PT feat Art of Growth • S3E13

PT feat Art of Growth • S3E13

From Pocket Theology by Zion • Clear Lake

April 15, 2026 · 1h 9m

About this episode

The episode discusses the importance of self-awareness in following Jesus through the lens of the Enneagram with guests from The Art of Growth.

Your Enneagram type is not who you are—it’s where you start." Today on Pocket Theology, we’re joined by Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman of The Art of Growth to discuss why self-awareness is crucial for following Jesus. We tackle the tough questions: Why are many Christians resistant to personality tools? What is "spiritual bypassing," and how do we use religious language to avoid doing our inner work? From Jason’s journey as a Type 7 to Leah’s experience as a Type 5, we explore how opening our eyes to our "default settings" allows us to encounter God’s grace in the places we usually try to hide. Whether you're an Enneagram nerd or a skeptic, this conversation is an invitation to move from "propositional knowledge" about God to a "participatory relationship" with Him. Highlights include: • The Purity Mindset: Why we obsess over origins and miss the truth that belongs to God. • Hunters, Farmers, & Teamers: A look at the instincts that nuance our personality. • The Way of the Cross vs. The Sword: Why picking up your cross means releasing your need for superiority. To connect, email podcast@zionclearlake.org • zionclearlake.org/pockettheology

People in this episode

Host: Jason

Guests: Joel Hubbard, Jim Zartman

Topics covered

  • Enneagram
  • self-awareness
  • personality tools
  • spiritual bypassing
  • Christianity
  • grace

Keywords

  • personality
  • faith
  • inner work
  • default settings

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Products: Enneagram

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