Tech Policy Grind

How do we protect young people online without sacrificing privacy and autonomy? In our latest episode of the Tech Policy Grind, Justice Shannon sits down with Dr. Jennifer King, Privacy and Data Policy Fellow at the Stanford Institute for Human-Centered Artificial Intelligence, for a nuanced conversation about age assurance, the current practices, and the emerging practices used to verify user age in online and offline spaces. Whether you’re a policymaker, technologist, or just curious about the future of privacy online, this episode is not to be missed.

In this episode of Tech Policy Grind, the conversation delves into the significant antitrust case against Google led by the US Department of Justice. The discussion covers the historical context of antitrust actions, the proposed remedies aimed at breaking Google’s monopoly, and the implications for competition in the tech industry. Joe Jerome from DuckDuckGo provides insights into the complexities of the case, the importance of technical expertise in enforcement, and the potential impact on consumers and the future of AI development. The episode concludes with reflections on the global regulatory landscape and the ongoing nature of the legal proceedings. This episode was recorded on November 22, 2024 and is being published ahead of Google’s response, which comes out on December 20, 2024.

This week, we’re sharing two conversations from State of the Net that discuss the importance of responsible product design and ethical red teaming for AI. First, we chatted with Aishwarya Vardhana. As a full stack product designer, she designs innovative interfaces and experiences with safety, privacy, and other human rights considerations baked into the product. At State of the Net, when this conversation was recorded, she shared how she thinks about building ethical, inclusive and responsible technology, and how she prioritizes user needs to help keep people safe online. Then, we sat down with Harley Geiger, Counsel on Cybersecurity Services at Venable, about ethical AI redteaming. What is ethical AI redteaming? And how are redteamers protected under the law when they test out vulnerabilities of AI models? We get into that and much more the conversation with Harley, Foundry fellow Sasa Jovanovic and me during State of the Net. DISCLAIMER: Daniela, Evan, Sasa, Harley and Aishwarya engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions they are affiliated with.

This week on the Tech Policy Grind, an expert panel unpacked the two First Amendment cases heard by the Supreme Court last week. In 2021, Florida and Texas introduced laws to prevent social media companies from banning political candidates or censoring content based on viewpoints, sparking a debate about the balance between free speech and platform regulation. The Supreme Court hearing on February 26, 2024 on the Florida and Texas laws set the stage for a broader conversation on the First Amendment rights of social media companies. To comment on the recent hearings, we brought in Internet Law and Policy Foundry alumna Jess Miers, Senior Counsel at Chamber of Progress to moderate a conversation with two other experts: Vidushi Dyall, Director Legal Analysis at Chamber of Progress who was reporting from the courtroom last week and Eric Goldman, the Associate Dean for Research, Professor of Law, Co-Director of the High Tech Law Institute, and Co-Supervisor of the Privacy Law Certificate, at Santa Clara University School of Law. DISCLAIMER: Daniela, Evan, Jess, Vidushi, and Eric engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions they are affiliated with. Bios: Jess Miers is Senior Counsel at Chamber of Progress. As a lawyer and technologist, Jess primarily focuses on the intersection of law and the Internet. She is widely considered an expert on U.S. intermediary liability law and has written, spoken, and taught extensively about topics such as speech and Section 230, content moderation, intellectual property, and cyber crime. Jess is also currently an advisor to the Trust & Safety Professional Association, and an industry mentor for Santa Clara Law’s Tech Edge J.D. certificate program. Vidushi Dyall is the Director of Legal Analysis at the Chamber of Progress. She is a Fordham Law graduate and has gained meaningful professional experience across tech policy, privacy, and cybersecurity. In her current role she provides rapid analysis and response to breaking developments in cases that involve critical tech policy issues. Eric Goldman is Associate Dean for Research, Professor of Law, Co-Director of the High Tech Law Institute, and Co-Supervisor of the Privacy Law Certificate, at Santa Clara University School of Law. His research and teaching focuses on Internet law, and he blogs on that topic at the Technology & Marketing Law Blog. Resources: Moody v. NetChoice, LLC NetChoice, LLC v. Paxton Communications Decency Act Reno v. ACLU Section 230

Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! To kick off Season Five, the Tech Policy Grind is bringing you to State of the Net 2024 Live! On February 12, 2024 officials from the executive and legislative branches joined internet and tech advocates in Washington, D.C. to discuss topics such as child online safety, AI regulation and governance, internet access and affordability, the legal and regulatory landscape on online expression, and more. In this episode, we put together three conversations from our live recording at the conference. Foundry alum Lama Mohammed chatted with Jameson Spivack, Senior Policy Analyst, Immersive Technologies at Future of Privacy Forum on the challenges of balancing progress and privacy when it comes to neurotechnologies. Then Senior Foundry fellows Sasa Jovanovic and Daniela Guzman Peña sat down with Colin Crowell, the Senior Advisor & Managing Director of The Blue Owl Group to discuss how internet geopolitics and diplomacy will evolve in the next era of the web. Finally, we had the chance to speak with Nicole Saad Bembridge, Counsel at NetChoice, about the legal landscape for Supreme Court cases this year, which might reframe the boundaries of online expression and platform liability. So sit back, relax, and enjoy a wide-ranging episode that showcases some of the key issues that were discussed at this agenda-setting conference. Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode! DISCLAIMER: Daniela, Lama, and Sasa engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions they are affiliated with. Bios: Jameson Spivack: Jameson Spivack leads the Future of Privacy Forum’s work on immersive technologies like extended reality, neurotechnologies, and virtual worlds. He works with a range of stakeholders from industry, civil society, and academia to understand the impact of emerging privacy laws on immersive technologies, and to develop best practices for organizations developing or deploying them. Previously, Jameson was an Associate with the Center on Privacy & Technology at Georgetown Law, where he worked on research and policy advocacy related to algorithmic technologies like face recognition in the criminal legal system. Colin Crowell: Colin Crowell is the Managing Director of The Blue Owl Group. Colin is an international tech policy consultant and the former Vice President of Global Public Policy, Government, & Philanthropy at Twitter. During his 8+ years at Twitter, Colin built an award-winning philanthropy program and engaged with global policymakers and civil society on a range of Internet policy issues. Prior to joining Twitter, Colin worked as Senior Counselor to the Chairman of the Federal Communications Commission and previously spent more than two decades on Capitol Hill drafting telecommunications and Internet laws on the committee staff of then-U.S. Representative (now Senator) Ed Markey (D-MA). Colin was the 2020 Commencement Speaker at the LBJ School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas – Austin. He is a graduate of Boston College with a BA in Political Science and a minor concentration in Computer Science. After college, Colin was a Jesuit International Volunteer in Arequipa, Peru. Nicole Saad Bembridge: As Associate Director of NetChoice’s Litigation Center, Saad Bembridge focuses on NetChoice’s litigation and amicus efforts. She specializes in reviewing federal and state legislation that affect the First Amendment, freedom of speech, Section 230 and AI. Before joining NetChoice, Saad Bembridge worked as a legal associate at the Cato Institute’s Center for Constitutional Studies, where she co-authored twelve appellate amicus briefs, a policy analysis on content moderation paradigms, and provided analysis on a broad range of constitutional and stat

This week, Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Reema Moussa, the host and producer of this podcast. Reema is currently a third-year J.D. Candidate at the USC Gould School of Law focused on cybersecurity, privacy, internet governance, trust & safety, and other tech law and policy issues. In this episode, Meri takes Reema through an introspective conversation about Reema’s journey as a law student and an ILPF Fellow, as the fellowship (and her time in law school) comes to an end. In addition, Reema reflects on her path to internet law and policy, starting with a formative college internship at the International Telecommunication Union in Geneva, which sparked her interest in international law, AI policy, and cyberwarfare. She then explains how she has found a niche at the nexus of cybersecurity & privacy, trust & safety, business, and the law over the last several years. Then, Meri and Reema get into her experience as a Foundry fellow and executive board member. She also highlights some of her other internships and organizations she’s been involved in. Reema discusses her passion for being a bridge between professional communities and her goal of harnessing communication as a lawyer to drive innovation. As a tech optimist at heart, she discusses how she balances her motivation to use the law to protect people from the potential harms or abuses of technology, with her belief that technology can ultimately make the world better. Resources mentioned in the episode: International Telecommunication Union University of California Santa Barbara, Women in Cybersecurity World Summit on the Information Society Conference AI for Good Conference Future of Privacy Forum Electronic Frontier Foundation ABA AntiTrust Section – Privacy and Information Security Committee Sentinel One Intellectual Property and Technology Law Clinic at University of Southern California Gould School of Law Goodwin Procter VMCA Advogados California Lawyers Association, Privacy Section LA County Bar Association, Privacy and Cybersecurity Section Internet Law and Policy Foundry Leading from the Heart Foundation (coming in 2024) Check out the Foundry on Instagram, Twitter, or LinkedIn and subscribe to our newsletter! If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us. Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode! DISCLAIMER: Reema Moussa and Meri Baghdasaryan engage with the Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on air do not reflect on the organizations Reema and Meri are affiliated with.

Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! This week, Reema gets “meta” by chatting with other podcasters to give a behind-the-scenes look into the world of tech policy podcast production. She chatted with Angelique Carson, host of The Privacy Beat podcast, Nicole Dove, host of the Urban Girl Corporate World podcast, and Noah Katz, host of the Careers in Data Privacy podcast. The podcast pros get into discuss how they launched their podcasts and what they’ve learned as podcast hosts. They also discuss their careers in the privacy, cybersecurity, and tech policy space. About the podcasters: Angelique Carson is a longtime privacy journalist. After working in Maine’s local media, she spent 11 years reporting on privacy at the IAPP. There, she served as the editor of The Privacy Advisor, a monthly publication. In 2016, she launched the first-ever privacy podcast by the same name. Now Director of Content Strategy at TerraTrue, a privacy-by-design software startup, she publishes The Privacy Beat Newsletter and The Privacy Beat Podcast. She frequently speaks at events, as well as on panels, webinars, and other podcasts, and she’s based in Washington, D.C. Nicole Dove is an award-winning cybersecurity leader, university lecturer, LinkedIn Learning Instructor & host of the Urban Girl Corporate World podcast with over 18 years of experience driving results across cybersecurity, audit, global operations and relationship management functions. At Riot Games, she serves as Head of Security, Games Division. There, she’s building the company’s first global BISO team, furthering the alignment of business and information security initiatives. Noah Katz (CIPP/US) recently graduated from Ohio State University’s Moritz College of Law. During his time in law school, Noah held internships at Zscaler, Ohio State University, and the Future of Privacy Forum. In addition, Noah was the Founder & President of the Data Privacy and Cybersecurity Club. He was also the Managing Editor at the Ohio State Technology Law Journal. Check out the Foundry on Instagram, Twitter, or LinkedIn and subscribe to our newsletter! If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us. Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode! DISCLAIMER: Reema engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in her personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions she is affiliated with.

Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! This episode, Foundry Fellows Reema Moussa, Lama Mohammed, and Joe Catapano cover some of the latest headlines in tech policy. They cover the latest updates in the Federal Trade Commission’s case against the data broker Kochava, the DOJ’s antitrust case against Google, and the reauthorization of Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). They also cover some global updates on AI regulation, from the White House’s AI executive order to the Global AI Safety Summit. Finally, Reema wraps up with coverage on Meta’s new political advertising disclosure policy around AI-generated content coinciding with new EU rules on targeted political ads for Big Tech. Resources Referenced and Further Readings Aids: Data Brokers, Ad-Tech, and the Civil Liberties at Stake with Justin Sherman [S4E27] FTC v. Kochava and What’s Next for the FTC’s Section 5 Unfairness Authority Unsealed amended complaint in FTC v. Kochava US wraps up antitrust case against Google in historic trial Key Takeaways from the Global AI Safety Summit FACT SHEET: President Biden Issues Executive Order on Safe, Secure, and Trustworthy Artificial Intelligence ANPD’s Call for Contributions to the regulatory sandbox for artificial intelligence and data protection in Brazil is now open ICYMI: White House ONDCP Director Op-Ed on Reauthorization of Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Wyden, Lee, Davidson and Lofgren Introduce Bipartisan Legislation to Reauthorize and Reform Key Surveillance Law, Secure Protections for Americans’ Rights Meta to require political advertisers disclose AI-generated content Big Tech to face tougher rules on targeted political ads in EU Check out the Foundry on Instagram, Twitter, or LinkedIn and subscribe to our newsletter! If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us. Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode! DISCLAIMER: Foundry Fellows Reema, Lama, and Joe engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions they are affiliated with.

This week, host Reema Moussa catches up with three Class 5 fellows Evan Enzer, Zia Mohammad, and Daniela Guzman Peña. Evan Enzer is the editor of the Tech Policy Grind podcast and a consultant focused on privacy law compliance and operations. Zia is a technologist working as a product manager for Amazon Web Services in quantum computing. Daniela is a co-producer of the Tech Policy Grind podcast, former journalist, and working on policy development and stakeholder engagement at a tech platform. We caught up with these three fellows to hear more about their diverse careers in tech policy and what they’ve been working on during their first year with the Foundry. Check out the Foundry on Instagram, Twitter, or LinkedIn and subscribe to our newsletter! If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us. Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode! DISCLAIMER: Evan, Zia, and Daniela engage with the Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on air do not reflect on the organizations Evan, Zia, and Daniela are affiliated with.

Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry! On this week’s episode, Evan Enzer, an ILPF fellow and car-centric SoCal Native, met up with Adonne Washington (Future of Privacy Forum) and Andrea Amico (Privacy4Cars) to cover our introduction to vehicle privacy, a fast-emerging market in the broader privacy law and policy profession. They get into Andrea’s new project, VehiclePrivacyReport.com; FPF’s excellent introductory resources; Mozilla’s latest edition of Privacy Not Included; and the California Privacy Protection Agency’s (CPPA’s) auto company enforcement sweep. The trio also briefly mentions Evan’s Wiretaps on Wheel’s whitepaper. These resources should be enough to bring us up to speed (puns always intended) on car privacy. Resources Referenced Future of Privacy Forum’s infographics and material on connected cars: https://fpf.org/blog/infographic-data-connected-car-version-1-0/. Privacy4Cars’ Vehicle Privacy Report: https://vehicleprivacyreport.com/report/. Mozilla’s Privacy Not Included: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/privacy-nightmare-on-wheels-every-car-brand-reviewed-by-mozilla-including-ford-volkswagen-and-toyota-flunks-privacy-test/. STOP’s wiretaps on Wheels whitepaper: https://www.stopspying.org/wiretaps-on-wheels./

This week, Reema sits down with Justin Sherman, CEO of Global Cyber Strategies, to talk all things data brokers. They cover the ad-tech ecosystem, the past, current, and future of federal and state-level regulation on data brokers, and what the data brokerage industry means for civil liberties. They then dig deep into recent FTC action, including the implications of FTC v. Kochava, the California DELETE Act, and what might be coming down the pipeline in data broker regulation – including the CFPB’s latest action on data brokers. Justin’s consulting firm, Global Cyber Strategies, is a Washington, DC-based research and advisory firm. Justin is also a senior fellow at Duke University’s Sanford School of Public Policy, where he leads its data brokerage research project and lectures on cybersecurity, privacy, and technology policy. In addition, he is a nonresident fellow at the Atlantic Council. He’s also a contributing editor at Lawfare, an op-ed columnist at Slate Magazine, and a fellow at Stanford Starling Lab. Justin also serves as an advisor to the Christchurch Call to Eliminate Terrorist and Violent Extremist Content Online, a community of more than 120 governments, online service providers, and civil society organizations working to eliminate violent extremist content on the internet. Additionally, he is the technology advisor to the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project (S.T.O.P.). Resources mentioned in the episode: 2013 U.S. Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation Report – A Review of the Data Broker Industry: Collection, Use, and Sale of Consumer Data for Marketing Purposes 2014 Federal Trade Commission Report -Data Brokers: A Call for Transparency and Accountability 2023 Washington Post investigation into the outing of a closeted priest using phone location data originating from, among others, Grindr Justin’s 2022 Lawfare article on a data broker who helped run anti-abortion ads to women in clinic waiting rooms 2022 Open Secrets report on data brokers who make millions selling data to political groups Follow Justin on LinkedIn or Twitter! Check out the Foundry on Instagram, Twitter, or LinkedIn and subscribe to our newsletter! If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us. Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode! DISCLAIMER: Reema engages with the Foundry voluntarily and in her personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on air do not reflect on the organizations Reema is affiliated with.

Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. In this episode, Class 4 Fellow Rebecca Kilberg interviews Dr. Stephen Abrams, Head of the Digital Preservation program at the Harvard University Library. How do priorities for digital preservation develop? How similar are digital preservation strategies and policies to those used in traditional preservation contexts, and where do they differ? What new costs must be accounted for, and what unexpected benefits are being uncovered? Our experts explore how preservationists are adjusting to novel challenges and opportunities while developing the digital arm of a field devoted to “ensuring the continuity of human memory.” Check out the Foundry on Instagram, Twitter, or LinkedIn and subscribe to our newsletter! If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us. Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode! DISCLAIMER: Rebecca engages with the Foundry voluntarily and in her personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on air do not reflect on the organizations Rebecca is affiliated with.