The I Don't Believe in Astrology Podcast

Overview In this illuminating episode of the I Don't Believe in Astrology podcast, host Debra Silverman engages in a profound conversation with Dr. Scott Lyons, a double Cancer with a background spanning clinical psychology, dance therapy, osteopathy, and somatics. The discussion delves into the phenomenon of "drama addiction" and how we unconsciously use stress as a distraction mechanism to avoid underlying emotional pain. Through personal stories of his own recovery journey, Dr. Scott Lyons offers powerful insights into why many of us struggle to sustain peace in our lives. Debra and Dr. Scott Lyons explore how our modern society functions as a "stress economy" that competes for our attention through constant stimulation, further exacerbating our nervous system dysregulation. Dr. Scott Lyons also explains how stress provides immediate pain relief by blocking receptors and distracting us from deeper emotional wounds, creating a cycle of addiction. This fascinating conversation weaves together Astrology, neuroscience, and somatic understanding to explain why finding authentic calm feels so challenging— and what we can do to break free from the cycle of unnecessary turmoil. Find more information about Dr. Scott Lyons and his work with the Embody Lab: https://theembodylab.com Order your copy of Debra's new book, I Don't Believe In Astrology, here and get access to Debra's companion tarot booklet while you still can: I Don't Believe In Astrology Connect with Debra on social media and get access to her latest offerings, workshops, and more: solo.to/dsAstrology Key Highlights From The Episode How to break free from drama addiction and find authentic peace How stress addiction serves as a mechanism for distraction from deeper emotional pain and Dr. Lyons' personal journey of recovery from drama addiction, including the crucial role of facing boredom The concept of the "stress economy" and how our society is built on capturing attention through activating the amygdala Understanding the difference between tolerance for stress versus genuine capacity for processing emotions How to reconnect with nature and physical presence as medicine for an overwhelmed nervous system Timestamps [00:01:30] Opening conversation between Debra Silverman and Dr. Scott Lyons [00:03:29] Introduction to the podcast and discussion about technology changes over time [00:05:28] Dr. Scott Lyons introduces himself and shares his favorite ice cream flavor (mint chip) [00:06:46] Discussion of Dr. Lyons' background in psychology, dance therapy, and osteopathy [00:07:27] Debra notes Scott's double Cancer Astrological makeup and its connection to embodiment [00:08:48] Dr. Lyons explains how stress blocks pain receptors and distracts from emotional pain [00:12:08] Discussion of the hierarchy in our body of what gets attended to first (emotional vs. physical) [00:15:11] Explanation of "revving" - how we source internal and external stimuli to avoid settling [00:17:59] Dr. Lyons describes how we interrupt our own peace and avoid proximity to ourselves [00:21:42] Discussion of the addiction to stress because we don't know how to sustain peace [00:24:52] Dr. Lyons shares his personal journey of recovery, including accepting boredom [00:26:33] Description of sitting through the discomfort to access deeper emotions [00:29:56] Dr. Lyons explains his cardiac collapse from stress overload ("overdosing" on stress) [00:31:29] Discussion of how addiction to drama makes dysfunction feel "normal" [00:34:02] Dr. Lyons describes recognizing his craving for stress and creating space between craving and action [00:39:02] Explanation of how drama is "the freest, most accessible drug there is" [00:42:42] Discussion of internal dialogue and its role in stress addiction [00:45:28] Dr. Lyons shares how he began accepting boredom despite it being "fucking awful" [00:48:23] Explanation of mindfulness as preparation for "surfing the waves of life" not escaping them [00:57:21] Discussion of how meditation and yoga can sometimes be "a beautiful place to hide" [01:07:59] Closing thoughts on taking social media pauses and attuning to your capacity [01:11:37] Debra's final thoughts on connecting with nature as the ultimate medicine for the nervous system

Overview How to quiet your internal noise with the power of silence. Step into the mystical world of intuition and crystal energy as Debra welcomes special guest Tatiana Dorow to the I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast. With her fiery Leo Sun and double Sagittarius placements, Tatiana shares her remarkable journey of following her intuition to purchase the right home, sight unseen, and assemble a collection of over one thousand crystals—most acquired through pure intuitive guidance rather than physical inspection. Delve into Tatiana's unique relationship with silence as she reveals how sensory deprivation has enhanced her intuitive abilities and decision-making. With her intense triple Fire energy, Debra interprets Tatiana's Astrological chart and shares how she embodies The High Priestess archetype, offering profound wisdom through her embrace of silence as a doorway to deeper understanding. This episode culminates in an exploration of getting comfortable with our internal noise and embracing the power of silence— leaving listeners with practical wisdom to incorporate into their own spiritual journeys. Find out more about Tatiana's collection and buy your own tabletop book here: https://bit.ly/tatianadorow Preorder your copy of Debra's new book, I Don't Believe In Astrology, here to get future access to Debra's companion tarot booklet when it is released: I Don't Believe In Astrology Connect with Debra on social media and get access to her latest offerings, workshops, and more: solo.to/dsastrology Key Highlights From The Episode How to quiet your internal noise and build a powerful relationship with silence and intuition How sensory deprivation can enhance your intuition Debra's interpretation of triple Fire energy and The High Priestess tarot card and its connection Tatiana's life A whole new perspective on the healing resonance of crystals, well beyond the transactional relationships we have with them Tatiana's reframe on meditation and a new way to look at your own meditation practice and goals Timestamps [0:48] Introducing the I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast with special guest, Tatiana Dorow [1:11] Showing Tatiana's Astrological chart (Leo Sun, Sagittarius Moon, Sagittarius Rising) and Debra sharing what stands out the most about Tatiana's chart (Moon conjunct Neptune) [2:32] Tatiana shares about living with her three children in California, then the COVID pandemic happening in 2020 gave a realization and opportunity to choose where she and her family would be [4:04] Tatiana begins searching for home, and finds one in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, yet her intuition had something to say about this move [5:46] Tatiana gets another intuition about a home in Hawaii, purchasing it sight unseen [6:15] The beginning of Tatiana's crystal collection and the connection to her childhood [7:52] How Tatiana's crystal temple came to be, with her over one thousand crystal collection, with her first six crystals being the only ones she held before purchasing the others using her intuition [10:43] Building the museum-like sacred space for the crystals [11:28] How Tatiana uses her intuition and discernment for bringing people into her space, and how silence and sensory deprivation have helped her enhance that intuition [13:08] Debra reflects on Tatiana's ability to sit in silence without triggering anxiety [13:39] Tatiana shares her take on meditation and the reframe that resonates most with her [14:03] Debra shares her interpretation of the first few tarot cards, which she has been studying and compiling a guide booklet on, connecting to Tatiana's journey [14:52] Turning off Tatiana's internal dialogue, and her take on silence [16:21] The difference between floating for a few hours in a deprivation tank versus floating overnight [16:45] Debra asks Tatiana to further explain the extreme nature of her Fire energy; Tatiana shares "the side effects" of being blunt and intense [18:05] Tatiana shares about the last time she cried [18:54] What Tatiana wishes people would do [19:15] Debra explains the High Priestess archetype, connected to Tatiana's message and wisdom, despite her triple Fire energy [19:49] Debra shares her awe of the quality of Tatiana's meditation in the crystal temple, and the effects the temple has from Tatiana's perspective [22:45] How Debra came to find Tatiana's crystal temple and how the crystals have affected her [24:41] The massive gift Tatiana witnesses when people come to her crystal palace [26:08] Anyone alive or not alive that Tatiana would love to have a conversation with; Tatiana answers in a different way [27:00] The entrance of silence and invitation to evolve [28:49] The power of exposure to silence and getting comfortable with our internal noise [29:44] The essence of Tatiana's Fire and Earth energy [30:14] Tatiana's resonance with clarity [30:35] Closing out today's podcast conversation with how to see Tatiana's collection from the comfort of your home, and final thoughts [31:38] Tatiana shares her gratitude for Debra's way of speaking Astrology

Overview How to wake up inside the dream and find that what's beyond this life is our true reality; what we think is reality is a genuine "altered state." In this episode of the I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast, Debra introduces Andrew Holecek, an author and spiritual teacher. As a long-time student of Buddhism, he frequently presents this tradition from a contemporary perspective – blending the ancient wisdom of the East with modern knowledge from the West. Drawing on years of intensive study and practice, Andrew teaches on the opportunities that exist in obstacles, helping people with hardship and pain, death and dying, and problems in meditation. Andrew and Debra dive right into a deeply philosophical yet accessible conversation as they discuss low-form darkness as the extraordinary force of karma, the mind's various dimensions, and pathways to enlightenment and spiritual introspection. Debra shares her deep appreciation and respect for how Andrew's work has changed her life and Andrew echoes the same, drawing on his colossal takeaways from his Astrological reading and how it has changed his perspective and belief in Astrology, and his powerful 4E session where Debra felt witnessed him "break the code" of the Water Element. Tune in for an incredible conversation that will inspire you to think beyond perceived reality, find more joy, and accept sadness as a pathway to compassion. Get your copy of Andrew Holecek's book, Preparing to Die: https://amzn.to/3YYMlNa Watch Debra's interview on Edge of Mind with Andrew Holecek here: https://bit.ly/edgeofmindwithdebra To learn more about Debra's 4E process and witness it firsthand, register for her free Elemental Challenge: http://elementalchallenge.com/ Connect with Debra on social media and get access to her latest offerings, workshops, and more: solo.to/dsastrology Key Highlights From The Episode How to wake up inside the dream and discover there is so much more to our perceived reality How Andrew's gift is to help us all rewrite the story of death Defining the different dimensions and constructs of the ego and the mind that can sometimes work against us The principles and lessons of love and death and their intersection between Andrew's work and Debra's work with Astrology and the Elements Andrew gives formal structure to how to hear, contemplate, and meditate Timestamps [2:31] Introducing the I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast with special guest, Andrew Holecek [03:08] The synchronicity of how Debra met Andrew Holecek and how Andrew's work has impacted Debra's life [5:12] Andrew introduces himself [6:52] Bringing up Andrew's Astrological chart and Debra sharing her interpretation and its connection to Andrew [8:57] How Andrew's life's work is to help us rewrite the story of death [10:04] Defining the different dimensions of the mind [11:08] "Ego cannot attend its own funeral." [11:56] Debra shares a secret of what has happened to her recently and the details around it [13:30] Musings on our dream time and the manifestation of mind [17:00] Is it true that time goes on forever in every direction? Andrew shares his thoughts and connects it to our experiences in the dream world and "altered states" [18:44] If the human condition has a limited operating system and yet there is another angle waiting for us, what does this closed system serve? [23:05] Debra shares about Andrew's 4E session and how Andrew cracked the code of the Water Element [25:30] Getting into the deep end of the pool of spiritual practice [26:51] One of the deepest wounds of Saturn in Scorpio [27:15] Understanding what "love" is [28:21] Love and death in Andrew's work and Astrology, plus Debra's personal experience [29:25] A Tibetan language lesson on meditation, openness, and love [31:11] A statistic on how our unconscious mind affects our lives and its connection to how Debra's work has shifted Andrew's perspective completely [32:54] The Mercury and Mars connection in Andrew's chart, his work with lucid dreaming, and his gift to all of us in Debra's words of gratitude [36:02] Remembrance versus learning and explaining "trickle down spirituality" [38:15] When did the conversation of reincarnation enter the dialogue of the Buddhist? [39:15] Debra's invitation to everyone in reaching true awakening, what led to the Buddha's awakening and its connection to death [42:14] Practicing meditation, contemplation, and studying- the innocence of curiosity [43:27] Andrew gives formal structure to how to hear, contemplate, and meditate [45:35] Debra ties Andrew's philosophical perspective and internalization back to his Astrological chart [46:18] The telepathic and other-wordly downloading in "altered states" [46:46] Bringing ourselves back to Earth when we are up and out [48:01] Andrew shares about his deep interest and practice in the dark and darkness retreat [49:08] Reflections on AI not having our best interest and Andrew's work in that field [50:16] What provides Andrew with his joy factor and the connection to humor and Water [51:21] Beyond the "sh!tshow" of how things appear [52:54] What keeps the lower phase dark side so seductive? What happens when you're no longer seduced by the "display" [54:34] What Debra noticed about enlightenment and this existence and Andrew's thoughts on differentiating depression versus sadness [56:09] How engaging with sadness creates ripples of compassion and the essence of spiritual bypassing [58:00] How Astrology helps you fall in love with you and a recap of the major components of Andrew's Astrological chart [58:55] Debra's encouragement for everyone to read Andrew's book, Preparing to Die [59:28] Debra shares her gratitude for Andrew with reflections of her own human condition, and the opportunity we all have to be the one we seek [1:00:29] The Sun sign of the United States is Cancer; reflections on transitions in an election season [1:00:59] Andrew shares his deep gratitude for Debra's work and where to find his work

Overview TW: Mentions of suicide How to become the frequency of peace and become a harmonized human. Garrain Jones joins Debra to share a practical path of getting there, with four must-hear tips and unexpected advice on how to raise your vibration and become your highest divine frequency. Growing through an upbringing that stifled his spirit and led him to venture down a path ending in a prison sentence, Garrain Jones found his formula for freedom when he was locked behind bars. Garrain now moves through life as a powerful force of love and freedom, inspiring bigness within himself and the world, helping others to raise their frequency and find their own freedom. In this interview, Garrain and Debra share about the synchronicities of their meeting, including Garrain's enthusiasm towards Debra's method of Astrology. Garrain also gives us four key principles to living in higher frequency. As a special bonus, Garrain tells Debra and our listeners about the powerful download he received about the future of humans on a transformational trip to Egypt. Tune in to access your inner child, your freedom, and raise your vibration! Connect with Debra on social media and get access to her latest offerings, workshops, and more: solo.to/dsastrology Key Highlights From The Episode How to become the frequency of peace and become a harmonized human Garrain's four key principles to living in a higher frequency An intuitive download about the future of humans Garrain received during a trip to Egypt Major takeaways for the energy of Aquarius Rising and embodiment of Cancer Personal stories of how Garrain overcame his circumstances to be who he is today Timestamps [1:00] Introducing our first stand up podcast of the I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast with special guest, Garrain Jones [1:40] Garrain Jones introduces himself and his mission [2:18] Debra speaks to components of Garrain's Astrological chart [2:59] Garrain describes his childhood [3:54] Debra articulates the qualities of Aquarius Rising [4:27] Something Garrain always felt about "being bad" and his empathic nature [5:11] How Garrain broke the mold of his upbringing; he shares his resistance to the norm [6:24] Showing Garrain's full Astrological chart as Debra interprets his placements [7:38] The entrance to Garrain and Debra's friendship, filled with synchronistic events [11:35] A gift of Aquarius Rising; Garrain shares his story around it [14:00] Garrain tells about what led him to being sentenced to 12 years in prison, choosing greed over patience [16:15] Musings about destiny and free will [17:11] Garrain's experience feeling freer in prison than he did in his childhood [18:54] "In losing my freedom, I discovered my freedom." [21:54] Garrain's mother was afraid to tell people what happened to him [22:32] The "gagagoogoo" of manifestation; what if there are no coincidences? [24:39] What Garrain has been studying since 2005 as a result of his huge cues from spirit/God/intuition [25:17] The formula for living in the right vibration and frequency [26:30] "I think we forget we're a temple." [27:14] Practical ways to raise your vibration [29:20] The importance of cultivating a daily practice of meaningful disciplines [30:07] Acknowledging and accessing the divinity within you [30:55] Debra recaps Garrain's four pinnacle life practices and their connection to the four Elements [31:32] Challenging the notion that discipline is a bad word [32:25] The contagiousness of Garrain (and his Mercury conjunct Jupiter) [32:56] Garrain shares his story about visiting Egypt and getting the download of the future of humans [35:58] Garrain's "version of church without the judgment or shame" to activate the harmonized human [36:44] One unexpected thing Garrain recommends everyone to do [38:28] What Debra says is much more interesting than Astrology [38:50] The last time Garrain cried [40:22] Who Garrain would have a conversation with, throughout time and history, if given the chance [41:53] "If we have the courage to look in the mirror and see God…" [42:54] Debra's observance of Garrain and his energetic body [43:31] Being a Cancer that's removed from the shell and mastering the human condition [44:58] Closing out this outside-of-the-box interview with gratitude

TW: Death, abortion, rape How to love your life by understanding death- whether you have an irrepressible zest for life or you're struggling to find joy and make this life make sense, we can all connect more deeply with life through its opposite… death. This is part one of an absolutely fascinating (and quite fun) interview with Dr. Mary Helen Hensley where we re-examine our relationship with death and life. Dr. Mary Helen brings her insights into the human nervous system through her work as a chiropractor, author, and healer, with a very unique twist- she had a near-death experience in her twenties that changed everything. Dr. Mary Helen shares the story of her near-death experience as well as her deep connection to the spiritual realm as a child, despite growing up in a household that didn't naturally accept her gifts. With Dr. Mary Helen's Astrological chart on hand, Debra immediately connects Dr. Mary Helen's experiences beyond the veil with components of her chart. This conversation holds practical, easy-to-understand analogies and insights on what happens beyond this life, and through a richer understanding of our karmic paths (as indicated through our Astrological charts) and what happens beyond life, we can lean more into loving our experience in this lifetime. Get your copy of Dr. Mary Helen Hensley's Promised by Heaven here: https://amzn.to/3UUCxD8 Key Highlights From The Episode How to love your life by understanding death and reexamining your relationships with life and death Incredible recollections from a near-death experience The relevance and importance of regulating your nervous system in the physical and spiritual realms Understanding the energies of Pisces, Aquarius, Taurus, Scorpio, and Gemini within different applications in a natal chart Insights from beyond the veil and beyond our human constructs of time Timestamps [0:46] Introducing the I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Dr. Mary Helen Hensley [1:45] "Having an affair on life" as we are called to re-examine our relationship with death and life [2:21] Debra shares a personal story of dealing with death and honors her friend Tim in this conversation [3:50] Dr. Mary introduces herself [4:50] Interpreting Dr. Mary's Astrological chart highlighting Pisces, Aquarius, Taurus, and Scorpio energy [7:13] Dr. Mary shares about her upbringing with a southern baptist father [8:44] Dr. Mary's mother had the German measles while pregnant with her and her father's "event" that helped give him clarity around Dr. Mary's life path [10:45] The importance of "Judge" in Dr. Mary's story [12:43] "The kitchen table talk" and Dr. Mary's ability to see spirits [13:40] Dr. Mary's practical analogy around how she sees people in spirit [14:38] Dr. Mary's tells the story of her near death experience [17:38] Details around Dr. Mary's out of body experience and the awareness of being "the master of your own ship" [19:20] Debra seeks confirmation around a premonition and a car accident [20:55] What happened after the first sound Dr. Mary heard and its connection to our soul frequency [22:37] Dr. Mary describes what happened just before her life review moment and connection to elderly people [25:25] Debra echoes the imprint of NDEs and where most people can't connect to the experience [26:18] How long Dr. Mary was outside of her body and the breakdown of the constructs of time [27:32] The life review moment that changed everything for Dr. Mary [29:27] What happens in a near-death experience that juxtaposes when we attach the ego to this reality [30:48] Experiencing different realities and the spinning plates analogy [31:43] Astrology enters the past-life karma chat [33:08] Debra shares about her new book that will come out in 2025 [34:01] When Dr. Mary was given the choice to come back into this lifetime [37:20] "You already are that which you seek." [38:39] The relevance of regulating your nervous system [39:15] Speaking to the traits of Gemini Rising [40:55] How interfering with the nervous system can be a tool for growth [41:44] The reminder for us all through this conversation [42:32] Why do we study Astrology? [43:20] One of the key gifts that Dr. Mary came back with after death [44:12] An insight into the observance of traumatic death and Dr. Mary's example to support this insight [48:37] The big moment Dr. Mary witnessed her father experiencing during the height of his dementia [51:15] Closing out part one of Debra's conversation with Dr. Mary [53:26] Allowing fear to have its own voice [54:08] Sharing gratitude for this conversation with Dr. Mary

How to feel more and dream bigger in a world full of chaos and comparisonitis. We have all felt the need to numb ourselves out and avoid feelings of heartbreak or even grief; we've also all been victim to the sense of being not good enough or experiencing alienation. This is a recipe to squash our life-force and suffocate our dreams. Our guest Ayesha Ophelia has her own Astrological recipe for transmuting our pain body into power and dreaming as big as possible. Ayesha has also unlocked more facets to her abilities from her studies in Level 1 of Debra's Applied Astrology school. Debra shares her hopes to have Ayesha join her therapeutic writing course, Tell Me A Story, which is a powerful avenue for personal transformation and creativity. Ayesha Ophelia is a rising voice in spirituality and wellness. Her work meets at the intersection of creativity and the seen and unseen realms. She walks the path of the muses which are; art, creativity, and the spark of inspiration living in us all. Ayesha and Debra dive into the dominant Scorpio energy of Ayesha's chart, in the Astrological House of networking and communication, allowing her to feel with the depths and operate with the heights of this human experience. Debra also speaks to the Astrological component in Ayesha's chart that powers her dream world and manifestation prowess, as well as the Astrological component that has given her quite the streak of luck. Maybe you have these Astrological flavors, too- tune in to find out! Connect with Ayesha Ophelia here: https://www.instagram.com/ayeshaophelia/ Join our next Tell Me A Story writing course here: https://bit.ly/4afAm1B Key Highlights From The Episode How to feel more and dream bigger and how that can impact your experience in this lifetime Collective and cultural experiences of feeling alienated and how Astrology can help soothe those feelings The high road and low road of Scorpio Ayesha's experience in Level 1 of Applied Astrology and Debra's hopes of her joining a cohort of Tell Me A Story Debra's permission slips around authenticity and embracing our creativity Timestamps [00:54] Introducing the I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Ayesha Ophelia and her entrance into Level 1 of Applied Astrology [01:37] Ayesha introducing herself in her own words [03:12] Bringing up Ayesha's natal chart with a quick review of her chart [04:27] Speaking to the component in Ayesha's chart that shows the futuristic and revolutionary part of her character [05:30] Debra speaks to feeling resistance to her revolutionary way of approaching therapy with Astrology [05:54] Ayesha speaks to the connection between a childhood memory of watching E.T. and the current collective vibe [08:13] Everyone has an alienated part of them; that's where Astrology can help [09:39] Debra shares an inspiring permission slip around authenticity and finding your voice [09:58] The transition of Ayesha being a support to others and then "leaving the nest" and speaking her own message [10:56] Ayesha speaks to what happened during her Saturn return [12:18] Debra connects pieces of Ayesha's chart to a past company she ran [12:45] Ayesha shares about moving through grief as her mother left this realm and her connection to her mother then and now [13:57] What Ayesha couldn't live without in this lifetime [15:22] Ayesha's strong 12th House in her Astrological chart and a concrete story about her big dreams and using her voice [17:13] What Ayesha would do if she wasn't a voice on social media [17:50] Debra's reminder to carry your creativity and child-like spirit into adulthood [18:24] Who Ayesha would love to have a conversation with throughout time and Debra sharing a similar reflection from a past podcast guest [21:09] The last time Ayesha cried and her wisdom around welcoming heartbreak [22:41] Debra shares an encounter with Spirit she had decades ago [23:58] Reflections on grief [25:06] The two things we all long for [26:20] The underutilization of dreaming [26:52] The revolution happening in the human condition [27:56] Ayesha shares about an influential dream for her [31:10] The high road of Scorpio as evidenced by Ayesha [31:57] Debra tells Ayesha about her writing course, Tell Me A Story [32:50] Are your words impactful? Or are they just theory? [33:18] Ayesha reflects on what she learned about missing Elements through Debra [34:22] How Ayesha feels about where we are headed as a society [36:16] Ayesha shares about her luck, evidenced by an impactful Jupiter placement next to her Ascendant/Rising sign [38:27] What happens when live under correct knowledge (LUCK)

How to have a consistent meditation practice instead of adding it to your list of shoulds. Meditation is a hot topic that everyone talks about, yet so many of us find resistance in it being a consistent, fulfilling practice. You're not the only one that struggles with meditating, whether you're struggling in your current practice to stay consistent or struggling because you don't have a practice in the first place. This episode might help you fall in love with meditation! Debra is joined by Kilkenny Tremblay, Yoga and Meditation professor and host of Modern Mystic Podcast, who in addition to being a lifelong lover of meditation, yoga, and other spiritual teachings, is an alumni of Debra's Applied Astrology school. Kilkenny and Debra discuss how meditation is a dynamic practice, not a one-size-fits-all approach. Debra sheds light on a part of Kilkenny's Astrological chart that countless other professional Astrologers have seemed to avoid, making Kilkenny's point of how solid Debra's approach and Astrological method is, and how Astrology terminology will soon be as fluent to the masses as yoga has become. The history and dynamics of Pluto are highlighted, bridging the connection between Kilkenny's intense passion for life and her work, and her ability to speak to the seen and unseen, the magical and the mundane. Here's your chance to learn about the influence of Pluto in Astrology and update your perspective on why meditation is so powerful. Plus you'll hear tips on how to integrate meditation fully into your life, and if you have children, how to get them interested, too! Learn more about Kilkenny Tremblay at https://bit.ly/kilkennymodernmystic Key Highlights From The Episode How to have a consistent meditation practice following simple tips from Kilkenny and Debra The question around meditation that everyone is thinking and no one likes to admit Kilkenny's top tip on how to get children interested in meditation (it's easy!) Discovering Pluto in historical terms and its Astrological symbolism and effects Why Kilkenny enrolled in Applied Astrology and what sets Debra's method of Astrology apart from other Astrologers Timestamps [00:50] Introducing the I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Kilkenny Tremblay [04:17] What Kilkenny experienced at five years old that was her entrance into the spiritual world [05:23] Kilkenny shares about her mediation practice and matching meditations to the disposition of the person practicing [07:28] How often does Kilkenny practice meditation? [08:24] Sharing Kilkenny's chart and the Astrological indicator that gives a nod to Kilkenny's easy access to meditation [10:03] The question around meditation that everyone is thinking and no one likes to admit [11:53] A brief mention of Kilkenny's time in Debra's Applied Astrology school and the connection of the mind (Mercury) to meditation [13:33] The spiritual inheritance people experience (or don't) in their lifetimes and the Astrological fluency that is coming soon [15:34] Walking through Kilkenny's chart again, speaking to an aspect in her Astrology chart that so many Astrologers didn't speak to in Kilkenny's life [19:13] How Pluto in Kilkenny's Astrological chart shows her intense intention for her life, and discussing parts of the history of Pluto scientifically and spiritually [21:24] Kilkenny speaks to how her strong Plutonian signature shows up in her life [23:48] Kilkenny shares some of her favorite episodes from her own podcast, Modern Mystic [25:23] Debra shares more on the history of Pluto and its representation of the invisible world [27:22] What Kilkenny always says to people about the benefit of meditation [29:23] The ability of meditation to put us out of the victim mentality and back into the driver's seat [31:45] Debra and Kilkenny speak briefly to the initial resistance to meditation [32:38] Kilkenny shares her top tip on how to integrate mediation into children's lives [34:33] There is no random order to the souls that show up in our lives [35:36] What people don't say about Libra [36:06] Do any of Kilkenny's three children have resistance to meditation? [36:47] Why and how parenting has always been a big interest for Debra in her Astrology practice and how to introduce our children to spiritual practices [37:58] A recap of what we have learned about meditation in this interview [39:09] Kilkenny shares about her podcast, Modern Mystic [39:37] Closing with gratitude and a beautiful way to think about meditation, as well as ways to connect with Kilkenny as a practitioner and Applied Astrology alumni

How to walk the path of the mystic and tune into higher knowledge. Podcast guest Paul Selig says he has no advice for our listeners, yet his presence and his life's work shows us the importance of opening ourselves up to a higher power. Paul Selig is one of the foremost contributors to the field of channeled literature, after a spiritual experience in 1987 left him clairvoyant. He attended New York University and earned a master's from Yale. He is the author of Beyond the Known: Realization and The Book of Innocence. As a double Scorpio personality with a prevalent Virgo energy in his chart, the richness and depth of Paul's work and his loyalty to the purity of his path is impressive. Paul takes Debra through his journey to walking the path of the mystic, which admittedly began with resistance and a skeptic eye towards mysticism and his lifestyle was not in alignment with that path. Paul then experienced a series of events which led him to this new path, which would change the course of his life entirely. Paul also shares about his first Astrological experience and as Debra walks through components of his chart, Paul connects them to avenues and events within his life. This is an interview packed with a Plutonian energy… tune in for what that means (and more). Learn more about Paul Selig at https://www.studentsoftheguides.com Get your copy of The Book Of Innocence: https://amzn.to/46cnlDB Get your copy of Beyond the Known: Realization: https://amzn.to/3QDGSah Key Highlights From The Episode How to walk the path of the mystic and what might lead you to find it How channeled literature is birthed into our reality The energetics of double Scorpio and a powerful Pluto placement The definition of mysticism in modern times and where we are likely to find those enlightened beings today What happened for Paul during his second Saturn Return Timestamps [01:00] Introducing the I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Paul Selig, in his own words [02:54] Debra interprets Paul's Astrological chart [04:41] The initial resistance that Paul had around his gifts [05:28] The sequence of events that lead to Paul finding his channeling ability [07:05] Paul describes his experience of resistance, as described Astrologically by his Sun squaring his Moon [08:02] Debra's insights on the destructive ability and sensitivity of Scorpio energy [08:47] How Paul protects his energy [09:09] Paul describes the nature of his relationship with his spirit guides [10:50] "Spoken stenography" and psychic work makes Paul a radio [11:51] The projection and opinion of the spirit guides Paul has channeled about our human behavior and our future [13:22] Is Paul a pessimist or optimist? [14:01] The seriousness that Paul embodies as described by his Astrological chart [15:14] When Paul isn't focused on channeling, these are the things he thinks about [16:17] The last time Paul cried [17:27] Paul's profession before being a channeler and the reflections of his work now [18:50] Musings on Paul's Moon in Leo that have rung true for him, as well as the energy major Astrological themes in his chart [20:55] The level of awareness and function of the higher beings that Paul communicates with [22:32] The physical effects that Paul has experienced when channeling [25:31] How Paul really feels about his channeling work [26:38] Debra recounts the history of Astrology and Paul's communications with the higher guides about Astrology [28:27] Paul's first Astrological chart reading experience [31:22] Debra identifies 2020 as Paul's second Saturn Return; he shares about his experience [33:54] The gift of Paul's lifetime as told by Astrology [34:55] Paul shares about his father passing away when he was very young and his connection to him now [35:49] Paul's most recent work, The Book Of Innocence, and his 12th book [36:39] Paul is not the "best student" by way of embodying the lessons of his guides [37:33] A quote Paul lives by [37:54] Does Paul believe we live in a safe reality? Does he live in a safe reality? [39:54] Take this out of this podcast interview [41:16] Debra recaps components of Paul's Astrological chart and its connection to his past, present, and future [41:54] Paul's perspective on showing up [42:36] Debra asks what person/people alive or not that Paul would like to have a conversation with [43:36] A past lifetime Paul has some recall around [44:29] Paul's practical definition of mysticism [45:56] Debra describes the great ones on that planet [46:20] Paul asks when a partner is going to show up; Debra answers by speaking to his Astrological chart [47:20] Debra speaks to the nature of a good interview [47:51] Signing off with final thoughts from Debra and Paul

How to talk to angels and help your soul become more intertwined with your human experience. That's the theme of our podcast with the ethereal Lorna Byrne, who seems to be an ambassador of the angels to our human species. Lorna Byrne has been seeing and talking to angels since she was a baby. She talks openly about what she's learned and how angels completely guide her life. Lorna is the author of seven best-selling books, including Angels in My Hair, The True Story of a Modern-Day Irish Mystic. Lorna's books have been published in more than 50 countries and 30 languages around the world. While this podcast episode will not feature an Astrological chart due to Lorna being uncertain of her birth time, Debra is able to connect the dots of what Lorna does know about her birth time and the Astrological placements that present themselves in Lorna's life. Lorna has not spent much time with Astrology, but she echoes Debra's Astrological analysis during this interview. Lorna shares her visions of the future, where there is no division as our souls become one with our humanness. In this future, we live in peace with each other and nature, our home. According to Lorna, the future depends on this spiritual evolution. Lorna Byrne has physical sight of the unseen world, of the angels, spirits and other spiritual beings that she says are guiding and teaching us every second of every day. Many have sensed these beings occasionally but do not see them tangibly like Lorna. But Lorna says we all have this potential if we grow spiritually, when we can learn to talk to angels. Tune in for a recollection of incredible angelic sights, stories, and the beginning steps to shift our perspectives and open our world up to the divine. Learn more about Lorna Byrne at lornabyrne.com Get a copy of Lorna's Book, Angels In My Hair: https://amzn.to/3LZoPKk Key Highlights From The Episode How to talk to angels and connect your soul to your human experience The truth about our guardian angels and how they see us Incredible stories throughout Lorna's life as she received messages from the angels Lorna's Aries nature and her Mercury in Pisces, as interpreted by Debra, contributing to how she has perceived the physical world, as well as the world beyond Messages about the divine, no matter what your beliefs are Timestamps [00:57] Introducing the I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest's mission to help others [02:00] Our guest, Lorna Byrne, talks about the reminder from the angels to keep her gift quiet [02:57] Our guest, Lorna Byrne, introduces herself and tells us about her early beginnings [04:30] Debra interprets Lorna's Mercury in Pisces and Lorna reflects on Debra's interpretation with her real life experiences, even in infancy [06:09] Lorna's beginnings of being a late talker, with the angels reminding her to keep her gifts a secret [06:55] Lorna speaks to the guardian angels we all have and her request to Archangel Michael [07:46] Do angels eat and taste food? Lorna answers and sheds light on the clothing that angels appear with [08:46] Debra shares about her sense of her guardian angels (that seem to have a sense of humor) [09:34] The true nature of spirituality [10:55] What Lorna thinks people should do when they start their day [11:46] Lorna shares about a direct experience with the angels when she was a child, playing with her brother that had passed away [13:46] Lorna recounts being open publicly about her gifts and an abrupt message from Archangel Michael [16:14] Lorna can't read; she tells the story of finally saying yes to God's message to begin writing and the synchronistic events that followed [20:20] More synchronistic events came to help Lorna get her book published [21:54] One thing God always says to Lorna [23:01] Debra asks: What makes it okay to say no to God? Lorna answers and tells Debra about the difference between angels and God [25:08] Why angels love to be around people [26:01] Debra asks Lorna about the conversation around angels and sensitive religious subjects like abortion; Lorna shares story of being called to speak to a woman who became pregnant and who had nuns telling her she was pregnant with the a child of the devil [29:14] A question Lorna always asks God [30:00] Are angels envious of us? [30:11] What Lorna wishes people would do [31:54] Lorna shares a story that reflects how souls choose their parents and the lives they will lead before they are born [33:05] What Lorna couldn't live without and how Lorna feels she is different from others having been brought up by the angels [34:32] How Lorna distinguishes herself from the angels [35:27] The intertwining of the human being and the soul, as told by Lorna and Alice Bailey's work [36:41] Lorna's uncertainty about when she was born, making it difficult to read her Astrological chart [37:42] Debra interpret what she does know about Lorna's Astrological composition [37:58] Debra shares appreciation for what Lorna's presence and gifts can teach us all [38:27] Lorna shares about what the future looks like and why the intertwining of ourselves to our souls and spirituality is so important [39:25] How Lorna's work has been perceived by scientists she has worked with [40:19] Lorna shares her visions of the future and how the United States has a different vibrance that will be pinnacle for our collective future [42:59] The last time Lorna cried and what touches Lorna the most [44:44] How Lorna's children navigate their mother's gift [45:57] The story of Lorna's husband that began with a message from an angel at the age of 10 [50:01] When Lorna recognized her husband from the vision the angel gave her, and more information she knew ahead of time before actually meeting him [52:24] Debra appreciates how Lorna has changed our point of view [53:23] Lorna's final words, no matter what your beliefs are [55:05] Debra's final words on asking your guardian angels for help

How to be more disciplined is key to growth and achieving excellence. Do you know the true function of discipline beyond the negative connotation? Tune into this conversation with digital marketing expert Destinee Berman, whose own focus on discipline played a huge role as the catalyst of creating Debra's Applied Astrology school. Every Monday morning for many years, Debra had a conversation with destiny (aka Destinee) to dream up and manifest the structure of her business. In this episode, Destinee shares her formula for success is not just in the numbers and data-driven results, but in how she manages and stabilizes her energy and spiritual center. Destinee shares about the effects of her intense and difficult entrance into this life during the Cambodian holocaust and as a result of growing up poor, while Debra shares about how the tremendous Capricorn influence in Destinee's chart has gifted her with a potent perseverance towards excellence. Even more Astrological insights are shared by Debra using her unique method of Astrological interpretation, including a focus on Destinee's Saturn on the Sun and Mercury in Scorpio, as Destinee affirms Debra's analysis to be true with concrete life examples. "I don't believe in Astrology" was a phrase never in Destinee's vocabulary, and working alongside Debra has only amplified her belief and application of this ancient language. If you've been looking for more discipline in your life, this is the episode you've been waiting for! Connect with Destinee on Instagram (@desberman) Find out where discipline shows up in your own Astrological chart and sign up for Debra's self-study course, Inner View: Discovery of YourSELF through the Stars. This course is similar to Level 1 of Applied Astrology, but you'll study on your own, at your own pace, at a fraction of the price. Join now for instant access: http://innerview.info/ Key Highlights From The Episode How to be more disciplined for more growth and achieving excellence Dispelling the negative connotations around the word "discipline" and celebrating success Destinee and Debra share keys to success and manifestation Destinee's entrance into Astrology and how it lead to working with Debra The spectrum of a major Capricorn signature in someone's chart Timestamps [00:53] Introduction of Destinee Berman, in Debra's words as well as Destinee's own words, as our guest on The I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast [04:00] Debra pulls up and interprets Destinee's Astrological chart [05:45] How Debra and Destinee met and Destinee's reflection of her reading with Debra [07:00] Destinee shares about her intense entrance into this lifetime [08:55] The karmic relationship between Destinee and Debra [09:53] What drives Destinee [11:22] Destinee shares her formula for manifestation [13:15] How Cardinal energy plays out in business [13:55] Destinee's sense around the climate crisis [15:24] The way Destinee's Mercury in Scorpio consumes information [16:29] How Destinee's Capricorn Rising is a dominant energy in how she shows up in the world [17:55] Destinee's softening around her Moon in Cancer [18:22] Debra speaks to the permission present in the energy of Destinee [19:09] Reflections on the word "discipline" [21:22] How Destinee is preparing for her older age and how that notion shows up in her Astrological chart [21:55] Destinee's entrance into Astrology [23:09] Debra shares something she always thought to be true about Destinee that also describes the nature of Capricorn energy [24:42] Accepting the nature of your chart [25:52] Debra shares about starting her business and being a single parent and how Destinee affected her [26:56] Permission around success [27:55] How Destinee describes her work ethic and the balance of motherhood [29:25] If Destinee wasn't talking about online marketing, what would she be doing instead? [30:33] "I wish that people would ______." [31:09] What Destinee wouldn't want to live without [31:46] A person in history that Destinee would love to have a conversation with [32:54] Destinee's fundamental belief about the future [34:33] What Destinee continues to know without question [35:22] Debra reflects on Destinee's example of excellence and perseverance [37:11] Debra shares about the gift of success [37:54] "I don't believe in Astrology' is not in Destinee's vocabulary [38:26] Signing off with gratitude

How to receive your inner riches, whether or not the outer world matches. Debra sits down with Preston Smiles, conscious businessman, trailblazer, personal freedom coach, experiential speaker, author, and "badass messenger of love," sharing the formula for living more fully and fulfilled. If you're not happy with how abundance shows up in your life right now, give this interview a listen to be steeped in appreciation for the riches in your life and wisdom for getting out of your head and into your true essence. Do you have the courage to listen beyond your mind? Do you know the power of deep listening? Preston shares his personal experiences with his capacity for deep listening- how it has led to catalytic moments in his life, from "profane to the profound" as he describes. Preston tells an incredible story about intuitive nudges he received while in New York City that lead him to play a part in a perspective-changing event. Debra explains the roles Preston's Mercury in Cancer and Cancer Rising play in his connection to intuition, as well as musings on his double Fire energetics and the reason the Astrological theme Preston has picked up on makes so much sense based on his Astrological chart. Learn more about Preston, his daily mantra, and his messages of love, all echoed by Debra's remarks on being open to perspectives beyond the constructs of your mind, the universal human wound, and a challenge to us all… be ready to receive! Find Preston on Instagram: @prestonsmiles See Preston and Debra LIVE for Debra's upcoming virtual Astrological Immersion August 21st-25th, with a closing call on August 28th. Sign up to be amongst the first to get your free seat here: astrologicalimmersion.com Key Highlights From The Episode How to open yourself up to receive your inner riches The power of deep listening and how it can manifest into profound life moments and lessons How Preston identified an Astrological theme in his life that Debra had the explanation for The shifts that gratitude and saying "yes to the yes" can have in your life The mantras that Preston and Debra start their day with and how it helps them experience life beyond the small constructs of the human mind Timestamps [01:02] Introduction of Preston Smiles and The I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast [02:04] Preston's introduction [03:43] How moving back in his with his mother helped Preston change the dynamics of his life [04:30] Growing up as an underdog [06:23] Debra shows Preston's chart and the validation of his life lesson of Saturn in Virgo, his double Fire energetics, and his compassionate Cancer Rising [07:43] Preston echoes the accuracy of Debra notating the Virgo life lesson themes in his life [08:51] Debra discusses the beginnings of this podcast and asks Preston what his sense is about the future [10:18] Preston shares about his vision quest, or vision fast as he calls it, and his reflections from the experience [14:01] Debra shares her one directive she hopes people receive from this podcast [14:28] Debra shares more about the major Astrological components of Preston's chart [15:12] Debra shares her thoughts on choosing your parents in this lifetime [16:57] Preston shares about a medical condition that shook him to his core and changed everything, and inevitably led to his life's work [21:43] Echoing part of Preston's story of coming into his full self, Debra shares a permission slip from the Age of Aquarius [22:49] Preston shares his gratitude for this life and how he has "said yes to the yes" [23:56] Preston details an incredible story about listening to his intuition [32:07] Debra reflects on Preston's story, the power of deep listening, and Debra's pact with spirit for her life's work [33:25] Debra's story about being in meditation and listening to a directive from spirit, then initiating an uncomfortable conversation with a friend of the past [34:39] You don't need someone else to forgive you and you can be the doula or healer [35:10] Debra demonstrates the manifestation of Preston's Mercury in Cancer [35:30] Debra's challenge to all of us and Preston echoes her sentiments [36:45] The last time Preston cried and breaking the cycle of his unsupportive beliefs [39:45] The universal wound of not feeling worthy and the call to find compassion for the human condition (check out Debra's book, The Missing Element) [42:11] Preston's early morning mantra [43:44] The message Preston always receives during plant ceremony [44:10] What Debra wants to everyone to take in through this podcast [45:05] Debra's waking thoughts each day [45:59] The truth about us all [47:22] The moment-to-moment love affair of being an adult [48:02] Preston talks about the manifestation of our dreams and the sacrifices they may bring [49:02] Preston being a modern-day spiritual master [50:31] Your agreement at a higher level of consciousness [51:40] Debra summarizes the message of this podcast [52:52] How to find and work with Preston [54:25] The call once more to learn how to listen deeply to your intuition and to spirit

How to see beyond fear and find wisdom when the future looks bleak should be a reason alone to listen to this podcast episode. Beyond that message, this interview is steeped in practical mysticism and science, understanding the evolution of the human species, and acceptance of the natural cycles of Earth. Chemistry occurs seating our guest, Gene Keys founder Richard Rudd, in between Debra Silverman and Carla Johnson. The trio shares how they met and bounces effortlessly through a conversation about the fear culture of climate change and the importance of sinking into wisdom and faith in moments of angst and uncertainty. Richard Rudd is an international spiritual teacher, writer and award-winning poet. In 2002 when he began to write and receive the Gene Keys – a vast synthesis exploring the miraculous possibilities inherent in human DNA. Richard shares the Gene Keys connection to our future and his views on how Astrology not only works, but can aid us in our transitions as we meet our next evolutionary point. Carla Johnson is a geologist, hydrologist, environmental engineer, and entrepreneur, one of Debra's dearest friends, sharing a deep appreciation for Debra's method of Astrology. Debra shares the Astrological connection between Richard and Carla, with Carla also chiming in about Richard's Saturn in Aries and how it translates into his purpose. This is a conversation rooted in mysticism, science, radical honesty, and consciousness, with reminders of the importance of self-awareness, meditation, studying, intimacy, transition planning, and keeping your faith as we move towards our next evolution. Find Richard on Instagram: @genekeys Check out Richard's offerings: https://genekeys.com/debra-silverman/ Listen to Carla's IDBIA episode, Just a Page In Earth's Book :https://debrasilvermanastrology.com/podcast Key Highlights From The Episode How to see beyond the fear and find wisdom in an unsettled world The difference between knowledge and wisdom How Richard's Gene Keys and Debra's method of Astrology work in tandem The imminence of cycles of extinction and evolution What we can do to help steady the Earth and steady ourselves (there is a connection!) Timestamps [01:11] Introduction of Richard Rudd and special bonus guest, Carla Johnson [03:50] How and where Debra, Richard, and Carla all met [04:39] The overview of Earth's history as told by Carla [10:45] Do we need to be worried about the climate crisis? Richard Rudd shares his perspective [14:20] What excites Debra about the future [14:56] The timing of humans in Earth's history and the intellectual acceleration of humans [16:11] An explanation of Gene Keys and the connection to our future [18:22] Reaching points of paradox [21:00] Carla shares fascinating facts demonstrating the connection between Earth and the human body [22:35] A call to suspend your human mind [23:40] The emotional body's resistance to believe greater wisdom and how Gene Keys supports breaking through that resistance [26:24] The new awareness operating system we are moving towards and how Gene Keys and Astrology give you a road map and tools to get through to our next evolution [28:47] How Debra says we all can make a difference with an open mind [30:24] The Earth's intelligence and capacity to regenerate [32:15] Lowering the planet's stress level [34:06] The important thing to remember is nothing operates in isolation [35:10] The air tight system of Astrological high roads and low roads and how de-evolution isn't possible [36:33] Richard Rudd's chart reviewed [38:42] The truth about the future citing predictive models [42:25] The reminder of our need to carry humanity through the shifts to come [43:29] Debra's unshakeable belief in Astrology and flowing through death and change [45:51] How systems like Debra's method of Astrology and Richard's Gene Keys can give you back your faith [46:40] The horrible truths of how this climate cycle will play out and what you can do [48:39] Carla's upcoming book and the unsustainability of the current state of our lives [50:34] The most sustainable unit of living [51:13] How we will live in a sustainable future [52:00] What it's like to be in the higher realm of your Gene Keys [53:15] The future system will cherish you, but there is work to be done [54:02] The answer to people who say they don't care of believe in climate change [54:24] The power of wisdom over knowledge [55:40] Ending with a call to keep your faith, and a nod to nothing but beginnings

How to learn through your suffering is a concept brought to us all through our karma. Two things that seem to universally evoke feelings of uneasiness are our inner worlds and the future. What lies beneath the depths of our personalities and our behavioral patterns- the unknowns of our lineage and the roots of our imprints- and our karma is not to be feared, but revered. We are all beings of light, divinity embodied, with the ability to transcend the now into a brighter, sustainable, and spiritually evolved future. That is the message of our guest, Rita Hraiz, whose mission and purpose is to embody and evoke the essence of our spiritual evolution. Rita supports people through grief and trauma, helping other to shamanically call back the places they have abandoned themselves, to heal addictions, to glimpse and then anchor wholeness in order to experience the great liberation that comes from finally being able to find a way off the emotional treadmill that keeps us locked on the wheel of illusion. Rita and Debra have a friendship that has spanned decades; they share their remembrances of times past together and in the name of vulnerability they share some deeply personal and human experiences that have brought them to points of their spiritual awakening. As Rita voices through her Mercury in Aquarius and Gemini Rising, pain and suffering is here to pray into it, to bring about the light within us and around us. This is a deeply transformational conversation, weaving through notions of our karma, past life remembrance, death, and navigating the noise factory that is our psyche to find stillness and our path towards greater purpose. Tune in as Rita and Debra have a very 8th House conversation with the thorough and exquisite excellence that Capricorn Rita embodies- you'll walk away lighter and enlightened. Key Highlights From The Episode How to learn and pray through your suffering The transition of our humanity into "The Light Age" and the prophecies that support it The importance of balance in our lives and the ways the Universe nudges us for greater balance How Christ energy and the teachings of Buddhism have influenced Rita Rita's Astrology and transformational Saturn Return story Timestamps [01:52] Introduction of Rita Hraiz with background on her connection to Debra through the decades [04:20] Debra's thoughts on destiny friendships and the connection she and Rita share [05:24] The acknowledgment and invitation of spirit and the sacred [06:26] Debra's prayer for openness [06:50] Sharing Rita's Astrological chart [08:04] Rita's entrance into life having function and purpose [09:45] Rita stepping into the aspect of dharma and the pull between her 4th and 10th Houses in Astrology [10:57] Rita's work and life mission [12:27] Rita's Capricorn excellence and how Debra has seen Rita's growth over the years [13:01] Debra and Rita's reflections on lineage and rituals [14:43] Cutting through the delusions of this world [16:49] Jumping into this lifetime as The Fool (Tarot card) [17:40] The history of Tibet and the Tibetan people [18:21] We are emanations in a dream spell [19:25] The colored chakra featured on Rita's wall and the message it transmits [20:40] The place beyond this place that exists in peace [20:57] Debra's conversation with her son about the reality of our doom and gloom [21:24] Rita speaks on embracing the suffering and its connection to telepathy [22:06] The most unhealthy thing we can do in this lifetime [22:51] Why Debra lives in Hawaii [23:13] Are you soulful? Here are some clues [23:34] The transition of our humanity and the prophecies that support it [24:34] The opportunity COVID presented to all of us [26:40] The importance of trust in this transition [28:23] What we are being prepared for [31:26] Debra's reflections on the ego and soul and Astrology as the evidence [31:26] Debra's reflections on the ego [32:47] The main takeaway from this podcast [33:33] Thinking back to spiritual experiences 2,000 years ago to now and the next 2,000 years [34:47] Can we invoke our greater light to be the guide? [37:05] Rita's Saturn Return story [44:26] Rita's prayer for people [46:40] A note on mastery and studying Astrology [47:39] Bodhisattva vow [50:09] Praying into the suffering [51:52] Debra shares about her recent dream of being a rebellious kid [53:23] The truth of our mission of being here right now [54:34] What Rita would not want to be without in this life [56:10] Someone in history that Rita would love to have a heart-to-heart with [57:58] "Who else am I madly in love with that I haven't met yet?" [58:56] What Rita sees for the future [1:00:14] Debra and Rita share thoughts on the climate crisis and our collective healing [1:02:29] Rita's closing prayer [1:03:53] Debra's closing remarks and sharing in gratitude with Rita