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Boost Product Adoption Like A GoFundMe Pro PMM
Apr 28, 2026
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Mar 31, 2026
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| 4/28/26 | Boost Product Adoption Like A GoFundMe Pro PMM | Most adoption problems are not product problems. They are behavior change problems. In this episode, we dig into status quo bias and why customers often stick with what they know, even when your product is clearly better. If you have ever struggled to get users to switch, upgrade, or adopt a new workflow, this will feel very familiar.Keith Blazek joins me to break down how to drive adoption at scale across an entire customer base. Keith has spent over 13 years driving growth across SaaS and financial services in both B2B and B2C, and he helped scale Classy, now GoFundMe Pro, through major growth and transformation. During that time, the platform grew from $1B to $2.6B in annual nonprofit donation volume.Keith walks through his adoption playbook, starting with the step most teams skip. The audit. What assets and channels do you actually have, where does the product fit in the lifecycle, and what is really happening in onboarding and usage. From there, he explains how he builds a repeatable system rather than relying on one big campaign.We also get into practical segmentation, targeting, and positioning for buying committees, plus his Gain, Logic, Fear framework for getting different stakeholders on board without changing the core message. And in the messaging critique segment, Keith audits Wealthfront and shares why specificity and clarity matter even more when you are asking people to change.LINKSMessaging Critique: https://www.wealthfront.com Connect with Keith: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/keith-blazek/ Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ Website: https://www.productmarketingadventures.com/ | 1h 08m 25s | ||||||
| 4/14/26 | Leverage Your Community Like An Expedia PMM | Everyone seems to be talking about community right now, but what does it actually take to build one that people want to be part of? In this episode, Cara Gravett joins us to unpack why community matters more than ever in a landscape full of polished, AI-generated noise, and why belonging can be far more powerful than attention.Cara brings deep experience from Expedia, where she worked across product, partners, and revenue, helping shape growth in complex B2B ecosystems. She now advises companies on how to make product marketing more strategic, and also runs Between Launches, a community built for product marketers to learn from one another and grow together.In our conversation, we explore the difference between an audience and a true community, why smaller and more intentional groups are often more effective, and what Expedia’s Travel Agent Affiliate Program can teach us about building something genuinely useful. Cara also shares a practical lens for approaching community strategy without the fluff.We also touch on where AI can support community building, where it falls short, and why human connection still sits at the centre of it all. Plus, in the messaging critique segment, Cara breaks down Maven Clinic’s positioning and shares a smart reminder about the value of sharper audience focus.LINKSMessaging Critique: https://www.mavenclinic.com/ Connect with Cara: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cara-gravett/ Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ Website: https://www.productmarketingadventures.com/ | 47m 50s | ||||||
| 3/31/26 | Go Viral with Customers Like a Granola PMM | If you spent any time on Twitter or LinkedIn in December 2025, you probably saw Granola Crunched everywhere. In this episode, Jack Cully joins me to break down how Granola turned a familiar year-in-review format into a deeply shareable campaign that spread fast across tech workers and generated millions of organic impressions. Jack is part of the team behind Granola, the AI meeting notes tool people genuinely love using, and before that he was one of the earliest marketers at Monzo, helping shape one of the most recognisable brands in UK FinTech.Jack shares why the campaign worked so well, starting with the fact that Granola already solved a real problem people cared about.Instead of forcing a trend onto the product, the team used real meeting data to create something funny, personal, and instantly recognisable. We get into how they built the experience, why it felt so shareable, and what made users want to post it rather than just look at it.We also talk about the details that made the campaign land. That includes how Granola balanced personalization with privacy, why launch timing mattered, and how hands-on social engagement helped turn momentum into something much bigger. More importantly, we unpack how the campaign shifted brand perception, moving Granola beyond a useful tool and into something people felt understood their working lives.We close with a messaging critique of Lovable and their line, “Some ideas are too loud to ignore,” including where the campaign is strong and where it could go further. The bigger takeaway from the episode is simple: the best campaigns do not come from chasing trends. They come from knowing your product, knowing your users, and building something people genuinely want to share.Key TakeawaysViral campaigns work best when they amplify something users already valuePersonalisation only works when it feels useful, not invasiveFamiliar formats can still feel fresh when they are tightly tied to the productLaunch timing and active engagement can make a big difference to momentumGreat campaigns do more than drive attention, they shift brand perceptionStrong creative starts with customer insight, not trend-chasingLINKSMessaging Critique: https://lovable.dev/ Connect with Jack: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcully Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ Website: https://www.productmarketingadventures.com/ | 57m 56s | ||||||
| 3/17/26 | Enable salespeople with AI like an Optiversal PMM | Sales enablement only looks like a messaging problem from a distance. Up close, it’s usually a systems problem. No clear strategy, no feedback loop, and training that happens once, then disappears. In this episode, Michele Nieberding, currently head of product marketing at Optiversal, breaks down how she transformed sales enablement during her time at Treasure Data by starting with diagnosis, not deliverables. She shares how to spot the early signals, like stage-specific drop-offs and objection patterns, then use real rep conversations to build clear hypotheses about what’s actually breaking in the sales cycle.From there, Michele walks through how she rebuilt enablement through purposeful experimentation. Not one big rollout, but repeatable reinforcement that actually changes behaviour. We cover why one-off trainings don’t work, how to make learning stick through repetition and feedback loops, and why measuring even small improvements in cycle time or stage conversion is what earns enablement trust. We close with a messaging critique of ClickUp, including why “Every app, every team” is bold, but can lose clarity if it doesn’t quickly anchor on a specific outcome and reason to believe.Key TakeawaysEnablement problems are often strategy and feedback loop problems, not just messagingStart with diagnosis by finding where deals go cold and whyTalk to reps to uncover real friction, then turn it into clear hypothesesRun experiments that reinforce learning over time, not one-off trainingsMeasure impact and iterate, even small gains build credibilityBig positioning still needs sharp edges, clarity, and a clear outcomeLINKSMessaging Critique: ClickUpConnect with Michelle: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michele-nieberding/ Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ Website: https://www.productmarketingadventures.com/ | 50m 48s | ||||||
| 3/3/26 | Run Comp Intel Like an Award-Winning Klaviyo PMM | You know the Slack message. “Hey, do we have a battle card for this competitor?” And you don’t, because it’s the 50th new name you’ve heard this year. In this episode, we talk about why competitive intelligence programs don’t fall apart from lack of effort. They fall apart because the problem is infinite, and scale becomes the real challenge.I’m joined by Mindy Regnell, an award-winning product marketer whose win-loss program won the 2025 Win-Loss Program of the Year from the Product Marketing Alliance. Mindy has spent nearly a decade in market and competitive intelligence, helping teams understand not just who they compete with, but why customers choose. Mindy breaks down how she runs competitive intelligence at Klaviyo, and why her approach isn’t “build a battle card for every competitor.” It’s building a framework that makes the chaos manageable, especially for regional sales teams dealing with a long list of niche and unexpected competitors. We get into her Long Tail inspired framework, plus the practical steps for building it, pressure testing it, and getting leadership buy-in by tying it to outcomes.We close with a messaging critique of Anthropic’s Super Bowl ad and what it gets right about competitive storytelling without naming names. If you’re trying to build a CI program that doesn’t turn into a never-ending content factory, this one’s for you.Key TakeawaysCI doesn’t fail because you’re not working hard enough, it fails because the competitor list is infiniteBuild a framework that scales instead of reacting competitor by competitorStart with your differentiation, then cluster competitors by the real problem they solvePressure test with fresh eyes and secure buy-in by focusing on outcomesBuild broad framework assets first, then go deep on tier-one competitorsStrong competitive messaging can create contrast without direct call-outsLINKSMindy's Presentation "Streamlining Battlecards for Crowded Markets": https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UpNBtOVUkdSRgh8osemE9dz4tsKAAcUa/view Mindy's Battlecard Template: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UOWT8klquy1-xWdtE4V7koMu2clfGKfPGVjfLU3HHmQ/edit?tab=t.0Messaging Critique: AnthropicConnect with Mindy: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mindyregnell Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ Website: https://www.productmarketingadventures.com/ | 1h 02m 06s | ||||||
| 2/17/26 | Reposition Your Platform Like an EventBrite PMM | Platform repositioning is messy. You’re changing how the market understands you, how customers experience value, and how internal teams talk about the product. In this episode, I sit down with Jameelah Calhoun, VP of Market Strategy at Forter, to unpack what it really takes to reposition a platform when the pressure is high and the stakes are real.Jameelah shares what repositioning looked like at Eventbrite during COVID, when the events industry changed overnight. Eventbrite needed to expand beyond “ticketing tool” and be understood as a broader suite of marketing resources for event organisers. She breaks down how to start with the data you already have, spot where product market fit is soft, and find the moments in the journey where customers hit friction.From there, we get into the practical decisions that drive outcomes. Jameelah explains why segmentation is non-negotiable, how to identify the highest leverage problem, and what it looks like to reduce friction through changes to sign-up, packaging, and the path to value. She also talks about building internal trust through tight collaboration with product and engineering, plus using lightweight experiments and an experimentation roadmap to keep decisions focused and defensible.We close with a messaging critique of Calendly. Their homepage nails clarity by repeating “scheduling” relentlessly, but that same simplicity can undersell the more advanced value for sophisticated buyers, like integrations, payments, and workflow automation. We talk about the opportunity to keep the core promise while elevating the positioning so it reflects what the product has become.Key TakeawaysStart with existing research and performance data before you build a new storySegment your audience properly, because different users need different value cuesFind the highest leverage problem, then focus your work thereBuild trust through close partnership with product and engineeringUse lightweight experiments and a clear roadmap to validate decisionsMessaging should stay clear, but still reflect the full value of the productLINKSMessaging Critique: Calendly Connect with Jameelah: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jameelah-calhoun/ Podcast: https://www.unpopulardecisions.com/ Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 59m 56s | ||||||
| 2/3/26 | Use a PMM AI agent like a Docebo PMM | Product marketers, you know this pain. You need insights yesterday, but the data is scattered across calls, surveys, dashboards, and internal docs. In this episode, Emily Pick shares how she used AI agents to run a multi-layered messaging gap analysis in just two hours, turning what normally takes weeks into a repeatable process. The big lesson is not magic prompts. It is getting clear on inputs first, then using automation to pull the right data, and finally using AI to pressure-test narratives and messaging angles fast.We also cover why feedback loops matter if you want the insights to stick. Emily shares how she validates findings with product, demand gen, and stakeholders so the work gets sharper and earns trust. Then we finish with a messaging critique of Granola.ai, an AI note-taking tool with a refreshingly clear promise for people in back-to-back meetings, plus a smart “Crunched” campaign. The opportunity is emotional differentiation. In a crowded market, the story is not just better notes. It is being present in the meeting.Key TakeawaysStart with inputs, not tools. Define the data that actually matters before you touch AIAutomate collection so you can spend time on narrative, not adminUse AI to explore and test messaging angles quickly, not to replace strategyBuild feedback loops to validate insights and increase stakeholder buy-inMessaging wins when it is consistent, specific, and emotionally resonantLINKSMessaging Critique:Granola.aihttps://www.granola.ai/Connect with Emily: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilypick/Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 57m 25s | ||||||
| 1/20/26 | Craft product launch tiers like an Atlassian PMM | Product launches are never “just a launch.” Some releases quietly drive retention, others reshape the business, and treating every launch like a Tier 1 moment creates burnout internally and noise externally. In this episode, Ashley Faus, Head of Lifecycle Marketing at Atlassian, breaks down how Atlassian thinks about launch tiers and how PMMs can use tiering to align teams, set expectations, and ship with more clarity and less chaos.Ashley walks through what actually makes a tiering framework work, starting with auditing how launches have been run in your org, then aligning tiers to impact across customers, the company, and the ecosystem. She shares how to build buy-in through a cross-functional roadshow, and how to map tactics to tiers based on intended impact, not a checklist of activities.We also take a look at the messaging of Contentstack in our messaging critique segment. We go through a real example of channel mismatch, where a strong billboard promise did not match the vague website headline, and what changed when feedback forced the messaging to become clearer and more consistent. The takeaway is simple: even the best launch plan falls apart if the message people land on does not match the message that got their attention in the first place.Key TakeawaysLaunch tiers create clarity by aligning effort to impact, not internal workloadAudit past launches to build a framework your org will actually adoptGet cross-functional buy-in through a roadshow before you lock the tiersMap tactics to the tier’s impact, not a bigger list of activitiesMessaging consistency across channels is non-negotiable for launch successLINKSMessaging Critique:Contentstack:https://www.contentstack.com/Connect with Ashley: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyfaus/ Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 1h 09m 35s | ||||||
| 1/6/26 | Prove Product Marketing Value Like a Cordial PMM | Every product marketer knows the feeling of walking into a meeting, bracing to prove your worth because most people do not really understand what product marketing actually does. We are all experts at crafting messaging and launching products, but translating that work into business results that leadership can see and believe in is where so many PMMs get stuck. Today, we're talking about how to demonstrate product marketing value in a way that is simple, credible, and impossible to misunderstand. Julien Sauvage, CMO at Cordial and former PMM leader at Salesforce, Gong, and Clari, joins us to share his expertise.Julien explains his practical playbook for proving impact, based on his experience at Gong where he directly linked messaging changes to sales outcomes. He shares how to start with a single metric, build a narrative, train your sales team, and use data to measure adoption and results. This approach proves value and creates a culture of continuous improvement and alignment with business priorities.We also break down the messaging strategies of UserGems and ZoomInfo, showing why clarity and specificity matter for every brand, no matter the size. Julien’s advice for PMMs is to focus on business outcomes, keep your approach flexible, and make your narrative impossible to ignore. Tune in for actionable strategies and real-world examples that will help you make your product marketing impact clear and compelling.Key Takeaways:Start with one clear metric to define and measure your impactBuild a narrative and enable your sales team with hands-on trainingUse data to track adoption and outcomes, then refine your approachPrioritise clarity and specificity in your messaging, regardless of your brand’s sizeKeep your strategy flexible and always align with business prioritiesLINKSMessaging Critique:ZoomInfo: https://www.zoominfo.com/ UserGems: https://www.usergems.com/ Connect with Julien: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julien-sauvage/ Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 46m 05s | ||||||
| 12/9/25 | The PMM Summit Series: Coaching Hour with Yi Lin Pei | You're tweaking resume bullets at midnight and second-guessing every word whilst everyone else on LinkedIn seems to have the perfect career story. Here's the brutal truth: most PMMs never get real feedback on their resume, messaging, or career direction. We're all just guessing what hiring managers care about and whether our stories actually land. That guessing ends today as we kick off the PMM Summit Series with Yi Lin Pei, renowned PMM coach and career strategist who's helped over 300 PMMs get hired in as little as 30 days and get promoted within months.Yi Lin tackles the real conundrums keeping you stuck, starting with transforming your resume from boring task list into compelling movie trailer that makes hiring managers itch to learn more. We dissect real-world PMM resumes to uncover what actually works, then dive into listener challenges including Josh (drowning in tasks after team downsizing) and Elena (struggling to gain strategic recognition). Yi Lin reveals practical frameworks like the impact versus effort matrix for prioritization and the crucial transition from transactional PMM to partnership-focused strategist.We also analyse the messaging strategies of Gong and Outreach, breaking down how Gong positions as "operating system for revenue teams" whilst Outreach champions "AI revenue workflow." The segment reveals why strong, unique points of view matter more than feature lists and how both companies own distinct strategic positions. Yi Lin's insights prove that PMMs who advance think strategically about their own careers with the same rigour they apply to product launches.LINKSResources:Product Marketing Resume SampleGuide to Enhancing the PMM+Sales RelationshipProduct Marketing Prioritization Process NewsletterMessaging Critique:Gong: https://www.gong.io/ Outreach: https://www.outreach.io/ Connect with Yi Lin: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/yilinpei Website: https://www.courageous-careers.com/ Connect with Elle:Website: www.productmarketingadventures.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 1h 14m 26s | ||||||
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| 11/11/25 | Sell Your Vision like a Postman PMM | You're leading a product marketing initiative you genuinely believe in, but every direction you turn, someone else is fighting for the same limited resources, stakeholder attention, and executive patience. If you don't sell your vision, your project gets cut or starved of support before it ever has a chance to shine. That's the reality for PMMs inside big organisations, where the work isn't just about go-to-market strategy but winning the time and space to actually do it right.John McKiernan joins us as a product marketing leader at Postman who previously led the launch for Jira Product Discovery, the fastest growing product in Atlassian's history. John shares how he's mastered internal buy-in using frameworks that simplify complexity, narratives that create emotional connection, and experimentation that builds credibility when everyone's fighting for limited resources.He reveals his strategy of treating internal projects like public product launches by giving them brands and compelling stories. John walks us through his Race Car Growth Framework that uses analogies like growth engines and turbo boosts to simplify complex strategies for executives. Central to this approach is genuine commitment to experimentation that builds trust with stakeholders who've been burned by overpromised initiatives before.We also critique the messaging of Lovable, an AI-powered software development platform that builds full-stack applications from natural language prompts. John spots opportunities to strengthen their narrative by aligning storytelling with measurable outcomes and integrating clear evidence of success that ties back to tangible business objectives.Key Takeaways: • Treat internal initiatives like external product launches with brands and compelling narratives • Use the Race Car Growth Framework to simplify complex strategies for executive audiences • Build credibility through documented experimentation rather than gut-feel proposals • Align product storytelling with measurable outcomes and stakeholder KPIsLINKSLenny’s Racecar Growth Framework Lovable (messaging critique): https://lovable.dev/ Connect with John: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-mckiernan-1a6b2719/ Connect with Elle:Website: www.productmarketingadventures.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 57m 32s | ||||||
| 10/28/25 | Build Platform Messaging Like a Blue Manta PMM | Remember when Netflix was just a DVD-by-mail rental service? Or when Apple only sold computers? Every giant brand started with a single, simple product story, but once you expand with more offerings, the narrative gets messy fast. Most PMMs face this brutal reality: you've built something genuinely valuable that solves multiple problems, but explaining it without confusing everyone feels impossible. You're stuck in the platform storytelling paradox where companies either lose deals or leave massive opportunities untapped.Jonathan Pipek and Craig Brown join us as two experts who've cracked this code across dozens of companies. Jonathan is the founder of Blue Manta Consulting, having built PMM departments from scratch and mentored over 90 PMMs across 20 countries. Craig is the founder of Troubadour, the UK's first dedicated product marketing consultancy for B2B tech, and founding product marketer at fast-growing startups like Beamery and Invisible. Together, they walk us through a transformative case study where they helped a European legal tech company transition from single product story to platform narrative whilst entering the US market.Their process reveals a five-step playbook for platform storytelling that actually sticks, starting with comprehensive internal alignment and market research before building flexible messaging frameworks. Jonathan emphasizes handling the potential sales cycle slowdowns that accompany strategic shifts, whilst Craig focuses on creating messages centered on problem-solving and clear benefits rather than feature lists. The key insight? Platform storytelling is as much an internal alignment process as it is an external marketing exercise.We also dive into our messaging critique of Metomic's data privacy solutions, where Jonathan and Craig illustrate how subtle shifts in language and strategic positioning transform overly technical narratives into clear, compelling stories aligned with customer pain points. Their experience proves that platform messaging isn't just strategic repositioning but crafting stories that resonate internally and externally, guiding companies toward future growth whilst maintaining what made the original story work.LINKSMetomic (messaging critique): https://www.metomic.io/ Connect with Jonathan: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanpipek/ Connect with Craig:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/craigobrown Connect with Elle:Website: www.productmarketingadventures.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 1h 16m 21s | ||||||
| 10/14/25 | Navigate Stakeholders Like a GoldCast PMM | Change messes with our brains. Psychologists call it a threat state where our amygdalas light up and we resist anything unfamiliar. That's the reality Anand Patel faced at Goldcast when shifting from "just a webinar tool" to owning the full video platform story. Anand joins us as Senior Director of Product Marketing at Goldcast, having built PMM functions from scratch at four different companies and launched over 10 tier-one products. His approach to navigating stakeholder resistance during massive repositioning is what separates attempts that fizzle from ones that fundamentally transform market perception.The challenge isn't just managing different opinions. It's managing different threat responses across sales, customer success, leadership, and customers, each with legitimate concerns rooted in human resistance to uncertainty. Anand reveals his strategy for treating stakeholders as individuals with distinct needs, fears, and motivations rather than a monolithic group that needs to "get on board." His approach combines transparency with continuous communication, genuine flexibility to alter plans based on feedback, and something most PMMs overlook: openly acknowledging discomfort whilst painting a compelling picture of what's possible.We also dive into our messaging critique of Remarkable's digital notebook, evaluating how their innovation-focused storytelling could better align with diverse user needs and specific stakeholder pain points. Anand's playbook proves that effective change leadership is both art and science: strategic in approach, empathetic in execution, and relentlessly focused on understanding that resistance isn't the enemy, it's just stakeholders' brains doing exactly what they're designed to do.LINKSRemarkable (messaging critique): https://remarkable.com/ Connect with Anand: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anandmpatel/ Connect with Elle:Website: www.productmarketingadventures.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 53m 29s | ||||||
| 9/30/25 | Launch with Momentum Like a Navattic PMM | Launching into a new ideal customer profile is like being traded to a completely different sports league. The rules are different, the competition is unfamiliar, and you've got to earn trust from scratch. Natalie Marcotullio joins us as a rising star in product marketing at Navattic and two-time solo marketer for early-stage SaaS startups who's mastered wearing every hat whilst delivering results. Today, Natalie walks us through her step-by-step playbook for navigating uncharted ICP territory with strategic precision that separates successful launches from expensive experiments. We dive into her foundation-first approach, including how she leveraged insider insights from Navattic's founder to build narratives that genuinely resonated with solution engineers, and her revolutionary use of custom GPT for internal enablement that replaced endless Google docs with interactive, targeted messaging support.We cover Natalie's data-driven segmentation strategy that combines rigorous science with creative intuition, her sophisticated launch execution featuring tiered email campaigns and CEO-level personalization, and the momentum-building tactics that kept conversations flowing through webinars and strategic partnerships. We also explore our messaging critique of Loop and Tie's sustainable gifting platform, brainstorming ways to enhance clarity and spotlight real customer impact through authentic storytelling.If you're gearing up for an ICP launch or questioning your current strategy, Natalie's playbook offers something most frameworks miss: heart and purpose behind every tactical decision. It's not just about launching with momentum. It's about launching with intention that sustains long after the initial excitement fades.LINKSLoop & Tie (messaging critique): https://www.loopandtie.com/ Connect with Natalie: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natalie-marcotullio/ Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 42m 27s | ||||||
| 9/16/25 | Leverage Voice of Customer Like an Intuit PMM | We all talk about customer obsession, but here's where most PMMs fall short: workload. We carry so much ownership that carving out time for true customer insight feels impossible, yet without it, your ICP is a guess and your go-to-market strategy rests on hope instead of evidence. Today, we're unpacking how to stop talking about customer obsession and start building a voice of customer system that actually scales within the constraints of a busy PMM's reality.Langley Barth joins us with an unconventional path from US Naval officer leading warships and ballistic missile defense missions to lead PMM at Intuit, where he's reimagining professional tax software for high-value firms. His foundation of empathy, discipline, and service has translated beautifully into championing customer voices. When he's not mentoring hundreds of military veterans or working at Intuit, you'll find him tending to his San Diego backyard mini orchard of 16 fruit trees and thousands of honeybees.Lang reveals his structured approach to building scalable voice of customer systems that fit into already packed PMM schedules, including how he leverages AI tools like Google's Notebook LM to extract patterns from customer feedback and transforms insights into actionable strategies through cross-functional alignment. We also explore our messaging critique of Eight Sleep's compelling but stats-heavy approach to sleep technology marketing, discussing how brands can weave more storytelling into impressive performance claims.LINKSEight Sleep (messaging critique): https://www.eightsleep.com Connect with Langley: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/langleybarth/ Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 59m 30s | ||||||
| 9/2/25 | Evangelize Your Value Like Hattie the PMM | Feeling overlooked as a Product Marketing Manager? If you're not evangelizing your value, someone else is defining it for you. PMMs possess a powerful blend of strategy, insight, and impact, yet we're often the best-kept secret in our own organizations.Today I'm sharing insights from my conversation with Hattie, PMM founder of productmarketers.com. By her twenties, she'd built and exited her own company, then became CMO at Tempo Software where she drove substantial ARR growth as their sole PMM. Hattie's become the voice PMMs turn to when they're ready to be seen for their authentic expertise—not just as messengers delivering someone else's vision.We explore Hattie's strategic playbook for making your value undeniable: mapping your internal power players, cultivating champions who advocate for you, and creating a visibility system that connects your work to business outcomes. The biggest shift is embracing your authentic strengths as your competitive edge. Recognition isn't about working harder—it's about strategic positioning and consistent communication.We also dive into our messaging critique of Guideflow's website. Despite delightful animations, they were underselling themselves with scattered messaging. Their challenge mirrors our own as PMMs: stop apologising for your expertise and start owning your unique value proposition. Diluted messaging gets diluted results.Consider joining initiatives like Hattie's PMM challenge for practical strategies and community support. Because the best PMMs don't just execute campaigns—they shape how organizations understand and value product marketing itself.Your expertise deserves recognition. Time to make sure it gets it.LINKSThe Profitable PMM ChallengeGuideflow (messaging critique): https://www.guideflow.com/ Connect with Hattie:Website: https://www.productmarketers.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hattiethepmm Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 1h 02m 58s | ||||||
| 8/19/25 | Sell Trust like an Okta PMM | Moving upmarket to Fortune 1000 accounts isn't just about great products—it's about building trust with complex buying committees. Kevin Gough joins us as one of the most creative problem solvers in product marketing, from launching Google Cloud products to leading category-defining efforts at Okta, Asana, and Grammarly. Today he's sharing how he built trust strategies that opened enterprise doors and helped Okta beat Microsoft at their own game.Kevin reveals his approach to mapping each stakeholder's unique trust requirements—treating trust like a product with features and proof points. We explore Okta's "trust ecosystem," including their genius microsite showcasing uptime data and compliance documentation usually buried in legal folders. This wasn't transparency theater; it was demonstrating trust with actual receipts that transformed market perceptions.The magic happened when Kevin mobilized the entire go-to-market team around trust, transforming it from marketing message to company-wide mission. His approach proves platform storytelling isn't about louder claims—it's about earning trust one stakeholder at a time, proving even Microsoft-sized giants become beatable when you get trust right.LINKSRippling (messaging critique): https://www.rippling.com/ Connect with Kevin:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevingough/ Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 44m 16s | ||||||
| 8/5/25 | Create a New Market Category Like a Splunk PMM | What happens when the market shifts or your product evolves so dramatically that your positioning story no longer fits? Today we're exploring one of the boldest moves a PMM can make—shaping or even creating an entire market category. Whether you're redefining your space, staking a claim in an emerging category, or building one from scratch, this is where strategy, narrative, and business collide in ways that can make or break your product's future.Michael Olson joins us as Senior Director of Product Marketing at Splunk, recognized as a top 100 PMM on ShareBird and founder of the Product Marketer blog. Michael's the person teams turn to for tough questions, customer advocacy, and thoughtful strategy. He walks us through his decision-making framework for category creation: creating a new market category for game-changing products, redefining existing categories with fresh twists, or expanding into adjacent markets with new perspectives.Our conversation covers Michael's five-step narrative crafting process—identifying big changes, framing problems, de-positioning the status quo, describing the promised land, and framing your category as the pathway forward. We dive into securing internal buy-in through company roadshows and external activation via analyst engagements and strategic marketing campaigns. Michael shares a real case study from Splunk's challenge of associating with the observability market, resulting in improved brand recall and industry leadership status.Michael's advice for aspiring PMMs centers on being pragmatic whilst keeping customers front and center, using language that genuinely resonates with your audience. He encourages PMMs to venture beyond product expertise and become market maestros who understand competitor strategies and market nuances—because there's nothing quite like market mastery to bolster your career journey!Key Takeaways:• Market category creation requires strategic decision-making - Choose between creating new categories, redefining existing ones, or expanding into adjacent markets based on your product's unique position• Five-step narrative framework drives category success - Identify big changes, frame problems, de-position status quo, describe the promised land, and frame your category as the solution pathway• Internal buy-in precedes external activation - Run company roadshows to secure internal support before launching analyst engagements and strategic marketing campaigns• Customer-centric language trumps product expertise - Use terminology that resonates with your audience rather than internal jargon or technical specifications• Market mastery accelerates PMM careers - Understanding competitor strategies and market nuances beyond product knowledge creates significant career advancement opportunitiesLINKSWalnut io (messaging critique): https://www.walnut.io/ Connect with Michael:Website: https://theproductmarketer.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelolson1/ Sharebird: https://sharebird.com/profile/michael-olson Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 54m 43s | ||||||
| 7/22/25 | Influence your sales team like a Zoom PMM | Most PMMs pride themselves on being customer obsessed, but there's another critical audience we often overlook—our own sales teams. If you want your product to win in the market, you have to win over the people taking it to market. Today we're exploring how to move beyond handing off enablement decks to truly influencing how your sales team operates, transforming them from order-takers into strategic partners who genuinely understand your product's value.Sharon Markowitz joins us with experience leading product and partner marketing at Atlassian, LinkedIn, Intuit, and Zoom. Named a top 100 product marketing mentor by ShareBird, Sharon's also founder of Your Career Wings, coaching marketers on upskilling and career development. At Zoom, she encountered a classic challenge during rapid expansion—standard functionalities weren't meeting customer expectations, creating conversion bottlenecks that required innovative solutions beyond traditional PMM approaches.Sharon's breakthrough came when she stepped outside conventional PMM roles, establishing a sales incentive program funded by the marketing budget. By listening to sales reps who wanted simple perks like company swag, she built a program that energized the sales force and propelled deals forward. Her deep engagement wasn't just about meetings or chat channels—it was fostering genuine relationships and maintaining alignment with sales objectives, ultimately driving millions in new customer value.We also dive into Sharon's four-step playbook for sales influence: listen attentively to both external customers and internal teams, embed yourself in sales calls to understand their needs, build initiatives collaboratively with the sales team, and be bold enough to step outside your lane when business demands it. Plus, we explore our messaging critique of Time Left, a B2C app connecting strangers for midweek dinners, and Sharon shares insights on keeping messaging simple while identifying growth opportunities.For those looking to tap into Sharon's expertise further, she is offering personalized coaching with Your Career Wings & a 20% discount with PODCAST20 on your first paid booking of 1:1 Career Coaching Session through August 31, 2025.This is an incredibly insightful conversation with Sharon, and I hope you're inspired to transform your approach and break creative boundaries in your own career.LINKSTime Left (messaging critique): https://timeleft.com/ Connect with Sharon Markowitz on LinkedInConnect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 29m 29s | ||||||
| 7/8/25 | Design for Lifetime Value like a Visa PMM | Most PMMs don't track customer lifetime value, but we absolutely should. When you understand CLV, every trade-off becomes crystal clear—you know exactly where to focus your energy and can shape strategies around what actually retains your best customers. Today we're diving into how Visa built their lifecycle marketing practice from scratch, turning one-and-done transactions into proper repeat engagement.Terry Setiz joins me with 20+ years at Coca-Cola, HBO, Hasbro, and Visa. Here's what surprised me: Visa isn't a credit card company—they're a payment tech powerhouse (obvious, once you think about it!). Terry’s team embraced e-commerce with Visa Checkout, smashed down silos between marketing and IT, and created the genius 'One Hand' campaign featuring NFL stars making touchdowns while checking out simultaneously.Terry's golden advice? Stop treating product launches like tick-box exercises. Think long game, experiment like a mad scientist, and don't be scared to pivot when data tells you to. His approach proves that understanding your market and solid KPIs keep everyone aligned whilst building for both today's wins and tomorrow's growth.For our messaging critique segment of the show, Terry chose Modelo Beer as our subject. He praises their authentic tagline 'Brewed for those with a fighting spirit' for genuinely resonating with working-class audiences who take pride in hard work. However, he warns against generic sponsorships and endless product extensions that could water down their strong brand identity.Terry brings us a masterclass in turning CLV insights into actionable strategy. Consider this your guide to understanding how your customers' true long-term value can transform every strategic decision you make as a PMM.Key Takeaways:CLV clarity transforms every PMM decision because you finally know the actual long-term payoff, not just vanity metrics.Breaking down silos between marketing and IT creates go-to-market magic that addresses real needs whilst making life easier for users.Treat launches as continuous journeys focused on repeat engagement rather than forgettable one-time events.Creative campaigns with relatable stories demolish feature-focused messaging, especially when solving actual pain points.Strategic KPI alignment with executives keeps long-term vision intact whilst smashing immediate growth targets.Terry’s Formula:Customer Lifetime Value = (Average Purchase Value x Purchase Frequency x Customer Lifespan)LINKSModelo Beer: https://www.modelousa.com/ Connect with Terry:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/terry-seitz-57aa654/ Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 56m 27s | ||||||
| 6/24/25 | Pivot market categories like an Ember PMM | Here's the truth about meaningful growth: you either sell more of your current product to more people, or you build something entirely new to attract fresh customers. The second path is where innovation meets strategy, where positioning becomes an art form, and where go-to-market plans can make or break your future. Today's story centers on Ember—yes, those temperature-controlled smart mugs you've seen at Starbucks—but here's the twist: they didn't stay content as a coffee mug company.This episode unpacks exactly how Ember executed their bold leap into an entirely different category, chasing new audiences with completely different products. I'm joined by Daniel Alvarez, who's led product strategy at Ember, Dole, and Jacuzzi, bringing that rare mix of engineering depth and business acumen. Also with us is Connor O'Neill, who's spent over a decade crafting brand stories that genuinely resonate with luxury customers, from Ember to Babylist and Jaguar Land Rover.Daniel and Connor reveal the four critical moves that transformed Ember's market expansion from risky gamble to roaring success. We also dive into our messaging critique segment, dissecting the Oura Ring's complex challenge of translating intricate health insights into relatable, digestible messages for everyday users.The wisdom bomb from our guests? Market expansion isn't just about being different—it's about being meaningful. Remember that even the most cutting-edge innovations must connect through clear, compelling storytelling. Ready to explore new market spaces and dare to innovate beyond the usual boundaries? Let’s go!Key Takeaways:• Consumer insight drives everything - Deep analytics and behaviour understanding form your foundation for connecting with untapped market desires• Leverage proven technology - Innovation doesn't mean starting from scratch; build on what works to create smooth transitions for existing customers whilst attracting new ones• Craft aspirational narratives - Authentic storytelling that speaks to your audience's dreams and lifestyle aspirations is essential for market expansion success• Simplify complex messaging - Even cutting-edge innovations must translate technical benefits into relatable, digestible messages that everyday users can understand and connect with• Be meaningful, not just different - Successful market expansion focuses on addressing real customer needs rather than simply being novel or disruptiveLINKSOura Ring: https://ouraring.com/ Connect with Daniel and Connor:Website: https://revelhorizon.com/ Instagram: @revelhorizon Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 37m 04s | ||||||
| 6/10/25 | Capture Cultural Moments Like a Slack PMM | Ever wondered how product marketers can thrive when everything's constantly changing? This episode explores exactly that with Stephanie Sosa, a product marketing powerhouse who's worked at Slack, Airtable and Credit Karma. We dive into how embracing cultural moments can transform challenges into game-changing opportunities, using Slack's Huddles as the perfect case study. Remember 2020's chaotic shift to remote work? While most were scrambling, Stephanie's team spotted opportunity. Huddles wasn't just a new feature—it captured our collective need for connection in virtual spaces, born from understanding genuine customer needs during massive change.Stephanie shares her practical blueprint for capturing these moments. Spot the signals by watching your customers and market closely, do your homework on competitors and industry shifts, stay present during beta phases to test messaging, and keep everything customer-centric from start to finish. The magic happens when you craft stories, not just launch features. Huddles positioned Slack as the ultimate digital headquarters—a promise about how work could feel meaningful in a virtual age. We also critique Sierra AI's messaging, noting their refreshingly human language but suggesting they need stronger differentiation in the crowded AI space through "show don't tell" interactions.Stephanie has mastered the art of learning from customers and using those insights to guide launches that actually resonate because they're built on real needs. Her approach is a masterclass in timing, adaptation, and creating messaging that connects authentically. The world's ripe with possibilities for product marketers willing to pay attention—keep your ears open, connect genuinely with your audience, and the next big cultural wave might just be your defining moment.Key Takeaways:• Cultural moments create massive opportunities for product marketers who know how to spot and seize them• Success comes from understanding genuine customer needs during times of change, not just following trends• Beta phases are crucial for PMMs to gather insights and test messaging before launch• Effective product marketing tells stories, not just features - position your product within your customer's real-world narrative• Clear, human language beats jargon every time, but differentiation is essential in crowded markets• Customer feedback should shape product development from start to finishLINKSSierra AI: https://sierra.ai/Previous episode mentioned: Find Product-Market Fit Like an OpenAI PMM Connect with Stephanie:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephaniesosa/ Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 58m 53s | ||||||
| 5/27/25 | Find Product-Market Fit Like an OpenAI PMM | Finding product-market fit is like striking gold—when you hit it, your product practically sells itself. But how do you know when you’re onto a winner, or when you might be barking up the wrong tree?I recently chatted with incredible product marketer Pranav Deshpande, whose journey through Twilio, Modern Treasury, and now OpenAI offers a treasure map for this elusive quest. At Twilio, he saw both stunning success and timing missteps. At Modern Treasury, he learned the power of a laser-focused customer profile. Now at OpenAI, he's riding the wave of perfect product-market fit with ChatGPT.In our conversation, we dive into the signals that show you've struck gold: repeatable sales patterns, evolving customer feedback, and the delicate balance between being your product's champion and critic. Plus, we analyze Notion's AI strategy—brilliant in execution but sometimes missing the mark in messaging.Perhaps the most important insight? Product-market fit isn't a destination but a moving target. Markets evolve, competitors emerge from nowhere, and customer needs shift constantly. What fits perfectly today might need serious adjustment tomorrow—making the journey more marathon than sprint.Actionable TakeawaysSchedule regular "reality check" sessions to honestly assess your product-market fitStudy your happiest customers like they're rare specimens—what makes them tick?Know your pivot triggers before you need them—what market signals would make you change course?Remember that even revolutionary products need solid execution—brilliance without follow-through is just a good ideaAccept that finding product-market fit is an ongoing journey of tweaking and refining, not a one-time achievementLINKSNotion: https://www.notion.com/ Connect with Pranav:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pranav808/ Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 45m 16s | ||||||
| 5/13/25 | Shape the product roadmap like a Confluent PMM | Let’s be honest—every product marketing manager dreams of having a hand in shaping the product roadmap. But what’s the secret to actually getting a seat at that roadmap table? It all starts with trust. Today, I’ve got the perfect blueprint for you, thanks to our special guest—Sheryl Li, the brilliant product marketing leader at Confluent. Sheryl isn’t just any PMM. From turning her science fair win into an asteroid named by MIT (yes, seriously!) to spearheading game-changing projects at Twilio and Confluent, her story is incredibly inspiring. Sheryl’s scientific mindset—think curiosity, experimentation, and pattern recognition—has become her superpower in crafting killer product strategies.Drawing from her experiences at both Twilio and Confluent, Sheryl reveals her methodical approach to boosting product adoption through deep customer understanding and cross-functional collaboration. She emphasizes the critical role of trust-building with product partners and the importance of maintaining regular dialogues with product and data science teams, especially in consumption-based pricing models. Through her work with Confluent's cloud connectors, Sheryl demonstrates how combining investigative research with strategic storytelling can drive meaningful product improvements.The episode concludes with an analysis of two fascinating case studies: Apple's Dynamic Island feature marketing and Dust's approach to AI messaging. These examples showcase how different companies, from established tech giants to emerging startups, can craft compelling narratives that resonate with their target audience while maintaining clear differentiation in crowded markets.Key Takeaways:Build trust with product partners through consistent collaboration and shared ownershipMaintain regular check-ins with product and data science teams to monitor adoption metricsUse customer interviews to craft compelling narratives that influence product strategyFollow up with customers to maintain relationships and gather ongoing feedbackTransform technical features into customer-centric stories that drive engagementBalance innovation with clear, focused messaging that cuts through market noiseResources mentioned: Apple Dynamic Island Feature video: https://youtu.be/rFB7uSgFEsYDust AI: https://dust.tt/ Connect with Sheryl:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisheryl/ Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 36m 05s | ||||||
| 4/29/25 | Lead cross-selling like a Gusto PMM | Want to boost your sales without coming across as pushy? The art of cross-selling isn't about bombarding customers with products—it's about striking when the iron is hot. Just ask Leah Brite, Head of Benefits Product Marketing at Gusto and three-time Top 100 Product Marketing Mentor, who's turned this delicate dance into a science.In this conversation, Leah and I explore her winning strategy which lies in the customer readiness score—a game-changing approach that combines data-driven insights with human intuition. Her team identifies key triggers that signal when a business might need additional services, such as reaching specific employee thresholds or experiencing significant growth phases.The proof is in the pudding: Leah's methodical approach, which includes multiple call-to-action options and a 50% holdout strategy for campaign validation, resulted in an impressive 20% lift in new sales opportunities. This success stems from meeting customers exactly where they are in their journey, whether they're ready to buy immediately or just starting to explore their options.I’m so grateful to Leah for sharing her time, knowledge, and warmth with us - her insights are absolutely invaluable for any product marketers seeking inspiration or guidance in the realm of cross-selling.Key Takeaways:• Focus on customer readiness signals rather than pushing products• Use the RICE model to prioritize cross-selling opportunities• Offer multiple engagement options to match different customer needs• Validate campaign effectiveness through controlled testing• Build cross-functional teams for comprehensive strategy developmentTwilio Segment: https://segment.com/ Connect with Leah:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leahbrite Sharebird: https://sharebird.com/profile/leah-brite Connect with Elle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elle3izabeth/ | 42m 01s | ||||||
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