The Ray J. Green Show

Elan Jones and Bradley Robinson are two of the best MSP salespeople in the country — and they work at the same company. Elan sold beer and cannabis before walking into IT sales the month the world locked down, then won MSP Salesperson of the Year. Bradley came from operations and project management, had never really sold, and became a two-time national Sales Champion finalist. Neither came from tech.This one's a first for the show: two sellers from the same shop, eCreek IT in Denver, breaking down a sales process repeatable enough to mint champions out of totally different people. We get into selling with confidence, why price objections are usually a value problem, how they keep a discovery call conversational without abandoning the checklist, the camaraderie of a two-person sales team, and where AI actually helps versus where it's just noise. If you're an MSP owner trying to build a sales engine that doesn't depend on you, this is the playbook.What You'll Learn• Why most price objections are really value problems from a weak discovery call• How to keep a discovery call conversational without abandoning the checklist• What it actually takes for an MSP owner to replace themselves in sales• Why drive beats credentials every time (and the camping story that proves it)• Where AI genuinely helps in sales — and where the human-first approach still winsBooks & Resources Referenced• Myers-Briggs Type Indicator — Elan and Bradley both tested as ENTJ despite their different backgrounds. - https://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/• Calendly (referenced as "Calum"/scheduling tool) — automated meeting reminders and follow-ups. - https://calendly.comGEO (Generative Engine Optimization) — the emerging practice of optimizing to be recommended by AI search, discussed re: getting surfaced by ChatGPT for "IT providers in Denver."

You can hit targets, drive results, and still miss what actually matters. This episode examines the moment when performance metrics stop telling the full story—and the cost of not seeing what’s underneath. If you lead people, this is about the decisions you make when something feels off but isn’t obvious.What You’ll Learn in This Episode• How strong performance can mask deeper personal risk in your team• The difference between managing output and actually seeing your people• What leaders often miss before a situation becomes irreversible//Welcome to The Ray J. Green Show, your destination for tips on sales, strategy, and self-mastery from an operator, not a guru.About Ray:→ Former Managing Director of National Small & Midsize Business at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, where he doubled revenue per sale in fundraising, led the first increase in SMB membership, co-built a national Mid-Market sales channel, and more.→ Former CEO operator for several investor groups where he led turnarounds of recently acquired small businesses.→ Current founder of MSP Sales Partners, where we currently help IT companies scale sales: www.MSPSalesPartners.com→ Current Sales & Sales Management Expert in Residence at the world’s largest IT business mastermind.→ Current Managing Partner of Repeatable Revenue Ventures, where we scale B2B companies we have equity in: www.RayJGreen.com//Follow Ray on:YouTube | LinkedIn | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram