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234: Great Volunteers Need More Than Spiritual Gifts
Jun 23, 2026
40m 21s
233: "I'm Just a Volunteer" Might Feel Safer. But It's a Myth.
Jun 16, 2026
32m 39s
232: The Most Influential People in Your Church Might Not Be the Pastor
Jun 9, 2026
31m 38s
231: Why “Take a Break” & “Just Say No” Aren’t Fixing Ministry Burnout
Jun 2, 2026
40m 06s
230: You Can’t Help Everyone (And It’s Exhausting)
May 26, 2026
41m 26s
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| 6/23/26 | ![]() 234: Great Volunteers Need More Than Spiritual Gifts | Great volunteers aren't just gifted. They keep growing. In this episode, we're talking about why practical ministry skills matter more than many churches realize and how growing yourself may be one of the greatest gifts you can give your church. In this episode, we're talking about: Why some volunteers create more impact than othersThe difference between caring and effectivenessWhy practical skills aren't competing with faithHow communication, conflict resolution, and leadership skills ... | 40m 21s | ||||||
| 6/16/26 | ![]() 233: "I'm Just a Volunteer" Might Feel Safer. But It's a Myth. | "I'm just a volunteer." That one phrase - one we've all heard and many of us have said - reveals a bigger problem than we realize. In this episode, we're talking about what happens when churches concentrate growth, development, and learning into a handful of people while everyone else is expected to simply help. We'll explore why healthy churches aren't built by a few highly developed leaders. In this episode, we're talking about: Why "I'm just a volunteer" may reveal a deeper beliefThe... | 32m 39s | ||||||
| 6/9/26 | ![]() 232: The Most Influential People in Your Church Might Not Be the Pastor | We spend a lot of time talking about pastors, church leaders, and people with titles. But what if I told you some of the most influential people in your church will never stand on a stage, lead a meeting, or sit on a board? In this episode, we're talking about the people shaping church culture every single week - and why the future of many small churches isn't sitting in the pastor's office. In this episode, we're talking about: Why influence and authority aren't the same thingHow every... | 31m 38s | ||||||
| 6/2/26 | ![]() 231: Why “Take a Break” & “Just Say No” Aren’t Fixing Ministry Burnout | Burnout recovery goes deeper than just taking a break. In this episode, we’re talking about why surface-level burnout advice often isn’t enough, the deeper patterns underneath emotional exhaustion, and why so many people in ministry still feel depleted even after trying to rest, set boundaries, or “do less.” Listen in for: Why quick burnout fixes often don’t create lasting changeDeeper patterns underneath emotional exhaustion and overfunctioningHow chronic pressure and overresponsibilit... | 40m 06s | ||||||
| 5/26/26 | ![]() 230: You Can’t Help Everyone (And It’s Exhausting) | A lot of people in ministry feel like they’re constantly choosing who to disappoint. The church needs something. The team needs something. People want access to you. Your family needs you too. And eventually, it starts feeling impossible to hold it all together without losing yourself somewhere in the process. In this episode, we’re talking about: The pressure to always be available in ministryWhy constant availability slowly drains usWhat happens when we keep leading without spac... | 41m 26s | ||||||
| 5/19/26 | ![]() 229: Ministry Burnout Is Real (But It’s Not Inevitable) | Burnout is real … but a lot of the time, we’re not as stuck as we think we are. We say we’re overwhelmed, but we’re still saying yes, still filling gaps, still stepping in “just this once.” At some point, we have to get honest about where we actually have a choice. Because if we don’t use it, we slowly build a version of ministry we don’t even like being part of. Where we still have more choice than we’re acting as we doThe difference between real limits and self-created pressureW... | 34m 16s | ||||||
| 5/12/26 | ![]() 228: How to Get People to Step Up at Church (Without Asking for Volunteers) | At some point, we have to admit that recruiting isn’t fixing our volunteer problem. We keep planning … and then trying to get people to care about it afterward. And that’s where things break down. But what if the real shift happens before anything is planned? When people are part of the process early, something changes. They don’t just hear the plan- they help shape it. And when that happens, ownership follows. In this episode: Why ownership starts before the plan is finishedThe simple shift ... | 26m 00s | ||||||
| 5/5/26 | ![]() 227: Why People Stop Volunteering at Church (And How To Fix It) | Most people don’t say no to serving - they say no to how it feels. And often, that feeling comes from how ministry is built in the first place. When a few key shifts happen, things become more relational, more sustainable, and something people actually want to be part of. In this episode: Why people step back from serving (even when they care)The 4 shifts that change how ministry feels from the insideWhat happens when you move from managing people to building ministry with themHow small... | 33m 04s | ||||||
| 4/28/26 | ![]() 226: Why You’re Struggling to Get Church Volunteers (It’s Not What You Think) | Most churches assume they have a numbers problem. They’re trying to get more volunteers, when what really needs attention is the experience people walk into. It’s rarely a recruiting problem. It’s a culture issue that started long before the ask - shaped by what people have seen, heard, and come to expect from “volunteering.” In this episode: Why “we need more volunteers” is often the wrong starting pointWhat’s really influencing whether people say yes - or quietly opt outThe hidden pat... | 32m 28s | ||||||
| 4/21/26 | ![]() 225: 4 Simple Intergenerational Ideas to Stay Connected This Summer | When everything gets inconsistent, connection matters more - not more programming. Summer might actually be the easiest time to bring people together in simpler, more natural ways. Not perfect, not polished. Just real moments across ages that help your church feel like a community again. If you try one or two of these, you might be surprised what happens. Why mixing ages can actually make summer easier (not harder)Simple ways to create connection without extra volunteersLow-prep i... | 27m 00s | ||||||
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| 4/14/26 | ![]() 224: Maybe Sports Aren’t the Enemy (And Neither Are Vacations) | Every summer, we quietly start competing—with travel, sports, family time—and it gets exhausting. But what if the problem isn’t where people are going … It’s how we’re responding to it? People having full, busy lives isn’t a threat to the church. It might actually be the starting point for better ministry. The tension between church and real life in the summerWhy we feel frustrated (even when we don’t say it out loud)What changes when we stop competing and start noticingMeeting pe... | 26m 58s | ||||||
| 4/7/26 | ![]() 223: What If Summer Is Exactly What Your Ministry Needs | What if the thing we keep trying to push through… is actually the thing we need? Summer changes the rhythm of everything - attendance, energy, schedules - and instead of fighting it, we might be invited to work with it. Not as a setback, but as a shift. This isn’t about lowering the bar; it’s about leading differently. Why summer always feels “off” (and why that’s not failure)The pressure to keep everything running the sameLetting go of school-year expectationsWhat it looks ... | 29m 55s | ||||||
| 3/31/26 | ![]() 222: Mistake #7: Not Giving Them an Easy Way to Quit | Church Volunteer Series | We close Stop Doing This to Volunteers: Top Mistakes Our Churches Are Making with one of the most uncomfortable conversations of all — quitting. When there’s no clear exit, service slowly turns into obligation. In this episode, we talk about why healthy ministries build off-ramps on purpose — and how giving people freedom actually builds more trust, not less. In this episode, we cover: Why every volunteer role should have a clear and normal way to endHow guilt-based retention quietly da... | 28m 32s | ||||||
| 3/24/26 | ![]() 221: Mistake #6: Recruiting (Yep, Just Stop It) | Church Volunteer Series | In Mistake #6 of Stop Doing This to Volunteers: Top Mistakes Our Churches Are Making, we rethink recruitment altogether. Instead of building programs and then scrambling to fill roles, what if our people shaped our ministry? This episode explores the difference between recruiting and developing - and why unique churches grow when we build around the gifts already in the room. In this episode, we cover: The difference between recruiting to fill roles and developing people over timeWhy co... | 22m 11s | ||||||
| 3/17/26 | ![]() 220: Mistake #5: Planning First, Asking for Help Second | Church Volunteer Series | This episode in Stop Doing This to Volunteers: Top Mistakes Our Churches Are Making looks at how we unintentionally sideline volunteers before they even begin. We’ve been taught in leadership to make plans first and ask for help later. Turns out, that’s a great way to make people feel unnecessary, unimportant, and often unseen. In this episode, we cover: How early planning decisions limit participationWhy people disengage when they’re brought in too lateWhat shared ownership actually lo... | 21m 37s | ||||||
| 3/10/26 | ![]() 219: Mistake #4: Requiring Them to Come to Meetings | Church Volunteer Series | In Stop Doing This to Volunteers: Top Mistakes Our Churches Are Making, we’re talking about meetings - and how they often do more harm than good. We say we value people’s time, but when we gather by default instead of by necessity, purpose, or engagement, we teach people that showing up doesn’t actually matter. In this episode, we cover: Why meetings are often more about leader comfort than team supportHow requiring presence can quietly drain goodwillEasy alternatives that respect peopl... | 20m 40s | ||||||
| 3/3/26 | ![]() 218: Mistake #3: Treating Volunteers Like They’re Volunteers | Church Volunteer Series | In this episode of Stop Doing This to Volunteers: Top Mistakes Our Churches Are Making, we talk about something subtle but powerful: the way our language and posture shape culture. When we treat people like “just volunteers,” we reinforce hierarchy instead of partnership, and “helping” instead of ownership. In this episode, we cover: How subtle language changes send powerful messagesHow hierarchy creeps in without us noticingSmall shifts that move us toward shared ownership RESOURCES M... | 21m 49s | ||||||
| 2/24/26 | ![]() 217: Mistake #2: Making Their Jobs Easier For Them | Church Volunteer Series | In Stop Doing This to Volunteers: Top Mistakes Our Churches Are Making, this episode looks at a mistake that feels kind - but ends up weakening people and teams over time. When we over-simplify roles in the name of “helping,” we don’t just remove responsibility - we remove meaning. People don’t stay because a job is easy. They stay because it matters. In this episode, we cover: How doing too much for people isn't always helpfulWhy easier isn’t the same as healthierPeople who feel needed... | 18m 24s | ||||||
| 2/17/26 | ![]() 216: Mistake #1: Not Asking Them What They’d Rather Be Doing | Church Volunteer Series | This episode kicks off our Stop Doing This to Volunteers series by naming a simple but overlooked leadership habit: never revisiting where someone serves once they’ve said yes. We talk about the fear that keeps churches from inviting movement, and the belief many people carry that enjoying their role — or wanting something different — is somehow selfish instead of faithful. In this episode, we cover: Why long-term service doesn’t always mean long-term fitThe fear that asking “what would... | 25m 32s | ||||||
| 2/10/26 | ![]() 215: The Digital Ministry Your Small Church Is Already Doing (And How to Do It Better) | with Leslie Kons | Your small church already has a digital ministry - whether you’ve planned for it or not. Through your website, social media, and emails, you’re constantly communicating who you are and what people can expect, sometimes clearly and sometimes unintentionally sending the wrong message. In this episode, we talk about why that matters more than we think and how small, thoughtful shifts can help your digital presence reflect your heart, not just your information. In this episode, we talk abou... | 35m 13s | ||||||
| 2/3/26 | ![]() 214: Outside the Bubble: Why Our Outreach Isn’t Working & What We’ve Been Missing | We’re sharing something special this week. Right after our Women’s Ministry for Small Churches Conference, we’re bringing you the opening mainstage session - a conversation that pushes back on the pressure-filled, program-heavy version of outreach many of us were handed. In this episode, we explore: Why traditional outreach models often don’t work in small churchesHow Jesus-centered outreach starts with people, not programsWhat it looks like to live with our communities instead of trying to d... | 52m 59s | ||||||
| 1/27/26 | ![]() 213: The Church Women Who Shape Our Faith (Without Ever Holding a Title) | with Traci Mason | So much of what forms our faith doesn’t happen in programs, events, or official roles. It happens through real women who show up, listen, love, and stay. In this episode, Traci Mason and I share personal stories of women in our church lives who shaped us in lasting ways without ever being “in charge.” This is an honest, grateful conversation about influence that’s relational, faithful, and far more impactful than we often realize. In this episode, we talk about: The women who shap... | 41m 46s | ||||||
| 1/20/26 | ![]() 212: What Women Really Need (And Why Church Programs Keep Missing It) | with Jessica Francavilla | So much women’s ministry is built on calendars, themes, and events - and yet many women still feel unseen, overwhelmed, or disconnected. In this episode, Jessica Francavilla and I talk about what it looks like to actually discern what women need in a given season, and why programs alone often miss the deeper spiritual and emotional realities women are carrying. We share how a small, multi-generational team listened, paid attention, and responded in ways that were more relational, ... | 24m 50s | ||||||
| 1/13/26 | ![]() 211: What Actually Works in Ministry With Women | with Abigail Doust | After decades of ministry in small churches — including years as a pastor’s wife — Abigail Doust has learned what truly serves women and what quietly pushes them away. In this episode, we talk honestly about moving beyond stereotypes, events-for-events’-sake, and one-person leadership, and toward ministry that helps women feel seen, known, and spiritually formed. This is a grounded, experience-rich conversation about gathering women well, building teams, and creating space for aut... | 31m 14s | ||||||
| 1/6/26 | ![]() 210: Burnout Isn’t Anyone Else’s Fault (And That’s Actually Good News For the Church) | Burnout doesn’t happen because your pastor failed, your church is unhealthy, or no one stepped up to help. It happens when we believe we have no choice and keep serving under pressure instead of agency. In this episode, we talk honestly about why burnout isn’t someone else’s fault, why that truth can feel uncomfortable at first, and why it’s also the doorway to real change. You’ll hear: The stories that keep us stuck in burnout without realizing it Why waiting for leade... | 35m 19s | ||||||
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