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Perspectives: Episode 134 - Ride to the Conditions
Aug 25, 2026
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Perspectives: Episode 133 – Who's Paying for AI?
Aug 3, 2026
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Perspectives: Episode 132 - We Need to Talk About Productivity
Jul 20, 2026
18m 04s
Perspectives: Episode 131 – The Price of Sovereignty
Jul 5, 2026
17m 48s
Perspectives: Episode 130 – The holiday from history is over
Jun 16, 2026
17m 42s
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| 8/25/26 | Perspectives: Episode 134 - Ride to the Conditions | Perspectives 134 – Ride to the Conditions In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, looks at the changing conditions facing investors, from persistent inflation and a stronger Australian dollar to rising government debt and the return of fiscal discipline. (0:44) Tracey, we spend a lot of time talking to clients and advisers about what is happening in markets, but I thought today we might turn that around a little and talk about what they are asking us. (3:13) You think there are good riders and bad riders in markets as well? (4:36) So how do you tell the difference between a good investor taking risk and a reckless investor who just got lucky? (5:08) And presumably that means there will be times when the more reckless investor actually looks like the better investor? (6:39) So what are the conditions around us today? (8:04) Which makes inflation harder to get rid of because the constraints on supply negatively impact growth. (9:34) Let's move onto the Australian dollar. We've seen quite a move recently. In the last month and a half we have seen almost a 3 cent move higher. What's going on? (10:21) US government debt has just passed US$40 trillion for the first time. It has doubled in roughly a decade and about US$3 trillion has been added in the past year alone. (11:43) And we're seeing the bond market respond to that now. The US 30-year Treasury yield has recently been above 5.3 per cent, the highest level since 2007 (13;49) Are we seeing that happen? (15;46) And presumably there's a feedback loop here as well. Higher yields make the debt problem worse. (17:11) Meanwhile, back home, the Australian Commonwealth government debt hit its own milestone last week topping A$1 trillion for the first time. | — | ||||||
| 8/3/26 | Perspectives: Episode 133 – Who's Paying for AI? | In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, discusses just how large the AI capital expenditure budgets have become, where the money is coming from, and which parts of the AI supply chain are most at risk of overinvestment. (0:51) It feels as though every major technology company is announcing another massive increase in AI investment. Just how big has this AI spending boom become? (2:00) What's interesting, though, is that the spending doesn't seem to be slowing. If anything, every earnings season the budgets seem to get bigger. (4:10) Microsoft seems to have convinced the market that the investment is paying off. Was that true for everyone? (5:58) For Alphabet and Meta, investors are still asking, "Show me how this next wave of spending turns into future earnings." (6:57) If the hyperscalers are collectively spending more than US$400 billion this year, where is all that money actually coming from? (8:38) Where does that capital come from? (10:47) AI has become one of the world's largest consumers of investment capital. The unfortunate thing is this is happening at the same time as bond yields are hitting multi-decade highs. (12:12) So, Tracey, whenever we see an investment boom of this magnitude, history tells us that eventually somebody builds too much. Is AI heading down the same path? (12:49) Let's work through the supply chain. Where do you think the risks are highest? (13:54) What about data centres – surely that's where everyone's worried about a bubble? (14:41) What about the companies actually making the equipment? (16:01) So, not all parts of the AI supply chain should be treated the same – particularly when we are talking about capex? | — | ||||||
| 7/20/26 | productivityinvestment+5 | — | AI strategyEscala | Australia | productivityinvestment+5 | — | 18m 04s | ||
| 7/5/26 | sovereigntyinvestment+4 | — | Escala | AustraliaSouth Korea | sovereigntyinvestment+5 | — | 17m 48s | ||
| 6/16/26 | geopoliticsinfrastructure+4 | — | SpaceX | — | efficiencyresilience+5 | — | 17m 42s | ||
| 6/15/26 | investment philosophyfund management+3 | Paul Moore | PM CapitalPM Global Companies Fund | healthcare | investmentfund manager+4 | — | 31m 50s | ||
| 5/21/26 | AI-native companiesworkflow redesign+4 | — | General CatalystBain Capital Ventures | AustraliaUS | AIinvestment+7 | — | 22m 24s | ||
| 5/11/26 | US economyMilken Institute+4 | — | Milken InstituteNvidia | — | Milken InstituteAI+6 | — | 18m 28s | ||
| 4/23/26 | private equityfund management+3 | Richard Blackburn | CVC Capital Partners | — | CVC Capital Partnersprivate equity+3 | — | 21m 16s | ||
| 4/21/26 | geopolitical tensionsmarket implications+3 | — | Escala | US | geopolitical tensionsmarkets+5 | — | 18m 58s | ||
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| 3/24/26 | oil shockmacroeconomic policy+4 | — | AIEscala | AustraliaUS | oil pricesinterest rates+5 | — | 17m 08s | ||
| 3/4/26 | geopolitical tensionsoil market+4 | — | — | Middle EastUnited States+6 | geopolitical volatilityoil prices+4 | — | 20m 11s | ||
| 2/16/26 | Episode 124 – Investing in a New World Order | In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, talks about the release of Escala's The Agenda publication, what a shifting global order means for investors and how it is shaping the way Escala constructs portfolios. (0:52) This is the 7th edition now. Before we get into the details, remind us - what is The Agenda? Is this a tactical playbook for the next 12 months? (1:47) And that didn't just start yesterday, did it? Inequality has been building for some time in a number of countries – Australia and the US (3:07) So, markets recovered - but society fractured. You talk about this in The Agenda and describe it as a "bonfire of the vanities." (5:13) You could probably include the recent experience in Australia in that, with the breakdown in the marriage of the Liberal and National parties and before that the rise of the Teals. (5:52) So here we are in 2026. More minority governments, more fragile coalitions. More populist leaders. What are the consequences of all of this? (7:37) When you say politics is driving markets more, does that mean investors need to react to every tweet or headline? (9:02) Does adapting mean tweaking assumptions? Or is this a more fundamental change? (11:05) And portfolio construction? How are you thinking about that? (12:53) A clear example today is datacentres and power. Amazon can build a datacentre significantly faster than an energy company can supply the power to operate it. (13:54) You've described the gold chart recently as not a hockey stick but a right angle. Is inflation fear driving that? (15:12) You're becoming more nuanced, more inflation aware. Anything else? What about volatility? (16:49) So, this isn't about getting more defensive in portfolios? | — | ||||||
| 11/27/25 | Episode 123 – Was this Googles' DeepSeek moment? | In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, talks about what could be Googles' DeepSeek moment – the launch of Gemini 3. If it is everything that ChatGPT isn't, what does this do to the promises made by OpenAI? (1:03) Let's start this week with what I'm calling the Nvidia check your airbags moment because the last fortnight has been incredibly volatile in markets. Whilst you are not alarmed by this you have been telling clients to check their airbags. (3:20) How has the narrative around AI changed? We hear a lot about the size of capital spending budgets from the likes of Nvidia and Microsoft etc but government seem to view it as more a national security priority. (6:29) I hear what you are saying – Gemini 3 does seem impressive. But why did this negatively affect the share price for Nvidia? Can't Nvidia supply chips to Google as easily as it does to OpenAI? (9:21) Let's move to the second theme of the week: monetary policy is becoming more challenging. Just when we had the fog of tariffs and the uncertainty of the government shutdown lifting, we now have less conviction in the path of monetary policy. (12:25) How dangerous is that? (13:45) Let's close with the third theme: fiscal policy is still loose in many places. The most intriguing twist is that Spain, long considered a fiscal problem child for Europe, now has a smaller budget deficit than Germany. Is politics playing a role here too. (15:40) But Germany isn't alone in this. Countries everywhere are reshoring manufacturing, redesigning supply chains, and pouring capital into energy, defence, and infrastructure. (17:01) Which brings us back to Japan where the credibility of the central bank is not the only thing being questioned. The bond and currency markets also have their eye on the fiscal experiment unfolding under the new Prime Minister Takaichi. (19:39) A good reason to stay loose on the bars or for those of us who are part of the four-wheel crowd, check your airbags. Tracey, thank you as always… | — | ||||||
| 11/17/25 | Perspectives: Fund Manager Interview with Doug Tynan from GCQ Funds Management | In this episode, Escala Investment Analyst, David Bruty talks to Doug Tynan, Chief Investment Officer of GCQ Funds Management. Doug discusses GCQ's investment philosophy and the team's focus on quality industries and companies, how trade policy and the artificial intelligence theme is expressed in their current portfolio, and how Uber will prosper in a changing environment as robotaxis continue to be rolled out around the world. | — | ||||||
| 10/22/25 | Episode 122 – Why is gold rallying? | In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, talks about gold and how it has become a hedge against distrust. When money becomes too political to believe in, investors turn to what can't be printed. (1:35) Let's start with AI. OpenAI's been in the headlines almost weekly - new partnerships, huge infrastructure deals, and some big numbers attached. But behind all of that excitement, there's a growing conversation about vendor financing and related-party transactions - essentially suppliers funding their own customers. You've been following this closely, Tracey. What's your take on it? (4:59) So in effect, the same interconnectedness that amplifies growth on the way up amplifies fragility on the way down. (7:43) Is the other risk though around whether the revenue that is being promised by some of these companies in some of these loans is being pulled forward. (8:50) So the concern would be the quality of the revenue - not necessarily the existence of financing itself. (9:19) You've said recently that gold has stopped being a hedge - and started being a referendum. What do you mean by that? (10:18) So you'd say this is more a vote of no confidence? (11:36) That really is interesting. We've built a system that depends on our faith in fiat, in this case, the US dollar, but we price our distrust in fiat in US dollars per ounce. (12:32) And what's the implication for portfolios? (14:17) Let's move to a related theme - risk management. You mentioned that a client asked you recently, "How do you think about risk when adding a new fund to the portfolio?" That's such an important question, particularly in times like these. (15:40) Right – and so even when allocations look different on paper, they can still be tied to the same global currents. How do you identify genuine diversification? | — | ||||||
| 10/3/25 | Episode 121 – AI power plays | There are now more data centres being built in the US than office buildings. In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, looks at the political implications of data centre demand for energy. (00:56) That's the first move in nine months but it was widely anticipated. It was called a "risk management" move. What's your take? (03:03) Stephen Miran, a Trump-aligned recent appointee, has stirred the debate by advocating for aggressive rate cuts. He wanted a half point cut, not the quarter point that was consensus. (03:48) What does a less independent US central bank mean? (05:58) We have seen this challenge to central bank independence before haven't we. President Nixon pressured Fed Chair Arthur Burns to keep interest rates low ahead of the 1972 election. (06:52) Trump is increasingly interfering in the operation of the market. It is strange to see the US government listed now as the third largest equity holder of Intel. So what's the playbook? How do investors position for this? (08:13) Let's start with demand, because that's where Jensen Huang's comment lands hardest. When he says AI needs 100 times more power, what exactly is being measured here? (10:38) So this is real megawatts being pulled off the grid, and it's happening fast - faster than new supply can be created. (11:17) You've just described what looks like a classic market failure. In most sectors, when demand explodes, prices rise, and that price signal encourages more supply. But in power markets, the feedback loop seems broken. Why isn't the invisible hand working here? What's stopping utilities, or private investors, from rushing in to build more capacity and cash in on the higher demand from AI? (12:19) And that tightness shows up as rising prices for wholesale electricity and eventually household bills. So AI demand, if unmanaged, risks spilling into the broader economy as a cost-of-living issue. (12:40) How are regulators starting to respond? Do you see the beginnings of more heavy-handed policy - where governments start deciding who gets power and at what price? (13:29) We have heard recently Pennsylvania is thinking about going its own way in what sounds like a break from the national approach. What exactly are they proposing, and what does it tell us about how fragmented U.S. energy policy might become? (14:20) So effectively, Pennsylvania is saying: "Come here, set up your data centres, and we'll make sure you have the power you need, even if it means going against the grain of national policy." (14:55) When I listen to all this, what I hear is that electricity is no longer just a background utility. It's becoming strategic - like oil was in the 20th century. Are we moving into an era where countries, and even states, treat power as a weapon of economic advantage? (15:40) So for investors, for policymakers, even for ordinary households - what does this mean? (16:22) Tracey, this has been eye-opening. AI isn't just a technology story - it's an energy story, and a policy story, and maybe even a political story if states start going their own way. | — | ||||||
| 9/22/25 | Perspectives: In Conversation with Head of Equities Crispin Murray from Pendal | In this episode, Escala Partners Investment Analyst David Bruty talks to Crispin Murray, Head of Equities at Pendal. Crispin talks to some of the key themes from August's reporting season in Australian equities, the heightened volatility that surrounded results and how this is providing opportunities for active managers such as Pendal, and the outlook for the year ahead. | — | ||||||
| 9/7/25 | Episode 120 – Choose your own line: Lessons from motorcycles | In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, shares an important lesson when riding a motorcycle that can be applied to China's FOMO driven equity rally. (00:51) We had a client lunch in Newcastle this week. One of the topics of conversation was not surprisingly, AI. But the question was more around – is AI an era or a regime shift? (03:47) Political unrest seems to be on the rise at the moment. We are seeing protests in Sydney and Melbourne and other capital cities around the world protesting immigration among other things. Politics is always a difficult one to price. How do you and team think about this growing unrest? (06:56) What does this mean for investors? (09:97) One of the other points of discussion recently has been around how governments have become less global. What do you mean by that and what are the implications for investors? (12:18) Nvidia's earnings result last week was overshadowed a little by China's latest developments in AI. What can you tell us there? (15:08) Chinese equities are on a tear right now – they were one of the better performing markets in August. How much of this rise is based on the fundamentals around AI and how much is based on the FOMO trade – the fear of missing out. (17:23) It is common isn't it for Chinese equities to experience sentiment driven swings like this? | — | ||||||
| 8/20/25 | Episode 119 – How do you innovate? Quietly then loudly. | In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, talks about the role private markets play in quietly innovating and why patient capital is so important. Public markets in contrast are getting noisier and more volatile. What is the role for both in a portfolio? (1:02) We have had some good feedback on the podcast you did with Lane McDonald, the CIO at SCS Financial. The whole issue of public versus private markets is something that has grabbed the attention of clients. Why is that do you think? (4:36) This goes to the long-term thinking by private companies doesn't it and the patience private companies are given by their investors. (6:17) You don't see this same level of volatility in private markets. (7:56) I suppose one of the other big trends clients are seeing is the rise of ETFs. How is that impacting the market? (9:41) And I guess the situation is made so much worse with ETFs now making up more than 50% of the entire US equity market. (12:27) Do you think this goes some way to explaining why the market looks so expensive? (13:01) Does this then mean by comparison the private equity market is cheaper since it doesn't suffer the same afflictions as the public market in terms of concentration and passive ETF flows? (14:47) You mentioned earlier that public markets are becoming more private and private markets are staying private. Some would argue that private markets are becoming more liquid with the rise of evergreen private funds – funds that don't lock investors capital away for 7 plus years. What do you think of this trend? (16:33) Where do you think we will be in 5-10 years given these trends in the structure of the market? (19:00) So for investors, that means the question won't just be 'public or private,' but how to balance both in a portfolio that's built for the long term. Thanks Tracey that's all we have time for … | — | ||||||
| 7/24/25 | Perspectives: In Conversation with Chief Investment Officer Lane MacDonald from SCS Financial | In this episode, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, speaks with Lane MacDonald, Chief Investment Officer at SCS Financial a $40b US wealth manager and focus Financial Partner. Together, they discuss how the lines between public and private markets are blurring, prompting investors to rethink how they allocate capital, manage risk, and pursue returns between the two. | — | ||||||
| 7/17/25 | Perspectives: In Conversation with Property Specialists Greg Hyland and Hugh MacDonald from CBRE | In this episode, Escala Investment Analyst Stephen Dickinson talks to Greg Hyland (Head of Capital Markets, Asia Pacific) and Hugh MacDonald (Head of Capital Advisors, Asia Pacific) from CBRE. Greg and Hugh discuss how CBRE currently view the macro landscape and the impacts on the commercial real estate sector, some of the underlying structural drivers in the sector and the outlook ahead. | — | ||||||
| 7/11/25 | Episode 118 – Adapting to Uncertainty: Tariffs, taxes, and tech's changing map | In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, shares what she is telling clients about the current level of uncertainty particularly in relation to tariffs, taxes and changes in technology. (1:17) What are you saying to clients about this level of uncertainty? (3:56) So given that, are you less worried that the trade war and Trumps tariff policies will be the thing that kills this market? (6:40) So uncertainty is just something we need to accept? (7:39) There's this worry you sometimes hear that governments will "go broke in an AI world" because traditional tax bases will erode. Is that real do you think? (9:03) And we're already seeing signs of that, right? (10:28) I would imagine Jeff Bezos didn't help the cause of his billionaire friends by have such a lavish, opulent wedding. And the US just passed its own big fiscal bill. (11:03) So neither the US or UK are tackling the long-term revenue challenge head-on. (12:23) But in the meantime, government debt levels continue to grow. I am reminded of the old adage, how do you go bankrupt, first slowly then quickly. (14:13) Global equities have done well. Bonds have been relatively well behaved. What's behind this resiliency? (15:19) Earlier this year, everything felt like it was about Big Tech and AI megacaps. Has that changed at all? (16:15) So that means investors might start looking outside the US for tech exposure | — | ||||||
| 6/25/25 | Episode 117 – In Trust We Must: From Wall Street to the Open Road | In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, talks about the importance of trust – between governments, institutions, clients and their advisers and of course the rider and her bike. (1:18) So, Tracey, how do you define trust? (1:59) Can you think of a single system—financial, political, or social—that functions without trust? (2:35) Let's go back to 2008. Where were you when Lehman collapsed? Did it hit you right away that this was a trust crisis? (3:46) And the stats reflect that. Only 27% of Americans said at the time they trusted the financial system. Ben Bernanke was the Chair of the Federal Reserve. His first move wasn't to inject capital - it was to calm people down. (4:22) That's the thing with trust - it's invisible when it works, but when it fails? (5:07) Let's zoom out for a minute. We've talked about trust in institutions, but what about trust between countries? You saw that on display at the G7 recently in Canada. President Trump walked out mid-session. Again. Cameras rolled as he boarded Air Force One early, leaving key negotiations unfinished. The summit, momentarily, became the G6. (6:00) What does that look like in practice? (6:58) And trade? (7:18) So is this a retreat from U.S. leadership? (9:35) And while allies hedge, rivals act. (10:25) And underneath all of that—is the erosion of trust. (10:44) So Tracey, I'll put the big question to you: What if trust—not military power, not GDP—was the real engine of American leadership... and that engine's stalling? (11:41) Let's come down from the G7 and walk into an adviser's office. We have spoken about trust between institutions and their clients, between the US and its allies. What about trust in our world – between the adviser and their client? (12:38) It's not just about investments, it goes further than that, its nice to get to know clients on a personal level and vice versa. (15:03) Let me shift gears—literally and talk about trust as it relates to something close to your heart. Like every other relationship we have talked about here, trust on two wheels isn't abstract. It's visceral. | — | ||||||
| 6/10/25 | Episode 116 – Are we past peak US exceptionalism? | In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, considers the question are we past peak US exceptionalism? If so, where are the alternative safe havens for investors. (0:50) So, Tracey, you presented at a conference last week. Let's start with topic of your session: Have we seen peak U.S. exceptionalism? (4:12) Just on the topic of ballooning government debt, the current fiscal proposal, the so called "Big beautiful budget bill" combines tax cuts with higher defence spending and no meaningful plan to reduce debt. It just ties in with investor concerns about fiscal recklessness. (6:17) Let's look at what the market's telling us. U.S. equities? Basically, flat for the year. Meanwhile, German equities are up 20%. And what about the tech titans? The so-called Magnificent Seven – are they still magnificent? (7:50) So, if the U.S. is losing its lustre, the next question is: who is looking more attractive? Is China a beneficiary of Americas decline? (10:35) So, what does that mean for investors? Should we be increasing our allocation to China? (11:44) If we are in world that is potentially going through structural change where can investors find shelter? (14:45) What if you still wanted to be invested. You mentioned China is looking interesting again. Where else? | — | ||||||
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