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E69: Stop Paying For SaaS: The AI Playbook Driving A $1B Trajectory | Ghazi Masood, CRO @ Replit
May 13, 2026
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E68: Are You UNINVESTABLE? The New GTM Reality | Cassie Young, General Partner @ Primary Venture Partners
May 7, 2026
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E67: Your Buyer's AI Is Pitching YOUR Product (Badly) | Adrian Rosenkranz, CRO @ Webflow
Apr 29, 2026
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E66: Win More (by Losing Less) | Kevin Bailey, CEO @ Dreamfuel
Apr 1, 2026
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E65: Inside Our AI Sales Stack - Kyle Norton | CRO @ Owner.com
Mar 25, 2026
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| 5/13/26 | ![]() E69: Stop Paying For SaaS: The AI Playbook Driving A $1B Trajectory | Ghazi Masood, CRO @ Replit | Ghazi Masood, CRO at Replit, joins Kyle Norton to break down how Replit went from $2 million to over $150 million in revenue in less than a year, is tracking to a billion-dollar run rate by the end of 2026, and is hiring 200+ people over the next 12 months while rebuilding GTM from scratch in the AI era. Topics include the AI-native GTM tech stack (Salesforce as system of record, internally vibe-coded apps for revenue copilot, customer health, CPQ, and forecasting), why Replit is hiring non-traditional sellers like a former Marine and a schoolteacher into AE roles, the 80% hiring bar and 15-minute screen, why automated SDRs didn't work but inbound triage will be fully agentic by Q2, scrapping traditional CSMs in favor of customer advocates, the build vs buy heuristics for enterprise pipeline generation and system of record decisions, and why Salesforce hygiene as a sales motion is dead. Key Takeaways: - Replit's GTM playbook is being written for the first time at hypergrowth scale, which forces a different bar on every hire. As Ghazi Masood, CRO at Replit, put it: "everything we're doing for the very first time, you know, rolling out territories, very first time, rolling out comp plans, very first time, rolling out forecasting cadence, very first time, rolling out, you know, the post-sales motion. So there's a lot of firsts happening in this business because the business has grown so fast, so quickly." - Non-traditional sellers can outperform pedigreed Oracle and Salesforce reps when the product is technical and mission-pull is strong. Ghazi Masood, CRO at Replit, on the team he's building: "when I got here, our number one seller in the company, and the person was already here, was, came from the military, was in the US Marine Corps, never sold a day in his life. Absolutely killed it… one of our top commercial sellers for our downmarket business, Kyle, who's still here in that role, was a schoolteacher, never sold, doing exceptionally well." - Hiring at hypergrowth speed requires explicitly lowering the bar from 100% to 80% and trusting enablement to close the gap. Ghazi Masood, CRO at Replit, on the calibration: "given how fast I have to go hire, I make this call right in the beginning, is we want an 80% bar. So we're we are not striving for 100%… if it's 80% and we think somebody can kind of meet that 80% bar and we know that with the right level of enablement, we can kind of get them that last 20%, get them to 100%, we're actually optimizing and pulling the trigger on that person." - Salesforce-hygiene-as-a-sales-motion is over. Ghazi Masood, CRO at Replit, on the shift: "the salesperson's job is changing, right? Like the amount of research and information gathering. I mean, that's all automated. So I think they can now spend their time in front of customers where they should be. Versus doing the back office crap. You know, the teams we've managed in our previous lives, like Salesforce hygiene and people spending more than half their week updating Salesforce. And I mean, those days are, those days are gone." Connect with the Hosts & Guests: Host: Kyle Norton, CRO at Owner.com - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kylecnorton/ Guest: Ghazi Masood, CRO at Replit - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ghazi-masood-09195a2/ The Revenue Leadership Podcast is more than a Podcast: Subscribe to The Revenue Leadership Podcast Newsletter: https://www.therevenueleadershippodcast.com/ Subscribe to Topline Newsletter: https://toplinemedia.substack.com/ Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@kyle-norton Chapters: 00:00 Introducing Ghazi Masood 03:20 Low-Code Is Dead, AI Is the Pivot 05:57 Vibe Coding Your Own CRO Decks 07:58 Replit's AI GTM Stack 12:59 Replit Agent and Personal Apps 16:55 Life as a Hypergrowth CRO 19:52 Hiring Beyond the Top 1% Pedigree 22:24 Marines and Schoolteachers Selling 25:33 No CSMs, Just Customer Advocates 30:20 Sponsor: Momentum 31:00 What Breaks at Hypergrowth 32:51 Build vs Buy in the AI Era 41:05 Hiring System and the 80% Bar 52:16 Future of GTM and AI GTM Engineer 59:38 Quickfire: Scale Down or Get Cut | — | ||||||
| 5/7/26 | ![]() E68: Are You UNINVESTABLE? The New GTM Reality | Cassie Young, General Partner @ Primary Venture Partners | Cassie Young, General Partner at Primary Venture Partners, joins Kyle Norton to break down exactly how CROs must master P&L management to survive the new AI-driven go-to-market reality. As the era of software bloat ends, revenue leaders must adapt their GTM strategy to maintain investor trust and drive capital-efficient growth. This episode details the financial metrics, board expectations, and AI workflow integrations required to build a high-performing enterprise sales motion. Key takeaways: -The GTM bloat era is over... companies have to invest in inference and compute so we don't have the luxury of traditional software margins. -Use the PRIME framework to justify any new go-to-market tool... Productivity, Retention, Investment efficiency, Momentum, and Expense reduction. -You cannot sell interoperability effectively if you do not fundamentally understand how AI tools and models work natively. Other Cool Stuff: 🎧 Tune into Topline Podcast (our other show!), the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech: https://www.joinpavilion.com/topline-podcast 📩 Subscribe to Topline Newsletter: https://toplinemedia.substack.com/ 🤝 Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast: https://www.joinpavilion.com/topline-slack Chapters: 00:00 Episode Overview 01:05 Cassie Young Career Background 03:20 The GTM Bloat Era Ends 08:32 The Rise of the Orchestrator 12:16 Jevons Paradox in Revenue Teams 15:52 Evaluating Early Burn Multiples 18:08 Point Solution Market Risks 25:28 New Rules for Software Pricing 29:59 The PRIME Investment Framework 34:56 Why AI Initiatives Fail 43:09 Aligning Strategy With Your CFO 44:54 Executives Must Use AI Daily 50:08 How Boards Measure CROs Now 1:00:02 Core Four Executive Attributes 1:11:01 Career Advice for New Leaders | — | ||||||
| 4/29/26 | ![]() E67: Your Buyer's AI Is Pitching YOUR Product (Badly) | Adrian Rosenkranz, CRO @ Webflow | Adrian Rosenkranz, CRO at Webflow, joins Kyle Norton to break down exactly how to rebuild your GTM motion for AI bot traffic and scale internal AI agents. As AI bots reshape enterprise pipeline generation, revenue teams must master AEO (Agentic Engine Optimization) and GEO (Generative Engine Optimization) to capture high-intent search traffic. Adrian shares how to optimize your technical SEO for agent crawls, collapse legacy RevOps silos, and build custom internal AI workflows that drive real sales outcomes. A lil' sneak peek into some key topics we discuss: Optimize for AEO and GEO: AI bot crawls now make up nearly 20% of Webflow's site traffic. Companies must provide markdown-friendly metadata to control their brand narrative inside LLMs and secure citations over standard referrals. Pioneer Go-To-Market Engineering: Fragmented operations teams create workflow bottlenecks. Merging Sales, Marketing, and Post-Sales Ops into a single go-to-market engineering (GTME) unit is required to deploy effective cross-functional AI systems. Deploy Agents with Claude Code: Stop using AI just to write faster emails. Centralize your AI development to build autonomous workflows—like using Claude Code and MCP to draft hyper-personalized customer emails based on live Slack and Salesforce context. Build Dynamic Knowledge Bases: Static documentation is dead. Feed call data into AI to automate your Ideal Customer Profile (ICP) and "...run this every week... and you can see the drift from the previous one" to continuously fuel outbound scripts. 🎧 Tune into Topline Podcast (our other show!), the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech: https://www.joinpavilion.com/topline-podcast 📩 Subscribe to Topline Newsletter: https://toplinemedia.substack.com/ 🤝 Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast: https://www.joinpavilion.com/topline-slack Chapters: 00:00 Intro and AI bot traffic surge 05:12 AI citations vs website referrals 08:28 Optimizing websites for AEO & GEO 13:14 Controlling brand narratives in LLMs 15:05 Enable sales for rapid product updates 23:22 Escaping the AI efficiency trap 29:01 Why you must collapse your RevOps team 35:43 Building custom AI email agents 48:35 Automating dynamic ICP documentation 54:06 Generating outbound scripts with AI 57:58 Framework for build versus buy in AI 1:02:16 Avoid locking AI in black boxes 1:07:28 What separates elite CROs | — | ||||||
| 4/1/26 | ![]() E66: Win More (by Losing Less) | Kevin Bailey, CEO @ Dreamfuel | Kevin Bailey, CEO of Dreamfuel, joins Kyle Norton to break down exactly how to manage executive physiology and eliminate inconsistent performance. Mastering your mental state is the ultimate go-to-market tool for navigating high-stakes sales motions and enterprise pipeline generation without burning out. This episode breaks down the applied neuroscience of executive performance, giving GTM leaders the exact tools to regulate their nervous systems and execute flawlessly under pressure. Kevin mentioned a few resources during the show, linked here: Tech Leader Mental Performance Report & Field Guide - A deep dive into tech leader mental performance challenges, frameworks, and tools. Created in partnership with Indiana University and Elevate Ventures: http://dreamfuel.com/report Weekly Tech Leader Breathwork Session - Weekly group breathwork session hosted on Thursdays at 9 PT / Noon ET: https://www.dreamfuel.com/breathwork Complimentary 1:1 Mental Performance Coaching Session - Apply for an individual session with a Dreamfuel mental performance coach: https://www.dreamfuel.com/schedule-your-demo Other helpful links: 🎧 Tune into Topline Podcast (our other show!), the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech: https://www.joinpavilion.com/topline-podcast 📩 Subscribe to Topline Newsletter: https://www.joinpavilion.com/topline-newsletter 🤝 Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast: https://www.joinpavilion.com/topline-slack Books mentioned in the episode: Search Inside Yourself by Chade-Meng Tan The Comfort Crisis by Michael Easter The Greatest Secret by Rhonda Byrne Effortless Being by David Bingham Atomic Habits by James Clear Chop Wood Carry Water by Joshua Medcalf The Untethered Soul by Michael A. Singer The Secret by Rhonda Byrne Key Takeaways: Consistency defines elite performance: Top executives don't just rely on good days. They train their nervous systems to maintain a tight baseline of peak output regardless of external stress or market conditions. Results are downstream of biology: You cannot out-think a biological threat response. Shifting your physical state through breathwork or cold exposure is the absolute prerequisite for changing your emotions, cognition, and ultimate business results. Prime your subconscious with imagery: Treat high-stakes meetings like an athletic event. Using rehearsal visualization to run through potential objections primes your brain to respond calmly and constructively in the moment. Cut cheap dopamine: Endless scrolling and easy distractions drain the motivation required for deep work. Eliminating dopamine wasters reallocates that drive directly into your professional execution and resilience. Chapters: 00:00 Intro & The Cost of Startup Growth 06:17 Defining Elite Executive Performance 09:30 The Neuroscience Performance Chain 13:47 Taming Stress (feat. Default Mode Network) 16:23 Four States of the Nervous System 20:50 Practicing Somatic Awareness 28:00 Building Resilience With Cold Plunges 33:57 Finding Equanimity in Leadership 40:46 Warmups for High-Stakes Meetings 44:35 Rehearsal and Creative Visualization 57:51 Holding Form Under Intense Pressure 67:20 Cooling Down With Anger Journaling 75:00 Understanding Non-Duality at Work 84:00 Modeling Behavior for Your Team 89:52 Eliminating Dopamine Wasters | — | ||||||
| 3/25/26 | ![]() E65: Inside Our AI Sales Stack - Kyle Norton | CRO @ Owner.com | Kyle Norton, CRO at Owner.com, is interviewed by Everett Berry to break down exactly how to scale pipeline generation using applied AI and GTM engineering. Scaling an SMB sales motion requires ruthless efficiency and a modern outbound automation stack. This episode covers how to integrate applied AI into your GTM strategy to dramatically increase decision-maker connect rates, streamline pipeline generation, and execute high-volume cold calling campaigns. 🎧 Tune into Topline Podcast (our other show!), the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech: https://www.joinpavilion.com/topline-podcast 📩 Subscribe to Topline Newsletter: https://www.joinpavilion.com/topline-newsletter 🤝 Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast: https://www.joinpavilion.com/topline-slack Key Takeaways: Automate pre-call research to maximize SDR output. By injecting AI-generated local name drops and personalized pain points directly into Salesloft, Kyle's reps can make 150 to 200 dials and connect with 20 to 30 decision makers daily - a 5x improvement from where they started. Run GTM engineering pilots in small batches. Seat your applied AI specialists directly next to frontline reps so they can accurately assess impact. Test specific interventions—like shifting call blocks to 5:00 PM—so you're only handing proven workflows for broader application across the team. Leverage executive personal branding for inbound recruiting. Publishing consistent, AI-assisted content on LinkedIn generates massive inbound applicant volume. In Kyle's case, this has completely eliminated the need for expensive external recruiting agencies. Keep sales managers focused on core competencies. Let your applied AI team build the tech while managers focus on hiring and coaching. Chapters: 00:00 Episode Intro 01:37 Scaling AI-Driven SMB Sales 03:43 The PICRIOS Cold Call Structure 06:25 Running GTM Engineering Experiments 08:38 Structuring an Applied AI Team 10:06 Automating Transactional SMB Sales 13:17 Future Go-to-Market Team Roles 15:39 Personal Branding for GTM Recruiting 18:52 AI Workflows for Content Creation 23:19 Finding Time to Learn AI Tools 26:38 Buying vs Building Data Stacks 28:33 Using Claude to Learn Tech Skills | — | ||||||
| 3/4/26 | ![]() E64: My Team Drives 4x Revenue Per AE vs Competitors | Aviv Canaani, CRO @ Datarails | Aviv Canaani, CRO at DataRails, joins Kyle Norton to break down exactly how to build a highly predictable, inbound-led revenue machine. This episode details the transition from a purely outbound sales motion to a scalable inbound engine driven by demand generation and organic brand building. You will discover how to align marketing and sales, engineer an efficient B2B SaaS GTM strategy, and leverage AI tools to drastically increase pipeline generation and AE productivity. Key Takeaways: Account Executives should focus entirely on closing deals, not prospecting, to maximize per-rep efficiency and win rates. Revenue leaders must treat GTM as a math equation, balancing pipeline volume, conversion rates, and AE capacity to forecast accurately. Marketing must be held accountable for closed-won revenue because "...you don't count assists if the shooting guard didn't make the shot." AI tools like Momentum and Clay can fully automate CRM updates and lead qualification, freeing reps to focus on active selling. 🎧 Tune into Topline Podcast (our other show!), the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech: https://www.joinpavilion.com/topline-podcast 📩 Subscribe to Topline Newsletter: https://www.joinpavilion.com/topline-newsletter 🤝 Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast: https://www.joinpavilion.com/topline-slack Chapters: 01:23 Path to the CRO Seat 05:13 Outbound to 90% Inbound 08:20 Investing in Organic Brand 12:33 Marketer Running Sales 16:39 AEs Should Never Prospect 21:13 Real Math Behind Quotas 27:31 Building Predictable Revenue 33:38 Using AI for CRM Data 43:47 AI Use Cases in GTM 51:58 Future of the CRO Role 55:05 Books for GTM Leaders | — | ||||||
| 2/11/26 | ![]() E63: A Product-Informed Approach for Go-To-Market (Usha Iyer: Chief Customer & Growth Officer @ Hivebright) | Most revenue leaders see a missed number and immediately jump to a solution: more training, new SPIFFs, or pricing changes. Product leaders isolate variables and solve for root causes. Usha Iyer (Chief Customer & Growth Officer, President - US @ Hivebright) brings a developer's rigor, and a product leader's clarity to GTM. She explains why you should treat your GTM strategy like a product roadmap: test small, validate with data, and only scale what's proven to work. Highlights include: Input vs. Output: Why chasing results without fixing process inputs increases failure ratesThe SWAT Team Model: The safer way to scale processes Churn Forensics: How to use control groups to diagnose retention issues (hint: it's rarely just pricing). Friction Hunting: Stop selling the "happy path" and how to get at the truth. Plus a lot more. And thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Wednesday. Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Chapters: 00:00 Introduction: Usha Iyer's journey from engineering to revenue 03:52 Transitioning from product management to go-to-market leadership 07:34 The difference between winning in product versus sales 08:17 Identifying hidden customer friction points that data misses 12:19 How revenue leaders should communicate with product teams 13:36 Applying a product mindset to the sales process 15:56 Input-driven product development versus output-driven sales 21:48 Using data patterns and control sets to diagnose churn 34:46 Running hypothesis-driven experiments in GTM teams 37:39 Building data structures to track the customer journey 43:08 Experimenting with pricing and packaging strategies 46:02 Integrating onboarding directly into the product experience 52:00 Using SWAT teams to pilot new initiatives 56:16 Creating a culture of psychological safety for experimentation 01:01:05 Rapid fire questions and career advice | — | ||||||
| 2/4/26 | ![]() E62: CRO Life: from a $20B Exit, to a Hyper-Growth AI Org (Michelle Donnelly, CRO @ Crescendo) | Crescendo went from zero to $100M ARR in under two years. And today's guest, CRO Michelle Donnelly, is leading the revenue team. In a market where every AI competitor claims the exact same capabilities, Michelle argues that "trust me" sales tactics don't work anymore, and what her team is doing instead. She explains why she banned traditional sales demos in favor of building functional prototypes using prospect data (sometimes within 24 hours). Michelle also breaks down the transition to outcome-based pricing and how she she's working to compress new rep ramp time. All this, and a ton more! Thanks for tuning in. Catch new episodes every Wednesday. Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Chapters: 01:39 Introduction to Michelle Donnelly and Crescendo 04:54 Leaving Salesforce for a risky hardware startup 11:25 Leveraging your network to spot market trends 16:18 Navigating pivots and finding product-market fit 19:44 Selling amidst the noise of the AI market 25:50 The challenge of simplifying complex messaging 30:45 Strategic priorities for scaling revenue teams 33:18 Replacing standard demos with "show me" solutions 35:50 Building trust by becoming your customer's customer 40:21 Balancing high-level strategy with frontline realities 43:02 Maintaining focus with the rule of three 45:09 Using internal AI to accelerate rep onboarding 48:23 Rapid fire: Traits of great revenue leade | — | ||||||
| 1/28/26 | ![]() E61: GTM Strategy: 5 Insights from 500 B2B SaaS Companies (Jeremey Donovan, EVP Sales + CS at Insight Partners) | As EVP of Sales and CS at Insight Partners, Jeremey advises over 500 B2B SaaS companies. In this episode, he reveals why the top 10% of performers are actually expanding their outbound teams, not cutting them. And we cover a ton, including: The Outbound Paradox: Why winning companies are doubling down on SDRs while everyone else pulls back. Build vs. Buy: Why purchasing point solutions right now is a "risky business" (and the case for building your own). The Great Consolidation: How AEs are absorbing the SDR function and what it means for your org chart. The CRO Differentiator: The one trait that separates good revenue leaders from the truly great. Thanks for tuning in. Catch new episodes every Wednesday. Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Chapters: 00:00 Introduction and Jeremey Donovan's Career Journey 03:59 AI Adoption: Disillusionment vs. Reality 06:28 Shifting From Bottom-Up to Top-Down AI Innovation 08:29 Navigating Governance and the "AI Czar" Role 13:58 Why Disciplined Execution Trumps AI Tactics 16:11 AI for Performance Reviews and Real-Time Feedback 21:45 The Rise of "Build" and Agentic Coding 27:33 Augmentation, Outbound Sales, and Human Effort 41:40 The Build vs. Buy Debate in RevTech 52:13 Realistic Expectations for AI Productivity Gains 59:13 The Future of SDR and Solutions Engineer Roles 01:03:12 Redesigning Processes and Unbundling Roles for AI 01:13:06 Preserving Critical Thinking in an AI World 01:19:05 Quick Fire: Leadership, Hiring, and Hard Lessons | — | ||||||
| 1/22/26 | ![]() E60: The Claude Code Era: Mastering Autonomous GTM Agents (Jordan Crawford, Founder @ Blueprint) | Jordan Crawford (Founder @ Blueprint GTM) returns with a reality check for GTM leaders: The ChatGPT era is over. We're entering the season of Claude Code. That means you can move past static prompts and brittle workflows. We are now in a world where autonomous agents write code, execute complex goals, and learn recursively. Jordan breaks down how to set up local environments where context compounds over time, allowing you to deploy "infinite interns" against your most manual processes. A few of the topics we cover: The 3 Eras of GTM AI: Why we've graduated from ChatGPT (text) and Clay (linear workflows) to Claude Code (autonomous engineering). Adapt or Die: Jordan shares some benchmarks of the absurd growth that's possible in specific areas Atomic Leverage: How to identify the tasks in your sales org that agents can execute at scale. COUPON CODES: Get 10% off AutoClaygent.com with code NortonKnows. No limit on redemptions, but the code expires Feb 28th, 2026. Get 50% off your own GTM Playbook with code KyleKnows (limited to the first 50 customers only) available at https://playbooks.blueprintgtm.com Contact Jordan at https://linkedin.com/in/jordancrawford if you have any issues. Thanks for tuning in. Catch new episodes every Wednesday. Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Jordan Crawford and Claude Code 02:46 Defining Claude Code and Agentic Capabilities 04:47 Real-World Example: Automating Manual Enrichment 08:17 How Claude Code Differs from ChatGPT and Gemini 11:12 Building Compounding Context in Local Folders 15:23 The Three Eras: ChatGPT, Clay, and Claude Code 19:09 Recursive Improvements and Autonomous Agents 26:08 Claude for Work vs. Terminal-Based Claude Code 28:06 Understanding Plan Mode and Sub-Agent Workflows 37:05 The CRO's Role in Identifying Automatable Tasks 40:06 Scaling Atomic Tasks for Massive Productivity Gains 46:54 Developing Technical Taste and AI Intuition 51:49 The Critical Role of Context and Integration 58:44 Building an AI Chief of Staff for Decision Making 75:40 How to Install and Start Using Claude Code | — | ||||||
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| 12/31/25 | ![]() E59: Usage-Based Comp, AI, and the End of the SDR (Tyler Will, VP of RevOps @ Intercom) | Tyler Will (VP RevOps, Intercom) breaks down how Intercom overhauled its go-to-market engine after shifting to AI-first products. What we cover: - Why too many revenue leaders obsess over success metrics but ignore the inputs that actually drive them - The specific comp plan changes Intercom made when moving from seats to usage-based pricing... including giving reps MRR credit for overages without forcing awkward contract conversations - How post-sales motions fundamentally change when you're monetizing resolutions instead of seats - Tyler's four principles for comp plans that actually work Also discussed: When to do a real comp overhaul vs. minor tweaks, why RevOps teams are getting bigger before they get smaller, and using Claude Code to query Snowflake directly. Chapters: 00:00 Introduction and Guest Background 01:59 Shifting Focus From Success Metrics to Input Metrics 06:06 AI Literacy Required for Modern Revenue Leaders 09:24 Selecting Metrics Without Micromanaging Behavior 17:01 Intercom's Internal and GTM AI Transformation 20:01 Shifting to Resolution-Based Pricing Models 25:46 Evolving the CSM Role for Consumption 28:53 Adapting Compensation Plans for Usage-Based Revenue 33:52 Core Principles for Variable Compensation Design 44:37 Aligning Compensation Strategy With Product Roadmaps 52:00 Restructuring RevOps and Hiring GTM Engineers 56:44 Automating RevOps Tasks With Cloud Code 01:05:58 Impact of AI on SDR and Success Teams 01:09:10 Specific Internal AI Use Cases at Intercom 01:15:20 Quick Fire: Good vs. Great CROs and Advice | — | ||||||
| 12/17/25 | ![]() E58: Replacing Your Sales Team with AI Agents (Jason Lemkin, Founder & CEO @ SaaStr) | Jason Lemkin (Founder & CEO @ SaaStr) returns to talk about replacing his sales team with 20+ AI agents. What you'll learn in this episode: - Why Jason stopped paying six-figure SDRs who ghost—and what he built instead - The 70,000 AI-sent emails that drove 15% of SaaStr London revenue - How to pick your first AI tool (hint: do a 2-vendor bakeoff, not 10) - Why Salesforce is suddenly the hub every agent needs - The "incognito test" every GTM leader should run on their own website (And a whole lot more!) Thanks for tuning in. Catch new episodes every Wednesday. Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Chapters: 00:49 Introduction and Jason's Investment Philosophy 04:07 Evaluating Founders and the "Why Now" Question 09:32 The Step Function Change in GTM AI 14:15 Managing Conflict Between Multiple AI Agents 17:43 Replacing Human Sales Teams with AI Agents 21:50 The Importance of Forward Deployed Engineers 24:57 The Terminal Decline of Mid-Pack Sales Roles 30:09 Finding the Internal GTM Nerd to Lead AI 34:15 Executives Must Roll Up Sleeves and Implement 46:22 Fixing Inbound and Support with Instant Answers 53:15 Why You're Failing To Source The Right Tools 57:27 Evaluating Incumbents vs. AI-Native Startups 01:02:41 The Salesforce Renaissance and Agentforce 01:09:45 Triple, Triple, Double, Double in the AI Era 01:15:28 Choosing Between High Intensity and Lifestyle Roles | — | ||||||
| 12/10/25 | ![]() E57: The New Rules of Executive Recruiting in the AI Era (Asad Zaman, CEO @STA) | Hiring a VP or CRO has never been tougher (or more important). Asad Zaman, CEO of Sales Talent Agency - and one of the most trusted voices in GTM recruiting - joins host Kyle Norton to talk about how GTM leadership hiring is changing fast. They dig into: - Why AI broke the traditional interview process, and what they do now instead - How to build a robust hiring scorecard that performs miles better than a fluffy job description - The trade‑offs that actually kill VP hiring processes - How top CROs should evaluate future leaders (and spot "pre‑peak" talent) - The biggest blind spot CROs have when hiring VPs I mean... who isn't curious about the tested frameworks from the guy behind 1,000+ GTM placements a year? Thanks for tuning in. Catch new episodes every Wednesday. Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Chapters: 00:34 Guest Introduction: Asad from STA (Sales Talent Agency) 02:30 Today's Topic: The Challenge of Leadership Hiring 04:14 How AI Has Changed Executive Hiring 07:53 The Rise of the AI-Native Leader 10:26 Market Polarization: Talent Demand and Layoffs 19:03 The New Definition of a Great Leader 24:22 Building an Effective Leadership Hiring Scorecard 29:15 Defining Problems, Jobs to Be Done, and Constraints 35:11 Compensation Psychology and Negotiation Pitfalls 40:34 Mapping the Market and Operationalizing the Scorecard 49:27 Modern Interview Design for Senior Roles 53:12 Teaching as a Core Leadership Skill 56:27 Live Whiteboarding: Replacing Case Studies 01:01:54 Evaluating Candidates for Peak Performance and Potential 02:03:31 CROs' Biggest Blind Spot in Hiring VPs of Sales | — | ||||||
| 12/3/25 | ![]() E56: Becoming a CFO Whisperer & Revenue Architect (Allison Metcalfe, CRO @ Zenoti) | Allison Metcalfe's path to CRO was built on systems thinking, multiplier leadership, and a journalist's instinct for "why." In this episode, Kyle and Allison talk through what separates good revenue leaders from great ones, and how to actually lead peers and execs, not just manage them. And maybe we shouldn't tell you this, but… Allison even reveals her hardcore alter-ego that helps her better ride the highs and lows in the CRO role. Thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Wednesday. Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Chapters: 01:47 Allison Metcalfe's Career Journey 03:41 Non-Traditional Path to CRO 05:16 Architecture Thinking and the AI Era 07:25 Systems Thinking and Curiosity in Revenue Leadership 09:01 Managing Executive Relationships 10:56 Discovering Multiplier Leadership 18:44 Decision-Making Without Consensus Paralysis 24:30 Building Healthy Executive Relationships 30:11 Authenticity and Connection in Remote Work 33:09 Using Enneagram for Team Understanding 38:00 Radical Empathy Across Departments 46:27 Collaborating Effectively with Finance 53:21 Navigating 2026 Planning Conflicts 58:26 Data-Driven Decision Making and Change Management 01:03:32 Quick Fire: Career Lessons, Alter Egos, and Book Recommendations | — | ||||||
| 11/26/25 | ![]() E55: GTM AI Advice from a Salesforce & Siebel Veteran (Peter Grant, CRO @ You.com) | Peter Grant helped take Siebel from $39M to $2B in revenue and was employee #9 for Salesforce in Europe. He knows exactly what a platform shift looks like. Now, as the CRO of You.com, Peter argues that the AI wave is moving 30x faster than the internet era—and your current sales playbook is already obsolete. In this episode, Peter strips away the hype to focus on the operational reality of running an AI-first GTM organization. He explains the skill stack today's sellers need, why your team needs to understand APIs, and the specific benchmarks you need to hit to survive the next two years. Plus a whole lot more! Thanks for tuning in. Catch new episodes every Wednesday. Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Chapters: 00:00 Peter Grant's Career and Revenue History 07:32 Choosing You.com and Pivoting to Enterprise 11:46 How AI Search Transforms Sales Discovery 16:12 The Speed and Scale of AI Sales 20:55 Embedding AI Agents into Existing Workflows 27:11 Benchmarking Enterprise AI Spend and Adoption 33:14 Solving the Employee AI Literacy Gap 38:59 The Evolution of the Sales Rep Profile 43:06 Implementing and Prioritizing AI Transformation 52:05 The Hard Reality for Sales Laggards 59:30 Investing Upfront Time to Master Prompting 01:03:10 Why Revenue Leaders Must Be Context Setters 01:10:12 How Tactics Dictate Strategy in Enterprise Deals 01:12:49 Rapid Fire: Leadership Advice and Lessons | — | ||||||
| 11/19/25 | ![]() E54: $40M ARR with 50‑Person Team (in less than a year) - Bryan Adams, VP Sales at bolt.new | Bolt.new blew past past $40M ARR in just one year with only 50 people. In this episode, Bryan Adams, VP Sales at Bolt.new sits down with host Kyle Norton to break down how go-to-market operates at a hyper-growth AI company. Bryan shares some of their tech stack, and gets real about leadership—hiring "adults," firing fast, and focusing on what reps actually need to win. If you're leading a modern GTM org, this one's worth your next commute. Thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Wednesday. Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Chapters: 01:30 Meet Brian Adams, VP of Sales at Bolt.new 02:06 What Is Vibe Coding and How Bolt Works 03:54 Building Successfully with Bolt's "Plan" Feature 06:11 Layering Builds and Iterative Development 08:47 Real Use Cases Built with Bolt 10:24 The Build vs. Buy Decision Framework 12:57 Inside Bolt's Go-to-Market Tech Stack 13:59 Using Freckle to Unmask and Enrich Leads 15:08 AI-Powered Prospecting and Support Automation 17:41 Shifting GTM Strategy: From PMs to Engineers 19:54 Outbound Strategy, Target Accounts, and LinkedIn Engagement 25:13 How RevOps and SDR Growth Teams Collaborate 29:13 Bolt's Growth, Scale, and Competitive Landscape 33:03 Competing in a Knife Fight Market 36:56 Contract Structures, Compensation, and Profitability 40:38 Hypergrowth Lessons and Leveraging Automation 44:47 Leadership Philosophy: Empowerment and Accountability 48:08 Building Trust and Team Culture 51:17 Leadership, Firing Fast, and Team Integrity 52:59 Quick Fire: Great vs. Good Sales Leadership 54:32 Hard Lessons, Best Advice, and Book Recommendations 57:13 Closing Remarks and Outro | — | ||||||
| 11/12/25 | ![]() E53: Sales Capacity Planning That Doesn't Suck (Jenny Dingus, SVP Global Sales @ Clio) | Clio's SVP of Global Sales, Jenny Dingus, joins Kyle Norton to talk about why the "people × quota" revenue planning model is terrible, and what they're using instead. Jenny shares how Clio's $1B acquisition flipped their planning model, how they forecast in high-uncertainty markets, and what "drawing the owl" looks like in real life. If you run revenue and you're tired of spreadsheet fantasy planning (or just want to know what two senior GTM leaders are thinking about these days), worth a listen! Thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Wednesday. Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Chapters: 02:15 Jenny's Career Journey from RingCentral to Clio 04:00 Vertical SaaS and Expanding Market Opportunity 06:10 Disruption, AI, and Modernizing Legal Tech 08:00 Educating a Skeptical Market on AI Adoption 10:15 The Myth of the "People x Quota" Growth Model 12:05 Why Linear Capacity Planning Still Persists 14:45 The Integrated Planning Alternative 17:10 Planning Amid Product Launches and Acquisitions 20:15 Quotas, Motivation, and Momentum in Sales Teams 23:00 Multi-Factor Revenue Planning and Emerging Markets 27:05 Managing Speculative Growth Bets and Reforecasting 31:10 Balancing Capacity and Demand in High-Growth Environments 34:40 Strategic Congruence: Playing the Right Company Game 38:30 Communication, Change Management, and Leadership Alignment 43:45 Inside Clio's Acquisition and GTM Integration Process 48:40 Leadership Communication Principles and "Feeling" the Message 52:00 Frontline Enablement During Massive Change 56:45 Building Continuous Feedback Loops and AI-Enabled Training 01:00:30 Quickfire: Lessons in Leadership, Humility, and Focus 01:04:00 Favorite Reads and Closing Reflections | — | ||||||
| 11/5/25 | ![]() E52: Winning in Crowded Markets - The CRO Playbook (Jonathan Leaf, CRO @ BambooHR) | How do you stand out when your feature list looks like everyone else's? In this episode, Jonathan Leaf, CRO of BambooHR, joins host Kyle Norton (CRO at Owner.com) to break down how he's built competitive edge in undifferentiated markets—from Softchoice to AWS, RingCentral, and now BambooHR. Jonathan shares how to: - Win when products look the same - Stay maniacally focused on a specific segment and ICP - Use values and leader visibility to drive accountability and performance - Build organizational rhythm that fuels execution Thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Wednesday. Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Chapters: 00:00 Introducing Jonathan Leaf, CRO of BambooHR 01:06 Career Journey: From SoftChoice to AWS to BambooHR 03:14 Inside BambooHR: Scale, Customers, and Focus Areas 04:35 Defining SoftChoice and Competing Without IP 06:25 Competing in Crowded, Undifferentiated Markets 09:37 Building Differentiation Through Mission, Focus, and People 11:39 How Culture and Customer Experience Win Deals 17:02 Being Prescriptive: Focusing on the Right Market Segment 21:42 Hiring for Mission Alignment and Go-to-Market Evolution 26:38 Testing and Validating Sales Profiles with Data and AI 29:47 Inspecting Strategy and Operating Cadence for New Growth Bets 39:12 Why Execution and Focus Win in Competitive Markets 40:09 Positioning Products Beyond Features and Selling Peace of Mind 43:15 Point-of-View Positioning and Radical Transparency in Sales 47:19 When the Sales Experience Reflects Customer Experience 49:29 Culture as a Revenue Driver and Operationalizing Company Values 57:55 Maintaining Culture During Change and Leading with Visibility 03:52 Building Alignment and Empowerment Across the Executive Team 12:26 Lessons in Career Patience, Growth, and Self-Balance 13:42 Quickfire: Leadership, Learning, and Hard-Earned Lessons | — | ||||||
| 10/30/25 | ![]() E51: How Lightspeed Commerce Built a $1B+ Sales Engine - JD Saint-Martin, President @ Lightspeed Commerce | Kyle Norton (CRO at Owner.com) sits down with JD Saint-Martin, President of Lightspeed Commerce, to unpack how he went from startup founder to public-company executive. They discuss scaling Lightspeed from $75M to $1.2B in recurring revenue, and the leadership lessons behind that growth. The conversation covers building high-performance sales cultures, promotion systems, enablement investment, RTO and culture philosophies, and more. Thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Wednesday. Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Chapters 00:01:51 – Startup to Acquisition 00:03:34 – Global Upbringing & VC Start 00:04:03 – Scaling to $1.2B ARR 00:05:25 – Growth Through SaaS & Payments 00:05:44 – Founder to Exec Transition 00:07:21 – Empathy From Doing Every Role 00:09:11 – Leading 3,500 Employees 00:11:07 – "Roll in the Mud" Leadership 00:13:28 – Early Lessons & Advice 00:16:37 – Building High-Performance Culture 00:18:28 – Candid Hiring & Fit 00:21:42 – Transparency in Recruiting 00:22:06 – Obsession With Metrics 00:23:55 – Inputs vs Outputs 00:24:58 – Manager Pyramid Framework 00:27:57 – Promotions & Company Values 00:29:42 – Elite Points System 00:33:29 – Systemized PIPs 00:36:20 – Retaining Top ICs 00:40:31 – Investing in Enablement 00:42:05 – COVID & Lost Osmosis 00:45:06 – Return-to-Office View 00:49:18 – GTM Owns Enablement 00:51:05 – Balancing Autonomy & Consistency 00:53:32 – Payments & Compensation 00:55:35 – No Work-Life Balance 00:59:41 – Energized by the Work 01:18:34 – Favorite Book & Takeaways 01:20:13 – Closing & Outro | — | ||||||
| 10/23/25 | ![]() E50: The Secret to High-Trust, High-Performance GTM Teams - CRO @ Houzz, Tara DiCristo-Schmitt | Tara DiCristo-Schmitt (CRO at Houzz) joins host Kyle Norton (CRO at Owner.com), to explore how elite sales leaders build culture, trust, and clarity. Drawing lessons from her time at ADP and HubSpot, Tara explains why vision beats velocity, why recognition is an underrated tool, and why forecasting is more about trust than it is about simple numbers. A candid, tactical conversation about getting the best from your teams. Thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Wednesday. Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Chapters 00:00 – Introduction 01:00 – Tara's Career Journey 03:15 – ADP Sales Culture 06:20 – Shift Away from Structure 09:00 – Rebuilding Outbound Motion 11:00 – Recognition and Team Motivation 15:00 – Trust as Cultural Foundation 17:30 – Vision Beats Velocity 21:00 – Setting and Communicating Vision 25:30 – Company-Wide Recognition Rituals 32:00 – Execution Model for Hard Times 39:00 – Building Trust and Credibility 47:00 – Hiring for Trust and Self-Awareness 52:00 – Forecasting Through Trust | — | ||||||
| 10/15/25 | ![]() E49: All about AI and GTM at Clay - Round Two with Everett Berry | Head of GTM Engineering Everett Berry returns to join Kyle Norton (CRO at Owner.com) for a rapid-fire Q&A on how Clay structures its ops, automates everything from QBR decks to redlines, and experiments with the next wave of AI-native sales tools. Thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Wednesday. Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Chapters & Timestamps 00:00 — AI Q&A Format: Everett Berry returns to talk AI and GTM 01:02 — Inside Clay's GTM Engineering Team: structure, size, and stack 06:08 — Reporting Lines: How GTM engineering fits under Clay's leadership 06:26 — Matrix Org Design: RevOps, Finance, and cross-functional ops 09:05 — Balancing Self-Serve vs. Sales-Led Growth 10:54 — When to Add a CRO-type role 13:12 — Clay's Favorite AI Tools: Dust, Crosby, Granola, and Gong 15:39 — How Legal Ops Got Automated with Crosby 18:44 — Top Internal Clay Use Cases: content creation and sequencing 19:41 — Clay's Sequencer and the Future of Sales Engagement 20:27 — The "Pane of Glass" Future for Reps 24:33 — Custom-Built Sales Stacks and Telephony Gaps 26:30 — The Rise of Text- and DM-Based Selling 28:49 — New Frontiers: WhatsApp, iMessage, and automation in DMs 32:02 — Does AI Replace Sales Reps? Not so fast. 33:47 — Creative, Expert-Level Selling in the AI Era 40:47 — Education, Creativity, and the Future of Work 42:51 — How to Convince Your CEO to Invest in AI 45:48 — When to Hire a GTM Engineer (and why the "Golden List" matters) 48:21 — Closing Thoughts: It's a great time to build in GTM | — | ||||||
| 10/8/25 | ![]() E48: Work Sprawl and the Future of Marketing with Global VP Marketing @ ClickUp, Kyle Coleman | In this episode, Kyle Coleman (Global VP Marketing @ ClickUp) joins Kyle Norton (CRO @ Owner.com) to unpack the evolving marketing landscape. The double Kyles dig into: The growing problem of "work sprawl." The rise of AI-powered marketing teams How to get better results with lower headcount Why the best leaders today focus less on empire-building and more on process-building And a whole lot more Thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Wednesday. Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Episode Chapters: 1:02 – The Changing Mandate for CMOs 6:00 – From Process Management to "AI-ification" 10:40 – The New Responsibility of Marketing Leaders 13:45 – Managing Campaigns in the AI Era 17:15 – Domain Expertise Before Prompting 19:15 – Positioning ClickUp as an AI-Native Company 24:40 – Aligning Marketing, Product, and AI 27:35 – Leadership Philosophy in the Age of AI 33:00 – Horizontal Leadership and Cross-Functional Alignment 35:25 – Blurring Lines Between Sales, Marketing, and Product 41:00 – Owning Metrics and Healthy Friction 44:35 – Building an Applied AI Center of Excellence 46:57 – Operating in AI-Native vs. Traditional SaaS Environments 48:13 – Helping Traditional Companies Modernize with AI 53:05 – Change Management and the Challenge of Adopting AI 55:32 – Where Marketing Teams Should Start with AI 58:45 – Standing Out Amid Market Noise 1:00:31 – Owning the Language and Evangelizing the Problem | — | ||||||
| 9/24/25 | ![]() E47: Kyle Norton's Bets for GTM Domination (While Building a Generational Tech Company) - CRO @ Owner.com | In this episode, Kyle Norton, CRO of Owner.com, is interviewed by Sophie Buonassisi from the GTMnow Podcast. He shares the decisions and frameworks that helped take the company from $2M ARR to over $50M and a billion-dollar valuation. Kyle breaks down the bold early moves—like letting go of half the sales team in his first 45 days—alongside the pivotal role of setting a high talent bar, investing in RevOps early, and building scalable infrastructure. He also unpacks lessons on churn reduction, hiring for DNA over case study performance, and why strategic congruence across product, GTM, and fundraising is critical. Finally, Kyle offers his perspective on AI in go-to-market, balancing in-office vs remote work, and the leadership principles that drive long-term growth. Episode Chapters: (01:00) — Intro (02:26) — Scaling to Unicorn (03:21) — Bold Sales Reset (05:33) — Early GTM Decisions (13:22) — Fixing Churn (16:31) — Hiring for DNA (31:08) — Leadership Alignment (33:23) — Data-First AI (48:25) — Remote vs. In-Office (55:26) — Leadership Principles Cool links: Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! | — | ||||||
| 9/10/25 | ![]() E46: The RevOps Mind Behind Owner.com's Billion-Dollar Valuation: Steve Dinner | In this episode, host Kyle Norton (CRO at Owner.com) sits down with his longtime colleague Steve Dinner, VP of RevOps at Owner.com. Together, they unpack how to build a revenue operations team that drives real business outcomes rather than just managing tools and processes. Steve shares lessons from his journey to becoming a world-class RevOps leader, and highlights why empathy, trust, and business alignment matter more than endless automation. The conversation touches on why ride-alongs are one of Steve's secret weapons, agile frameworks for RevOps, and what CROs should look for when hiring their first operations leader. Packed with insights from two seasoned operators, this episode is a must-listen for CROs, RevOps leaders, and anyone scaling high-growth revenue teams. Thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Wednesday. Don't miss GTM2025 — the only B2B tech conference exclusively for GTM executives. Use code TOPLINE for 10% off your GA ticket. Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Episode Chapters & Timestamps (00:00) Introduction & Kyle sets the stage (01:25) Steve's background and path into RevOps (03:50) The importance of blending sales leadership with RevOps thinking (07:20) Empathy, rep experience, and solving business problems beyond tech (11:50) Winning big vs. losing small (19:15) Why trust and collaboration matter in cross-functional partnerships (23:55) Ride-alongs and staying connected to frontline reps (37:10) Transitioning RevOps to agile methodology (51:00) How CROs should think about hiring their first RevOps leader (1:05:10) Building the CRO–RevOps partnership and avoiding "yes/no" traps (1:13:20) Advice for new heads of RevOps (1:17:00) Hardest leadership lessons learned | — | ||||||
| 9/3/25 | ![]() E45: The inside scoop on GTM engineering with Clay's Everett Berry | Clay's Everett Berry breaks down how elite revenue teams are actually winning with AI today. We cover the GTM Engineer model Clay runs in-house, why prompt iteration and "taste" still matter, and the unsexy but vital work of segmentation, account scoring, and orchestration across the funnel. Plus, where AI SDR efforts go off the rails, and the concrete first steps a CRO should take to get real adoption and lift. Thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Wednesday. Don't miss GTM2025 — the only B2B tech conference exclusively for GTM executives. Use code TOPLINE for 10% off your GA ticket. Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Timestamps: (01:16) — Guest intro: Everett Berry, Head of GTM Engineering at Clay (02:09) — Origin story → growth roles → discovering Clay (04:52) — What is a GTM Engineer? Clay's embedded (Palantir-style) model & why it works (08:10) — Automating the busywork: pre-call research & more (10:53) — Why many AI GTM pilots miss ROI, plus AI-SDR hype (17:01) — Agent scope and lossiness, checks/evals, and prompt iteration best practices (24:20) — Day-1 win: industry classification; when to use GPT vs. Anthropic for the job (27:54) — CRO AI rollout sequence (33:32) — Data foundations: pipelines, API realities, and org readiness (41:25) — Org design: where GTM Engineering lives (52:10) — Team & stage: roles to hire, GTME + RevOps + agency model; what to insource vs. outsource (1:00:24) — Rapid fire questions | — | ||||||
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