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News Pod #24 - How Lenders Win When AI Calls the Shots
Jun 26, 2026
35m 09s
E051 - Real Talk On How Long It Takes To Get Into Big Affiliate Platforms
Jun 24, 2026
15m 38s
News Pod #23 - Pagaya Sues Klarna for (Allegedly) Stealing Its Underwriting Model
Jun 19, 2026
14m 06s
News Pod #22 - JD Power Sues Chime + A Preview of Our Sept 23rd Event In SF
Jun 12, 2026
16m 17s
News Pod #21 - Cash Flow Underwriting Distribution - Carlos and Nick Continue The Convo...
Jun 5, 2026
14m 57s
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| 6/26/26 | ![]() News Pod #24 - How Lenders Win When AI Calls the Shots | Nick and Carlos discuss an Editorial piece recently published in The Free Toaster Newsletterhttps://www.thefreetoaster.com/p/how-lenders-win-when-ai-calls-the The premise of the conversation -- an LLM-based personal finance tool is going to be the most effective/useful way for consumers to shop for cards and lending products.Given that future, how should CMOs at lending companies be thinking about their long-term strategy?****** The Affiliate Marketing Summit For LendersSan Francisco - September 23rd & 24th 150-person, curated room Early bird tickets ($999) end August 1Learn more: events.thefreetoaster.com ***** Sign Up For Our Newsletter The Free Toaster Newsletter ships every Wednesday at www.thefreetoaster.com, curating the biggest stories at the intersection of consumer lending, marketing, and technology. ******Please Support Our Sponsors Spinwheel: Reduce friction in your lending application with just two fields—phone number and birthdate. Spinwheel’s APIs boost application rates by 20-30% while also providing real-time credit data and seamless payment processing. Want to see it in action? Connect with their Head of Growth for a demo! https://spinwheel.io/partner/?utm_source=freetoaster&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=june Fintel Connect Drive thousands of new accounts and billions in deposits with the only partner marketing solution built for fintech and banking – your all-in-one affiliate platform, partner network, agency, and marketing compliance engine. https://partner.fintelconnect.com/get-to-know-fintel-connect?utm_campaign=13897733-2025%20Partners&utm_source=The%20Free%20Toaster&utm_medium=podcast Bulldog Media Group:Bulldog Media Group is a leading performance marketing company that specializes in online customer acquisition for clients in the financial services industry. Since 2000, they have focused on financial services digital marketing as their core niche. https://www.bulldogmediagroup.com/ New Market Growth (Carlos’ agency)NMG focuses on building affiliate marketing programs for consumer lenders.www.newmarketgrowth.com | 35m 09s | ||||||
| 6/24/26 | ![]() E051 - Real Talk On How Long It Takes To Get Into Big Affiliate Platforms | Most lenders underestimate how long it takes to get onto a major affiliate platform. The honest answer is 6 to 12 months. Sometimes 18. If one of these channels is on your 2027 roadmap, you need to start now. In this solo episode, Carlos breaks down the five phases that explain the timeline: Internal prep. Do you have a competitive product and funnel? Get your application rate above 40%. Card issuers need 70 to 80% approval rates, which implies serious work on model alignment. Personal loan lenders need a dialed-in funding rate, too. Getting the partner's attention. A single intro call can take a month or two. BD teams are busy and you are not their priority unless you are already on their short list. Getting them on board. Adding you usually redistributes revenue across their existing lenders rather than growing their top line. The business case looks very different for you than for them. The deal. NDAs, contracts, and cross-functional review. Most terms are standardized. Lenders new to the game often redline anyway and lose months for little gain. The partner does the work. Engineering and onboarding queues are out of your hands. Add it up and you're waiting 6 to 12 months for a single lead. Plan accordingly! ***** The Affiliate Marketing Summit For LendersSan Francisco - September 23rd & 24th 150-person, curated room Early bird tickets ($999) end August 1Learn more: events.thefreetoaster.com ***** Sign Up For Our Newsletter The Free Toaster Newsletter ships every Wednesday at www.thefreetoaster.com, curating the biggest stories at the intersection of consumer lending, marketing, and technology. ******Please Support Our Sponsors Fintel Connect Drive thousands of new accounts and billions in deposits with the only partner marketing solution built for fintech and banking – your all-in-one affiliate platform, partner network, agency, and marketing compliance engine. https://partner.fintelconnect.com/get-to-know-fintel-connect?utm_campaign=13897733-2025%20Partners&utm_source=The%20Free%20Toaster&utm_medium=podcast Bulldog Media Group:Bulldog Media Group is a leading performance marketing company that specializes in online customer acquisition for clients in the financial services industry. Since 2000, they have focused on financial services digital marketing as their core niche. https://www.bulldogmediagroup.com/ Spinwheel: Reduce friction in your lending application with just two fields—phone number and birthdate. Spinwheel’s APIs boost application rates by 20-30% while also providing real-time credit data and seamless payment processing. Want to see it in action? Connect with their Head of Growth for a demo! https://spinwheel.io/partner/?utm_source=freetoaster&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=june New Market Growth (Carlos’ agency)NMG focuses on building affiliate marketing programs for consumer lenders.www.newmarketgrowth.com | 15m 38s | ||||||
| 6/19/26 | ![]() News Pod #23 - Pagaya Sues Klarna for (Allegedly) Stealing Its Underwriting Model | Pagaya filed a lawsuit against Klarna for (allegedly) stealing is underwriting. Carlos & Nick discuss the implications for fintech marketers that share their underwriting policies with affiliate marketing platforms.Today's episode expands on coverage from this week's Newsletter. https://www.thefreetoaster.com/p/pagaya-sues-klarna-for-allegedly ***** The Affiliate Marketing Summit For LendersSan Francisco - September 23rd & 24th 150-person, curated room Early bird tickets end August 1Learn more: events.thefreetoaster.com ***** Sign Up For Our Newsletter The Free Toaster Newsletter ships every Wednesday at www.thefreetoaster.com, curating the biggest stories at the intersection of consumer lending, marketing, and technology. ******Please Support Our Sponsors Bulldog Media Group:Bulldog Media Group is a leading performance marketing company that specializes in online customer acquisition for clients in the financial services industry. Since 2000, they have focused on financial services digital marketing as their core niche. https://www.bulldogmediagroup.com/ Spinwheel: Reduce friction in your lending application with just two fields—phone number and birthdate. Spinwheel’s APIs boost application rates by 20-30% while also providing real-time credit data and seamless payment processing. Want to see it in action? Connect with their Head of Growth for a demo! https://spinwheel.io/partner/?utm_source=freetoaster&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=june Fintel Connect Drive thousands of new accounts and billions in deposits with the only partner marketing solution built for fintech and banking – your all-in-one affiliate platform, partner network, agency, and marketing compliance engine. https://partner.fintelconnect.com/get-to-know-fintel-connect?utm_campaign=13897733-2025%20Partners&utm_source=The%20Free%20Toaster&utm_medium=podcast | 14m 06s | ||||||
| 6/12/26 | ![]() News Pod #22 - JD Power Sues Chime + A Preview of Our Sept 23rd Event In SF | JD Power sued Chime in the Southern District of New York over its "America's #1 choice for banking" campaign, alleging breach of contract, trademark infringement, and false advertising. Carlos and Nick discuss, expanding on the coverage in this week’s Edition of The Free Toaster Newsletter. Carlos & Nick discuss the Affiliate Marketing Summit for Lenders, September 23, sponsored by Experian and Engine by Gen. We talk about the open questions shaping the day: the future of search, who's native to AI, the important of human signal in a content flood, lender unit economics and the new bank formation wave, cross-channel attribution, and whether AI improves or replaces the partnership role. The Affiliate Marketing Summit For Lenders 150-person, curated room Early bird tickets end August 1Learn more: events.thefreetoaster.com ***** Sign Up For Our Newsletter The Free Toaster Newsletter ships every Wednesday at www.thefreetoaster.com, curating the biggest stories at the intersection of consumer lending, marketing, and technology. ******Please Support Our Sponsors Bulldog Media Group:Bulldog Media Group is a leading performance marketing company that specializes in online customer acquisition for clients in the financial services industry. Since 2000, they have focused on financial services digital marketing as their core niche. https://www.bulldogmediagroup.com/ Spinwheel: Reduce friction in your lending application with just two fields—phone number and birthdate. Spinwheel’s APIs boost application rates by 20-30% while also providing real-time credit data and seamless payment processing. Want to see it in action? Connect with their Head of Growth for a demo! https://spinwheel.io/partner/?utm_source=freetoaster&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=june Fintel Connect Drive thousands of new accounts and billions in deposits with the only partner marketing solution built for fintech and banking – your all-in-one affiliate platform, partner network, agency, and marketing compliance engine. https://partner.fintelconnect.com/get-to-know-fintel-connect?utm_campaign=13897733-2025%20Partners&utm_source=The%20Free%20Toaster&utm_medium=podcast | 16m 17s | ||||||
| 6/5/26 | ![]() News Pod #21 - Cash Flow Underwriting Distribution - Carlos and Nick Continue The Convo...✨ | Cash Flow UnderwritingAffiliate Marketing+3 | CarlosNick | The Free ToasterBulldog Media Group | San Francisco | Cash Flow UnderwritingAffiliate Marketing Summit+4 | Spinwheelfreetoaster | 14m 57s | |
| 5/29/26 | ![]() News Pod #20 - What Would It Take To Scale Cash Flow Based Lending?✨ | cash flow lendingdistribution+3 | — | The Free ToasterSpinwheel | San Francisco | cash flow lendingdistribution+5 | Fintel Connect | 39m 30s | |
| 5/22/26 | ![]() News Pod #19 - With the New Plaid Integration, ChatGPT is Now a Distribution Channel for Personal Finance✨ | personal financeaffiliate marketing+4 | CarlosNick | Credit KarmaExperian+5 | — | ChatGPTPlaid integration+6 | Bulldog Media Group | 20m 50s | |
| 5/22/26 | ![]() E050 - Jeff Keltner on AI for Business Development, NerdWallet's Drop, and the Future of Affiliate Channels✨ | AI in business developmentaffiliate marketing+4 | Jeff Keltner | ClaudeCowork+6 | — | AIbusiness development+6 | — | 49m 20s | |
| 5/15/26 | ![]() News Pod #18 - NerdWallet's Q1 '26 Earnings: Why Is The Stock Down 30%?✨ | NerdWallet earningsstock market analysis+3 | — | NerdWallet | San Francisco | NerdWalletearnings report+3 | New Market Growth | 19m 47s | |
| 5/8/26 | ![]() News Pod #17 - SoFi's Q1 2026 Earnings Report - With Special Guest Rachel Lauren, Co-Founder and COO at Debbie✨ | earnings reportconsumer lending+3 | Rachel Lauren | SoFiDebbie | — | SoFiearnings report+4 | SpinwheelCODE | 15m 56s | |
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| 5/6/26 | ![]() E049 - Deep Dive With Zak Ali, General Manager of Finder's US Business✨ | financial comparisonSEO+3 | Zak Ali | FinderGoogle+1 | — | FinderZak Ali+6 | Bulldog Media Group | 1h 31m 32s | |
| 5/4/26 | ![]() E048 - Q&A on Application Friction - Nick interviews Carlos✨ | application frictionlending+3 | Carlos Caro | New Market Growth | NYC | application flowsfintech summit+3 | Bulldog Media Group | 12m 29s | |
| 5/1/26 | ![]() News Pod #16 - OnePay, Credit One x Bright Money, and Aven's BTC Play✨ | credit builder cardembedded banking integration+3 | — | Bitcoin-backed VisaOnePay+3 | San Francisco | OnePayCredit One Bank+5 | Spinwheelfreetoaster | 10m 06s | |
| 4/24/26 | ![]() News Pod #15 - OpenAI Acquires Hiro Finance✨ | OpenAIHiro Finance+4 | — | OpenAIHiro Finance+1 | — | OpenAIHiro Finance+4 | SpinwheelCODE | 19m 13s | |
| 4/17/26 | ![]() News Pod #14 - Wells Fargo Books 631,000 New Credit Card Accounts in Q1 2026 - How Did They Do It?✨ | credit card accountsWells Fargo+3 | — | Wells Fargo | — | Wells Fargocredit card accounts+3 | SpinwheelCODE | 11m 19s | |
| 4/15/26 | ![]() E047 - Eliminating Friction in the Lending Funnel, with Rachael Olson, Former Head Of Product Strategy at Discover✨ | lending funnelproduct strategy+3 | Rachael Olson | Discover | — | lendingfriction+5 | — | 1h 08m 43s | |
| 4/11/26 | ![]() News Pod #13 - Experian No Ding Decline, American + Citi CoBrand, and Cash App P2P News✨ | credit cardspersonal loans+4 | Amanda Braslow | ExperianCapital One+4 | San FranciscoChicago+3 | ExperianCiti+8 | — | 18m 57s | |
| 4/4/26 | ![]() E046 - Affiliate Marketing For Deposit Accounts - With Alana Levine, CRO at Fintel Connect✨ | affiliate marketingdeposit accounts+5 | Alana Levine | Fintel | — | affiliate marketingdeposit accounts+6 | Fintel Connect | 51m 28s | |
| 3/27/26 | ![]() News Pod #12 - Upgrade's Launch of Boost Money with John Doppke, VP of Product at Upgrade✨ | financial productscash advances+3 | John Doppke | UpgradeLending Club | — | Boost Moneyfinancial account+4 | Fintel Connect13897733-2025 Partners | 21m 55s | |
| 3/25/26 | ![]() E045 - Rakesh Patel, EVP of the Experian Marketplace✨ | consumer marketplacesfinancial services+5 | Rakesh Patel | Experian MarketplaceExperian | — | Experian Marketplacefinancial co-pilot+5 | Spinwheelfreetoaster | 44m 41s | |
| 3/23/26 | ![]() E044 - Direct Mail in Consumer Lending With Dennis Fish and John Minalga of the ICS Corporation✨ | direct mailconsumer lending+4 | Dennis FishJohn Minalga | ICS CorporationUSPS | New York City | direct mailconsumer lending+5 | — | 41m 31s | |
| 3/20/26 | ![]() News Pod #11 - Are Credit Card Balances At A Record High Or Flat Over The Last 10 Years? | Carlos and Nick sit with Kelvin Chen, Head of Policy at the Consumer Bankers Association. We discuss Kelvin's recent post on LinkedIn that challenges a commonly cited fact in the media that credit card balances are at record highs.Kelvin's LinkedIn post below: "Is the consumer in trouble, or is the math just misleading? 🤔Multiple times a day, we hear affordability stories about consumers struggling with "record-high" credit card debt ($1.28 trillion). But that math is missing two massive variables:💳 39 million more cardholders since 2017.📈 A 40% increase in the cost of goods since 2014 ($1.00 then = $1.40 today).Once you adjust for inflation and a larger cardholder base, the real per-cardholder balance has actually stayed flat—and even dipped by about $75—over the last decade.At CBA, we believe serious debate requires starting from the same facts. That’s why we’ve published this analysis using public data—with the methodology open and the math checkable by anyone.Skeptical of research from a trade association? Good. That skepticism is why we’ve published every assumption.Read more here: https://consumerbankers.com/blog/facts-matter-once-adjusted-for-inflation-consumers-credit-card-balances-have-remained-largely-flat-for-a-decade/ " ***** Sign up for The Free Toaster Newsletter (www.thefreetoaster.com) to get our curated news at the intersection of consumer lending & marketing, published every Wednesday.And then come here on Fridays to get our hot takes on a select story (or two) from that edition. ***** To support The Free Toaster Podcast, please visit our sponsors: A word from our sponsor, Bulldog Media Group:Bulldog Media Group is a leading performance marketing company that specializes in online customer acquisition for clients in the financial services industry. Since 2000, they have focused on financial services digital marketing as their core niche. https://www.bulldogmediagroup.com/ A word from our sponsor, Spinwheel: Reduce friction in your lending application with just two fields—phone number and birthdate. Spinwheel’s APIs boost application rates by 20-30% while also providing real-time credit data and seamless payment processing. Want to see it in action? Connect with their Head of Growth for a demo! https://spinwheel.io/partner/?utm_source=freetoaster&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=feb A word from our sponsor, Fintel Connect Drive thousands of new accounts and billions in deposits with the only partner marketing solution built for fintech and banking – your all-in-one affiliate platform, partner network, agency, and marketing compliance engine. https://partner.fintelconnect.com/get-to-know-fintel-connect?utm_campaign=13897733-2025%20Partners&utm_source=The%20Free%20Toaster&utm_medium=podcast A word from our sponsor, New Market Growth: New Market Growth helps fintech consumer lenders generate explosive growth on affiliate marketing channels like Credit Karma, Experian Marketplace, LendingTree, and others.Affiliate marketing involves marketing & credit risk expertise, and NMG's founders bring this with 21+ years of lending experience and 8+ years experience as executive affiliate operators. If you'd like help planning or implementing your affiliate marketing strategy, email us at carlos@newmarketgrowth.com | 20m 45s | ||||||
| 3/19/26 | ![]() E043 - Carlos' Appearance on the LendAPI Podcast With Tim Li | [Show notes reposted below from the LendAPI Podcast] The Free Toaster Podcast is sponsored by: -Fintel Connect -Spinwheel -Bulldog Media Group***** LendAPI Partner Podcast with Carlos Caro, Managing Partner & Founder of New Market Growth Guest: Carlos Caro Host: Timothy Li In this episode of the LendAPI Partner Podcast, host Timothy Li, Founder & CEO of LendAPI, sits down with Carlos Caro, Founder of New Market Growth, to discuss the complex and rapidly evolving landscape of consumer lending. Carlos shares his deep industry expertise, detailing how lenders can successfully navigate the challenges of listing on popular affiliate platforms, the critical importance of balancing lead quality with volume, and the significance of building a strong professional network. What You’ll Learn: The real challenge of getting listed on major platforms like LendingTree or Credit Karma, and why Carlos often has to turn down 85% of lenders who approach him for placement. Why striking a balance between acquiring a high volume of leads and ensuring those leads are of top quality is essential, especially as platforms prioritize customer welfare and competitive rates. The importance of "Market Fit" and understanding the specific requirements of each platform, tailoring your offerings to match traditional products like mortgages or personal loans. How embracing innovation—such as leveraging blockchain technology for new, high-reward credit cards—can help differentiate your products in a crowded market. Actionable strategies for success, including focusing on customer needs, attending industry events, collaborating with other businesses, and staying ahead of market trends and regulatory shifts. About New Market Growth New Market Growth is a specialized consulting firm that helps lenders connect with powerful affiliate marketing channels to drive customer acquisition. Founded by Carlos Caro, who brings a rich background in lending and marketing from his time working with major financial institutions, the firm assists lenders in navigating the highly competitive consumer finance space. They focus on bridging the gap between innovative lending products and key acquisition platforms, ensuring lenders can effectively reach and serve their target markets. | 44m 55s | ||||||
| 3/17/26 | ![]() E042 - Celebrity Fintech, Before Mr. Beast, Hosted By Alex Johnson (Reposted From Fintech Takes) | REPOSTED FROM FINTECH TAKES. Alex's show notes below. I hope you enjoy! -Carlos*****Welcome back to Fintech Takes. I'm Alex Johnson, joined again by Carlos Caro (author of the Free Toaster newsletter and host of the Free Toaster podcast) to continue the conversation we started on Carlos’s podcast about MrBeast's acquisition of Step and what it means for the fintech ecosystem. This episode picks up where we left off, by looking to the past. If you think you’ve found a new idea in financial services, you probably just haven’t done enough research yet. Celebrity fintech, especially fintech built for underserved consumers, is no exception. In this Part 2 episode, Carlos and I explore three celebrity-backed fintech products from the 2010s era that failed in ways worth understanding for the present: The Kardashian Kard, Justin Bieber's BillMyParents prepaid card, and The Approved Card from Suze Orman. Across all three, similar questions keep popping up: What happens when a celebrity brand collides with the realities of financial services economics? How far can a celebrity brand take a product if the product itself doesn’t make sense for consumers? How much does product-market fit matter if the fee structure feels exploitative? And what can MrBeast learn from the celebrities who tried this before? Tune in for a tour through recent fintech history as we dust off a few forgotten celebrity card experiments from the sands of time, and wonder whether a celebrity brand can succeed in financial services without repeating the same mistakes. This episode is brought to you by Plaid. Most lenders see the value of cash flow data. The hard part is getting started—and knowing what to do with it once you have it. Plaid makes it easy to access real-time cash flow and behavioral insights in seconds, through a familiar experience borrowers already trust. No heavy lift. No added friction. Learn more at www.plaid.com/ftt Sign up for Alex’s Fintech Takes newsletter for the latest insightful analysis on fintech trends, along with a heaping pile of pop culture references and copious footnotes. Every Monday and Thursday: https://workweek.com/brand/fintech-takes/ And for more exclusive insider content, don’t forget to check out my YouTube page. Follow Carlos Caro: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/the-carlos-caro/ Follow Alex Johnson: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgfH47QEwbQmkQlz1V9rQA/videos LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexhjohnsonX: https://www.twitter.com/AlexH_Johnson | 56m 35s | ||||||
| 3/14/26 | ![]() E041 - Tim Li, CEO of LendAPI: In-Store BNPL, Indirect Auto Lending & Building Through Content | Tim Li, CEO of LendAPI, joins Carlos live in the DC studio for a wide-ranging conversation on how LendAPI is quietly becoming the infrastructure layer for modern lending. What We Cover: In-Store Buy Now, Pay Later Most BNPL players are built for online checkout — but 87% of commerce still happens in physical stores. Tim explains how LendAPI landed a major retailer (Sunglass brand Salmoiraghi & Viganò / Sunglass Hut adjacent) as a client looking to build a fully branded, in-store financing experience — complete with loyalty programs, insurance products, and subscription-style payment plans. The key insight: major BNPL players optimize for the transaction, not the shopping experience. Becoming Your Own Lender Tim breaks down how any merchant — from guitar shops to wellness centers — can self-finance customers using LendAPI's platform. High-margin businesses in particular can absorb default risk while collecting a down payment and building customer loyalty. Indirect Auto Lending LendAPI recently certified on RouteOne and DealerTrack, the two dominant auto dealer POS systems. Tim explains why credit unions are ready to ditch legacy LOS providers and what LendAPI offers that incumbents simply can't — speed, flexibility, and zero change-order fees. Building Through Content Tim shares his unfiltered content strategy: no ghostwriters, no AI tools — just 3,000-word blog posts written in 45 minutes at Starbucks on Saturday mornings. Two years in, LendAPI gets 3-4K website visits per day and runs entirely on inbound leads with no sales team. Find Tim Li: LendAPI.com ***** A word from our sponsor, Spinwheel: Reduce friction in your lending application with just two fields—phone number and birthdate. Spinwheel’s APIs boost application rates by 20-30% while also providing real-time credit data and seamless payment processing. Want to see it in action? Connect with their Head of Growth for a demo! https://spinwheel.io/partner/?utm_source=freetoaster&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=mar A word from our sponsor, Fintel Connect Drive thousands of new accounts and billions in deposits with the only partner marketing solution built for fintech and banking – your all-in-one affiliate platform, partner network, agency, and marketing compliance engine. https://partner.fintelconnect.com/get-to-know-fintel-connect?utm_campaign=13897733-2025%20Partners&utm_source=The%20Free%20Toaster&utm_medium=podcast A word from our sponsor, Bulldog Media Group:Bulldog Media Group is a leading performance marketing company that specializes in online customer acquisition for clients in the financial services industry. Since 2000, they have focused on financial services digital marketing as their core niche. https://www.bulldogmediagroup.com/To support The Free Toaster Podcast, please visit our sponsors: A word from our sponsor, New Market Growth: New Market Growth helps fintech consumer lenders generate explosive growth on affiliate marketing channels like Credit Karma, Experian Marketplace, LendingTree, and others.Affiliate marketing involves marketing & credit risk expertise, and NMG's founders bring this with 21+ years of lending experience and 8+ years experience as executive affiliate operators. If you'd like help planning or implementing your affiliate marketing strategy, email us at carlos@newmarketgrowth.com | 57m 05s | ||||||
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