Ordered to Love (ft. Alex Kocman)

About this episode

In this episode, Timon Cline interviews Alex Kocman to explore the concept of loving in the right order according to Christian teachings.

What does it really mean to obey Christ’s command to love—family, church, nation, and the nations—in the right order? In this episode of the American Reformer Podcast, Timon Cline sits down with Alex Kocman, author of Ordered to Love, to unpack the Ordo Amoris, Protestant political theology, missions, and patriotism. Alex Kocman is a Christian writer, podcaster, and church leader. He serves as Director of Communications and Engagement for ABWE and co-hosts The Missions Show and The World View podcasts. He is the author of the brand new book, Ordered to Love. https://press.founders.org/shop/ordered-to-love/ Learn more about Alex Kocman's work: https://alexkocman.com/about/ Why Ordered to Love had to be written: https://alexkocman.com/2026/01/16/why-ordered-to-love-needed-to-be-written/ Timestamps: 0:00 – Intro & Welcome to American Reformer Podcast 0:37 – Who Is Alex Kocman? Missions, Media, and Theology 4:02 – Why Ordered to Love? The Flashpoints Behind the Book 10:25 – Universalism vs. Parochialism in the Church 16:53 – Do Christians Have a Duty to Love Their Own Nation? 24:25 – Nations in Scripture: From Abraham to Revelation 34:17 – How Grace Restores Nature 40:32 – What…

People in this episode

Host: Timon Cline

Guest: Alex Kocman

Topics covered

• Christian love
• Protestant political theology
• missions
• patriotism
• Ordo Amoris

Keywords

• love
• Christianity
• missions
• political theology
• patriotism
• Ordered to Love

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: ABWE, American Reformer

Books & works: Ordered to Love

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