Species Unite

"India is extraordinary in the sense that we already see a lot of sort of cultural reverence for species and some inherent tolerance in society. And just adding a little bit of knowledge to that means they know that it is not an intentional act on the part of the animal to come and destroy you. A lot of the injuries and deaths are purely accidental. And once that little bit of understanding adds on… these people already care. It's not like they don't care for wildlife." – Dr. Krithi Karanth Imagine living in a place where elephants can destroy your family's crops overnight, where leopards sometimes kill your livestock, and where an encounter with a wild animal can mean the difference between life and death. Now imagine being asked to help protect those same animals. This is the reality for millions of people living alongside wildlife in India. And it's the challenge that Krithi Karanth has spent much of her life trying to solve. Krithi is the CEO of the Centre for Wildlife Studies in India and was recently named National Geographic's Explorer of the Year. What makes Krithi's work so impactful is that she knows that if we want to save wild animals, we have to find ways for people to live alongside them. Which is exactly what she is doing, on an extraordinary scale. https://cwsindia.org/

"Everything is a story. Every belief that we have, every entity or institution is a story that we've told ourselves and each other. And so really identifying ways on how companies that have grown to be so large and successful, how they have taken storytelling and been able to apply it to building out their awareness, consideration and lead generation and conversions, ultimately to have lifetime value of their customers. We're not necessarily selling a product by any means, but we are giving people an opportunity to, what I feel is, be given the same gift I felt like I was given, which was an awareness and a set of values around aligning how I show up in the world and aligning them to the values that I have on a day to day basis." – Arash Yomtobian Most people don't change the way they eat overnight. It usually starts with something small. They see something they can't quite forget. They start wondering where their food comes from. They switch the milk in their coffee, eat a little less meat, or learn something about factory farming that makes it hard to look at dinner in quite the same way again. Arash Yomtobian believes those moments matter. He is the CEO of Mercy for Animals, and after years of working in technology, he thinks a lot about how we reach people, not just the people who already agree with us, but everyone else. Because if we want to change a food system that causes suffering on an almost unimaginable scale, we need a movement big enough to change it. And that means meeting people where they are, telling better stories and moving beyond the idea that you have to be all in before you're welcome. In this conversation. Arash and I talk about what it actually takes to change people and systems. https://mercyforanimals.org/

"We do own and operate aircraft, but we also put a lot of energy into telling the story and that's really important because that's what's going to provide transformation in this space, because people will hear about what we do think it's a cool mission. We inspire people. They'll think twice about buying an animal. They'll open up their homes and hearts to foster. And that's really what we are. We're change agents. We're creating transformation for alternatives to euthanizing animals." – Michael Schneider Every year in the United States, nearly a million dogs and cats are euthanized, and many of them could be saved but aren't because they're in the wrong place. Shelters in some parts of the country are overflowing, while others have families waiting to adopt. Sometimes the difference between life and death is simply getting an animal from one place to another. That's where Michael Schneider comes in. Michael is the founder and CEO of Pilots to the Rescue, a nonprofit that combines pilots, specially equipped aircraft and ground transport to move animals from overcrowded shelters, disaster zones and emergency situations to places where they have a second chance. Since launching the organization in 2015, they have transported more than 7000 animals, built a network of more than 1000 volunteer pilots, and expanded their work beyond dogs and cats to include endangered wolves, sea turtles, disaster response and even the occasional federally protected rescue mission. Michael shares what he's learned after a decade of witnessing the shelter crisis firsthand and explains why storytelling saves more lives than any single flight. https://www.pilotstotherescue.org/

"You look at these animals, and they're just so far removed from the life that I want them to have, that they should have that, we would hope that wild animals have. And they're just humiliated and degraded and they're so utterly powerless." - Nina Jackel Today, we're taking you inside one of the darkest corners of the animal tourism industry — places where wild animals are stolen, broken, and paraded for human amusement. Nina Jackel, founder of Lady Freethinker, an organization exposing and ending animal cruelty worldwide, and Blake Moynes, wildlife conservationist and founder of The Save Our Species Alliance, who recently went undercover in Thailand to document the hidden realities behind elephant rides, tiger selfies, and orangutan "shows." What they found is heartbreaking — and it's happening far more often than most of us realize. Together, they're shining a light on the cruelty behind "cute" tourist attractions and building a movement to change what people see — and share — online. Links: https://ladyfreethinker.org/ https://thesosa.com/

"Because we're kind of lowering the stakes. We're saying it's okay to admit to yourself that you care about factory farming and you care about animals because we're not going to try and trick you into going vegan or whatever. And so it allows them to engage with the issue, maybe for the first time in a really serious way. I think what we want to do is, just try and make it easier for more people to really engage with their values, and be an invitation to people to say, I know you care about this. I know when you see factory farming on you know, those annoying ads on your Instagram that show you what's going on, that you feel sad and you feel horrible about it. Let us help you do something about that in a way that fits your life and fits your lifestyle." – Thom Norman Most of us agree that factory farming is one of the greatest sources of suffering on Earth. We hate it. We don't want to support it. And yet — it persists. Today's guest, Thom Norman, is trying to change that. He's the co-founder of FarmKind, an organization that's asking a radical question: What if we stopped making compassion so hard? Instead of telling people what not to eat, FarmKind is inviting everyone to help dismantle factory farming — not by guilt or purity tests, but through collective action. With their Compassion Calculator, just $23 a month has massive impact for animals. It's simple, inclusive, and it's working. In this conversation, Thom and I talk about how factory farming got so bad, why lifestyle change alone isn't enough, and how shifting from shame to solidarity could open the biggest door yet — for animals, for people, and for real change. Tom and his cofounder Aidan Alexander were on the show a year ago shortly after farm kind launched. A lot has happened in a year.

"Maybe when we started doing this with animals, researching on them and studying them for human benefit hundreds of years ago, we didn't know about their sentience. We didn't know that they had emotions and feelings and felt pain. And we know all that now. We can't ignore that." – Melanie Kaplan When journalist Melanie Kaplan agreed to foster a beagle named Hammy, she knew he'd just been released from a research lab. What she didn't know was how profoundly his story — and the world he came from — would change her own. In her new book, Lab Dog: A Beagle and His Human Investigate the Surprising World of Animal Research, Melanie takes readers deep inside the hidden world of animal testing — one that quietly breeds and experiments on tens of thousands of dogs each year, mostly beagles, chosen for their size and gentle nature. Through her journey with Hammy, she unravels how these animals end up in labs, what happens to them there, and what it takes to help them heal once they're free. Our conversation explores the long and often secretive history of animal testing in the U.S., the shocking revelations behind the Envigo case — where 4,000 beagles were rescued from a breeding facility in Virginia — and the growing movement toward humane, non-animal alternatives. Links: Melanie Kaplan: https://melaniedgkaplan.com/index.html Lab Dog: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/melanie-d-g-kaplan/lab-dog/9781541604988/

"You know, you walk through a forest. Every leaf on every tree is unique. And that's what biology does. We are all unique, right? Everything about us that biology does, it's so magical. It's so special. And we now have the ability to harness biology in the way that nature does." – Suzanne Lee Suzanne Lee is the founder of Biofabricate and for more than two decades she's been uniting scientists, designers, artists, and dreamers to prove that biology isn't just inspiration — it's the next frontier of design. She's leading a movement to replace plastics, leather, and petrochemicals with materials born from life itself — brewed, cultivated, and created in harmony with nature. I just spent a few days in London at Biofabricate's Biofab Fair, a celebration of biology-based technologies and the innovators behind them. These weren't the usual alternatives to leather or plastic. Imagine a world where textiles aren't manufactured from fossil fuels, animal skins, or even plants — but grown from microbes, mycelium, algae, and engineered proteins. There were fabrics brewed in vats, colors grown by living microbes, perfumes made with the DNA of extinct flowers, and leather-like sheets made from banana waste and mycelium. Each innovation not only reimagines what we wear and use, but also reshapes how we think about design, beauty, and even culture. After the fair, Suzanne and I sat down to debrief — to talk about how far this movement has come, what's next for biofabrication, and how growing the materials of the future might just change everything. Links: Biofab Fair Website https://www.biofab.world/ Biofabricate Website https://www.biofabricate.co/ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/biofabricate/ Materials and brands mentioned in episode: Ephea https://ephea.bio/ Polybion https://www.polybion.bio/ Uncaged Innovations: https://uncagedinnovations.com/ Spyber: https://spiber.inc/en Holon Bionics https://holonbionics.com/ Banofee https://www.banofileather.com/ AB In Bev https://www.ab-inbev.com/ MM Limited https://www.mm-greentech.com/aboutus