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#83 Family Law Protection of Trusts: Rigby & Kingston and Caldwell & Caldwell
May 11, 2026
37m 38s
#82 Family Law Protection of Trusts: Woodcock & Woodcock (No 2)
May 4, 2026
34m 04s
#81 Family Law Protection of Trusts: Barrett & Winnie, Frederic & Brisset, and Mansfield
Apr 27, 2026
23m 07s
#80 Family Law Protection of Trusts: Bernard, Coley & Danae, and Dovgan
Apr 20, 2026
33m 28s
#79 Family Law Protection of Trusts: Pittman, Morton and Harris
Apr 13, 2026
36m 59s
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| Date | Episode | Description | Length | ||||||
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| 5/11/26 | ![]() #83 Family Law Protection of Trusts: Rigby & Kingston and Caldwell & Caldwell | Continuing our series on discretionary trusts and family law, in this fifth instalment, I cover the decisions of Rigby & Kingston (No. 4) and Caldwell & Caldwell. These cases look specifically at the family court's treatment of family trusts and TTs which form part of high net worth family groups established by the broader family, where control is shared amongst family members as part of an intergenerational wealth transfer strategy. Read the decisions here: Rigby & Kingston (No. 4) [2021] FamCA 501Caldwell & Caldwell [2025] FedCFamC1F 506 | 37m 38s | ||||||
| 5/4/26 | ![]() #82 Family Law Protection of Trusts: Woodcock & Woodcock (No 2) | Continuing our series on discretionary trusts and family law, I cover the decisions of Woodcock & Woodcock (No 2) and Aarons & Aarons. Woodcock & Woodcock has the potential to shake up the asset protection of discretionary trusts, expanding the meaning of 'property' to include beneficiary's rights to due consideration and administration. Read the decisions here: Woodcock & Woodcock (No 2) FedCFamC1F 173Aarons & Aarons (No 4) [2022] FedCFamC1F 502 | 34m 04s | ||||||
| 4/27/26 | #81 Family Law Protection of Trusts: Barrett & Winnie, Frederic & Brisset, and Mansfield | Continuing our series on discretionary trusts and family law, in this fourth episode, I cover the decisions of Barrett & Winnie, Frederic & Brisset, and Mansfield & Mansfield. These cases look specifically at the family court's treatment of discretionary trusts established by the broader family, where control is shared amongst the family members. Read the decisions here: Barrett & Winnie [2022] FedCFamC1A 99 Frederic & Brisset [2024] FedCFamC1F 801 Mansfield & Mansfield & ORS (No.3) [2018] FCCA 970 | 23m 07s | ||||||
| 4/20/26 | #80 Family Law Protection of Trusts: Bernard, Coley & Danae, and Dovgan | In this third instalment of our series on discretionary trusts and family law, I discuss the decisions of Bernard & Bernard, Coley v Danae, and Dovgan & Dovgan These cases look at how testamentary trusts will be treated by the family courts, the effectiveness of joint controllers, and whether trusts controlled by a Respondent's parents can be drawn into their family law proceedings as property of the parties. Read the decisions here: Bernard & Bernard [2019] FamCA 421 Coley v Danae [2020] WASCA 13 Dovgan & Dovgan [2021] FamCA 306 | 33m 28s | ||||||
| 4/13/26 | #79 Family Law Protection of Trusts: Pittman, Morton and Harris | In this second episode of our series on discretionary trusts and family law, I explore the decisions of Pittman & Pittman, Morton & Morton and Harris & Harris. If Kennon v Spry set the framework, these cases demonstrate how that framework is applied by the courts. Read the decisions here: Pittman & Pittman [2010] FamCAFC 30 Morton & Morton [2012] FamCA 39 Harris & Harris [2011] FamCAFC 245 | 36m 59s | ||||||
| 4/6/26 | #78 Clients getting cold feet with their TTs? | You’ve had the meeting. They agreed to the testamentary trust. Then the draft will lands in their inbox… and suddenly they've got cold feet and want to go back to a basic will. There's nothing worse! In this episode, I unpack why clients might backflip at draft stage, and how to future proof your firm so you can reduce the second guessing. Check out the resources mentioned in this episode: Conversation template Estate Planning Pricing Toolkit | 39m 21s | ||||||
| 3/30/26 | #77 Granny Flats and Co-Living | In this episode I'm joined by special guest, Nathan Fradley FChFP, as he takes us through the ins and outs of Granny Flat Arrangements including: What they are How they are treated for Centrelink and by the ATO How to discuss them with your clients Why it's best to have a broader co-living discussion, over focusing just on "Granny Flats"; and most importantly What the broader implications might be across Aged Care and of course Estate Planning | 45m 27s | ||||||
| 3/23/26 | #76 Anti-money laundering rules for estate planning lawyers | If you’re an estate planning law firm owner wondering what on earth they need to do to comply with the expanded AML/CTF Rules… then this episode is for you! Join our special guest Tracey Knight from Easy AML, for a practical, plain-English walkthrough of how the expanded AML/CTF regime applies to common estate planning activities with clear examples, compliance timelines, and guidance on what professionals need to do to be ready. If you’re not ready for the AML rules – this episode is a must listen! Watch the full presentation here. | 46m 09s | ||||||
| 3/16/26 | #75 Family Law Protection of Trusts: Kennon v Spry | For many clients, discretionary trusts are about one thing: protection. And when relationships break down, the question becomes: how protected are those assets, really? In this this first episode in our new series on discretionary trusts and family law, I unpack the landmark High Court decision of Kennon v Spry. It’s the authority cited in virtually every major family law decision involving discretionary trusts since 2008. This episode lays the groundwork for everything that follows in the series. You can read the judgment here. | 35m 41s | ||||||
| 3/9/26 | #74 How I Make Part-Time Work… Actually Work | Confession: I used to be a full-blown workaholic lawyer. Fourteen-hour days. Every meal at my desk. “Busy” as a personality trait. Now? I run a million-dollar sole director firm working around 20–25 hours a week... with two kids, a chronic illness, and actual hobbies (yes, plural!). So what changed? In this episode, I’m sharing how I’ve designed my business to support my life, not swallow it whole. We talk leverage over hustle, batching your year before it runs you, the 12 Week Year framework, building systems that work when you don’t, and protecting your energy like it’s billable (because honestly, it is). If you’re ambitious but exhausted…Driven but craving more space…This one’s your permission slip to build it differently. | 56m 32s | ||||||
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| 3/2/26 | #73 Inherited & outdated? It's time to audit your basic will precedent | Most lawyers have a “basic will precedent” that’s been handed down through multiple jobs, multiple law reform changes, and at least one clause no one wants to touch. And yet… it’s still in use. In this episode, I talk through why your basic will precedent deserves a proper audit — and how quietly relying on an outdated template can create risk, inefficiency, and poor client outcomes. To make this practical, I’ve created a free Basic Will Precedent Audit Checklist you can use to review your existing template — quickly and honestly. Download the free checklist here. Because “basic” should never mean risky, outdated, or hard to explain. | 27m 10s | ||||||
| 2/23/26 | #72 Funding the Gap: A New Way to Support Executors and Beneficiaries | It’s not often that something genuinely new lands in the estate planning space, which is why I was so curious when I discovered that JustFund has launched a funding solution designed specifically for estate matters. In this episode, I’m joined by Leigh McBean, to explore why Just Fund's new service is worth considering in your estate administration toolkit. We talk through the real-world problems this funding solution is designed to address, how the model works in practice, and the situations where it can support smoother progress in complex or drawn-out matters. If you work in estate administration, this conversation will introduce you to a fresh option that may help reduce friction in your estate planning matters. Because sometimes the sticking point in an estate matter isn’t legal advice; it’s liquidity. Find out more at https://justfund.com.au/ | 54m 23s | ||||||
| 2/16/26 | #71 No TT in the will: Can we fix it after death? | It’s one of the hardest moments in estate planning practice. A person has died, and as you review the will, it’s immediately obvious that the family would have hugely benefited from a testamentary trust. Asset protection. Tax planning. Flexibility for kids. All of it… missing. So the question becomes: Can we fix this after death? In this episode, I explore what happens when a testamentary trust wasn’t included in the will, and whether a so-called post-death testamentary trust can step in as a substitute. We’ll unpack: What people really mean when they talk about “setting up a testamentary trust after death” The limits of what can (and can’t) be achieved once the testator has passed away How post-death TTs compare to a properly drafted testamentary trust in a will The lessons this scenario teaches us about drafting, client education, and managing expectations While post-death strategies can sometimes soften the blow, they are rarely a true replacement for getting the structure right upfront. | 29m 46s | ||||||
| 2/9/26 | #70 The Quiet Power of a Letter of Wishes | Letters of wishes often get treated as an optional extra — nice to have, but not essential. In reality, they can play a powerful role in how an estate plan is understood, implemented, and experienced by a family. In this episode, I unpack the role of the letter of wishes and why it deserves more attention in modern estate planning. Because while a letter of wishes isn’t legally binding, it can be the document that provides clarity, context, and comfort when it’s needed most. If you’ve ever wondered whether letters of wishes are worth the effort, or how to use them more effectively, this episode will help you approach them with confidence and intention. Find out more about our letter of wishes workbook here. | 33m 50s | ||||||
| 2/2/26 | #69 How many TTs? | In this episode, I unpack the considerations that sit behind this decision, including: The pros and cons of a TT per beneficiary versus a shared structure When separate TTs for minors make sense — and when they add unnecessary complexity The factors that influence the right approach How to guide clients through this decision without overwhelming them Because while multiple trusts can offer flexibility and autonomy, more isn’t always better. The “right” answer depends on the family dynamic, the estate, and the testator's values. | 33m 37s | ||||||
| 1/26/26 | #68 Is a Free First Meeting Costing You More Than You Think? | Do you offer a free first meeting? It’s one of the most common questions estate planning lawyers are asked. In this episode, I unpack the pros and cons of offering a free initial client meeting. What works brilliantly for one firm can quietly undermine profitability, boundaries, and client expectations in another. We’ll explore: When a free meeting can be a smart strategic choice — and when it isn’t Alternatives to the “free consult” model that still convert well How to align your approach with your practice goals, client base, and capacity Whether you currently offer free first meetings, are thinking about changing your model, or feel stuck because “everyone else does it,” this episode will help you make an intentional, confident decision that works for your firm. Check out our Estate Planning Pricing Toolkit here | 25m 05s | ||||||
| 1/20/26 | #67 My Why | This episode is a little more personal than usual. Behind the precedents, podcast, courses, and community, there’s a very clear "why" that drives everything I do — and in this episode, I’m sharing it with you. It’s the story behind the work and the reason The Art of Estate Planning exists. | 50m 00s | ||||||
| 12/15/25 | #66 Common TT Myths | I’m setting the record straight by busting some of the most common myths about testamentary trusts that still float around both the public and the profession. By the end of this episode, you’ll have clear, confident talking points to help clients see testamentary trusts for what they really are: a practical, accessible way to protect and empower their families. | 24m 22s | ||||||
| 12/8/25 | #65 Using AI safely and effectively in your legal practice | The buzz around Generative AI is hardly going away, and in a world where we are all over worked and time poor, it could be the solution to working faster and better. But should lawyers use Generative AI in a really useful way, right now, even where there are doubts and concerns? Our guest for this episode, Jennie Pakula, thinks the answer is Yes! As long as we're smart, careful and mindful of our ethical obligations. In this episode, Jennie will be sharing some ways of implementing an AI policy that allows you to capitalise on its benefits while staying compliant and mitigating risk. Want to watch this conversation on Youtube? Find it here. | 46m 54s | ||||||
| 12/1/25 | #64 What is a Super Proceeds Trust? | Superannuation and estate planning is a complex enough topic - but when you throw testamentary trusts into the mix, things can get confusing fast! In this episode, I cut through the confusion and explain what a Super Proceeds Trust actually is, how it works, and when to use one to help your clients have their cake and eat it too. We’ll cover: The fundamentals of a Super Proceeds Trust How Super Proceeds Trust fit into your estate plan strategies Why it's such an important tool for managing super death benefits when using testamentary trusts When it makes sense to use one (and when it doesn’t) This episode will help it all make sense — and give you practical takeaways you can use straight away. | 36m 20s | ||||||
| 11/24/25 | #63 When a TT is OTT | You’ve heard me sing the praises of testamentary trusts. They’re a powerful protection vehicle that offer once in a life-time tax benefits. But sometimes? They’re just plain over the top. In this episode, I’m flipping the usual script and talking about when a testamentary trust might not deliver on its promise. While testamentary trusts are one of my favourite tools, great estate planning isn’t about adding more for the sake of it; it's about truly understanding the benefits we can deliver to testators and beneficiaries. The Youtube video mentioned in this episode can be viewed here. | 26m 54s | ||||||
| 11/17/25 | #62 Why Your Personal EPOA Won’t Protect Your Firm | Getting excited about your well-earned Christmas break? There's just one more thing I need you to add to your end of year checklist... the final piece of the puzzle that every law firm owner needs to have sorted - especially if you’re the sole director of an incorporated legal practice (ILP). Because here’s the catch: Your personal enduring power of attorney doesn’t cover your law firm. And your law society or institute can’t step in without proper authority. In this episode, I explain why this gap in your risk management could become a disaster if something unexpected happens, and how an Entity Power of Attorney can fix it. We’ll cover: Why your law firm needs its own emergency triage plan How an Entity POA protects your business, staff, and clients if you’re suddenly unavailable What the law society/institute and insurer actually needs to take control if the worst happens How to put this protection in place quickly (so you can relax over Christmas) Ready to get it sorted? Our Entity Power of Attorney precedent has everything you need. | 36m 08s | ||||||
| 11/10/25 | #61 Estate planning for couples: When should a testamentary trust start? | When preparing wills for couples, one of the trickiest questions to navigate is when the testamentary trust should actually begin. Should it start after the first death, or wait until both spouses have passed? In this episode, I unpack the considerations behind this decision, because while there’s no one-size-fits-all answer, getting the timing right can make a big difference to the tax outcomes and asset protection for families. | 28m 11s | ||||||
| 11/3/25 | #60 Minors Trusts vs TDTs: The Costs of Choosing the Wrong Trust | Many Australians (and even some professionals) assume a minor’s trust will do the job when it comes to looking after young beneficiaries. It sounds simple, it feels safe — but in reality, it’s often a missed opportunity. In this episode, I unpack why settling for a minor’s trust can mean your clients (and their families) lose out on major tax, control, and protection benefits that a testamentary discretionary trust could have delivered. If your clients are still opting for the “basic” will option, this episode will help you explain why a testamentary discretionary trust is often the smarter, safer choice. | 36m 16s | ||||||
| 10/27/25 | #59 What is a trust? | Sometimes we’re so busy diving into the technical weeds of estate planning that we forget to zoom out and make sure the basics are crystal clear. So in this episode, we’re going back to square one: What exactly is a trust? I cover Trusts 101: no jargon, no eye rolls, just the core principles every estate planning lawyer (and their clients) needs to understand. | 37m 41s | ||||||
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