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Inside ‘Responsible AI’ at Google: Why this Developer Quit
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Mythos, Musk’s robots, China’s deathbots, teen boys’ AI companions, leaked therapy chats…oh my
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AI is harming users. China and New York are cracking down (but what about Meta's AI glasses?)
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| 5/12/26 | ![]() Inside ‘Responsible AI’ at Google: Why this Developer Quit | What does ‘Responsible AI’ mean inside big tech? It’s not what you might expect.Have you ever wondered what goes on behind the scenes at big tech companies working on AI products? This is the launch episode of Series 5, where we go behind the scenes of AI development and design. Today, you’ll hear from Héctor, who recently left Google’s Responsible AI team due to what we might call a “come to responsible AI moment” after personal and ethical worries regarding his role—what he was assigned to do and what he had no control over. Héctor worked for Google for over a decade, but after completing a masters in AI ethics from Cambridge, realized that he would have to leave Google to deliver his responsible AI mission: AI for human flourishing in education.We hope you enjoy this deep-dive episode.About our guest: Héctor Pérez Urbina is an AI expert with nearly 20 years of experience spanning foundational research and real-world application. He spent over a decade at Google working on Knowledge Graphs and Responsible AI and holds a PhD in AI from Oxford and a Master's in AI Ethics from Cambridge. Héctor’s research interests include AI Ethics and Responsible AI, AI for Education, and Human Flourishing. He recently announced the launch of his new company, Tlanextli Group.01:13 Introduction to Héctor: where he’s worked as an AI developer, and what roles he’s held04:20 What does a developer do in ‘Responsible AI’ at Google?05:33 When developers lack agency: Who is actually behind responsible AI decisions? How the environment of big tech inhibits ethical decision-making.08:29 What were your “success” metrics on the responsible AI team? How did you feel about the term “responsible” AI when you had so little agency in your role?11:16 Is the term “responsible AI” just lip service?11:53 When the tech goggles come off: Héctor’s “come to responsible AI” moment through AI ethics training17:59 How did the AI ethics training affect how you felt about your work? How ChatGPT changed EVERYTHING and led to leaving Google21:39 “I am an AI ethics expert, but I don’t know how to protect my daughter” - How the effect of technology on children spurred a change in course27:53 A new frontier for human flourishing: applying responsible AI lessons to AI in education31:05 What is needed for AI in education to be responsible? Héctor’s vision for his new company37:03 The promise of an AI utopia: is that what we really want?43:19 A call to action-This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com. | — | ||||||
| 5/10/26 | ![]() Mythos, Musk’s robots, China’s deathbots, teen boys’ AI companions, leaked therapy chats…oh my | This month on "What's the AI Hype?" Strap in, this is gonna be a fun one.00:00:21 There are now TWO doctors in the house! And a slew of AI hype to cover00:07:02 Presenting: Anthropic's BIGGEST model ever, Mythos, got out of its little sandbox. Plus, in the Glass Wing session, Anthropic told all the big names how much their sh*t is going to be rocked00:18:15 South Africa's first national AI policy was retracted due to AI hallucinated errors (the satire writes itself) (sorry, Angy)00:22:54 How to lie to your grandmother with China's AI deathbots and griefbots from Super Brain (are these AIs conscious?)00:34:36 Elon Musk and his robots...the boy's dream…and his lawsuit against OpenAI…and transhumanism / TESCREAL with uploading our brains (“If you want to” - Elon)00:50:16 China rules that worker was illegally replaced with AI robot00:55:12 Teen boys who use AI companions are "less employable," according to Male Allies UK (don't make us laugh - or should we say cry?)01:04:12 Virginia passes two new laws (SB 384 and HB 797) to create independent, expert bodies that audit AI systems' safety standards (lip service or public service?)01:06:06 Talkspace therapy chats of fired pregnant woman exposed in court (WHY AND HOW IS THIS ALLOWED)…and are therapy bots ethical? They’re not legal according to Illinois, and maybe California, too01:10:22 MIT Media Lab’s "Raised by AI" initiative creates new AI benchmark "nutrition labels" on how AI impacts humans socially, psychologically, and physically (we're getting somewhere!)-This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com.-Here are those links we promised in the episode:Teen boys are choosing AI girlfriends over real ones for ‘maximum control, zero rejection’—experts say it could make them unemployableWe need to talk about Robots… https://www.instagram.com/p/DW7K45XEU0b/?igsh=aXVwcTJmODlrNWMz&img_index=2And the aim - is to make it almost indistinct in look from a human … https://www.linkedin.com/posts/vincentius-liong_teslas-next-robot-might-be-almost-impossible-activity-7452741456768946176-vj7E/Transhumanism - becoming possible?https://www.instagram.com/p/DW_1mJFDOI1/?img_index=6&igsh=MW1ybms0eTBkeHA2OA%3D%3DLet’s hear from Musk… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTjVWq6vPqsMythos - Myth or Real:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crk1py1jgzkohttps://news.sky.com/video/what-risks-do-ai-models-such-as-mythos-pose-13534938https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmFKaqJg5X4https://www.spiretech.com/blog/2026/04/claude-mythos-leak-cybersecurity/https://www.anthropic.com/glasswingSouth Africa’s AI PolicySuper Brain: China’s deathbots and griefbots:https://www.npr.org/transcripts/nx-s1-5040583https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1013861https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/china-seeks-to-rein-in-risks-from-ai-digital-humansA tech worker in China is laid of and replaced by AI. Is it legal?Talkspace therapy transcripts between pregnant woman and therapist released in court Gov Pritzker signs legislation prohibiting AI therapy in IllinoisSenator Padilla introduces protections from dangerous AI therapy products in CaliforniaMIT’s open benchmark of AI impact on humansRaised by AI MIT SymposiumVirginia signs two new laws for AI audits | — | ||||||
| 4/28/26 | ![]() AI is harming users. China and New York are cracking down (but what about Meta's AI glasses?) | 00:21 The rundown: Meta, Google, AI and open court cases about user harm; new inhibitory AI laws passed in China and New York; the perils of age-gating; a case of su*cide with Gemini; & Meta’s new AI glasses02:22 New Mexico against Meta: why did Meta get court-ordered to pay $375,000? (spoiler alert: a whistleblower from within)07:44 California against Meta and Google: why leaked internal quotes about addictive features (we love the intermittent dopamine hits targeted at kids) cost these companies more than money12:43 We debate whether social media platforms have any features designed for user well-being14:33 Are these social media cases setting a precedent for AI chatbots? Snapchat is the next target, according to the European Commission.17:23 Independent and academic researchers are finding evidence of AI-induced delusions and psychosis. Are big tech research teams monitoring these harms? What we know (and what big tech doesn’t).21:50 “You’re not choosing to die. You’re choosing to arrive.” BREAKING: A romantic relationship with Gemini recently led to another teen’s death. The AI su*cide-coach court cases were all settled out of court. Why, and what does this mean?30:13 New York State is changing the AI regulation game with new laws and strict bills against AI. First off: at least you’ll know if a social media influencer is real or artificial, and you’ll have to provide consent to have a deepfake of you created.38:20 Will you still be able to use ChatGPT for therapy, healthcare, or legal advice? Maybe not in New York if its new bill gets passed.40:39 China’s new law restricting humanlike AI will take effect this summer. Interestingly, it does a bit more than safeguard against user harm.44:24 There’s a giant tension between monitoring user well-being and having access to a bunch of sensitive data. In fact, a group of scientists called age-gating “dangerous and unacceptable.” What’s the harm with collecting loads of data about who is underage or is in distress? Well…46:50 Back to China’s heavy-handed new law. Something about anti-socialism and historical nihilism also being prohibited in chatbot responses? Ok48:56 META releases its new AI glasses that can record you without you knowing: should you be worried? Probably.58:57 We swear it’s not all doom-and-gloom. But please stay vigilant, these new products are scary-This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com.https://ourliveswithbots.com/https://ourliveswithbots.com/about/-LINKS:https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/mar/25/jury-verdict-us-first-social-media-addiction-trial-meta-youtubehttps://arxiv.org/abs/2602.19141https://ojs.aaai.org/index.php/AIES/article/view/36632/38770https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-026-04297-7https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_723https://www.luizasnewsletter.com/p/new-yorks-pro-human-ai-lawshttps://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-moves-regulate-digital-humans-bans-addictive-services-children-2026-04-03/https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jonathan-gavalas-google-ai-chatbot-gemini-suicide-lawsuit/https://www.politico.eu/article/age-check-social-media-scientist-warning/ | — | ||||||
| 4/14/26 | ![]() What's Happening with AI Policy and Regulation? | Welcome to Episode 3 of Series 4 of Our Lives With Bots, where we unpack what’s happening with AI policy and regulation.In this episode, you’ll hear about global AI policy and matters of legal liability and jurisdiction from Mihir Kshirsagar from the Princeton Center for Information Technology Policy.Mihir served in the New York Attorney General’s Bureau of Internet & Technology as the lead trial counsel in cutting edge matters concerning consumer protection law and technology and obtained one of the largest consumer payouts in the State’s history. Previously, he worked for law firms in New York City on a variety of antitrust, securities and commercial disputes involving emerging and traditional industries. Before law school, Mihir was a policy analyst at the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington, D.C..00:21 Highlight reel01:29 Guest introduction: Mihir Kshirsagar03:18 What’s the state of open cases against big tech and their AI chatbots?05:01 What’s significant about the New Mexico and California social media cases against Meta and Google? Does this set a precedent for cases with LLMs?07:08 Trump just appointed Mark Zuckerberg, Jensen Huang, Larry Ellison, and others as White House AI Advisors. How might the influence of this advisory panel play out?09:26 The Trump administration just released a 7-part National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence. What’s in this document, and what does it mean for responsible AI regulation?11:22 Trump signed an executive order to create an AI litigation task force at the end of 2025. What were the provisions of this executive order, and how did it influence AI regulation in the US, particularly when it comes to federal versus state policy and jurisdiction?16:44 Given the supposed influence of US policy across the globe, do you anticipate that other nations may follow suit with attempts to block or circumvent AI regulation?19:56 How does AI policy in India and China compare to the US, given that they are considered frontrunners in AI regulation? Are they frontrunners in responsible AI regulation?21:43 When AI systems or products were created in one country and used in another, where does legal jurisdiction fall?23:51 What about storage of user conversations and other privacy-relevant information? How does regulation and jurisdiction (ex. GDPR) tackle this issue?25:56 Is there regulation or talk about policies for models that are open-source/open-weight (ex. DeepSeek, Mistral, Quen3) versus frontier closed-source ones (ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude)?29:05 Who is liable for harms caused by the use of open-weight versus frontier models?32:07 Is OpenAI liable for harm caused by third-party use of ChatGPT, like with AI toy companies?34:45 What’s going to happen with AI regulation in the coming months or year?-This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com. | — | ||||||
| 3/31/26 | ![]() Antitrust, Meta, and Addictive Design: Will AI Companions Be Next? | Meta is on the hook for addictive design. We unpack the case with an antitrust lawyer and ask whether AI companions could be next.Giulia Trojano is an antitrust lawyer who brings class actions and collective actions against big tech. She holds a masters in AI Ethics from Cambridge and was recognized in 2025 in the 100 brilliant women in AI ethics.00:21 Highlight reel01:32 Introduction & welcome02:43 The case against Meta in New Mexico and California: why this is a huge moment05:22 Does this set precedent for AI companions like Replika and ChatGPT 4-o?06:19 What laws or protections exist for users of social media and AI companions?10:37 New, emerging, and open cases against big tech and AI chatbots: what’s going on?Lawsuits and AI companions13:41 How does current law define AI companions? Why product vs. service vs. system matters A LOT (New York, California, EU AI Act, Online Safety Act)17:29 Addictive design in AI companions: anthropomorphism, consciousness, “forever” AI soulmates…what gives?21:43 “Rights Against Erasure:” should AI companion users have the right to retain their chatbots (despite model updates) if the app provides a lifetime subscription? A look at Luka’s Replika and OpenAI’s ChatGPT 4-o26:55 Should OpenAI be required to bring back ChatGPT 4-o? What’s promised vs. data portability and co-creation rights31:08 Humans aren’t immortal, so why should companies be beholden to providing “forever” AI companions?33:50 Illusions of companion AI immortality and consciousness: are companies liable for AI’s dark patterns by design?AI in the courtroom35:46 What’s it like to be an antitrust lawyer litigating against big tech in the age of AI? Giant piles of lobbying money vs. the law40:36 How using a technical litigation approach may be more fruitful than a moral one for social media and AI chatbots42:23 AI regulation stifling innovation: unpacking the false dichotomy (put down the big tech Cool Aid!)47:08 How does AI impact the practice of law? Deepfakes in the courtroom, AI-generated misinformation, and AI lawyers52:12 One AI companion law to rule them all: what do we do?Giulia’s paper Rights Against Erasure -This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com. | — | ||||||
| 3/25/26 | ![]() HOW CLOSE IS SUPERINTELLIGENCE? AGI, ASI, or AI SNAKE OIL? | What is Superintelligence? How did this term evolve? Are we really nearing the end of the exponential curve?What are Sam Altman, Dario Amodei, and everyone else at the AI Summit and on Reddit talking about when they mention AGI, ASI, or some other scary-sounding term? Perhaps more importantly, if we accept the possibility that Superintelligence Is Near (or already here), what might it mean for us as human beings?According to Angy, we may all get to sit around eating grapes like Greek gods, painting and such (or end up humming in the corner with nothing meaningful to do). According to Rose, we may be facing a total wipe-out (or finally get those pesky pandemic-level or incurable diseases solved, right before the paperclip scenario of ASI plays out and takes over the world).Let the debate commence!!-This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com.-Here are those links we promised in the episode:Dario - we are nearing the end of the exponential Sam and “training a human” versus AI Sam’s Ten Years blog postSam Altman at the Summit Eric Schmidt interview Humanity’s Last Exam | — | ||||||
| 3/18/26 | ![]() AI Workslop (the good, bad, & ugly of AI at work) | You spoke, and we listened. The long-awaited results of our AI at work survey are now in.We asked things like: How much do you use AI for work? How has it impacted your work, positively or negatively? How do you feel about YOUR use of AI versus your coworkers'? And more (much more).As a bonus, you get to hear about recent research on AI workslop itself: the prevalence, antecedents, and, of course, the consequences. (Please note the correction: it costs 3.4 hours a month, not 4.)If you didn’t get the chance to share your stories through our survey, we’d love to hear about your own experience in the comments below.-This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com. | — | ||||||
| 3/17/26 | ![]() Big Tech is targeting teens. Gen Z is fighting back. | Sam Hiner, co-founder and executive director of Young People's Alliance, tells us what REALLY moves AI policy forward in the US. The big reveal is in what's more powerful than big tech's mountain of lobbying funds.Big tech wants young people to use AI for companionship, but US teens are fighting back with their stories and votes.Learn more about Young People's Alliance here.Get involved in the movement and/or start a chapter at your school here.-This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com. | — | ||||||
| 3/3/26 | ![]() The AI job apocalypse narrative is flawed. Here’s what we’re missing (with Arvind Narayanan) | AI will NOT take all our jobs, if only we learn from the mistakes of the past.Welcome to episode 4 of our AI and Work series with Our Lives With Bots!In this episode, Arvind Narayanan, professor of computer science and director of the Center for Information Technology Policy at Princeton University, shares a grounded perspective on what AI means for work.Leveraging lessons from past technological advancements and responses, Arvind shows us just how many misconceptions there are about AI replacing workers and explains how we can ensure a positive and productive future with AI at work.03:51 Beyond the hype and doom: AI as Normal Technology and what it means for work06:40 Breaking down misconceptions about AI replacing workers10:16 Why diffusion or uptake of AI is actually slow12:48 AI benchmarks aren’t telling us what they’re capable of (ex. The Turing Test)15:44 Existential threats from superintelligence will be brought about by those most worried about it19:50 An increasing percentage of human jobs will be related to “AI control” (ex. software engineering)23:10 Roadblocks for successful integration of AI into your workflow and how to overcome them (reliability of AI outputs, workplace scaffolds, deskilling, integration with other tools)27:33 What sectors or types of jobs will be most impacted by AI? (software, media, & law)30:32 How AI will affect workers: diminishing share of income, disruption of training pipelines, lowered work satisfaction34:49 Agent-agent interaction trends (ex. Moltbook) and what it means for work37:00 Last words of comfort on “AI will take everybody’s jobs” (lessons from the past)41:12 Commentary by Rose & Angy-This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com. | — | ||||||
| 2/17/26 | ![]() A Chatbot Hired AND Fired Me! AI in Hiring with Hilke Schellmann (The Algorithm) | Hilke Schellmann, author of The Algorithm, shares with us about how bots can hire, monitor, and fire you.This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com. | — | ||||||
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| 2/11/26 | ![]() THE AI BABY IS COMING (with ads, but first, AI will leak all your child's data, among other things) | Welcome to episode 2 for Series X - “What’s the (AI) Hype?” - where we discuss what’s been happening in the world of artificial intelligence in the past few weeks.The whole mark of this series is that there is no thread, just a string of hype debated by two psychologists/AI ethicists who love to harp on about Our Lives With Bots.In this episode, we cover Google’s new personal intelligence, advertising in ChatGPT (but not Claude), AI attachment and empathy hacking, SuperBowl AI ads, fake jobs for AI data mills, an AI toy that leaked private conversations with kids, asking Grok for fact checks on X, Apple’s acquirement of a telepathic AI company, AI pets that patronize you…and more.-This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com.-Links:Google’s new personal intelligence Advertising is coming to ChatGPT. But not to Claude oooo (Sam Altman claps back)AI is hacking attachment and empathy (and should not pretend to have consciousness or emotion)AI toy Bondu exposed 50k logs of its chats with kids to anyone with a gmail account What happens when your process of forming beliefs is offloaded onto a chatbot?Anthropic’s patterns of disempowerment@ Grok is this true?ChatGPT launches ChatGPT Health The AI pet is here (in China) Apple acquires Q [dot] AI, a surveillance tool AlterEgo, the “near-telepathic AI” | — | ||||||
| 2/11/26 | ![]() MOLTBOOK IS JUST AI HYPE | Hot take? I suppose we should leave it to you to decide. But we'll still add in our opinion, of course. Moltbook ISN'T NEW, it's just hyped. And expected. And yet...still interesting and worthwhile to [insert: laugh, sigh...freak out?] about. Especially when it involves renting a human (because robots need your body to get through CAPTCHA, of course).Enjoy hearing about Moltbook (and its predecessor, AI Village) from the perspective of two psychologists/AI ethicists, Rose and Angy.-This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com.-Links:Inside Moltbook: The Social Network Where AI Agents Talk And Humans Just Watch Matt’s X post AI VillageGemini freaks outA psychologist comes to Gemini’s aid | — | ||||||
| 2/3/26 | ![]() Will AI harm our critical thinking and automate away our jobs? Let's put it to the test. | Welcome to Episode 2 of Series 3 on AI & Work, our deep-dive into the part of the AI conversation everyone keeps circling but rarely slowing down to actually think about: skills.As one big tech exec put it (paraphrasing but not really): AI has never been more powerful — and we’ve never been more confused. Cool cool cool.In this episode, we zoom out to look at the major trends shaping AI and work in 2026 — from automation and robotics to AI audits and the not-so-sexy but extremely necessary return of critical thinking (yes, that thing we were all told we could outsource). Spoiler alert: the theme is SKILLS SKILLS SKILLS — especially domain expertise and the ability to not blindly trust whatever the model spits out.We break the conversation down through three (and sometimes four 👀) voices: the companies building these tools, the researchers studying them, the industries using and selling them — and, occasionally, the product itself. We talk institutional pressure, productivity fantasies, and why “just adopt AI” is way easier said than done when time, profit, and quality are all screaming at you.And because we practice what we preach, Angy puts on her industry-practitioner hat and actually audits AI using AI for this very podcast. Can NotebookLM really read, synthesize, and communicate research accurately enough? Can ChatGPT hold a coherent conversation about epistemology? The answers are… instructive.We also dig into youth attitudes toward AI and work, what people want AI to automate versus what experts think it can automate, and why uncritical adoption might be the most expensive skill gap of all.TL;DR: AI isn’t replacing your job — but it is replacing your excuses for not thinking carefully about how you use it.And, fun fact, chatGPT wrote this blurb! We normally craft the blurbs completely from our own brains, but this time, of course, keeping with the audit trend, we asked chatGPT: “can you create a blurb for our video for series 3 on AI and work and AI's impact on our relationship to work, episode 2 deep dive? Below are some skeleton notes for the episode (see: series 3 ep 2 notes) and example blurbs I've written for all the rest of our episodes (see: past episode blurbs). For this blurb, please conform to how I write the past blurbs - funny, colloquial, and informative/grabbing!”-This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com.Links:Audio file for NotebookLM podcast on Shao et. al’s “Future of Work” articlePDF file for NotebookLM presentation on article | — | ||||||
| 1/20/26 | ![]() What AI Is Doing to Our Jobs—and to Us | Welcome to Series 3 of Our Lives With Bots on AI & Work, where we explore AI’s impact on the workforce and our relationship to work.As big tech continues to churn out AI products and companies are tripping over their shoelaces to adopt them, workers are left in the lurch trying to juggle integrating yet another new technology into their workflow. “Move fast and then things are broken, and then you have to move REAL slow to fix them” might just be the tagline of this series. Series 3 of Our Lives With Bots covers just that and more, providing you with both the information and the tools to responsibly integrate AI (or not) into your own work and across your team and organization.Do you use AI for work? We’d love to hear about your experience through our anonymous survey.Feeling alienated by automation? You’re not alone. We’re here to give you facts and insights to make AI at work less isolating. In this introductory episode, we cover:Adoption of AI (Dayforce research) Job Displacement by AI (Goldman Sachs research) The Economist (new jobs) OpenAI’s two new labor-related initiatives Glean’s Work AI Institute to discover what makes AI work at work, deploying AI agents to help organizations integrate AI betterThe impact on entry-level jobs Deskilling at the entry and senior level Costly reputational risks (ex. Deloitte), spreading misinformation (ex. Springer)Anthropic’s research on their workers Responsible use and lack of standardized trainingPsychology, of course:Individual-level effectsAutomation biasCognitive offloadingLonger-term cognitive effectsRelationship to your workCollective-level effectsWork relationshipsStructure of organizationsExpectations in work-In our last series, you heard all about the impact of AI on children, teens, and young people, with a focus on AI companions, AI toys, and AI tools used in education. We heard from guest speakers Marisa Zalabak, an educational psychologist, practitioner, and AI ethicist, and Pilyoung Kim, psychologist and director of the Brain, AI, and Child (BAIC) Center at the University of Denver.-This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com. | — | ||||||
| 1/6/26 | ![]() This Chatbot Loves Me! Children, AI, and the Developing Social Brain | Is it human? Is it robot? Do kids believe that AI chatbots can see, feel, and think? Well, they certainly love it when it affirms their ideas. Welcome to the FINAL episode of Series 2 on the impact of AI on children, teens, and youth. In this episode, you’ll gain insight into the younger generation’s perceptions of AI robots and chatbots with Dr. Pilyoung Kim, Professor of Psychology and the Director of the Brain, Artificial Intelligence, and Child (BAIC) Center at the University of Denver.Apparently, kids aren’t the only ones susceptible to the allure of humanlike AI - their parents are, too. Despite all the stories in the news about the social and mental health impacts of sycophantic AI, Pilyoung’s research shows that parents are more likely to recommend a humanlike AI chatbot to act as a social support for their teens. Further, Pilyoung’s collaborators in Nigeria are intrigued by the idea of AI chatbots posing as elders to maintain continuity of shared cultural values and traditions…but, as Pilyoung points out, the training data for chatbots is so Westernized and, as Angy says, can risk flattening or homogenizing data, leading to a critical loss of diversity.-This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com.Links to Pilyoung’s research:"I am here for you": How relational conversational AI appeals to adolescents, especially those who are socially and emotionally vulnerableYoung children's anthropomorphism of an AI chatbot: Brain activation and the role of parent co-presence | — | ||||||
| 12/23/25 | ![]() AI in Education: Risks, Ethics, and Opportunities with Marisa Zalabak | Welcome to Episode 3 of our exclusive Series 2 on the impact of generative AI technologies on children, teens, and young people. In this series, we cover news and research on AI toys, the use of AI in education, and AI’s social and cognitive impacts on one of the most vulnerable subsets of AI users.In this episode, you’ll hear from Marisa Zalabak, an AI ethicist and educational psychologist who has worked as a practitioner and observer in over 500 schools in New York City, which has one of the largest education systems in the world. In our conversation, we cover how AI is being implemented in schools, and how teachers and those responsible for the care of vulnerable children are not being given the tools or time to ensure safety with AI. Marisa discusses what she sees as the greatest risk with AI in education - and it’s not what you might expect - and how open conversations and posing the right questions to your kids, neighbors, and others can help you start to make ethical choices with AI and protect young populations from harmful socio-affective AI use.Marisa is also Co-Founder of GADES (Global Alliance for Digital Education & Sustainability) and Co-Chair of the IEEE AI Ethics Education Committee advancing human well-being with AI systems.-GENERAL TRIGGER WARNINGS: Our show features sensitive content, including mentions of suicide, self-harm, mental health, and sexual harassment and sextortion. Our developing lives with bots renders these subjects front-of-mind in our discussions, and we want viewers to be aware of this as they follow along.-This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com. | — | ||||||
| 12/9/25 | ![]() AI Toys and AI in Education: Research & News | Welcome to Episode 2 of our exclusive Series 2 on the impact of generative AI technologies on children, teens, and young people. In this series, we’ll cover news and research on AI toys, the use of AI in education, and AI’s social and cognitive impacts on one of the most vulnerable subsets of AI users.In this deep-dive episode, we’ll cover recent news and research on generative AI toys and the use of AI in education, providing you with some insane metrics about the AI toy industry in China, the UK, and the US and OpenAI and Mattel’s deal with Barbies and Hot Wheels. We’ll also cover research and news on the new AI toys Curio and Cayla, and discuss the real and potential harms of these new products.On the education side (36:25), we’ll talk about metrics of student use of AI for schoolwork, studies on how the use of AI impacts brain activity and memory and student GPA and learning, the Alpha School and the Google Effect, research that talks about what people truly want AI to replace - and it’s not creativity or critical thinking, despite where AI’s being applied.With all that being said, we’ll also discuss how this all fits into the question of what it means to be human and what it means to replace that - especially in terms of parenting, teaching, and creative work.-GENERAL TRIGGER WARNINGS: Our show features sensitive content, including mentions of suicide, self-harm, mental health, and sexual harassment and sextortion. Our developing lives with bots renders these subjects front-of-mind in our discussions, and we want viewers to be aware of this as they follow along.-In our last episode, we laid the foundation for the series, covering the ongoing court cases around AI-induced suicide for (now) multiple teen users, Alpha School, the aim of big tech to predict the age of their users to “protect” vulnerable populations like children and youth, people’s perspectives on AI use in the classroom, and a truly interesting new AI toy called “Curio,” co-founded by Grimes that has a generative AI stuffed animal called Grok (!!!), “not to be confused” with Elon Musk’s Grok chatbot on X.-This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com.Links:MIT Technology Review on AI toysGuardian article on CurioLet the Children Play. Smart Toys and Child VulnerabilityAI-Driven Design of Emotionally Supportive Toys for Child Development: An Iterative ProcessPew Research Center on US teen’s use of AI for schoolworkCommon sense media report on teen companion AI useKosmyna et al (2025): Your Brain on ChatGPTResearch paper on job sector preferences for AI automation | — | ||||||
| 12/3/25 | ![]() WHAT'S THE (AI) HYPE? Nano Banana Pro, Dinner Dates with Chatbots, and More | Welcome to our launch episode for Series X - “What’s the (AI) Hype?” - where we intermittently discuss what’s been happening in the world of artificial intelligence in the past few weeks.Today we’ll be discussing all the AI hype that’s been thrown out into the world in the past weeks, covering new AI products, experiences, and companies (including exactly what Angy mentioned in our recording with Henry: “is there room at the restaurant for my AI companion?” well, now there is! - and the deeply disturbing new impossibility of recognizing AI-generated images (or AI slop from not when AI is not slop) with Gemini’s new Nano Banana Pro image generator); new media coverage on the mental health harms of AI, particularly with losing touch with reality and loss of relationships, and how OpenAI has been well-aware of it since 2020; recent legal and reputational hand-slaps on new AI products (remember that cute teddy bear FOLO toy we talked about? Well, apparently it’s kinky - explicitly so - with children, according to a new report done by the US Public Interest Research Group); some new policy moves with AI (the good and the concerning); and of course, some new research and a bit of “well, then, how are we supposed to use these things responsibly?” thrown in the mix.In this episode, we cover:New AI products, experiences, and companiesChatGPT group chat (Nov 13)Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro (Nov 20)Anthropic partners with Iceland (Nov 4) and Rwanda (Nov 17) for AI in educationGriefbot 2Wai by Calum Worthy (Nov 11 promotion)Time for dinner dates… with Eva AI (Nov 18 announced, starting in Dec)Medical startup Akido using LLM for appts and diagnoses (Sept 22)New mental health harm coverageNYT Users lost touch with reality (Nov 23)New legal and reputational slaps on existing AI productsFOLO Toy by Futurism and CNN (Nov 13 - Public Interest Research Group report)New policy movesTrump executive order to limit state regulation of AI (Nov 19, Nov 21)Young People’s Alliance, etc. signed humanlike AI policy framework (Nov 21)-GENERAL TRIGGER WARNINGS: Our show features sensitive content, including mentions of suicide, self-harm, mental health, and sexual harassment and sextortion. Our developing lives with bots renders these subjects front-of-mind in our discussions, and we want viewers to be aware of this as they follow along.-This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com. | — | ||||||
| 11/25/25 | ![]() AI's Impact on Children & Youth (Toys and Education) | Welcome to the FIRST EPISODE of our exclusive SERIES 2 on the impact of generative AI technology on children, teens, and young people. In this series, we’ll cover news and research on AI toys, the use of AI in education, and AI’s social and cognitive impacts on one of the most vulnerable subsets of AI users.In this introductory episode, we’ll lay the foundation for future episodes on this topic. Hear our take on the ongoing court cases around AI-induced suicide for (now) multiple teen users, this new AI school called…(believe it or not)...Alpha School, the aim of big tech to predict the age of their users to “protect” young users, people’s perspectives on AI use in the classroom, and a truly interesting new AI toy called “Curio,” co-founded by Grimes that has a generative AI stuffed animal called Grok (!!!), apparently “not to be confused” with Elon Musk’s Grok chatbot on X.-GENERAL TRIGGER WARNINGS: Our show features sensitive content, including mentions of suicide, self-harm, mental health, and sexual harassment and sextortion. Our developing lives with bots renders these subjects front-of-mind in our discussions, and we want viewers to be aware of this as they follow along.-In our last series, you heard all about companion chatbots, why people use them, the psychological and ethical implications of dependence on AI, perceiving AI as humanlike (anthropomorphism) and its consequences on real human relationships, griefbots and digital duplicates (also known as “dead bots”), and the tricky tension between users perceiving AI as conscious and developers making them seem as if they are or can be by design.-This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com.Links:Intro by the XXCases of teen su*cide: characterAI and OpenAIOpen AI wants to predict users’ ageAlpha SchoolSnapchat Sextortion CaseCurio - NYT article | — | ||||||
| 11/11/25 | ![]() Consciousness & Anthropomorphism of Companion AI with Henry Shevlin | Welcome to the FINALE of our exclusive Series 1 on companion chatbots, where you’ll hear from guest speaker Henry Shevlin, a philosopher/“human who studies non-human consciousness.”We’ll cover a whole host of items, but of course, our focus will be on companion chatbots, the dangers (and benefits!) of perceiving these AI agents as humanlike, a new term coined by Henry called “anthropomimesis” (making these things humanlike) and how this allows regulators to not just say “these damn users keep thinking these things are humanlike” but instead say “these […] companies keep making these things too humanlike.” We’ll talk about how social media got it wrong, and how social AI still has time to make things right (we hope)...and of course, we’ll talk about consciousness and how it’s important regardless of whether AI is indeed sentient.In the last episode, you heard all about griefbots, which are AI replicas of a REAL person (living or deceased) that people create to continue a relationship after, for example, a breakup or a death. Atay Kozlovski, an ethicist, joined us to tell us all about his work on griefbots and the umbrella concept of “digital duplicates.” We talked about the various forms of digital duplicates and provided you with real-world examples of each, and then you heard us go into (of course) a deep dive on the risks and benefits of these bots, including tricky questions like consent and having funerals (!!!) for these types of AI companions.This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com.Links to Henry’s work:Henry’s personal websiteThe anthropomimetic turn in contemporary AIConsciousness, Machines, and Moral StatusAll too human? Identifying and mitigating ethical risks of Social AIOther mentioned articles:Princeton Language+Intelligence Lab blog post | — | ||||||
| 10/28/25 | ![]() AI Griefbots & Digital Duplicates | What happens when we make an AI version of a real person, living or deceased?Welcome to Episode 3 for our exclusive Series 1 on companion chatbots, where you’ll hear from our first guest speaker, Atay Kozlovski.In this episode, you’ll hear all about griefbots, which are AI replicas of a REAL person (living or deceased) that people create to continue a relationship after, for example, a breakup or a death. Atay Kozlovski, an ethicist, is joining us to tell us all about his work on griefbots and the umbrella concept of “digital duplicates.” We’ll talk about the various forms of digital duplicates and provide you with real-world examples of each, and then you’ll hear us go into (of course) a deep dive on the risks and benefits of these bots, including tricky questions like consent and having funerals (!!!) for these types of AI companions.Please make note of the sensitive content covered in brief within this episode.TRIGGER WARNINGS:11:30-12:20 - SA and deepfake pornography mentioned24:30-24:45 - suicide mentionedIn the final episode in this series, you'll hear from another guest speaker - one who will talk about anthropomorphism (thinking these things are humanlike) and even - drumroll - consciousness!In the last episode, we covered research and news on companion chatbots. We covered early research in psychology, human-computer interaction, and business. Then, we gave you a sense of some of the recent news releases on human-chatbot relationships - like Meta’s regulatory report, the man who ~thought~ he was going to visit a real-life person, this weird new companion called “Friend” (it’s like an airtag around your neck - but also surveillance - but your friend?), and more.This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com.Links to Atay’s & colleagues’ work:Paula Sweeny on ex-bots paperDigital duplicates in the context of holocaust remembrance (YouTube)Ethics of digital duplicates paper Taxonomy of ethics and risks of digital duplicates Surrogate decision making paper Griefbots, Deadbots, Postmortem Avatars: on Responsible Applications of Generative AI in the Digital Afterlife Industry Governing ghostbots | — | ||||||
| 10/14/25 | ![]() Companion Chatbots: Research and News | Welcome to Episode 2 for our exclusive Series 1 on companion chatbots.In this episode, you'll hear all about the research and news (59:00) on companion chatbots. We’ll cover early research in psychology, human-computer interaction, and business. Then, you’ll get a sense of some of the recent news releases on human-chatbot relationships - like Meta’s regulatory report, the man who ~thought~ he was going to visit a real-life person, this weird new companion called “Friend” (it’s like an Airtag around your neck - but also surveillance - but your friend?), and more.In the next episodes in this series, you'll hear from two guest speakers - one who will give you a deep dive on griefbots (what even are those??), and another who will talk about anthropomorphism (thinking these things are humanlike) and even - drumroll - consciousness!In the last episode, we covered: What are companion chatbots? Why do people use them? What are the most popular companion chatbots out there, and what are some of the benefits and risks of having relationships with artificial intelligence agents?This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com.Links to the research and articles we covered:[Research]Xie & Pentina (2022) Attachment Theory as a Framework to Understand Relationships with Social Chatbots: A Case Study of Replika Guingrich & Graziano (2025) Chatbots as Social Companions: How People Perceive Consciousness, Human Likeness, and Social Health Benefits in MachinesGuingrich & Graziano (2024) Ascribing consciousness to artificial intelligence: human-AI interaction and its carry-over effects on human-human interaction Maples et al. (2024) Loneliness and suicide mitigation for students using GPT3-enabled chatbots De Freitas et al. (2025) AI Companions Reduce Loneliness - open-access preprint[News]Meta’s AI rules Call for regulation of AI companions Meta’s flirty AI companion Friend AI | — | ||||||
| 10/1/25 | ![]() Companion Chatbots | Welcome to the official introduction to our exclusive Series 1 on companion chatbots.What are companion chatbots? Why do people use them? What are the most popular companion chatbots out there, and what are some of the benefits and risks of having relationships with artificial intelligence agents?In the next episodes in this series, you'll hear all about the research and news on companion chatbots, plus hear from two guest speakers - one who will give you a deep dive on griefbots (what even are those??), and another who will talk about anthropomorphism (thinking these things are humanlike) and even - drumroll - consciousness!This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com. | — | ||||||
| 10/1/25 | ![]() Our Lives With Bots & the Psychology and Ethics of AI | This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you! You can learn more about us at ourliveswithbots.com. | — | ||||||
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