C-Realm Vault 345 - Doug Lain on Universal Basic Income

C-Realm Vault 345 - Doug Lain on Universal Basic Income

From The KMO Show by KMO

March 10, 2026 · 1h 3m

About this episode

KMO discusses Universal Basic Income and automation with Doug Lain, reflecting on a pre-COVID conversation from 2019.

KMO is reposting this C-Realm Vault episode from 2019 because it captures a transitional moment that eventually fed into the project now called Getting Over Collapse . The conversation with Doug Lain took place in late September of 2019—back when we were all still living in the carefree twilight of our pre-COVID innocence , blissfully unaware that the next few years would deliver a crash course in narrative management, institutional legitimacy crises, and global weirdness. The episode opens with a bit of backstage context. KMO had recently traveled to Lancaster, Pennsylvania to record a professionally shot, on-camera interview with John Michael Greer about the sudden media deployment of the term eco-fascism and the broader question of narrative management in the media. The studio shoot required professional lighting, cameras—and yes—on-camera makeup. When KMO mentioned that experience at the beginning of the conversation, Doug interpreted the setup differently and assumed the topic was the hypocrisy of celebrity environmentalists flying around in private jets while urging everyone else to cut their carbon footprint. The conversation briefly veered in that direction before…

People in this episode

Host: KMO

Guest: Doug Lain

Topics covered

  • Universal Basic Income
  • automation
  • narrative management
  • institutional legitimacy
  • pre-COVID society

Keywords

  • Universal Basic Income
  • Doug Lain
  • automation
  • KMO
  • narrative management
  • eco-fascism
  • pre-COVID

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Getting Over Collapse, OuttaMyHead, eco-fascism

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