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Backyard Chat (029)
Apr 29, 2026
31m 17s
Common Fear-Based Objections to Grace (028)
Nov 5, 2025
30m 10s
Gospel Add-Ons (027)
Sep 30, 2025
25m 03s
Life Changes, Growing Older, and What Matters Most (026)
Sep 23, 2025
29m 08s
Is Jesus a Role Model? (025)
Jun 15, 2025
28m 43s
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| Date | Episode | Topics | Guests | Brands | Places | Keywords | Sponsor | Length | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 4/29/26 |  Backyard Chat (029)✨ | graceGod+3 | — | grace of GodJesus | — | graceGod+3 | — | 31m 17s | |
| 11/5/25 |  Common Fear-Based Objections to Grace (028)✨ | gracefear-based objections+3 | — | — | — | gracefear+5 | — | 30m 10s | |
| 9/30/25 |  Gospel Add-Ons (027)✨ | gospel simplicitychurch visit+3 | — | — | — | gospelchurch+5 | — | 25m 03s | |
| 9/23/25 |  Life Changes, Growing Older, and What Matters Most (026)✨ | life changesgrowing older+3 | — | The Grace CafeThe UnSunday Show Podcast+2 | — | life changesgrowing older+3 | — | 29m 08s | |
| 6/15/25 |  Is Jesus a Role Model? (025)✨ | Jesus as a role modellegalism in Christianity+3 | — | REST: Recovering from Spiritual TraumaThe UnSunday Show Podcast+2 | — | Jesusrole model+5 | — | 28m 43s | |
| 3/10/25 |  Come Untangled: Breaking Free from Religious Control (024)✨ | religious controlfreedom in Christ+4 | — | institutional churchesNew Covenant gospel | — | religionfreedom+5 | — | 32m 08s | |
| 2/10/25 |  Why We Lose Friends When We Leave The Institutional Church (023)✨ | friendshipinstitutional church+5 | — | The Voyage of the Dawn Treader | — | friendshipinstitutional church+5 | — | 29m 42s | |
| 12/15/24 |  All Sufficient Grace (022)✨ | gracesuffering+4 | — | The Grace CafeThe UnSunday Show Podcast+2 | — | gracesuffering+5 | — | 29m 24s | |
| 12/8/24 |  Covenant Confusion: A Conversation With Mike Kapler (021)✨ | CovenantsReligious Bondage+5 | Mike Kapler | Growing in Grace podcastGrace Cafe+4 | — | Covenant ConfusionGrace Guarantee+5 | — | 1h 04m 34s | |
| 11/30/24 |  Set Free to Be Free: A Conversation with Nora Shaw (020)✨ | freedom in Christreligious obligation+3 | Nora Shaw | — | — | freedomJesus+5 | — | 29m 37s | |
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| 5/23/24 |  Mike's Health Update (019) | I am posting this conversation on The UnSunday Show podcast as well as here. It's a short health update from yours truly. Push play and give it a listen and thank you for following my podcasts! I was recently invited to speak on the Grace at Last podcast with Corinne Kinstler on the subject of women in the church. I would really appreciate it if you would give it a listen as well. My conversations with Corinne are always well-seasoned with grace and this one is no different. It's one I really enjoyed! Here's the link to that episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/grace-at-last/id1689072652?i=1000655385359 _____________________________ Other places you'll find us: The UnSunday Show Podcast - https://www.unsunday.com The Grace Cafe YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@GraceCafePodcast The UnSunday Show YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@unsundayshow | — | ||||||
| 4/28/24 |  Sin Management (018) | Welcome to the Grace Cafe! We're Mike and Susan, AKA, The Husband and Wife Grace Team! In this episode we talk about the dark side of sin management and the sin police in institutional church and religion. _____________________________ Other places you'll find us: The UnSunday Show Podcast - https://www.unsunday.com The Grace Cafe YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@GraceCafePodcast The UnSunday Show YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@unsundayshow | — | ||||||
| 3/31/24 |  Who We Are in Jesus: A Deep Dive Into The Gospel of Grace with Matt McMillen (017) | Who are we in Jesus? Is there anything lacking in our new identity in Jesus? Is the cross enough? Are we ever not doing enough? Does God expect more from us? Is God ever disappointed in you? Is there a list of things we need to be doing to earn God's approval? What does it mean to live in a place of rest? What about fear? Is fear of not doing or being enough a valid reaction? Is it ok to set boundaries? Join us as we talk about these topics and more by taking a deep-dive into the New Covenant gospel of grace with Matt McMillen. Find Matt's podcast, YouTube channel, newsletter, books, and other social media links on his website at https://mattmcmillenministries.com/ _____________________________ Other places you'll find us: The UnSunday Show Podcast - https://www.unsunday.com The Grace Cafe YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@GraceCafePodcast The UnSunday Show YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@unsundayshow | — | ||||||
| 3/24/24 |  The Holy Spirit: Friend or Foe? (016) | In this episode of The Grace Cafe, we talk about the Holy Spirit and how religion and the box church give us a version of the Holy Spirit that's more like an angry mobster than a comforter and loving friend. Along the way we talk about some of our experiences with institutional church and church cults. Be sure to check out Jason Gray's awesome video, Remind Me Who I Am, linked below. Enjoy! Jason Gray - Remind Me Who I Am - https://youtu.be/eKyY8zfjBMQ?si=dIEL9FkSn-4i5FLW _____________________________ Other places you'll find us: The UnSunday Show Podcast - https://www.unsunday.com The Grace Cafe YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@GraceCafePodcast The UnSunday Show YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@unsundayshow | — | ||||||
| 3/17/24 |  Breaking Point with Amber Stephens (015) | Our friend Amber joins us in this episode. In her own words, each of us has two stories; a life story and a faith story. Amber shares both of her stories and the breaking points that led to her seeing grace as grace and a return to the simplicity that is in Jesus and the New Covenant gospel of grace. Amber is on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@honorgodsgrace247 Amber is on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/honorgodsgrace/ We hope this episode encourages you in grace! _____________________________ Other places you'll find us: The UnSunday Show Podcast - https://www.unsunday.com The Grace Cafe YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@GraceCafePodcast The UnSunday Show YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@unsundayshow | — | ||||||
| 3/3/24 |  Freedom That Leads to Rest (014) | Welcome to The Grace Cafe! In this episode we talk about the freedom we have in Jesus and how this freedom allows us to rest from our own works and effort. But organized church and organized religion redefines freedom and rest to keep us dependent on the system. _____________________________ Other places you'll find us: The UnSunday Show Podcast - https://www.unsunday.com The Grace Cafe YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@GraceCafePodcast The UnSunday Show YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@unsundayshow | — | ||||||
| 2/11/24 |  Under Grace The Pressure Is Off (013) | Welcome to episode 13 of the Grace Cafe podcast. This episode is a conversation about how religion and institutional church dilutes grace with performance goals designed to keep the institution alive. There is no rest apart from grace. In religion, the work is never done and there's always more to do. When we come to understand the grace of the New Covenant rightly, we realize the pressure to conform and perform is off and the work is done. Enjoy! _____________________________ Other places you'll find us: The UnSunday Show Podcast - https://www.unsunday.com The Grace Cafe YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@GraceCafePodcast The UnSunday Show YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@unsundayshow | — | ||||||
| 2/4/24 |  Rooted and Grounded in Grace (012) | Welcome to episode 12 of the newly relaunched Grace Cafe Podcast. In this episode we talk about the importance of being rooted and grounded in the grace of the New Covenant. The write of the letter to the Hebrews put it like this: "Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace..." (Hebrews 13:9) Anything that leads us away from grace and attempts to establish our hearts in anything other than New Covenant grace should be viewed as a diverse and strange teaching that's to be rejected. And yet almost without exception, the opposite is true in the world of organized religion. When we talk about the grace of the New Covenant to someone still inside organized religion, we are rejected and looked upon as someone involved in a strange teaching because the pure message of grace has been so watered down that it sounds foreign to so many in the church. So let's talk. Here's the link to the episode of the Gracereach podcast we mentioned in this episode. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-gracereach-podcast-with-brad-robertson/id1503583444?i=1000642413493 Enjoy! _____________________________ Other places you'll find us: The UnSunday Show Podcast - https://www.unsunday.com The Grace Cafe YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@GraceCafePodcast The UnSunday Show YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@unsundayshow | — | ||||||
| 1/28/24 |  A Look Back At Why We Left Religion and the Institutional Church (011) | This episode is a look back at our journey out of institutional church. Leaving religion and coming into a better knowledge of grace was a years-long process for us. Being a pastor in a high-performance based church setting finally caused Mike to hit a wall of performance and Susan fell into a deep depression. All of this came to a head for us on early 2009 when we made a final decision to leave. In addition to this episode we will continue to sprinkle bits and pieces of our story in future episodes. But with so many new followers since shutting down or last podcast, we decided to dedicate one full episode to share our story with you here. _____________________________ Other places you'll find us: The UnSunday Show Podcast - https://www.unsunday.com The Grace Cafe YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@GraceCafePodcast The UnSunday Show YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@unsundayshow | — | ||||||
| 1/21/24 |  Life Update From The Grace Cafe (10) | Welcome to episode 10 of The Grace Cafe Podcast. In this first episode of 2024 we update you on what's been happening with us, including Mike's recent health scare, a little bit of our back story, and our current dilemma of community and church. Find us online and interact with us at https://www.gracecafepodcast.com Enjoy! _____________________________ Other places you'll find us: The UnSunday Show Podcast - https://www.unsunday.com The Grace Cafe YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@GraceCafePodcast The UnSunday Show YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@unsundayshow | — | ||||||
| 10/18/23 |  A Weaponized Faith (09) | Welcome to episode 9 of The Grace Cafe podcast. This is a past episode (98) of the old Grace Cafe from New Year's Eve, 2020 that we wanted to share with you. In it, we talk about ways Christianity has weaponized faith and the Bible to enforce conformity. We'll be reaching back from time-to-time and bringing forward one of those old episodes to share with you and this is one of them. Also, Mike was recently interviewed on the Grace at Last podcast. This was a conversation about church and the New Covenant with Corinne Kinstler. You can listen to it by going to https://www.lastministry.org/grace-at-last-podcast/022-what-i-should-know-about-church-with-mike-adamsnbsp or on your favorite podcast app. Enjoy! _____________________________ Other places you'll find us: The UnSunday Show Podcast - https://www.unsunday.com The Grace Cafe YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@GraceCafePodcast The UnSunday Show YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@unsundayshow | — | ||||||
| 10/4/23 |  The Leftover Scars of Complimentarianism (08) | Complimentarianism and hierarchy are not neutral. They are harmful to the people in it, especially women and children, and they are in opposition to the gospel of New Covenant grace. In this final installment of our series on women in the church, we talk about some of our personal struggles with old patriarchal habits and what it's been like for us since coming out of that system after having spent almost 40 years in it. Feel free to contact us by going to https://www.gracecafepodcast.com/ and using the contact page there. _____________________________ Other places you'll find us: The UnSunday Show Podcast - https://www.unsunday.com The Grace Cafe YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@GraceCafePodcast The UnSunday Show YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@unsundayshow | — | ||||||
| 9/20/23 |  Can Women Be Pastors? (07) | We're closing in on the end of our series on women in the church. The topic in this episode is Can Women Be Pastors? One objection to women pastors that is raised by those opposing the idea is that Paul told Timothy an elder (pastor) has to be the husband of one wife. But are male-only elders what Paul had in mind with that statement or was he addressing polygamy? And why are we (men and women) so obsessed and set on rising to the top of the church hierarchy when Jesus told us there isn't to be one? Let's talk... _____________________________ Other places you'll find us: The UnSunday Show Podcast - https://www.unsunday.com The Grace Cafe YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@GraceCafePodcast The UnSunday Show YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@unsundayshow | — | ||||||
| 9/6/23 |  Headship and Submission (06) | Welcome to episode 6 of The Grace Cafe Podcast. We're continuing our topic of women in the church and how historically, the church's view of woman has been harmful and abusive. It's not a good track record. In this episode we talk about headship and submission. We use 1 Corinthians 11 and Ephesians 5 as the backdrop for our conversation and why we believe Paul's use of the word "head" (κεφαλὴ) wouldn't have meant authority or leader to the readers of his day. Here are a couple of online articles that you might want to take a look at. The second one is more detailed and contains a lot of good references. Inclusion here doesn't imply our agreement with everything in the articles, but they are a good thought-provoking read. 'Head' Does Not Mean 'Leader' in 1 Cor 11.3, by Ian Paul - https://www.psephizo.com/biblical-studies/head-does-not-mean-leader-in-1-cor-11-3/ What About the Word Kephale ("head") in the New Testament?, by Laurie Fasullo - https://www.searchingtogether.org/kephale.htm Enjoy! _____________________________ Other places you'll find us: The UnSunday Show Podcast - https://www.unsunday.com The Grace Cafe YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@GraceCafePodcast The UnSunday Show YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@unsundayshow | — | ||||||
| 8/23/23 |  Did The Law of Moses Silence Women? A Second Glance at 1 Corinthians 14:34-40 (05) | We're continuing with the overall topic we started back in episode 2 of women in the church. More specifically, how the institutional church has weaponized certain verses in the New Covenant scriptures and used them against women without fully considering the historical and cultural context. This has resulted in needlessly silencing half of the body of Christ and opened the door wide for abuse of every kind. In this episode we're going to take a careful look at 1 Corinthians 14:34-40. It's here that the passage says the law commanded women to be silent, therefore, women should not be allowed to speak when the body of Christ is assembled. The problem is, the law doesn't say that and even if it did, we (and the people Paul was writing to) are not under the law, so why does that matter even if it were true? We think there's something else going on here that needs to be talked about, so let's talk. _____________________________ Other places you'll find us: The UnSunday Show Podcast - https://www.unsunday.com The Grace Cafe YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@GraceCafePodcast The UnSunday Show YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@unsundayshow | — | ||||||
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