboration and innovation. Join us for this insightful discussion on how to build resilient organizations and navigate the complexities of change.

Send us a textIn this episode of the Org Design Podcast, we sit down with Carlos Valdes-Dapena, a seasoned expert in organizational design and development. Carlos shares his insights on the evolving nature of organizational structures, the importance of adaptability in leadership, and the human aspects of organizational change.Carlos discusses the shift from traditional hierarchical structures to more responsive and adaptive organizational models. He emphasizes the need for leaders to let go of outdated control paradigms and embrace a more flexible approach to management. The conversation touches on the challenges of change, both for organizations and individuals, and the importance of continuous learning and adaptation in today's rapidly evolving business landscape.Key points from the episode:The transition from control-based to responsive organizational structuresThe importance of adaptability and "letting go" for leaders in modern organizationsThe human challenges in organizational change and the need for continuous learningInsights into the Organization Design Forum (ODF) and its role in the field of organizational designThe broad scope of organizational design, encompassing various aspects of how human systems operate in workplacesThis episode offers valuable insights for leaders, managers, and anyone interested in improving organizational effectiveness and navigating the complexities of modern business environments.Support the show