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Catherine Smart thought she and her co-founder were building the next great consumer brand. Instead, they found themselves navigating the painful realities of fundraising, retail pressure and ultimately shutting down their business. In this episode, Catherine, who launched premium sauce and dressing brand Not Just Co. and is the creator and host of podcast Not From Concentrate, shares an unusually candid look at what went wrong, what she learned and how the experience pushed her back toward the food media career she always loved. Show notes: 0:20: Catherine Smart, Co-Founder, Not Just Co. – Catherine discussed her path from restaurant reviewing, recipe development and television work at food media platform Milk Street to launching Not Just Co., a sauce company inspired by a vegetable-packed pasta sauce she created as a personal chef. She candidly reflected on the realities of building a food brand in a crowded category, explaining how investor pressure pushed the company into large retail accounts like Target before it was financially ready to support them. Catherine also discussed the hidden costs of distribution, the emotional burden of fundraising and the difficulty of balancing operations with marketing, while acknowledging that the brand may never have achieved true product-market fit in mainstream retail. Despite the company's closure, she described the experience as "business school," emphasizing the lessons she learned about resilience, entrepreneurship and identity beyond a startup. She also shared how shutting down Not Just Co. ultimately led her back to food media through her podcast and upcoming cookbook, both titled Not From Concentrate, where she's now focused on storytelling, creativity and food culture. Brands in this episode: Not Just Co., Sauz

Innovation is everywhere, but the majority of what consumers see is incremental change. What does it mean to do something meaningfully different? Lasso is attempting to answer that question. In this episode, CEO Mike Messersmith, the former Oatly executive who helped turn oat milk into a cultural phenomenon, shares how his company is rethinking food from the ground up with breakthrough technology that delivers high-protein, clean-label snacks without compromise. From its origins as a plant-based meat startup to launching creative new brands like Cronch Club and Froobies, Lasso is using its proprietary process to challenge the limits of taste, texture, and nutrition – while aiming to power the next wave of innovation across the entire food industry. Show notes: 0:20: Mike Messersmith, CEO, Lasso – Mike discusses the launch of Oatly in the U.S. and how the company's strategy of creating a no-compromise product experience – particularly within the specialty coffee landscape – as key to driving widespread adoption and category growth. He talks about how he's applying similar principles to Lasso and how the former plant-based meat company pivoted as market dynamics shifted, expanding its technology into broader applications that enable high-protein, high-fiber, clean-label foods without relying on traditional processing methods or additives. Mike explains that the company's consumer brands serve as proof-of-concept products that demonstrate the technology's potential across categories such as snacks and fruit chews, while also helping refine product-market fit through direct-to-consumer channels. He emphasizes that Lasso sits at the intersection of food and technology, aiming to solve consumer demand for better nutrition, taste, and transparency by innovating at the manufacturing level rather than just formulation. Mike reveals that the company's long-term vision is to partner with established food manufacturers, licensing its technology to enable a new generation of products, while leveraging its own brands to showcase what's possible and build credibility with both consumers and investors. Brands in this episode: Lasso, Chobani, Oatly, Cronch Club, Froobies

The latest episode of Taste Radio's Elevator Talk spotlights innovative leaders from Farmwell, umma juice, Last Rep, Madpop and Afropop. The founders and operators introduce their brands and share recent company updates and milestones. This week's special co-host is Madeline Haydon, the founder of Nutpods. Madeline offers insightful questions, thoughtful feedback, and strategic perspective alongside regular host Ray Latif, editor and producer of the Taste Radio podcast. Early-stage food and beverage entrepreneurs are encouraged to apply for future episodes of Elevator Talk. Participation is free, interviews are conducted remotely, and it's a unique opportunity to pitch your product, share news, and receive expert feedback from industry leaders. Apply now to be featured in an upcoming episode.

Grüns landed a $1.2 billion acquisition less than three years after launch. Added protein still dominates shelf space – but how much runway does the trend really have left? Meanwhile, bottled water is facing growing scrutiny as its long-standing "health halo" begins to crack. We unpack the headlines and trends shaping innovation across food and beverage – and what they reveal about where CPG is headed next. Show notes: 0:20: Brad Is Back. Big Green Deal. Do We Need Protein In This? On To Austin. The Plastic Problem. – BevNET and Nosh senior reporter Brad Avery joins the show as the hosts unpack Unilever's acquisition of fast-growing functional gummy brand Grüns, and why strong repeat purchase and DTC momentum can drive outsized valuations even without broad retail distribution. From there, the conversation turns to the still-surging "protein in everything" wave, with a look at new protein-forward launches spanning chips, pasta, soda, and coffee, and a candid debate over which formats feel intuitive versus engineered. The hosts also dig into how brands are factoring in the rise of GLP-1 drugs when shaping innovation pipelines. Ray thanks attendees of Taste Radio NYC Meetup, highlights the upcoming Austin meetup, and previews BevNET Live NYC 2026. Brad shares insights from his recent reporting on the bottled water category, where concerns around microplastics and packaging are beginning to chip away at its long-standing health halo – though behavior change remains early. The episode wraps with a tasting of sour innovations, from date-based candy alternatives to low-sugar gummies. Brands in this episode: Grüns, Goli, Athletic Greens, Liquid I.V., Koia, Khloud, Purely Elizabeth, Kaizen, Protein Pints, Pop Tarts, Laird Superfoods, Crisp Power, Poppi, Olipop, Culture Pop, C4, Bloom, Ballpark, Essentia, Path Water, Open Water, Icelandic Glacial, DADDL, Behave, Warheads

Packaging and color have always influenced buying decisions, but in today's CPG landscape they're becoming two of the most powerful levers – capable of shaping perceived flavor and even determining whether a product makes it into the cart. In this episode, the hosts explore how Kind Snacks' shift to paper wrappers surfaced unexpected changes in taste perception, while the explosive rise of ube and other visually striking ingredients underscores how "camera-ready" products are driving real demand. It's a deep dive into how sensory cues and social media aesthetics are reshaping what wins on the shelf. Show notes: 0:20: TX Time. Rising In S.D. Tune In Today (And Tomorrow). Paper & Purple. Liv Real, With A Flip Phone. - The hosts preview upcoming meetups in New York City and Austin, alongside BevNET Live NYC 2026 and Naturally San Diego's Naturally Rising pitch competition. They thank a pair of "angels" for stopping by the office and tease an upcoming interview with Supernatural Ventures' Chris Robb on the Nombase Podcast. Ray highlights a Taste Radio episode chronicling the growth story of Toom garlic dip, before the conversation shifts to Mars' work scaling sustainable packaging for Kind bars and its potential influence on taste perception and consumer behavior. They also examine how vibrant colors – such as ube's striking purple – fuel social media buzz and inspire product innovation. The episode closes with product tastings spanning ube-coated macadamia nuts, nostalgic-style juice drinks, and a better-for-you energy beverage, followed by a creative marketing campaign featuring a redesigned flip phone aimed at encouraging real-world engagement over screen time. Brands in this episode: Kind Snacks, Mars, Toom, Nutrabolt, C4, Bloom, Svedka, Fila Manila, Sweety Mochi, Hawaiian Host, Umma Juice, Mauna Loa, Liv Real, Riot Energy, Hippie Energy

After more than a decade of grinding in obscurity – including years of failed commercialization attempts and even living in his brother's basement – Toom founder and CEO Matt Joyce is finally turning a humble garlic dip into one of the fastest-growing CPG brands in America. In this conversation, Matt reveals how he transformed a beloved Lebanese staple into a mainstream condiment, why he stayed under the radar for years, and how a relentless focus on flavor, branding and persistence helped him break through with major retailers and build a family-run success story. Show notes: 0:20: Matt Joyce, Founder & CEO, Toom – On location at Expo West 2026, Matt shares the story behind Toom, a condiment inspired by his Lebanese roots and a desire to offer something different from the usual ketchup. He talks about how, instead of marketing it as a niche ethnic product, he focused on creating a brand with broad appeal through strong, universal branding. Matt dives into the decade of research, development, and tweaking it took to get Toom to market, and how he handled rapid growth once everything clicked. He also opens up about his relentless outreach to buyers and how a big break with Whole Foods helped put the brand on the map, leading to opportunities with retailers like Wegmans, Publix, and Costco. Matt discusses the importance of direct feedback from consumers, the power of in-store demos, and his strategy of keeping the brand low-key until it gained real momentum. Throughout it all, he credits his family's support, his own determination, and a long-term vision for pushing through years of uncertainty. Brands in this episode: Toom, Sabra

Celebrity might open the door, but execution is what blows it wide open – and Khloud is proving it. Co-founded by Khloé Kardashian, the fast-growing functional snack brand has raced from launch to 29,000 doors in just months, secured nationwide placement in Starbucks, and expanded beyond its flagship protein popcorn with a new line of protein chips. But Khloud's momentum isn't just about star power. In this episode, co-founder and CEO Jeff Rubenstein – a seasoned CPG operator with leadership experience at Vita Coco and Poppi – shares candid lessons on execution, early pricing missteps, and why celebrity alone doesn't build a lasting brand. He also breaks down how balancing mass visibility with grassroots community-building is key to long-term success.Show notes: 0:20: Jeff Rubenstein, Co-Founder & CEO, Khloud – Jeff discusses his entrepreneurial journey from Coca-Cola to building multiple successful brands and now leading Khloud. He explains Khloud's focus on "female, fun, functionality, and flavor," positioning its products as stylish, better-for-you snacks that stand apart from traditionally male-oriented functional products. Jeff emphasizes that Khloud's success goes beyond celebrity backing and shares key lessons from scaling quickly, including operational challenges like supply shortages, the importance of investing early in the right manufacturing and operations partners, over-promoting and underestimating demand. He expects Khloud to evolve from a product-driven company into a brand-driven one, aiming to create emotional connections with consumers. Brands in this episode: Khloud, Vita Coco, Coca-Cola, Poppi, Doritos, Alani Nu, Quest, Pringles, Lays, Fritos

How did two 20-something founders turn a $7,000 investment into one of the fastest-growing brands in CPG, now selling one unit every three seconds? It started with a deceptively simple idea, relentless sampling, meticulous planning and a confident bet that protein ice cream could outshine the biggest names in the game. I met up with Protein Pints co-founders Paul Reiss and Michael Meadows at Expo West 2026 to discuss the origins and development of their high-protein ice cream brand They share why leading with "protein" was key to standing out, how years of sampling and iteration shaped the product, and how they scaled from just 14 stores to over 10,000 in just under one year. Fueled by strong branding, great taste, and relentless execution, their rapid rise highlights the power of product-market fit and founder conviction. Show notes: 0:20: Interview: Michael Meadows & Paul Reiss, Co-Founders, Protein Pints – Paul and Michael reflect on their longtime friendship and how their college experiences ultimately led them to start a company together. They explain that including "protein" in the brand name was a deliberate choice, meant to clearly signal the product's core benefit in a crowded frozen aisle. They also detail the more than two years they spent preparing for launch, rigorously testing recipes, packaging, and branding through extensive sampling and feedback. To fund the business, they reinvested earnings from a small service venture and supplemented that capital with prize money from pitch competitions. They credit strong sales, clear positioning, and a relentless focus on taste as the primary driver of repeat purchases. They acknowledge concerns about scaling too quickly, but lean on conviction in their product and timing, bolstered by a growing team and a network of mentors. Brands in this episode: Protein Pints, Taste Radio, SkinnyPop, Muscle Milk, Ben & Jerry's, Häagen-Dazs, Van Leeuwen, Super Coffee, Sauz

The latest episode of Taste Radio's Elevator Talk spotlights innovative leaders from Tart, Soulkist Elixirs, Black Beverly Hills, boop and Area 51 Energy. The founders and operators introduce their brands and share recent company updates and milestones. This week's special co-host is Chuck Casano, the co-founder & CEO of Pitaya Foods and HiTouch Libations. He offers insightful questions, thoughtful feedback, and strategic perspective alongside regular host Ray Latif, editor and producer of the Taste Radio podcast. Early-stage food and beverage entrepreneurs are encouraged to apply for future episodes of Elevator Talk. Participation is free, interviews are conducted remotely, and it's a unique opportunity to pitch your product, share news, and receive expert feedback from industry leaders. Apply now to be featured in an upcoming episode.

David Protein just got hit with a lawsuit claiming its macros don't add up, raising familiar questions about labeling, ingredients, and what happens when a fast-growing brand lands in the legal spotlight. The team breaks down the claims, why brands become litigation magnets, and whether consumers will care. Plus: a readout from Seafood Expo North America and Stiller Soda's attention-grabbing social push. Show notes: 0:20: A Month-Ish Away. Stage Presence. Scaling, Suing. SENA Observations. Not Ben Stiller. Shots. – The hosts promote the upcoming Taste Radio NYC meetup and BevNET Live, including the New Beverage Showdown competition. They follow up with a discussion centered on David Protein and a class action lawsuit alleging discrepancies in the fat and calorie content of its bars. The hosts debate whether such controversies meaningfully impact consumer trust and how legal challenges are common for fast-growing brands. The conversation shifts to trends observed at the 2026 Seafood Expo North America trade show, where innovation focused on convenience, value-added products, and protein-rich offerings. The hosts also discuss a humorous social media campaign for Stiller's Soda featuring Ben Stiller, and highlight Monfefo wellness shots and indulgent "Killer Brownies." Brands in this episode: David Protein, RXBAR, Diet Coke, Aqua Mar, Stiller Soda, Monfefo, Lumen, Vive Organic, Killer Brownie, Goldilocks, Vita Coco

Target is expanding its food and beverage footprint with new store concepts and larger grocery sections – potentially creating more space for emerging brands. In this episode, the hosts discuss what it means for startups and also spotlight notable trends and brands from Expo West. We also revisit interviews from our Miami meetup, including a conversation with angel investor Spencer Slaine on what he looks for in early-stage brands. Show notes: 0:20: Expo Energy. IRL All Year. Nom News. Bullseye, Babe. Mez & The Gang. Citrus Boost. – The hosts recap the energy and standout trends from Expo West and preview upcoming industry events, including BevNET Live and Taste Radio meetups. Melissa highlights a Nombase Podcast episode that features insights from investors who launched their own CPG brand and revealed how they think about pricing, ingredients, and growth. The hosts also discuss Target's expanding focus on food and beverage and how founders can take advantage, highlight a major funding round for protein bar brand Mezcla and reflect on brands born during the COVID era. They sample several new products, including espresso sodas, probiotic mouthwash (yep) and cocoa-flavored bone broth. 32:27: Interviews from Taste Radio's Miami Meetup – We kick things off with Spencer Slaine, a founding member of The Angel Group, who explains how the early-stage investment network helps early-stage CPG brands bridge the funding gap with both capital and operator expertise. He is followed by Little Saints founder and CEO Megan Klein who shares how her functional, non-alcoholic cocktail brand was born out of a personal shift toward moderation and has become an anchor in the fast-growing adult non-alcoholic beverage category. Rounding out the discussion is AB InBev's Conrad Barrett who talks about PerfectDraft, a countertop system designed to bring bar-quality draft beer into the home, highlighting how consumer feedback and AI-driven insights are shaping its growth. Brands in this episode: Little Saints, PerfectDraft, Stella Artois, Guinness, Athletic Brewing, Lucky Energy, Kate Farms, Trip, Mingle Mocktails, Cadooz, Mezcla, Poppi, Fishwife, B.T.R. Nation, Unite Foods, Folkland, Farmwell, Painterland Sisters, One Degree Organics, Moozy, Singing Pastures, Esspo, Manhattan Special, Basicase, Pikora, PWR UP, Good & Gather

Eight years after his first appearance on Taste Radio, Nick Green, co-founder and CEO of pioneering online grocer Thrive Market, returns with a clear message: the future of healthy living will be shaped less by trend-chasing and more by trust, technology and simplicity. In this episode, Nick explains how Thrive is navigating a rapidly evolving wellness landscape molded by AI, GLP-1 drugs and growing consumer skepticism, while staying grounded in its mission to make healthy living more accessible and affordable. He also shares how Thrive evaluates brands, why taste matters most, and why he increasingly sees the company – which generated over $900 million in revenue in 2025 – not just as an online grocery store, but as a personalized health platform for modern consumers. Show notes: 0:20: Nick Green, Co-Founder & CEO, Thrive Market – Nick reflects on how both he and Thrive Market have evolved since his first appearance on the podcast in 2018. While acknowledging volatility across the natural products industry, he explains why Thrive remains focused on enduring trends around health, transparency and accessibility. Nick discusses how Thrive defines "healthy," how it uses data to personalize discovery for members, and why he believes AI will deepen the company's relationship with subscribers. He also explains how Thrive's membership model attracts a nationwide base of "wellness champions," and how its strict quality standards guide its curation strategy. He shares why authenticity and taste matter most when evaluating brands, and how Thrive serves as a launchpad for emerging companies. Nick also discusses Thrive's growing own-brand business, weighs in on trends like protein, functional mushrooms and non-alcoholic beverages, and describes how the company increasingly sees itself not just as an online grocer, but as a technology platform helping consumers navigate healthy living. Brands in this episode: JOON, SkinnyDipped, Mud\Wtr, Four Sigmatic, Quantum Energy Squares

Nationwide Whole Foods distribution. A seven-figure DTC engine. A five-person team. In this episode, Ashley Nickelsen, the founder and CEO of nutrition bar and chocolate brand B.T.R. Nation, breaks down the systems behind her brand's growth, from using DTC zip-code data to unlock retail expansion, to building a creative-first Meta ads strategy that drives real revenue (not just impressions). She shares why velocity is her North Star metric, how she thinks about omnichannel as a flywheel – not separate businesses – how she evaluates when syndicated data is worth the cost, and why she chose to self-warehouse to maintain margin and operational control. Ashley also unpacks her approach to pricing across channels, portfolio expansion beyond a single hero SKU, and constant creative testing in one of grocery's most competitive categories. Show notes: 0:20: Ashley Nickelsen, Founder & CEO, B.T.R. Nation – Ashley talks about her deep ties to New York City and a life largely spent on the road for work. She also shares her path into CPG from a master's in higher education and then into the supplement world and applied lessons from her experience to B.T.R., Ashley's discusses evolution as a spokesperson and her belief that brands need a consistent "face," explains B.T.R.'s origin story and how losing both parents to rare cancers before age 30 shaped her mission and her decision to avoid natural flavors. She describes how trust and community grew "organically" through direct customer engagement and helps generate retail discovery and online reorders across channels. She also details how B.T.R. approaches growth with constant iteration while keeping affordability and velocity in mind, and shares practical learnings on Meta advertising and how to pair digital attribution with retail data stories to win new accounts. Brands in this episode: B.T.R. Nation, Spindrift, Mid-Day Squares, Graza, Simple Mills, Siete, Perfect Bar, Lily's, Unreal, Heinz, Crumbl