85. The Hands of Forgiveness

85. The Hands of Forgiveness

From Sideways by BBC Radio 4

March 25, 2026 · 30 min

About this episode

The episode explores the journey of forgiveness following a tragic school shooting in an Amish community, focusing on the experiences of Marie Monville, the gunman's wife.

Almost twenty years ago, an armed man stormed a small Amish school in Pennsylvania. It was a horrific attack in which he shot at ten girls. He then turned the gun on himself. The attack claimed the lives of five young girls and severely injured five others, including one who remained profoundly disabled for the rest of her life, and died at the age of just 23. Within hours, the affected Amish community took the most extraordinary steps to extend compassion to the family of the gunman. And it set off a life-altering process for Marie, his wife. Matthew Syed follows Marie’s inconceivable journey navigating the complexities of forgiveness. He delves into Amish theology to understand how forgiving is a frequently misunderstood discipline, embedded in the collective identity of the Amish community, and considers how their approach to forgiveness challenges conventional wisdom. Matthew also hears from one of the foundational figures in forgiveness science on the tangled journey of forgiving oneself. This is something Marie found herself grappling with after going through a process of forgiving her husband for things she would never fully understand. It prompts Matthew to reflect on the…

People in this episode

Host: Matthew Syed

Guest: Marie Monville

Topics covered

  • forgiveness
  • Amish community
  • tragedy
  • compassion
  • personal journey
  • theology
  • mental health

Keywords

  • forgiveness
  • Amish
  • tragedy
  • compassion
  • Marie Monville
  • Matthew Syed
  • Steven Nolt
  • mental health
  • theology
  • personal journey

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Amish

Books & works: One Light Still Shines: My Life Beyond the Shadow of the Amish Schoolhouse Shooting

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