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How STRC and Digital Credit Could Break the Four-Year Bitcoin Cycle with Jeff Walton
Apr 28, 2026
57m 20s
Bitcoin, AI, and the Credit Air Pocket with Michael Tanguma
Apr 21, 2026
1h 14m 11s
Bitcoin to $200K and Gold to $6,000 with Lawrence Lepard
Apr 17, 2026
1h 09m 26s
Will Bitcoin Survive War, Oil Shocks, and Fed Panic with James Lavish
Apr 10, 2026
1h 01m 42s
How Strategy and STRC Could Build a $100T Bitcoin Financial System with Dan Hillery
Apr 1, 2026
50m 38s
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| Date | Episode | Topics | Guests | Brands | Places | Keywords | Sponsor | Length | |
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| 4/28/26 |  How STRC and Digital Credit Could Break the Four-Year Bitcoin Cycle with Jeff Walton✨ | Bitcoin market structuredigital credit+3 | Jeff Walton | StriveStrategy+3 | — | Bitcoindigital credit+5 | — | 57m 20s | |
| 4/21/26 |  Bitcoin, AI, and the Credit Air Pocket with Michael Tanguma✨ | BitcoinAI+3 | Michael Tanguma | Onramp | — | BitcoinAI+5 | — | 1h 14m 11s | |
| 4/17/26 |  Bitcoin to $200K and Gold to $6,000 with Lawrence Lepard✨ | Bitcoin price predictiongold price prediction+4 | Lawrence Lepard | Bitcoingold+4 | — | Bitcoingold+5 | — | 1h 09m 26s | |
| 4/10/26 |  Will Bitcoin Survive War, Oil Shocks, and Fed Panic with James Lavish✨ | Bitcoinmacro economics+4 | James Lavish | Morgan StanleyBitcoin Opportunity Fund+1 | — | Bitcoinwar risk+6 | — | 1h 01m 42s | |
| 4/1/26 |  How Strategy and STRC Could Build a $100T Bitcoin Financial System with Dan Hillery✨ | Bitcoin financial systemSTRC product+4 | Dan Hillery | STRCBuck+4 | — | Bitcoinfinancial stack+7 | — | 50m 38s | |
| 3/26/26 |  Michael Howell: Oil Shock, Bitcoin Outperformance, and Why the Global Liquidity Cycle Is Turning✨ | global liquidityoil prices+5 | Michael Howell | Cross Border CapitalCapital Wars Substack+2 | — | global liquidity cycleoil shock+7 | — | 57m 06s | |
| 3/20/26 |  Morgan Stanley’s Bitcoin ETF Changes Everything with James Seyffart✨ | Bitcoin ETFinstitutional adoption+4 | James Seyffart | Morgan StanleyBloomberg Intelligence+1 | — | BitcoinETF+6 | — | 42m 13s | |
| 3/13/26 |  Why STRC Is Buying 3.2x Bitcoin’s Weekly Supply with Sam Callahan✨ | Bitcoin productsfixed income+4 | Sam Callahan | STRCStrategy+2 | Brazil | BitcoinSTRC+7 | — | 53m 32s | |
| 2/5/26 |  Bitcoin Crashes to $67,000: Navigating The Bear Market with Caleb Franzen✨ | Bitcoinbear market+3 | Caleb Franzen | Cubic AnalyticsHorizon | — | Bitcoinbear market+4 | — | 1h 03m 11s | |
| 1/28/26 |  Why Bitcoin Is Headed to $10,000,000 with Rajat Soni✨ | Bitcoinpersonal finance+4 | Rajat Soni | Horizon | — | Bitcoincash flow+5 | — | 1h 02m 40s | |
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| 1/22/26 |  $340,000 Bitcoin Before the Next Halving with British HODL✨ | Bitcoinglobal liquidity+4 | British HODL | BitcoinBlackRock+1 | — | BitcoinBlackRock ETF+5 | — | 54m 19s | |
| 1/8/26 |  Bitcoin for Growth, Real Estate for Cash Flow with Grant Cardone | In this episode, I’m joined by Grant Cardone to break down one of the most important investing conversations happening right now: bitcoin and real estate. We start with what’s happening on the ground. Grant’s Malibu home was damaged in the Palisades fire, and more than a year later, California still won’t allow basic repairs. From there, we unpack how regulation, taxation, and political incentives are reshaping where capital flows. Then we get into the core framework Grant uses today: • Why real estate works for cash flow, but struggles as a long-term growth asset • Why bitcoin has emerged as a superior growth and opportunity-cost hedge • How Cardone Capital is combining real estate income with bitcoin on the balance sheet • Why Grant believes the REIT industry is overdue for disruption • What wealth building actually looks like in a system that keeps changing the rules We also close on mindset. Why resentment toward money repels it, why respect for capital matters, and how long-term wealth is built across cycles. This is a deep, honest conversation about capital, incentives, and positioning yourself for what comes next. Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Grant on X → https://x.com/GrantCardone Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites. Subscribe to Over The Horizon: A Bitcoin Podcast on Soundwise | 1h 01m 28s | ||||||
| 12/31/25 |  Bitcoin’s Lost Year, the Rise of Silver, and the AI Shock with Tad Smith | In this New Year’s Eve episode of Over The Horizon, I’m joined by Tad Smith, Partner at 50T Funds and former CEO of Sotheby’s and the Madison Square Garden Company. We reflect on one of the strangest market years in recent memory and look ahead to what 2026 may bring. We cover: • Why silver and gold dominated 2025 while bitcoin lagged • The rise of speculative behavior and the “prison of financial mediocrity” • AI’s impact on white-collar jobs and the future of work • Whether AI creates abundance or accelerates inequality • Bitcoin’s role as hard money in a world of expanding social safety nets • The future of art in the age of AI • Why bitcoin treasury companies struggled in 2025 • Bitcoin vs gold vs real estate as long-term stores of value • Tad’s outlook for liquidity, markets, and geopolitics in 2026 Follow Tad on X → https://x.com/TadTweets Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation 00:00 Reflections on 2025: A Year of Surprises 01:34 The Impact of Financial Hardship on Behavior 04:28 The Rise of Monetary Metals 07:24 The Prison of Financial Mediocrity 10:00 The Role of AI in the Economy 12:57 The Future of Work and Job Displacement 15:55 Bitcoin and Hard Money in an Abundant Future 18:54 AI and the Future of Art 29:01 The Nature of Art and Creativity 31:54 The Value of Human Art in a Digital Age 35:43 Bitcoin Treasury Companies: Performance and Challenges 38:29 The Impact of Volatility on Bitcoin 47:44 Bitcoin vs. Gold and Real Estate: The Future of Value 51:00 Looking Ahead: Predictions for 2026 Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites. Subscribe to Over The Horizon: A Bitcoin Podcast on Soundwise | 55m 18s | ||||||
| 12/16/25 |  Why Bitcoin Could Hit $250k+ in the Next Cycle with Lawrence Lepard | In this episode of Over The Horizon, I’m joined by Lawrence Lepard, Managing Partner at Equity Management Associates, co-founder of the Bitcoin Opportunity Fund, and author of The Big Print. We focus on why the next bitcoin cycle could be far larger than many expect, with Lawrence laying out a framework that points to $250k+ bitcoin as monetary policy, debt growth, and inflation pressures collide. We also discuss why gold tends to lead during periods of debasement, and why bitcoin historically follows with greater magnitude. We cover: • Why the Fed’s latest balance sheet expansion is effectively money printing • The debt doom loop and fiscal dominance • Why gold leads and bitcoin follows harder • Lawrence’s framework for a $250k+ bitcoin cycle • Whether the four-year bitcoin cycle still applies • What rising adoption means for bitcoin’s long-term trajectory If you’re trying to understand where bitcoin could go next and what’s driving this cycle beneath the surface, this conversation connects the dots. Follow Lawrence Lepard on X → https://x.com/LawrenceLepard Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites. Subscribe to Over The Horizon: A Bitcoin Podcast on Soundwise | 1h 02m 22s | ||||||
| 12/11/25 |  Bitcoin's Bear Market, 4-Year Cycles, and the Path to $1M with Mark Yusko | In this episode, Mark Yusko joins me for a wide-ranging conversation on innovation, Bitcoin, AI, the Federal Reserve, and the forces shaping the next decade of markets. We cover: • How innovation functions as an asset class • Why inflation is theft and how the Fed creates a K-shaped economy • Market manipulation, price controls, and why interest rates should be set by markets • The role of data, chips, and AI in the next global power shift • Bitcoin’s four-year cycle, Metcalfe’s Law valuation, and expectations heading into 2026 • Why decentralized systems matter more than ever Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites. Subscribe to Over The Horizon: A Bitcoin Podcast on Soundwise | 1h 11m 29s | ||||||
| 11/26/25 |  Bitcoin Treasury Warfare: Jesse Myers on Hedge Fund Pressure, Sentiment, and Bitcoin's Outlook | In this episode of Over The Horizon, I sit down with Jesse Myers, Head of Bitcoin Strategy at The Smarter Web Company, for one of the most comprehensive breakdowns yet of what’s really happening inside Bitcoin treasury companies. We dig into: • Why SmarterWeb now holds 2,664 BTC, making it the UK’s largest Bitcoin treasury • How the tide went out on Bitcoin treasuries over the last four months • The hedge-fund short trade (the “Chanos trade”) and how it distorted valuations • How PIPE deals created toxic incentives — and why retail holders paid the price • The difference between SmarterWeb’s model and the wave of copycat structures • What sub-1× MNAV really means and why buybacks become extremely powerful there • Why Bitcoin measured in gold terms shows we haven’t had a real bull market yet • OG whales vs. the new institutional bid (ETFs, sovereign entities, fixed-income allocators) • Why Bitcoin treasury companies will become pipelines for TradFi capital • The coming rise of Bitcoin-powered fixed-income and “digital credit” markets Jesse lays out how Bitcoin treasury companies actually work, how they access capital market tools unavailable to individuals, and why this is only the first year of a decades-long shift in how global capital allocators buy bitcoin. If you want to understand the mechanics, risks, and future trajectory of Bitcoin treasury companies, this is the episode. Follow Jesse on X → https://x.com/Croesus_BTC Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti 00:00 Introduction to Bitcoin Strategy and Smarter Web 01:37 Current State of Bitcoin Treasury Companies 04:22 Market Sentiment and Bitcoin Valuation 07:21 Impact of Hedge Funds on Bitcoin Treasury Companies 09:50 The Role of PIPE Deals in Market Dynamics 11:59 SmarterWeb's Unique Approach to Bitcoin Treasury 14:27 Share Buybacks and Their Implications 17:05 Future Outlook for Bitcoin and Treasury Companies 19:26 Bitcoin's Current Market Dynamics 25:47 Institutional Influence on Bitcoin 32:18 Understanding Bitcoin Treasury Companies 39:13 Future Trends in Bitcoin and Finance Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites. Subscribe to Over The Horizon: A Bitcoin Podcast on Soundwise | 45m 46s | ||||||
| 11/18/25 |  Bitcoin at $90,000: Treasury Adoption, Digital Credit, and Strive’s Playbook with Ben Werkman | Bitcoin is down almost 30% from its October high — but under the surface, liquidity, treasury demand, and digital credit markets are accelerating. I sat down with Ben Werkman, CIO at Strive, to break down Bitcoin’s market structure, the rise of perpetual preferred equity, Strive’s financial product roadmap, and why companies are rushing to adopt bitcoin as an infinite-duration treasury asset. We cover: • Bitcoin’s price action and liquidity backdrop • Why bitcoin is the only asset that combats monetary debasement • Strive’s treasury strategy and preferred equity model • The rise of yield-based digital credit • How bitcoin-backed securities will evolve • What investors misunderstand about digital credit GUEST LINKS: Follow Ben on X → https://x.com/BenWerkman Strive Website → https://strive.com/ Follow Strive on X → https://x.com/strive Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti HORIZON LINKS: Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites. Subscribe to Over The Horizon: A Bitcoin Podcast on Soundwise | 56m 31s | ||||||
| 11/12/25 |  Bitcoin Will Reshape the $37 Trillion Commercial Real Estate Market with Chris Drzyzga | Chris Drzyzga joins me to unpack how Bitcoin is fundamentally changing commercial real estate — a $37 trillion market facing structural decline. We discuss how Bitcoin is emerging as a competitor for real estate capital, the idea of dual-collateralized financing, and why traditional investment strategies are breaking down. Chris outlines his “four-pillar” framework for the new era of property ownership — from Bitcoin treasury management and energy optimization to PropTech and modular improvements. If you’re in real estate or just curious how Bitcoin intersects with hard assets, this episode is essential viewing. Follow Chris on X → https://x.com/ChrisDrz Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator 00:00 Introduction to Chris Drzyzga and His Journey 02:49 The Financialization of Bitcoin and Real Estate 05:50 The Alarm Bells of Real Estate 08:46 The Changing Landscape of Commercial Real Estate 11:47 The Impact of Technology on Office Space 14:53 Short-Term Hold Periods and Market Fragility 18:12 The Shift in Commercial Real Estate Investment Strategies 21:11 The Competition Between Bitcoin and Real Estate 23:45 Dual Collateralization in Real Estate Financing 33:22 Understanding Bitcoin's Role in Real Estate Investment 40:43 The Four Pillars of Modern Real Estate Strategy 48:20 Navigating Regulatory Challenges in Real Estate 55:52 Envisioning the Future of Commercial Real Estate 01:01:15 Taking Action: Integrating Bitcoin into Real Estate Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites. #Bitcoin, #RealEstate, #CommercialRealEstate, #InvestmentStrategy, #DualCollateralization, #BitcoinFinance, #PropertyMarket, #Financialization, #EnergyOptimization, #PropTech, #MarketTrends, #CapitalStrategy, #BitcoinAdoption, #RealEstateInnovation, #Regulation, #Redevelopment Subscribe to Over The Horizon: A Bitcoin Podcast on Soundwise | 58m 02s | ||||||
| 11/4/25 |  Bitcoin, Gold, and the Spiritual Crisis of Fiat with Bram Kanstein | In this episode, Bram Kanstein, host of Bitcoin for Millennials, explores how fiat currency erodes values, incentives, and meaning—and how Bitcoin restores them. They discuss the educational gap around Bitcoin, the illusion of gold’s scarcity, and why sound money is essential for rebuilding a society that values creation over consumption. From financial nihilism to the philosophical and spiritual roots of value, this conversation dives deep into what makes Bitcoin the ideal money for future generations. Links: Follow Bram on X → https://x.com/bramk Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Bitcoin Perspectives 02:38 Misconceptions About Bitcoin’s Origins 05:20 Understanding Bitcoin and Financial Education 08:21 The Role of Education in Bitcoin Adoption 10:45 Bitcoin vs. Gold: A Comparative Analysis 13:49 The Concept of Scarcity in Bitcoin 16:33 Bitcoin as the Ideal Money 19:07 The Future of Bitcoin and Financial Nihilism 29:46 The Value Proposition and Market Incentives 34:10 Bitcoin as a Catalyst for Real Value 37:19 The Spiritual and Philosophical Implications of Money 41:19 The Erosion of Value Creation in Modern Society 47:53 Reconstructing the Concept of Value 52:28 Bitcoin: A Tool for Future Generations Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites. Subscribe to Over The Horizon: A Bitcoin Podcast on Soundwise | 57m 54s | ||||||
| 10/28/25 |  Bitcoin’s 2025 Chopsolidation: The Calm Before the Next Big Move with James Check | In this episode, I’m joined by James Check — co-founder and on-chain analyst at Check On Chain — to break down Bitcoin’s current “Chop Solidation” phase and what it means for the next big move. We cover: • Why Bitcoin’s four-year cycle may be losing its predictive power • How ETFs and treasury companies are reshaping market structure • The bull vs. bear case for Bitcoin going into 2025 • Why sell-side pressure isn’t crashing the market • How to build a probabilistic game plan for any market condition James shares deep insights into on-chain data, investor sentiment, and trading strategy — offering one of the clearest frameworks for understanding Bitcoin’s evolving market structure. Follow James on X → https://x.com/_Checkmatey_ Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation 00:00 Introduction and Current State of Bitcoin 01:58 Chop Solidation: Understanding Market Trends 05:40 The Four-Year Cycle: A Dying Narrative? 09:29 Market Dynamics: Demand vs. Supply 13:24 Sell-Side Pressure: Analyzing Market Sentiment 19:17 Bull and Bear Cases: Navigating Uncertainty 24:46 Understanding Bitcoin's Price Levels 27:04 Gold's Influence on Bitcoin 29:15 Market Sentiment and Historical Trends 31:27 Leverage Wipeouts and Market Structure 35:06 The Future of Bitcoin Treasury Companies 42:20 Navigating Uncertainty in Bitcoin Trading Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites. Subscribe to Over The Horizon: A Bitcoin Podcast on Soundwise | 46m 31s | ||||||
| 10/23/25 |  Bitcoin, AI, Market Dynamics, and Q4 Uncertainty with Alex Thorn | In this episode, I sit down with Alex Thorn, Head of Firmwide Research at Galaxy, to unpack the intersection of Bitcoin, AI, and global market dynamics. We discuss how AI CapEx is driving GDP growth, why Bitcoin’s volatility is increasingly tied to macroeconomic factors, and how institutional adoption is reshaping the landscape of digital asset treasuries. Alex breaks down the parallels between today’s AI boom and the dot-com era, the role of Bitcoin treasuries in uncertain markets, and what the next wave of Bitcoin-native companies might look like. If you want to understand how Bitcoin fits into a rapidly changing world of AI-driven growth and financial evolution, this one’s for you. Follow Alex on X → https://x.com/intangiblecoins Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti 00:00 Market Dynamics and Current Trends 13:27 The AI CapEx Boom and Its Implications 20:23 The Future of AI and Its Economic Impact 23:14 Digital Asset Treasuries: Current Trends and Future Outlook 37:07 The Evolution of Bitcoin Companies and Market Dynamics Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites. Subscribe to Over The Horizon: A Bitcoin Podcast on Soundwise | 41m 55s | ||||||
| 10/9/25 |  Retail’s Rising Dynasty: Eric Jackson on Opendoor, 100x Bets, and Beating Wall Street | In this episode, I’m joined by Eric Jackson, Founder of EMJ Capital and leader of the Opendoor retail investor movement. We discuss Opendoor’s near-delisting and improbable comeback, why C-suite compensation must be aligned with shareholder interests, and how retail investors can punch above their weight in today’s markets. Eric also breaks down what it takes to find a 100x opportunity, why he believes in the rise of a “retail dynasty,” and how the real estate industry is ripe for disruption. This episode is about more than Opendoor—it’s about power shifting from Wall Street to Main Street. Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Eric on X → https://x.com/EricJackson Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites. Subscribe to Over The Horizon: A Bitcoin Podcast on Soundwise | 56m 59s | ||||||
| 9/30/25 |  Beating Bitcoin: Inside Strive’s Treasury Strategy with Matt Cole | In this episode, I sit down with Matt Cole, Chairman and CEO of Strive, to unpack the evolution of Bitcoin treasury companies and the macroeconomic backdrop shaping their strategies. Matt shares his journey from managing $70B at CalPERS to going all-in on bitcoin—and building Strive to be a top-performing public equity vehicle for bitcoin exposure. We dive into: • Why Matt believes Bitcoin is the only off-ramp from monetary debasement • Strive's M&A strategy and the acquisition of Semler Scientific • Preferred equity vs. convertible debt—and why duration matching is everything • The real value of an operating business in a Bitcoin treasury strategy • How to think about amplified bitcoin exposure—and survive the short-term volatility • What happens when the Fed’s monetary tools stop working This is one of the most in-depth episodes we've done on how capital markets, balance sheet construction, and macro trends collide with Bitcoin adoption at scale. Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites. Subscribe to Over The Horizon: A Bitcoin Podcast on Soundwise | 56m 10s | ||||||
| 8/27/25 |  Bitcoin to $21M by 2046: MSTR’s Playbook for Financial Disruption with CJ | In this episode, I’m joined by Chaitanya Jain, Bitcoin Treasury Manager at Strategy, to explore how Bitcoin-native financial instruments are flipping corporate finance on its head, and why Bitcoin could hit $21 million in the coming decades. We cover CJ’s transition from Harvard to Strategy and the rise of proof-of-work over credentials in Bitcoin. We dig into the new KPIs Strategy pioneered like Bitcoin Yield and Bitcoin Dollar Gain, the implications of major accounting rule changes, the intelligent leverage behind Strategy’s preferred equity offerings, and how Bitcoin-backed credit products are opening up new capital markets. CJ shares his long-term view for Bitcoin’s path to becoming the world’s dominant monetary asset—and what the rise of Bitcoin treasury companies means for the future of finance. Follow CJ on X → https://x.com/_ChaitanyaJ Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction to Bitcoin Treasury Management 05:00 Transitioning into the Bitcoin Space 10:27 Proof of Work vs. Credentials in Bitcoin 16:30 Innovative Metrics in Bitcoin Treasury Management 21:03 The Impact of Accounting Changes on Bitcoin Holdings 26:50 The Future of Bitcoin as a Corporate Asset 33:10 Preferred Equity Offerings and Financial Innovation 40:00 Education and Investor Relations in Bitcoin 42:05 The Future of Bitcoin Treasury Companies 48:23 Conclusion and Future Outlook Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites. Subscribe to Over The Horizon: A Bitcoin Podcast on Soundwise | 54m 29s | ||||||
| 8/21/25 |  Bitcoin vs Real Estate: Why Digital Property Wins with Leon Wankum | In this episode, I sit down with Leon Wankum—real estate developer, author, and analyst on Bitcoin, real estate, philosophy, and ethics. We dive deep into the paradigm shift underway as Bitcoin begins siphoning the monetary premium from real estate, reshaping the way we think about value storage and property. We discuss Leon’s journey from growing up on construction sites to researching Bitcoin in academia, and how he came to view Bitcoin as “digital real estate”—a superior store of value that’s absolutely scarce, unlike housing. We cover why real estate has been a politically protected asset class, how liabilities make it an imperfect store of value, and why Bitcoin is a simpler, more resilient alternative. From dual-collateralization strategies to the future of housing affordability, Leon explains why developers and investors who embrace Bitcoin today will become the builders of tomorrow. Follow Leon on X → https://x.com/leonwankum Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites. Subscribe to Over The Horizon: A Bitcoin Podcast on Soundwise | 51m 23s | ||||||
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