A Special Conversation with Bob Hotard

A Special Conversation with Bob Hotard

From The Persistence by Angélica Cordero

October 10, 2025 · 40 min

About this episode

This episode features a conversation with Bob Hotard about activism and design.

When does paying attention become a form of protest? In this episode of The Persistence , host Angélica Cordero sits down with Bob Hotard , a UX designer who turned his skill for human-centered design into real-world activism. From building safe spaces for tough conversations inside AT&T to marching for justice in the streets, Bob’s journey proves that making change doesn’t always require a megaphone—just persistence. Blending personal storytelling, history, and a little wit, this episode challenges what activism looks like today and invites you to find your own way to make an impact. This episode was written by and produced by Angélica Cordero, with a little help from ChatGPT. Our theme song is Don’t Kid Yourself Baby by Fold , used with their blessings. Podcast artwork for The Persistence features Mexican-American activist Jovita Idar and was created by Tamra Collins of Sunroot Studio . Resources For Fellow Wascally Wabbits Books Social Change Now: A Guide for Reflection and Connection by Deepa Iyer Links D.I.N.E. Events Doing Lunch Differently at AT&T by Rachel Simon Support It’s free, it’s fast, and it tells the algorithm overlords this work matters. Supporting The…

People in this episode

Host: Angélica Cordero

Guest: Bob Hotard

Topics covered

  • activism
  • design
  • social change
  • storytelling
  • protest
  • human-centered design

Keywords

  • activism
  • UX design
  • social change
  • protest
  • storytelling

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: AT&T, Sunroot Studio

Books & works: Don’t Kid Yourself Baby

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