Swimming with Allocators

This week on Swimming with Allocators, Kate Simpson joins Earnest and Alexa to share her journey from starting as a history major at the UNC endowment to leading the venture strategy at multi-asset OCIO firm GEM. She explains how she learned institutional investing, specialized in private markets, and refined her craft at Parish Capital and Truebridge, including fund-of-funds due diligence, reference work, and the power of platforms and networks. The conversation dives into how to build a venture program from scratch, why alignment, patience, and resource intensity matter, and how GEM uses a barbell approach across top-tier scaled platforms and emerging managers while avoiding the “crowded middle.” Kate breaks down how LPs evaluate managers (source, pick, win), why fund math and ownership are critical, and how today’s AI-driven cycle, secondary markets, and companies staying private longer are reshaping ventures. Also, don’t miss Nick Cassin from Sidley as he explains the rapid growth of the private-fund secondary market, what’s driving the surge in secondary and continuation vehicle (CV) transactions, and how new types of capital providers are stepping in as lead investors to provide liquidity to private-market participants. Highlights from this week’s conversation include: Starting at UNC Endowment With No Finance Background (0:31) Transitioning from TrueBridge to Gem and Taking on a Leadership Role (6:10) Advice for Building a New Venture Program and Aligning Stakeholders (10:12) Democratization of Venture Access and Barbell Strategy for Manager Selection (12:38) Sourcing and Evaluating New Venture Managers with a High-Volume Funnel (16:26) Secondaries Market Boom and Macro Dynamics Driving Liquidity Needs (21:00) Rise of Continuation Vehicles and Structural Evolution of Secondaries (23:36) How to Approach a First LP Meeting and Importance of Fund Math (26:03) Defining Early Versus Later Stages and Gem's Seed and Micro Fund Threshold (28:13) Normalization of Secondary Liquidity for Founders and Early Investors (35:24) Future Opportunities in Smaller Funds and the Dynamic Early Ecosystem (36:12) Final Thoughts and Takeaways (40:12) GEM is an independent investment management firm that provides customized solutions for long-term investors worldwide. Since 2007, we have sought to deliver superior risk-adjusted returns to our clients by combining disciplined investment research and active portfolio management with exceptional service and enduring partnership. With a global platform, broad institutional investment capabilities, and an experienced team, we design portfolios to meet the unique needs of each investor we serve. For more information, visit www.geminvestments.com. Sidley Austin LLP is a premier global law firm with a dedicated Venture Funds practice, advising top venture capital firms, institutional investors, and private equity sponsors on fund formation, investment structuring, and regulatory compliance. With deep expertise across private markets, Sidley provides strategic legal counsel to help funds scale effectively. Learn more at sidley.com. Swimming with Allocators is a podcast that dives into the intriguing world of Venture Capital from an LP (Limited Partner) perspective. Hosts Alexa Binns and Earnest Sweat are seasoned professionals who have donned various hats in the VC ecosystem. Each episode, we explore where the future opportunities lie in the VC landscape with insights from top LPs on their investment strategies and industry experts shedding light on emerging trends and technologies. The information provided on this podcast does not, and is not intended to, constitute legal advice; instead, all information, content, and materials available on this podcast are for general informational purposes only. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on Swimming with Allocators, Earnest wraps up the “Best of” moments of the year for the podcast. These moments feature insightful conversations with leading voices in venture capital and fund management. Topics include the challenges LPs face in today’s market, strategies for selecting and supporting emerging fund managers, evolving industry trends in fintech, crypto, and AI, and the critical importance of transparency, humility, and strong client relationships. Key takeaways highlight the necessity for a compelling thesis, expert communication, and adaptability in a hyper-competitive market, providing actionable lessons for both established players and new entrants in the venture ecosystem. Don’t miss the top moments from the show this year! Highlights from this week’s conversation include: Season Highlights and the Best Of Countdown (0:34) Reflections on Venture Capital Lessons and Year-End Energy (3:45) Laura Thompson and Her Impact on LP Transparency (7:37) Challenges of Fund Underwriting and the Importance of Reference Work (11:21) Trends in Fintech, AI, Crypto, and Their Effect on Manager Selection (15:12) How to Approach Reserves and Portfolio Construction (18:55) The Difficulties and Opportunities for Emerging Managers Today (22:41) Capital Formation Insights With Guest Megan Reynolds (26:25) Why Client Experience Is as Important as Fund Performance (30:10) Industry Institutionalization, Reporting, and Relationship Trends (33:57) The Evolving Retail LP Market and the Future of Venture Access (37:41) What Makes Great Emerging Managers and Fund Builders Stand Out (41:25) Lessons Learned, Teamwork in Investing, and Season Wrap-Up (45:12) Swimming with Allocators is a podcast that dives into the intriguing world of Venture Capital from an LP (Limited Partner) perspective. Hosts Alexa Binns and Earnest Sweat are seasoned professionals who have donned various hats in the VC ecosystem. Each episode, we explore where the future opportunities lie in the VC landscape with insights from top LPs on their investment strategies and industry experts shedding light on emerging trends and technologies. The information provided on this podcast does not, and is not intended to, constitute legal advice; instead, all information, content, and materials available on this podcast are for general informational purposes only. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on Swimming with Allocators, Elizabeth Egan of TIFF Investment Management shares her journey through the investment industry, offering insights from her experiences as both an LP and GP, and highlighting the valuable lessons learned from her time in the consumer sector. The conversation also explores TIFF’s focused approach to private markets, why brand and network effects matter in venture investing, and the necessity of diligence and unique perspectives to identify emerging managers in a competitive landscape. Key takeaways include the importance of building long-term relationships, the critical role of GP talent density, and how LPs can generate strong returns by backing early-stage, specialist managers. Also, don’t miss our insider segment as Shane Goudey of Sidley discusses how fund managers are increasingly engaging with the secondary market and adopting creative structures like continuation funds and preferred equity to provide liquidity options and manage complex relationships with limited partners. Highlights from this week’s conversation include: Welcome, Introductions, and Elizabeth’s Career Journey (0:42) Benefits of Early LP Experience and Investment Perspective Shift (3:07) The Importance of Evaluating Deals with the "Sniff Test" (4:43) How Consumer Packaged Goods Experience Informs Investing (6:39) The Role of AI in Venture Capital and the Importance of Judgment (8:37) Human-Centric Strategies and Network Effects in Venture Capital (10:19) Defining Success at TIFF and Generating High Returns (14:07) Discussion of Venture and Private Equity Liquidity Strategies (18:12) The Negotiation Layers in SPV and Fund Structures (23:35) Rationale Behind TIFF’s Focus on Specific Market Segments (26:19) How TIFF Selects and Builds Relationships With Early Managers (28:43) Communicating Early Investment Focus to Clients (31:10) Growing With Managers Through Direct and Fund Investments (32:55) Seeking Long-Term Vision in Fund Managers, Not Just Investors (35:09) The Future of Venture: GP Talent Density and Market Trends (37:59) The Importance of Finding Breakout GPs and Parting Thoughts (41:02) TIFF Investment Management TIFF is an OCIO (Outsourced Chief Investment Office) founded by the Rockefeller and MacArthur Foundations to serve the nonprofit community. TIFF manages approximately $10 billion in assets as of September 30, 2025, including roughly $3.0 billion overseen by the private markets team across venture capital, private equity, and direct equity strategies. Learn more at https://www.tiff.org. Sidley Austin LLP is a premier global law firm with a dedicated Venture Funds practice, advising top venture capital firms, institutional investors, and private equity sponsors on fund formation, investment structuring, and regulatory compliance. With deep expertise across private markets, Sidley provides strategic legal counsel to help funds scale effectively. Learn more at sidley.com. The information provided on this podcast does not, and is not intended to, constitute legal advice; instead, all information, content, and materials available on this podcast are for general informational purposes only. Elizabeth Egan is a Director at TIFF Investment Management. The views expressed on this podcast are her own and are for informational purposes only. They should not be construed as investment advice, a recommendation to buy or sell any security, or an offer to provide investment advisory services. Any examples or discussions are intended for general educational purposes and should not be relied upon for making investment decisions. Past performance is not indicative of future results. Investments in private funds involve a high degree of risk, including the potential loss of principal. TIFF does not endorse, sponsor, or approve any advertisements that may appear during this podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on Swimming with Allocators, Jay Rongjie Wang, Founder and CEO of Primitiva Global, shares her journey from her pioneering upbringing shaped by her mother’s tech entrepreneurship to becoming a leading venture investor bridging Silicon Valley, Hong Kong, and Shanghai. Jay discusses the importance of authenticity and “congruence” in investment decisions, her “impossible triangle” theory for evaluating AI opportunities, and cross-border fundraising strategies. Listeners will gain actionable insight into aligning personal strengths with business practices, understanding global LP/GP dynamics, and balancing boundless curiosity with focused execution in the rapidly evolving world of tech and venture capital. Also, don’t miss our insider segment as Idan Netser and Jason Kropp from Sidley discuss key tax incentives for venture funds, including carried interest treatment and Qualified Small Business Stock benefits, as well as recent FDA regulatory changes impacting biotech and medtech startups, offering timely guidance for VC investors and founders. Highlights from this week’s conversation include: Welcoming Jay to the Episode (0:22) Impact of Parenting on Risk, Creativity, and Early Career Choices (5:24) Lessons Learned from Running Community Website: Career Preparation (7:17) Discussion of Gender Dynamics, Over-Preparation, and Confidence (10:00) Traits for Successful Fund Managers: Concept of Congruence (11:38) Practical Framework for Identifying "Winner Energy" and Reference Checks (17:55) Consistency in Feedback About GPs (21:46) Regulatory Topics: Carried Interest, Tax, and FDA Insights (23:54) Energy Management, Executive Capacity, and Inner Focus (28:48) Impossible Triangle Theory on AI Progress and Investment Filtering (30:27) Applying the Theory: GPU and Data Center Investments (36:06) Fundraising Successes Outside the US and Motivations of International LPs (39:09) Balancing Curiosity with Focus for Investors (41:20) Personal Advice on Career Methodology and Venn Diagram Specialization (44:24) Final Thoughts and Takeaways (45:15) Primitiva Global is a family office and investment platform operating across Silicon Valley and Hong Kong. Primitiva backs first-check venture managers and invests in companies expanding the frontiers of artificial intelligence, deep technology, and global innovation. The firm combines deep research, top-down analysis, and hands-on partnership to support the next generation of builders and allocators. Learn more at www.primitivaglobal.com Sidley Austin LLP is a premier global law firm with a dedicated Venture Funds practice, advising top venture capital firms, institutional investors, and private equity sponsors on fund formation, investment structuring, and regulatory compliance. With deep expertise across private markets, Sidley provides strategic legal counsel to help funds scale effectively. Learn more at sidley.com. Swimming with Allocators is a podcast that dives into the intriguing world of Venture Capital from an LP (Limited Partner) perspective. Hosts Alexa Binns and Earnest Sweat are seasoned professionals who have donned various hats in the VC ecosystem. Each episode, we explore where the future opportunities lie in the VC landscape with insights from top LPs on their investment strategies and industry experts shedding light on emerging trends and technologies. The information provided on this podcast does not, and is not intended to, constitute legal advice; instead, all information, content, and materials available on this podcast are for general informational purposes only. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on Swimming with Allocators, Vivek Jindal, CIO at Caprock, shares his journey from risk manager to leading allocator, offering valuable insights into building all-weather, customized portfolios for ultra-high-net-worth families. The conversation covers the evolution of venture investing, the art and science of risk management, the growing role of secondary markets, manager selection, and the importance of diversification and due diligence. Listeners will gain key takeaways on how to compound capital over decades, adapt to market changes, and identify fund managers’ unique superpowers for long-term success. Also, don’t miss our insider segment as Shane Goudey highlights Sidley’s expansive, practical expertise in representing venture firms and emerging companies, emphasizing the firm’s holistic, relationship-driven approach and ability to offer clients sophisticated legal and strategic support across the entire investment and startup ecosystem. Highlights from this week’s conversation include: Welcoming Vivek Jindal to the Show (0:22) Lessons from Starting on the Risk Side and the Global Financial Crisis (1:44) Approaching Risk in Venture & Asset Allocation (5:30) Evolution of Portfolio Construction and Blurring Asset Class Lines (10:01) Strategies for Identifying Manager “Superpowers” (10:38) Caprock’s Venture Investing Approach and Its Evolution (13:42) Sectors Out of Favor and Long-term Perspective (16:36) Selecting and Accessing Fund Managers (18:36) Word of Mouth, Networking, and New Venture Managers (19:06) Discussion with Sponsor Sidley’s Shane Goudey (21:52) Ideal Client Profiles for Caprock (27:06) Why Alternatives—and Why Venture? (29:21) Opportunities in the Secondary Market (31:45) Trends to Watch in Venture and Growth Equity (35:22) What Makes a Good Fund Manager and Reference Checking (38:36) Final Thoughts and Takeaways (41:52) Caprock is a leading multifamily office providing independent, fiduciary advice to ultra-high-net-worth families and institutions. With a multi-asset class approach spanning traditional and alternative investments, Caprock creates fully customized portfolios designed to preserve, compound, and align wealth across generations. Learn more at www.caprock.com. Sidley Austin LLP is a premier global law firm with a dedicated Venture Funds practice, advising top venture capital firms, institutional investors, and private equity sponsors on fund formation, investment structuring, and regulatory compliance. With deep expertise across private markets, Sidley provides strategic legal counsel to help funds scale effectively. Learn more at sidley.com. Swimming with Allocators is a podcast that dives into the intriguing world of Venture Capital from an LP (Limited Partner) perspective. Hosts Alexa Binns and Earnest Sweat are seasoned professionals who have donned various hats in the VC ecosystem. Each episode, we explore where the future opportunities lie in the VC landscape with insights from top LPs on their investment strategies and industry experts shedding light on emerging trends and technologies. The information provided on this podcast does not, and is not intended to, constitute legal advice; instead, all information, content, and materials available on this podcast are for general informational purposes only. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on Swimming with Allocators, David Zhou, Founder of the Superclusters podcast and seasoned investor, joins Alexa and Earnest to discuss the art of venture capital from the LP perspective. Topics include how allocators differentiate true signal from noise, the value of qualitative insights vs. quantitative data, strategies for evaluating fund managers, and the importance of founder relationships. The conversation also touches on best practices for standing out in VC, the evolution of the industry, and actionable advice on track records and building a lasting reputation. Listeners will gain practical wisdom and fresh perspectives on navigating today’s venture landscape. You won’t want to miss it. Highlights from this week’s conversation include: Welcoming David Zhou to the Show (0:28) Name Origins: Superclusters & Astrophysics Analogy (1:21) David Reflects on Curiosity and Nontraditional Paths (3:35) Investing in People and Evaluating Managers (6:23) Qualitative Versus Quantitative Decision Making (7:13) Syndicate Leads: Taste Makers Versus Marketers (8:19) Identifying Signal and Network Value (10:18) Differentiating Managers and Radical Transparency (13:29) When to Engage Legal Counsel as a Fund (16:33) Placement Agents and Business Counsel Examples (20:51) GP and LP Perspectives on Metrics and Communication (22:57) Advice for Fund Managers on Pitching (24:02) Value of Relationships With Founders (27:48) The Importance of Naming and Brand (28:57) Podcasting as a Tool for Learning and Connection (30:16) The Appeal of VC and Allocator Roles in Mainstream (34:50) Final Thoughts and Takeaways (38:19) Superclusters is the podcast for emerging LPs who want to think like seasoned pros. Hosted by David Zhou, each episode explores how the world’s top allocators select and back venture capital firms—and how the next generation can learn, experiment, and play their part in shaping the ecosystem. Listen at https://www.superclusters.xyz. Sidley Austin LLP is a premier global law firm with a dedicated Venture Funds practice, advising top venture capital firms, institutional investors, and private equity sponsors on fund formation, investment structuring, and regulatory compliance. With deep expertise across private markets, Sidley provides strategic legal counsel to help funds scale effectively. Learn more at sidley.com. Swimming with Allocators is a podcast that dives into the intriguing world of Venture Capital from an LP (Limited Partner) perspective. Hosts Alexa Binns and Earnest Sweat are seasoned professionals who have donned various hats in the VC ecosystem. Each episode, we explore where the future opportunities lie in the VC landscape with insights from top LPs on their investment strategies and industry experts shedding light on emerging trends and technologies. The information provided on this podcast does not, and is not intended to, constitute legal advice; instead, all information, content, and materials available on this podcast are for general informational purposes only. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices