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Licona and Pagels on the Gospel of Thomas
Mar 25, 2026
13m 37s
Who Wrote the Gospels? Michael Licona vs. Bart Ehrman - Part 2
Mar 18, 2026
1h 20m 00s
Who Wrote the Gospels? Michael Licona vs. Bart Ehrman - Part 1
Mar 11, 2026
1h 02m 00s
The Resurrection Standoff: Licona vs. Ehrman on the Unbelievable Podcast
Oct 22, 2025
1h 13m 13s
Do Christians Need to Believe that Jesus was Raised Bodily from the Dead? Licona vs. Patterson
Oct 15, 2025
1h 59m 57s
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| Date | Episode | Topics | Guests | Brands | Places | Keywords | Sponsor | Length | |
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| 3/25/26 | ![]() Licona and Pagels on the Gospel of Thomas✨ | Gospel of Thomasearly church+4 | Dr. Michael LiconaDr. Elaine Pagels | Gospel of ThomasMark+2 | — | Gospel of ThomasDr. Michael Licona+5 | — | 13m 37s | |
| 3/18/26 | ![]() Who Wrote the Gospels? Michael Licona vs. Bart Ehrman - Part 2✨ | authorship of the gospelshistorical analysis+3 | Bart Ehrman | gospels | — | gospel authorshipBart Ehrman+5 | — | 1h 20m 00s | |
| 3/11/26 | ![]() Who Wrote the Gospels? Michael Licona vs. Bart Ehrman - Part 1✨ | authorship of the gospelshistorical analysis+4 | Bart Ehrman | gospels | — | gospel authorshipBart Ehrman+5 | — | 1h 02m 00s | |
| 10/22/25 | ![]() The Resurrection Standoff: Licona vs. Ehrman on the Unbelievable Podcast✨ | resurrectionbiblical evidence+3 | Dr. Bart EhrmanDr. Michael Licona | Unbelievable podcast | — | resurrectionEhrman+5 | — | 1h 13m 13s | |
| 10/15/25 | ![]() Do Christians Need to Believe that Jesus was Raised Bodily from the Dead? Licona vs. Patterson✨ | bodily resurrectionChristian beliefs+3 | Dr. Stephen Patterson | Eden Theological SeminaryMark | — | resurrectionJesus+6 | — | 1h 59m 57s | |
| 10/8/25 | ![]() After the Crucifixion, was Jesus Resurrected or Rescued? Licona vs. Ally✨ | resurrectioncrucifixion+4 | Dr. Michael LiconaDr. Shabir Ally | Islamic Information and Dawah Centre International | University of Tennessee – Chattanooga | Jesusresurrection+8 | — | 2h 02m 15s | |
| 10/1/25 | ![]() The Historical Perspective vs. The Theological Perspective on the Resurrection: Are Both Valid?✨ | resurrectionhistorical perspective+3 | Laura Robinson | Capturing Christianity | — | resurrectionhistorical evidence+3 | — | 2h 04m 09s | |
| 9/24/25 | ![]() Faith Journeys: Similar Road, Different Conclusions - A Licona Ehrman Discussion✨ | faith journeyscrisis of faith+3 | Dr. Michael LiconaDr. Bart Ehrman | — | — | faith journeyscrisis of faith+5 | — | 1h 21m 52s | |
| 9/17/25 | ![]() Since Most People Are Wrong When They Make Supernatural Claims, Why Didn't God Do Better?✨ | supernatural claimshistorical evidence+4 | Dr. Matthew McCormick | California State University, Sacramento | — | supernaturalhistorical evidence+5 | — | 1h 45m 42s | |
| 9/10/25 | ![]() The Historical Reliability of the Gospels: Licona vs. Ehrman - Part 2✨ | historical reliabilitygospels+4 | Dr. Michael LiconaDr. Bart Ehrman | Kennesaw State University | — | historical reliabilitygospels+5 | — | 1h 29m 28s | |
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| 9/3/25 | ![]() The Historical Reliability of the Gospels: Licona vs. Ehrman - Part 1 | In this episode, frequent debate opponents Dr. Michael Licona and Dr. Bart Ehrman face off on the historical reliability of the gospels. Held in 2018 at Kennesaw State University, Dr. Licona begins by defining historical reliability as related to the gospels, stating that the gospels, ancient biographies, got things right when focusing on the larger biographical narrative of Jesus. The specifics of the various stories may differ between books, but that is due to the literary conventions of the genre at that time. Licona then lists six criteria for historical reliability, including:the author’s intent to be accurate,a good choice of sources,a good use of sources,the author and sources being capable of accurate reporting,numerous details being verifiablea small percentage of more information being known to be false.Dr. Ehrman’s contention is summed up in his claim that he doesn’t think the gospels are accurate in many of the things they state regarding Jesus. He then focuses on examples that he concludes are contradictions and mistakes in the gospels' birth, ministry, and death and resurrection narratives. | 1h 04m 38s | ||||||
| 8/27/25 | ![]() Mike Takes on World Ranked Debator on the Topic of Jesus' Resurrection from the Dead | Dr. Shane Pucket was ranked the 32nd best debater in the world in 2012. That year, he faced off against Dr. Michael Licona at Monroe Baptist Church in Louisianna on whether Jesus rose from the dead. Licona argued the affirmative case using the historical method to examine facts derived from the writings of Paul, especially 1 Corinthians 15:3-8. Dr. Pucket’s negative case centered on the gospels, the unreliability of oral tradition, upon which the gospels are based, and the existence of other Jesus-like figures in the world with similar life details such as virgin birth and rising from the dead. In the back and forth after the scholars presented their original cases, Dr. Licona pointed out the red-herring nature of Pucket’s use of the gospels and took his claims regarding oral tradition and other Jesus-like figures head-on. As the debate continued, it appeared that underlying Pucket’s objections to the historicity of the resurrection were philosophical commitments that miracles cannot happen and that theology is the realm of the supernatural and, therefore, cannot be studied by disciplines like history, mathematics, and science which deal with the physical world. | 1h 47m 43s | ||||||
| 8/20/25 | ![]() Fighting on Different Hills: Licona and Ally on the Resurrection of Jesus - Part 2 | In 2004, Islamic scholar Dr. Shabir Ally and Dr. Mike Licona met at Regent University to debate the physical resurrection of Jesus. Both cases, a lively Q&A between the scholars and an audience Q&A make up this week’s episode. Dr. Licona presents a positive case for Jesus’ resurrection based on three nearly universally agreed-upon facts about Jesus’ death and resurrection taken from the earliest historical sources. Dr. Ally presents the negative, citing Muslim beliefs about God’s forgiveness and the testimony of the Quran on Jesus’ crucifixion, as well as varying gospel testimony, which he believes changed over time to support the idea that Jesus died on the cross and was later bodily raised. Ally claims that, like Mel Gibson, the producer of the movie The Last Temptation of Christ, the gospel writers looked at what they thought the Old Testament writings said would happen to Jesus and then wrote what they thought should have occurred based upon this. Licona, conceding gospel difficulties for the sake of the discussion only, returns to his earlier evidence, which Ally fails to address. Dr. Licona remarks that they are fighting on two different hills and tensions rise over the presentation of source evidence. | 1h 21m 27s | ||||||
| 8/13/25 | ![]() Fighting on Different Hills: Licona and Ally on the Resurrection of Jesus - Part 1 | In 2004, Islamic scholar Dr. Shabir Ally and Dr. Mike Licona met at Regent University to debate the physical resurrection of Jesus. Both cases, a lively Q&A between the scholars and an audience Q&A make up this week’s episode. Dr. Licona presents a positive case for Jesus’ resurrection based on three nearly universally agreed-upon facts about Jesus’ death and resurrection taken from the earliest historical sources. Dr. Ally presents the negative, citing Muslim beliefs about God’s forgiveness and the testimony of the Quran on Jesus’ crucifixion, as well as varying gospel testimony, which he believes changed over time to support the idea that Jesus died on the cross and was later bodily raised. Ally claims that, like Mel Gibson, the producer of the movie The Last Temptation of Christ, the gospel writers looked at what they thought the Old Testament writings said would happen to Jesus and then wrote what they thought should have occurred based upon this. Licona, conceding gospel difficulties for the sake of the discussion only, returns to his earlier evidence, which Ally fails to address. Dr. Licona remarks that they are fighting on two different hills and tensions rise over the presentation of source evidence. | 1h 16m 42s | ||||||
| 8/6/25 | ![]() Did Man Create God? Licona vs Yothment | This episode is a 2006 debate between Dr. Michael Licona and Steve Yothment, the president of the Atlanta Freethought Society, on whether man created God. Yothment takes the positive side. He proposes that ancient gods like Thor are myths and that every religion claims their gods to be the real ones and the others false. This then clearly means some of these gods, if not all, have been invented by humans. He also focuses on Christianity, disputing the Bible as the infallible word of God. Citing scientific evidence that appears to contradict Genesis' report of the age of man and the fact that humans suffer despite Scripture's numerous claims that God protects and provides for his people, Yothment concludes that the Bible is the word of man and that God it conveys is a creation of its writers. Dr. Licona argues the opposite based on the contention that there is good evidence for the existence of God, both scientific and historical and that his opponent's arguments are invalid and easily refuted. | 1h 24m 35s | ||||||
| 7/30/25 | ![]() What Do Statistical Mechanics Have to Say About Jesus' Bodily Resurrection? Licona vs. Cavin - Part 2 | The following episode is a debate from 2012 at Antioch Church in Temecula, California, between Dr. Licona and philosophy professor Dr. R. Greg Cavin on whether Jesus rose from the dead. Licona presents a historical case for the bodily resurrection of Jesus based on a set of almost universally agreed-upon facts and the methodology by which historians determine which explanation for an event is the most likely. Dr. Cavin finds Licona's arguments weak and contends that the Resurrection hypothesis fails to provide the explanatory scope, explanatory power, avoidance of ad hoc, and plausibility necessary to be the best hypothesis for the events reported to have occurred surrounding Jesus' death. Dr. Licona's response is to refute all these points directly. The back and forth continues as Cavin calls Dr. Licona's hypothesis "indefinite" and states that it fails to explain what the risen Jesus is, atoms or something else, and how he could be seen, touched, and heard as the gospels report. He later invokes statistical mechanics and the Postulate of Equal A Priori Probabilities to further his argument. | 1h 16m 41s | ||||||
| 7/23/25 | ![]() What Do Statistical Mechanics Have to Say About Jesus' Bodily Resurrection? Licona vs. Cavin - Part 1 | The following episode is a debate from 2012 at Antioch Church in Temecula, California, between Dr. Licona and philosophy professor Dr. R. Greg Cavin on whether Jesus rose from the dead. Licona presents a historical case for the bodily resurrection of Jesus based on a set of almost universally agreed-upon facts and the methodology by which historians determine which explanation for an event is the most likely. Dr. Cavin finds Licona's arguments weak and contends that the Resurrection hypothesis fails to provide the explanatory scope, explanatory power, avoidance of ad hoc, and plausibility necessary to be the best hypothesis for the events reported to have occurred surrounding Jesus' death. Dr. Licona's response is to refute all these points directly. The back and forth continues as Cavin calls Dr. Licona's hypothesis "indefinite" and states that it fails to explain what the risen Jesus is, atoms or something else, and how he could be seen, touched, and heard as the gospels report. He later invokes statistical mechanics and the Postulate of Equal A Priori Probabilities to further his argument. | 1h 24m 19s | ||||||
| 7/16/25 | ![]() An Ex-Christian Disputes Jesus' Physical Resurrection: Licona vs. Barker - Part 2 | In this episode , we have Dr. Mike Licona's first-ever debate. In 2003, Licona sparred with Dan Barker at the University of Wisonsin-Madison. Once a Christian evangelist and missionary, Barker declares that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and then asserts that there is not even ordinary evidence for the bodily resurrection. The former believer claims there was no eyewitness testimony to the resurrection or any 1st-century corroboration. Furthermore, Peter's testimony can't be trusted because he was a liar, and the gospels were written anonymously and, therefore, cannot be verified. Instead, Barker states that the disciples believed the resurrection was spiritual, and the belief that it was physical resulted from a pattern of legendary growth in the New Testament writings. Licona refutes these claims and provides his positive case for the historicity of the bodily resurrection based on a minimal facts argument drawn from the work of resurrection expert Dr. Gary Habermas. | 58m 49s | ||||||
| 7/9/25 | ![]() An Ex-Christian Disputes Jesus' Physical Resurrection: Licona vs. Barker - Part 1 | In this episode, we have Dr. Mike Licona's first-ever debate. In 2003, Licona sparred with Dan Barker at the University of Wisonsin-Madison. Once a Christian evangelist and missionary, Barker declares that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and then asserts that there is not even ordinary evidence for the bodily resurrection. The former believer claims there was no eyewitness testimony to the resurrection or any 1st-century corroboration. Furthermore, Peter's testimony can't be trusted because he was a liar, and the gospels were written anonymously and, therefore, cannot be verified. Instead, Barker states that the disciples believed the resurrection was spiritual, and the belief that it was physical resulted from a pattern of legendary growth in the New Testament writings. Licona refutes these claims and provides his positive case for the historicity of the bodily resurrection based on a minimal facts argument drawn from the work of resurrection expert Dr. Gary Habermas. | 1h 36m 19s | ||||||
| 7/2/25 | ![]() The Resurrection: A Matter of History or Faith? Licona and Pagels on the Ron Isana Show | In this episode, we have a 2005 appearance of Dr. Mike Licona on the Ron Isana Show, where he defends the historicity of the bodily resurrection of Jesus against Princeton professor Dr. Elaine Pagels' contention that not all early Christians believed Jesus was physically raised from the dead. Stating that spiritual experiences can be real, Pagels asserts that the gospels contain different versions of Jesus' appearances. It wasn't until the late 2nd century AD that the idea of a physical resurrection became the dominant understanding. A self-proclaimed Christian, Pagels agrees that all Christians believed that the resurrection was important, but they had different ideas about what was meant by resurrection. Along witht he dialogue between the two scholars, the show host and viewers weight in with their thoughts. | 34m 09s | ||||||
| 6/25/25 | ![]() Bodily Resurrection vs Consensual Realities: A Licona Craffert Debate | In today’s episode, Dr. Mike Licona debates Dr. Pieter Craffert at the University of Johannesburg. While Dr. Licona provides a positive case for the bodily resurrection of Jesus based on facts and historical method, Dr. Craffert proposes that the reports of the risen Jesus recorded in the New Testament are best explained as experiences of altered states of consciousness by those who claimed to see, touch, speak, and eat with the Messiah. Craffert calls this a case of consensual reality, meaning that these experiences were “real” for those involved, but a physical Jesus did not exist in them. Instead, cultural acceptance of such visions and the previous knowledge, emotions, and beliefs about the resurrection of those reporting these experiences led to their conclusion that they were real. The episode wraps with Dr. Licona challenging Craffert’s theory. | 1h 09m 21s | ||||||
| 6/18/25 | ![]() Licona vs. Fales: A Debate in 4 Parts – Part Four: Licona Responds and Q&A | Today is the final episode in our four-part series covering the 2014 debate between Dr. Michael Licona and Dr. Evan Fales. In this hour-long episode, Licona spends 15 minutes responding to Fales's presentation from part three, addressing the claims that miracles are metaphysically impossible and arguing that Hume’s criteria for miracle testimony are too strict. Following this segment, the two professors spend 45 minutes answering audience questions. | 1h 07m 10s | ||||||
| 6/11/25 | ![]() Licona vs. Fales: A Debate in 4 Parts – Part Three: The Meaning of Miracle Stories | In this episode, we hear from Dr. Evan Fales as he presents his case against the historicity of Jesus’ resurrection and responds to Dr. Licona’s writings. This is the third segment of the four-part debate between the two scholars at the University of St. Thomas in 2014. Dr. Fales does not take the miracle stories of Jesus as historical events; instead, he contends they are figurative and can be understood using the anthropology of religion. Fales claims these stories were written to provide solutions to the existential crises confronting the world of the Roman Empire and gives examples through his interpretations of the stories of Barabbas’ release and Jesus' three days in the grave. | 1h 02m 48s | ||||||
| 6/4/25 | ![]() Licona vs. Fales: A Debate in 4 Parts – Part Two: Did Jesus Rise from the Dead? | The following episode is part two of the debate between atheist philosopher Dr. Evan Fales and Dr. Mike Licona in 2014 at the University of St. Thoman in St. Paul, Minnesota. In the first 30 minutes, Dr. Licona provides his positive case for the resurrection and then evaluates it alongside Dr. Fales’ hypothesis that Jesus did not rise from the dead but instead, the stories of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus recorded in the gospels are myths designed by the authors to provide both the Romans and Jews with solutions to their political problems. He finishes the session with a 30-minute audience Q&A. | 1h 04m 16s | ||||||
| 5/28/25 | ![]() Licona vs. Fales: A Debate in 4 Parts – Part One: Can Historians Investigate Miracle Claims? | In this episode, we join a 2014 debate between Dr. Mike Licona and atheist philosopher Dr. Evan Fales on whether Jesus rose from the dead. In this first segment of the four-part debate, Dr. Licona answers the question, “Can historians investigate miracle claims?” He gives a resounding “yes” as he defines miracles, discusses how to identify them, provides examples, and addresses objections to miracles. After delivering an approximately 30-minute presentation, Dr. Licona finishes this session by taking audience questions. | 1h 02m 28s | ||||||
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