The Dare to Multiply Podcast

You can be busy. You can even be growing. And still not be multiplying. In this episode, Cynthia talks honestly about what it actually costs to move from addition to multiplication — not the theory, but the moment you have to let go of a system you built, invested in, and were proud of, because it wasn't producing what it looked like it should. She walks through two patterns many leaders don't even realize they're still running on: a structure built for slow, careful addition, and a discipleship habit — going deep with one person, alone — that can quietly block the very multiplication it's meant to produce. This works the same whether you're leading a congregation in the Midwest or training leaders in a movement context overseas. The system is just dressed differently. Grab the free 3 Mindset Shifts guide at: resources.daretomultiply.com/3mindsetshifts.

In this insightful conversation, Cynthia and Cory Hartman of New Generations explore how Disciple‑Making Movement terminology has developed, evolved, and continues to shift as God is at work around the world. Listeners will gain a clearer understanding of commonly used movement terms, their historical context, and why language matters for those engaged in disciple‑making today.

Why does it sometimes feel like pursuing God’s call to multiply disciples comes at the expense of our intimacy and abiding with Jesus? In this interview, David Cervenka, a movement practitioner and former team leader in Japan and strategy coordinator for Greater Austin Mission Society, shares the lessons he has learned from God through a season of burnout and restoration in the Lord. What does it look like to pursue movement in the timing of the Holy Spirit? How do we make God’s love for us our primary joy over visible fruit in ministry? How does loving our families and our children flow into multiplication work? How do we pursue great works for God without losing our souls?

What if church wasn’t a place—but everyday obedience to Jesus lived out by ordinary people? In this episode, we interview Lucas Pulley, the executive director of the Underground Network. we explore the Underground movement, a global network of 100+ microchurches—worshiping communities sent to obey God’s calling, multiply disciples, and pursue justice among the poor and oppressed. We challenge the idea that speed and impact come from gathering bigger crowds, and instead show how lasting multiplication happens when every believer faithfully obeys their calling over time and the whole network bears fruit together. We also discuss how a simple, minimum definition of church empowers ordinary people to take bold risks for Jesus, how justice and antiracism are woven into the DNA of microchurch life, and how networked microchurches help one another persevere through shared leadership, encouragement, and mutual support—along with practical best practices for getting started.