The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

What if everything you believe about your brain inevitably slowing down with age is simply wrong, and you have far more control than you ever imagined? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with neuroscientist, performance coach, and self-described "elite-level professional nerd" Dr. Tommy Wood to dismantle the myth that cognitive decline is destiny. Drawing on his work treating brain injury, advising Formula 1 drivers, and his new book, “The Stimulated Mind,” Dr. Wood lays out a simple framework for keeping your brain sharp at any age, and explains why the small, daily inputs matter far more than you think. For high performers running hard and recovering little, this is the wake-up call your brain has been waiting for. Here's what you'll learn: Why your brain can adapt and improve at any age, and how your expectations alone can change the outcome How to apply the three-S model (stimulus, supply, support) to protect cognitive function for life What it takes to use AI as a tool that sharpens your skills instead of quietly eroding them Your brain is not on a fixed downward path, and this episode is your blueprint for proving it. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:27) Becoming a Neuroscientist (00:05:32) What Is a Healthy Brain? (00:07:56) Does Aging Slow You Down? (00:11:30) The 3-S Model for Brain Health (00:17:59) Shifting the Aging Mindset (00:22:40) The Minimum Effective Dose (00:28:16) Does AI Make You Dumber? (00:36:59) Learning Faster as an Adult (00:42:38) Why Your Brain Needs Connection (00:49:56) Inside the Minds of F1 Drivers (00:55:42) Where to Start (00:57:48) Being a Game Changer ---- Links & Resources: The Stimulated Mind: Future-Proof Your Brain from Dementia and Stay Sharp at Any Age by Tommy Wood Why Brains Need Friends by Ben Rein Hintsa Performance ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 461. Mastering Biological Fundamentals for Elite Performance with Dr. Kristen Holmes 364. How to Train Your Brain for Unbelievable Success 116. Steven Kotler - Harnessing Neuroscience for Peak Performance

Most people spend twenty years climbing a mountain, reach the top, and realize they never wanted the view. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Robert Glazer to break down why core values are the most underused tool in leadership. They get into where your values actually come from, why you can't coach them into the people you hire, and why most leaders are measuring their teams with the wrong scorecard entirely. If you've ever hit a milestone and felt nothing, this conversation explains why, and what to do about it. Here's what you'll learn: Why your core values were set early in life, and what it costs you to lead without knowing them How to hire for the values people actually live instead of the ones they perform in interviews What separates a real company core value from a poster on the wall nobody believes in The view from the top is only worth it if you picked the right mountain to climb. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:06:07) Where core values come from (00:07:11) Can your values change? (00:09:00) The car-in-a-tunnel analogy (00:11:35) Personal vs. company values (00:16:59) The big three life decisions (00:19:17) Why knowing isn't doing (00:21:25) The four capacities (00:27:36) Money, happiness, and “enough” (00:32:12) Biggest leadership mistakes (00:34:01) Spotting leadership potential (00:38:53) Rethinking the two-week notice (00:43:16) How success gets redefined (00:44:09) What it means to be a game changer ---- Links & Resources: The Compass Within by Robert Glazer Elevate by Robert Glazer The Go-Giver by Bob Burg Arthur Brooks Morgan Housel Traction by Gino Wickman ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 417 - The Secret to Building a Brand People Love with Steve Carse 338. Will Ahmed - From Stress to Success: Optimizing the Entrepreneurial Journey 251. Alex Hormozi - The Power of Humility in Achieving Entrepreneurial Success

What if the same thing that nearly destroyed you is the reason you become unstoppable? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Ken Rideout, world champion marathoner, former Wall Street trader, and recovering addict whose life reads like a story most people wouldn't believe. From a rough, blue-collar upbringing in Massachusetts to winning an ultramarathon across the Gobi Desert, Ken's path has been anything but linear. This conversation digs into how grit actually gets built, why money never filled the void he expected it to, and what it takes to bet on yourself when everyone around you says you can't. Here's what you'll learn: Why toughness isn't something you're born with, and how you can teach it to yourself Why money won't make you happier, even after going from broke to wealthy What it takes to turn a failure into the fire that drives everything after Ken built his comeback one decision at a time, and this episode shows you how to do the same. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:19) Why Ken wrote the memoir (00:04:33) A rough upbringing (00:07:49) Is hustle born or built? (00:09:23) The road to Wall Street (00:14:47) Money, watches, and insecurity (00:16:10) How addiction took hold (00:17:24) The constant struggle to stay sober (00:19:37) Why high achievers are wired differently (00:22:03) Finding endurance sports (00:24:24) Quitting the Ironman World Championships (00:32:10) The race across the Gobi Desert (00:39:15) How he defines success now (00:47:33) What it means to be a game changer ---- Links & Resources: Ken Rideout Everything You Want Is on the Other Side of Hard by Ken Rideout David Goggins Mitchell Hooper Darren Waller Mat Fraser Into Thin Air by Jon Krakauer Elon Musk Jeff Bezos Mark Zuckerberg ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 412. Why Doing Hard Things Is the Ultimate Advantage with Joe De Sena 170. Mat Fraser - The Fittest Man on Earth 141. David Goggins - Never Finished: Unshackle Your Mind and Win the War Within

Elite performance does not come from chasing more hacks. It comes from knowing what matters, cutting what does not, and executing when conditions are not perfect. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Andy Galpin to break down what separates truly high performers from everyone else. From toughness and self-talk to sleep, strength training, and resilience, Dr. Galpin explains why better performance starts with fewer distractions and better constraints. Here's what you'll learn: Why toughness means producing even when the conditions are working against you How to identify the real constraints holding back your energy, focus, and performance What it takes to build resilience through sleep, strength training, and smarter recovery Stop chasing every new protocol. The people who perform at the highest level focus on what actually moves the needle. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:22) What elite performers do differently (00:06:09) Mental toughness and self-talk (00:15:38) Why adaptability beats optimization (00:21:59) What resilience actually means (00:29:19) Why most people fail to improve (00:32:27) Strength training and longevity (00:44:16) Health trends and wasted effort ---- Links & Resources: Dr. Andy Galpin Perform with Dr. Andy Galpin Rick Rubin Methylene blue VO2 max Zone 2 training Hyperbaric oxygen therapy Red light therapy ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 461. Mastering Biological Fundamentals for Elite Performance with Dr. Kristen Holmes 452. AMMA - The Unexpected Truth About Happiness, Work Ethic, and Priorities 435. The 15-Minute Habit That Prevents Attorney Burnout with Leah Lagos

The only way to build the next big thing is to stop trying to copy the last one. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with David Vonderhaar, studio lead at BulletFarm and former studio design director for the Call of Duty franchise, to unpack what it really takes to innovate in a world obsessed with replication. From navigating harsh feedback from passionate audiences to building a studio from the ground up after two decades inside a billion-dollar franchise, David shares the mindset, courage, and conviction required to do things on your own terms. This is a conversation about originality, resilience, and the cost of choosing the harder path. Here's what you'll learn: Why true breakthroughs come from being original, not from copying what's already working How to keep teams engaged under pressure without burning them out What it takes to bet on yourself when walking away from a sure thing If you want to build something that lasts, you have to be willing to build it before anyone else believes in it. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:28) Two Decades at Treyarch (00:03:56) Why He Didn't Retire (00:05:49) Origins in the Arcade (00:10:16) Joining the Call of Duty Machine (00:12:07) The Yearly Release Pressure (00:18:43) Navigating a Toxic Community (00:21:12) The End of the Public-Facing Dev (00:26:57) What Made Call of Duty Iconic (00:28:54) When a Game Loses Its Soul (00:30:27) The Business Broke the Industry (00:36:59) Redefining What AAA Means (00:38:45) What Success Looks Like Now (00:41:59) Building the Right Team ---- Links & Resources: BulletFarm NetEase Games Activision Treyarch Infinity Ward Sledgehammer Games Raven Software Call of Duty X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse Dungeons & Dragons ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 332. Cliff Bleszinski - What the Legal Industry Can Learn From the Gaming Industry 113. Kevin O’Leary - The Entrepreneurial Journey: Inside the Mind of Mr. Wonderful 48. Eric Siu - Leveling Up: How to Master the Game of Life

The fastest way to destroy a great firm is to let standards slip while you scale. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Sam Pond, founder and managing partner of Pond Lehocky Giordano, to break down what it really takes to build a high-performing law firm without losing what made it great in the first place. From leadership under pressure to culture enforcement, delegation, data, and the real ROI of team retreats, this conversation is a masterclass in scaling without becoming bureaucratic. Here's what you'll learn: Why “take care of the client and everything else will take care of itself” is the only scalable North Star How to build a culture that holds under pressure (and what to do the moment you see slippage) What it takes to run a real executive structure, delegate at scale, and still deliver exceptional service The firms that win next are the ones that scale without surrendering what made them great. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:10) Welcome and origin story (00:04:33) Early hustle and entrepreneurship (00:05:59) From adversaries to partners (00:09:18) Mission first, money second (00:11:34) Scaling quality with teams (00:16:13) Retreats, culture, and ROI (00:20:15) Growth metrics and reinvestment (00:24:04) C-suite structure and ops scale (00:28:07) Marketing channels that convert (00:33:20) Adversity, COVID, leadership (00:41:45) Worry, mindset, and perspective (00:44:58) Marriage and shared values (00:46:41) What Sam is most proud of (00:49:42) Closing ---- Links & Resources: Pond Lehocky Giordano John Morgan Jamie Dimon Eagles Autism Foundation Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 247. John Morgan - Fortune Favors the Bold: How to Build a Legal Empire 204. Alexander Shunnarah - The Thin Line Between Success and Failure 182. Randi McGinn - Authenticity is the Advantage

Elite performance is not a personality trait. It is biology, managed intentionally. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Kristen Holmes, Global Head of Human Performance at WHOOP, to talk about what health tracking should actually do for you. They break down how to use wearable data without getting trapped in day-to-day noise, why sleep consistency beats chasing perfect sleep duration, and how recovery drives the capacity you need for clear thinking, stable energy, and better decisions. If you want the upside of high output without the crash that usually follows, this conversation gives you the framework. Here's what you'll learn: How to read your data in a way that supports better decisions, not more second-guessing What a strong baseline looks like across HRV, resting heart rate, respiratory rate, and VO2 max A simple starting point to stabilize sleep and recovery before you chase optimization If you want to perform like an outlier, start living like your biology matters. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:22) Wearables, Data, and Anxiety (00:05:47) HRV, CV, and Adaptation (00:09:55) VO2 Max and "Hard to Die" (00:14:50) LeBron Rules Apply to Everyone (00:16:56) Sleep Consistency Beats Duration (00:20:32) Sleep Debt and "Social Jet Lag" (00:23:01) Why Deep Sleep and REM Matter (00:25:26) Light Diet and Circadian Alignment (00:28:55) Why "Recovery" Isn't the Couch (00:29:39) Capacity, Stress, and Survival (00:32:37) Train Heart and Build Muscle (00:34:49) Heart Rate and Decision Quality (00:41:36) Wearables vs Drinking (00:43:22) The 80/20 Life and Your "Why" (00:47:24) Purpose, Autonomy, Connection (00:51:41) Building Team Capacity at Work (01:02:18) "Aligned": What the Book Covers (01:06:00) Closing ---- Links & Resources: WHOOP Heart rate variability (HRV) Respiratory rate VO2 max Peter Drucker Dr. Russell Foster's TED Talk Rory McIlroy Scott Galloway "Aligned" by Kristen Holmes ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 323. James Lawrence - The Power of One More: A Journey of Grit and Determination 170. Mat Fraser - The Fittest Man on Earth 21. Will Ahmed - Unlocking Human Performance

If you keep waiting to "feel motivated," you will keep losing to friction, bad habits, and the identity you keep reinforcing. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Craig Ballantyne, widely known for being "the world's most disciplined man." He didn't get there through sheer intensity or some superhuman routine, but instead by turning discipline into a repeatable system. Together, they break down why "discipline" means something different for everyone, why subtracting friction beats adding effort, and how identity and self-talk determine your consistency. This conversation is a practical blueprint for building standards that hold up even when life gets busy. Here's what you'll learn: Why discipline starts with a clear definition of success, not generic "work harder" goals How to subtract obstacles (environments, people, distance, temptations) so consistency becomes the default What it takes to shift your identity and self-talk so your habits become almost automatic Stop trying to win with willpower. Actually achieve your goals with systems. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:36) Being the "World's Most Disciplined Man" (00:03:56) Define discipline for yourself (00:05:39) Subtract friction to win (00:08:02) Identity and self-talk (00:11:50) Public accountability hack (00:13:51) Anxiety and turning it around (00:19:18) The Perfect Day Formula (00:23:53) Dark side of Discipline (00:28:27) Get back on track fast (00:32:40) Why Craig coaches others (00:36:40) Who changes vs who doesn't (00:39:01) Win in business, lose in life (00:44:06) Values-first planning filter (00:49:01) What being a "game changer" means (00:50:03) Closing Links & Resources: Craig Ballantyne The Perfect Day Formula by Craig Ballantyne The Dark Side of Discipline by Craig Ballantyne David Goggins Charlie Munger Falling Down (1993) Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink and Leif Babin The Da Vinci Code (2006) What Got You Here Won't Get You There by Marshall Goldsmith Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 427. Your 2026 Reset: The One Change That Will Transform Your Firm with Jay Papasan 418. Why Discipline Without Toxicity Wins Every Time with Dominique Dawes 229. David Goggins - Never Finished: Unshackle Your Mind and Win the War Within

What separates the firms that scale cleanly from the ones that stay stuck in chaos, even with a great reputation? In this special mashup episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kayla Grayson and Michael Beckman of Viles & Beckman, Jami Oliver of Oliver Law Office, Craig Greening of The Greening Law Group, and Stevin Groth of Groth & Associates to explore the real difference between stalling and scaling. Most firms don't fail because they lack talent; they're struggling because the business behind the cases cannot keep up. This episode is a look at the discipline, standards, and leadership decisions that make growth possible from firm owners who have been there themselves. Here's what you'll learn: How to improve client communication and experience to create real value (and prevent case leakage) How to use AI to accelerate case resolution while maintaining the human touch that clients expect What it means to move from trial lawyer to true business owner and leader Exceptional client experience doesn't happen by accident. This episode reveals the systems, standards, and strategic decisions that deliver excellence every single time. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:03:04) Groth: immigrant kid to founder (00:07:05) Early days: taking every call himself (00:18:38) From peacekeeper to leader (00:27:46) Normal is unacceptable (00:29:36) Beckman and Grayson on "the five-star brand" (00:33:03) Culture after losing a partner (00:42:17) Competing with Amazon-level service (00:49:16) Break the mold, build your vision (00:51:34) AI removes busywork (00:57:08) Greening: brand without gimmicks (00:58:23) The stop at 16 that led him to law (01:01:11) Engineering edge in court (01:16:18) Hire to win, not to be right (01:23:34) Jami: COVID decision to scale (01:26:53) Six-month hiring funnel (01:34:57) Community impact that sticks (01:42:35) Success: more time with her daughters Links & Resources: Groth & Associates The Toledo Mud Hens Scopes Monkey Trial Viles & Beckman Oliver Law Office The Greening Law Group Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 451. Growth Secrets From the Best of the Best 410. The Firm of the Future Won't Wait for You to Catch Up 376. Best of AMMA - Brand-Building Secrets Your Competitors Will Hate You For

What if the fastest way to build mental toughness is to choose the hard thing on purpose? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Andy Glaze. Andy is an ultrarunner, firefighter, and author of Smile, or You're Doing It Wrong. He’s built a following by documenting what it really takes to keep moving when your body and brain are begging you to quit. Together, they break down why high performers chase extreme challenges, what ultramarathons reveal about failure and resilience, and how to apply those lessons to leadership, business, and life. Here's what you'll learn: Why high performers deliberately seek challenges with a real chance of failure, and how that mirrors entrepreneurship. How to build durability through “time on your feet” and zone 2 discipline, instead of relying on intensity and motivation. Why learning to reframe pain, setbacks, and criticism is a competitive advantage in business and in life. If you’ve been waiting to feel ready before you take your next big leap, this episode will challenge that mindset. ---- Show Notes: (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:34) How Andy's 100-mile runs changed Michael's view of limits (00:03:18) How Andy got into ultrarunning in his 30s (00:05:20) Why runners go beyond the marathon (00:07:01) Why ultrarunners are wired like high performers (00:09:46) What a 200+ mile race actually feels like (00:23:50) The link between addiction and endurance sports (00:29:51) How Andy handles online hate (00:33:17) Why DNF matters (00:39:08) The real cost of chasing big goals (00:47:35) How Andy defines success ---- Links & Resources: Andy Glaze Andy Glaze on Instagram Andy Glaze on TikTok Smile, or You’re Doing it Wrong by Andy Glaze Moab 240 Western States Endurance Run 100-Mile Ketone IQ ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 415. Why Your Limits Might Be Your Greatest Asset with Kyle Maynard 255. Joe De Sena — The Spartan Mindset: Embracing Discomfort and Unleashing Mental Toughness 229. David Goggins — Never Finished: Unshackle Your Mind and Win the War Within

If you want justice to change, you cannot treat equality like a slogan. You have to fight for it like it is personal. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Ben Crump, renowned civil rights attorney and founder of Ben Crump Law, to unpack what it really means to pursue equality inside a system shaped by power, precedent, and bias. Ben explains why progress is often incremental, why the biggest injustice is not always what makes the news, and why lawyers have a responsibility to speak truth to power even when it is unpopular. This conversation is a reminder that influence is only valuable when you use it to protect people who do not have any. Here's what you'll learn: Why racism and discrimination in America are rooted in economics, and how that shapes the fight for justice today How to handle death threats, public attacks, and the personal cost of taking on high-profile civil rights cases What it means to use your legal education to speak truth to power, even when it's controversial, unpopular, or dangerous If you have a legal education, you have a responsibility to make the world a better place. This episode will remind you why. ---- Show Notes: 02:53 — Ben explains the sacrifice behind the work, and why it feels like the news never stops giving him another family to serve. 03:55 — Ben talks about “incremental progress,” why change never happens overnight, and why cases like George Floyd and Ahmaud Arbery still matter as proof that accountability is possible. 05:39 — Michael asks where the real problem begins; Ben says it starts with whether people truly believe the Declaration of Independence, then explains how he tests that belief in jury selection. 11:53 — Ben shares how he stays optimistic, first through his own upbringing and family, then through a surprising source: what law school taught him about “precedent.” 16:42 — Ben tells the story of his mother and grandmother, the power of education, and how Brown v. Board and Thurgood Marshall shaped his mission when he was only nine years old. 21:20 — Michael brings up the backlash and threats; Ben explains why he accepts the risk, what “influence” is for, and why speaking truth to power is part of the job. 25:50 — Ben gives a practical answer to “But what can I do?” in the face of injustice 29:13 — Ben reflects on being a “rent lawyer,” and why the small cases and hard seasons are what sharpen the skills you will rely on later. ---- Links & Resources: Ben Crump Law Civil: Ben Crump (Netflix Documentary) Thurgood Marshall Frederick Douglass Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Seven Pillars of Wisdom by T. E. Lawrence ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 297. Ken Feinberg — Behind the 9/11 Compensation Fund: Navigating Tragedy & Complex Mediation 281. Nick Rowley — Brutal Honesty in Action: The Key to Legal Victory 209. Mark Lanier — A Lasting Legacy of Justice, Truth, and Billion-Dollar Verdicts

What separates the firms that scale from the ones that stay stuck? In this special mashup episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with the four Firm of the Year winners from the 2025 Game Changers Summit. Laura dePaz Cabrera of dePaz Cabrera Immigration Law, Koro Khamo of Khamo Law, John Richmond of Richmond Vona, and David Meyer of Meyer Wilson Werning each share what it really takes to build a firm that grows without burning you out in the process. From learning to let go of control to betting the farm on the right technology, this episode reveals the mindset shifts and strategic decisions that turned their practices into powerhouses. Here's what you'll learn: Why staying small is often the riskiest decision you can make, and how scaling protects your future How to build systems that run without you, so your firm can thrive even when you're not in the room Why culture is non-negotiable at every stage If you want to build a firm that scales, this episode will show you what some of the best in the business actually did to get there. ---- Show Notes: 5:14 — Laura DePaz Cabrera on building a human-centered immigration practice 16:08 — Why the outcome must always be tempered by the human impact 19:01 — Laura describes the culture of relentless pursuit of excellence 27:35 — Koro Khamo on scaling from startup to Premier Firm of the Year 40:26 — How Koro uses 11-year forecasting and AI to drive growth 44:29 — Why staying in place means falling behind in today's market 49:42 — The overpaid employee trap: why solos need to think bigger 54:09 — John Richmond on scaling from two people to 50+ in six years 1:06:24 — How leadership evolves as you scale from six to eight figures 1:07:41 — Defending culture at all costs, even when it means losing high performers 1:14:49 — Richmond Vona's approach to AI integration and change management 1:16:22 — David Meyer on transforming from chaos to intentional growth 1:24:25 — The catalyst that shifted Meyer Wilson from technical mastery to business excellence 1:32:25 — How David learned to let go and trust his leadership team 1:36:50 — Training for an Ironman as proof of a self-managing firm ---- Links & Resources: dePaz Cabrera Immigration Law Khamo Law Richmond Vona Meyer Wilson Werning Alexander Shunnarah Rocket Fuel by Gino Wickman ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 410. The Firm of the Future Won't Wait for You to Catch Up 376. Best of AMMA — Brand-Building Secrets Your Competitors Will Hate You For 308. AMMA — Overcoming Doubt: Turning Fear into Fuel