A Good Life Is An Inside Job. Exploring Deep Self Design with Sun (Kagami) Brown

About this episode

The episode features a conversation with Sun (Kagami) Brown about Deep Self Design and the philosophy of joyful trust in productive discomfort.

In this episode, we sit down with Sun (Kagami) Brown for a wide-ranging conversation on the art of Deep Self Design — exploring everything from the Doodle Revolution and gamestorming to collaboration literacy, inner engineering, juicy messiness, and the practice of becoming your own best friend. One of our favorite ideas Sunni shares is shoshaku jushaku — a Zen Buddhist concept often translated as “one continuous mistake.” While it might sound negative, Sunni reframes it as a philosophy of joyful trust in productive discomfort — a mindset that can transform how we approach both our inner and outer worlds. Named one of the “100 Most Creative People in Business” and “10 Most Creative People on Twitter” by Fast Company , Sunni has sparked a global movement around visual thinking and is widely credited with popularizing doodling as a tool for deeper inquiry. Her TED Talk has been viewed more than 1.6 million times, and her work has appeared in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, TIME, WIRED, Entrepreneur , and more. She’s been featured on CBS Sunday Morning (twice!) and The TODAY Show , and now leads as CEO of the Center for Deep Self Design . Listen in for a rich, inspiring…

People in this episode

Guest: Sun (Kagami) Brown

Topics covered

• Deep Self Design
• inner engineering
• visual thinking
• collaboration literacy
• personal development
• mindset transformation

Keywords

• Deep Self Design
• shoshaku jushaku
• Doodle Revolution
• gamestorming
• productive discomfort
• visual thinking
• inner and outer worlds

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Center for Deep Self Design, Fast Company, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, TIME, WIRED, Entrepreneur, CBS Sunday Morning, The TODAY Show

Books & works: TED Talk

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