DEBATE: IVF, Surrogacy, & Donor Babies | Miracle or Moral Dilemma? Pro IVF vs. Anti IVF Women Clash

About this episode

A debate on the ethical implications of IVF, surrogacy, and donor conception featuring Kayde Mason and Katy Faust.

In this episode of The Ellen Fisher Podcast, I sit down with Kayde Mason and Katy Faust for a raw debate on IVF, surrogacy, and donor conception—are these modern paths to parenthood crossing ethical lines, or worth celebrating? Kayde Mason, a surrogate, 5x egg donor, and founder of Surrogate Support, shares her personal experience helping families have children, while Katy Faust, founder of Them Before Us, brings a powerful critique of the fertility industry through the lens of children’s rights. Is IVF and surrogacy a compassionate path to parenthood—or are there deeper ethical questions we’re avoiding? This conversation dives into the emotional, moral, and societal implications of creating life through modern fertility practices, asking whether everything that’s possible should be pursued—and if true common ground can exist in such a deeply divided space. Sponsors: Ra Optics enter the code ELLENFISHER for 10% off your order or use my link Anima Mundi Herbals : Enter the code ELLEN for 15% off your first Anima Mundi Herbals order Cozy Earth : enter the code ELLEN for up to 20% off your order at Cozy Earth Brave Books : Get 20% off the Book Club — and enjoy FREE full access to…

People in this episode

Host: Ellen Fisher

Guests: Kayde Mason, Katy Faust

Topics covered

• IVF
• surrogacy
• donor conception
• ethical debate
• parenthood
• children's rights

Keywords

• IVF
• surrogacy
• donor babies
• ethical debate
• parenthood
• fertility industry
• children's rights

Sponsors

Ra Optics, Anima Mundi Herbals, Cozy Earth, Brave Books

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Surrogate Support, Them Before Us

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