The CX Cast

Enterprise CX transformation rarely starts with journey maps or dashboards. It starts with fixing real problems fast. In this episode of CX Cast, Angelina Gennis and Martin Gill speak with Amory Somers‑Vine, Customer Experience Director at Expereo, about leading customer‑centric change during a major B2B business model shift—from wholesale network services to enterprise partnerships. Amory shares how Expereo: Prioritised CX improvements based on live customer issues, not theory Built a customer health model from frontline insight before formal metrics Used behaviour‑led culture change to win hearts, not just compliance Linked customer experience (CX) directly to employee experience (EX) and growth Scaled trust and partnership in a highly technical, high‑risk B2B environment This conversation is a practical playbook for CX leaders operating in complex B2B services, infrastructure, or technology‑heavy environments navigating transformation under pressure. Amory Somers‑Vine is Customer Experience Director at Expereo, a managed network service provider supporting global enterprises. She leads CX strategy, culture, and customer health across the organisation.

In this episode, hear how hosts Angelina Gennis and Martin Gill use Forrester's research to design immersive, game‑based experiences for our CX Forums that move leaders from theory to action.

Customer complaints are not noise. They are high‑fidelity signals of broken expectations, rising risk, and lost value. In this episode of CX Cast, Principal Analyst Riccardo Pasto joins Martin Gill to reframe how leaders should re-think about complaints from a compliance burden to a strategic CX asset. The conversation breaks down why low complaint volumes can be a warning sign, how complaint costs quietly multiply across churn, brand damage, and employee burnout, and what it really takes to turn complaint data into action across silos. We cover: Why complaints signal customer trust, not failure How to identify the true direct and indirect cost of poor complaint handling How broken ownership and siloed metrics block resolution How to use the "Four Rs" of complaint management value: Repair relationships. Redesign experiences. Reshape culture. Regulate risk. Where CX, service, compliance, and product teams must align to fix root causes

Many CX teams say they are journey‑led. Fewer can prove the value of those journeys. In this episode, Angelina Gennis and Martin Gill speak with Maxie Schmidt, VP and Principal Analyst at Forrester, about how to reboot journey measurement so it drives decisions, rather than populates dashboards. We examine how to move beyond end‑of‑journey surveys and NPS to focus on measuring what actually matters: value for the customer and value for the business. We cover: Why end‑of‑journey surveys are lagging and often misleading The three levels of CX measurement: relationship, journey, and touchpoint How to define journey value using strength and stability The difference between success metrics and signal metrics How to design metrics around journey goals, not default scores Where benchmarking helps — and where it distracts

Growth makes coordination of customer problems harder - whatever your product. If your product is physical, the journey is daily, and customers are forming new habits, the "coordination tax" can erode both customer and employee experiences. In this episode, CX Cast co-host Angelina Gennis speaks with Cassidy Grace, CX Manager at Ridepanda about what it takes to scale CX in a B2B2C model without losing warmth, clarity, or trust. Casidy explains why CX is where "strategy meets human messiness" and they both react to data provided by Front on coordination tax. Key takeaways include: Where to intentionally invest human time in customer experiences to reduce friction later How measuring coordination - not just tickets - unlocks better CX decisions How to avoid scaling inefficiency as you navigate growth in complex, cross-functional environments.

AI‑mediated search is rapidly becoming a primary entry point for financial decisions. Customers now start their banking journeys with LLM platforms, not branded sites — and they trust these tools enough to ask sophisticated, advice level questions. Solo host Martin Gill speaks with principal analyst Aurelie L’Hostis to break down this shift and what leaders must do now. Aurelie shares new data on how consumers use third‑party AI assistants for banking queries, why trust is shifting, and how AI‑powered search is reducing human traffic to brand websites. She also outlines the coming rise of agent‑to‑agent interactions and the backstage capabilities that banks must develop before conversational banking can scale.

CX leadership demands more than functional expertise. It requires curiosity to uncover what others overlook, courage to ask bold questions, and communication that connects CX work to business outcomes. Angelina Gennis talks with Principal Analyst, Judy Weader and VP, Principal Analyst, Katy Tynan, about how leaders at every level build influence and move organizations toward customer‑focused change. They cover: How the Three C’s of curiosity, courage, and communication show up in effective CX leadership. Why CX leaders must translate customer experience (CX) into business language that resonates with CFOs and executive sponsors. How leadership expectations shift from individual contributor to manager to executive. Why storytelling, vision setting, and strategic alignment remain the most underdeveloped leadership skills on CX teams. How mentorship, self‑assessment, and structured development accelerate a leader’s growth. This episode is essential for anyone looking to elevate their leadership impact and build credibility with senior stakeholders.

CX leaders struggle to create strategy days, roadshows, and training that people actually remember. Game design can fix that. Co‑hosts Martin Gill and Angelina Gennis speak with Tim van den Boomen, an interaction designer who creates escape rooms and immersive learning environments for brands. Tim shows how game mechanics, player archetypes, and simple physical props can transform low‑engagement CX moments into high‑impact experiences. Listeners will learn: How “explorers”, “achievers”, “socialisers”, and “killers” shape engagement — and how to design for all four. How to create a “magic circle” that shifts people out of meeting mode and into active participation. How to use props, constraints, time limits, and physicality to build memorable CX learning. How to apply experience‑room techniques to culture change, strategy rollout, and journey education. How to deliver impact even with limited budget, space, or resources.

Jorissa Neutelings, ABN AMRO’s Chief Digital Officer, discusses the bank’s bold vision for becoming a liquid company: a fully adaptable, hyper‑personal, modular, and conversational organization that meets customers exactly where they are. Jorissa explains why trust, transparency, and intentional friction are essential in a digital world shaped by AI, agents, and rising fraud risks. Featuring Jorissa Neutelings, Chief Digital Officer, ABN AMRO Show Notes Jorissa Neutelings, ABN AMRO’s Chief Digital Officer, discusses the bank’s bold vision for becoming a liquid company: a fully adaptable, hyper‑personal, modular, and conversational organization that meets customers exactly where they are. Jorissa explains why trust, transparency, and intentional friction are essential in a digital world shaped by AI, agents, and rising fraud risks. We discuss: What a liquid company is and how it enables ABN AMRO to meet customers where their needs begin How three pillars of digital strategy allow ABN AMRO to architect journeys based on customer behavior The role of intentional friction in building trust The era of serving the "lazy customer"

Co-hosts Martin Gill and Angelina Gennis reflect on the past year of CX Cast episodes, including coverage of evolving themes like AI and insights-rich interviews with over 20 external guests. But 2026 will be bigger, with new live events and ever-expanding research coverage. What's a gaming expert got to enhance your roadshows? Why's Martin heading to Amsterdam? Find out - and then hit subscribe to catch every episode of 2026!

Charles Sustaita, Director of Customer Support at Coastline Academy, joins Angelina and Martin to discuss the imperative for AI leaders to fully embrace AI as a transformative technology for business efficiency and connectivity. The discussion highlights the importance of analytics, translation, and the concept of agentic work in leveraging AI for enhanced performance.

Hot off the back of the recent publication of Forrester’s Customer Journey Management (CJM) Wave™, VP, principal analyst Joana de Quintanilla joins Martin Gill to talk all things CJM. We shifted the category name this time round from “journey mapping” to “journey management,” which reflects some tangible trends we’ve been seeing in the market.