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459 - The Future Belongs to Humans (Ottawa talk)
Jun 24, 2026
1h 49m 02s
458 - What's at stake with The Odyssey (2026) by Christopher Nolan
Jun 20, 2026
19m 54s
457 - Backrooms (2026): A Strange Return to Normal
Jun 20, 2026
24m 54s
456 - Gavin Ortlund - Who Can Be Saved?
Jun 16, 2026
1h 46m 24s
455 - Disclosure Day: The Last Boomer Propaganda Movie
Jun 11, 2026
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| 6/24/26 | ![]() 459 - The Future Belongs to Humans (Ottawa talk) | This is a talk I presented at Chesterton Academy of Ottawa earlier this year. YouTube version: https://youtu.be/ETaRAauDxS0Buy Little Red Riding Hood now during the month of June and get the audiobook with for free: https://store.thesymbolicworld.com/Join Seraphim Hamilton in studying the Book of Isaiah this June. Register now: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/the-fifth-gospel Timestamps:00:00 - Coming up00:51 - Intro music01:05 - Chesterton Academy introduction03:28 - Jonathan begins: art, AI, education, and the Pope’s encyclical05:53 - Why AI is not human intelligence08:18 - AI lacks embodied understanding10:47 - Money, efficiency, power, and the values behind AI13:07 - The Moloch trap and the AI arms race15:32 - AI’s impact on work and education17:01 - The anti-human vision of technocracy18:40 - What education is really for21:05 - Why learn art in the age of AI?23:50 - Little Red Riding Hood promotion24:46 - Remember, celebrate, and create25:57 - Remembering our stories and traditions29:36 - Celebrate what is good33:16 - Create in service of remembrance and celebration37:11 - Sincerity after irony and cynicism39:32 - Fairy tales, icons, and Christian visual language42:58 - Graphic novels, saints, and medieval storytelling44:28 - The challenge and opportunity of our time46:27 - Q: Is pessimism about AI justified?48:32 - Q: How can remembrance, celebration, and creation be transmitted practically in schools and families?53:23 - Q: Should schools return to oral exams and oral presentations because of AI?55:52 - Q: How much can we participate in or use AI without falling into the trap?58:31 - Q: What does cave art reveal about the relationship between man and art? Is art the signature of man?01:03:02 - Q: What is the difference between inventing something new and creating?01:07:20 - Q: Do strict rules in art stifle creativity? Why do people say beauty is subjective?01:10:04 - Q: How can we recover a true remembrance of the Middle Ages rather than seeing them as dark or backward?01:14:55 - Q: What is the difference between reading traditional stories and watching movies for entertainment?01:19:02 - Q: Why was beauty dismissed from art, and why is our built environment so ugly?01:21:07 - Q: What is your favorite piece of art in your home?01:23:28 - Q: Can AI be used as a Socratic interlocutor in education?01:26:36 - Q: What is the value of teaching classical languages like Latin and ancient Greek?01:27:45 - Q: How should young artists balance pursuing art with the need to make money?01:30:50 - Q: What is the importance of boredom, rest, silence, and imagination?01:33:15 - Q: Is re-enchantment, post-irony, and sincerity possible in an intentional way?01:37:08 - Q: How can different traditions unite against AI without losing their distinctiveness?01:41:39 - Q: How do we discern beauty in imperfect work, especially in a performative society focused on excellence?01:44:02 - Q: Where do you think AI is going, especially in education and culture?🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast:-Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5-Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/ | 1h 49m 02s | ||||||
| 6/20/26 | ![]() 458 - What's at stake with The Odyssey (2026) by Christopher Nolan | There’s a lot of expectation and noise around Christopher Nolan’s upcoming movie, The Odyssey (2026). For decades after WW2 we were unable to tell many stories about kingship and fatherhood. As we move through the turbulent end of the WW2 consensus, stories like this form part of how we process the return of the father and identity.YouTube version: https://youtu.be/6prGX3wZKI8Buy Little Red Riding Hood now during the month of June and get the audiobook with for free. More than our other fairy tales, this one emphasizes the importance of the father’s role in protecting his family from the strange and subversive. https://store.thesymbolicworld.com/Join Seraphim Hamilton in studying the Book of Isaiah this June. Register now: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/the-fifth-gospel🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast:-Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5-Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/ | 19m 54s | ||||||
| 6/20/26 | ![]() 457 - Backrooms (2026): A Strange Return to Normal | Backrooms (2026) is a recent horror/thriller film based on a creepypasta —an internet urban legend— that emerged around the time of the Covid lockdowns. A man discovers an infinite, labyrinthine expanse of "backrooms" that becomes increasingly disturbing.In this video, I analyze the symbolism of the film and explore the deeper reasons why it is so popular, outshining major blockbusters with much larger budgets and marketing campaigns. Enjoy.YouTube version: https://youtu.be/ZK6NaFsBGaMBuy Little Red Riding Hood now during the month of June and get the audiobook with for free: https://store.thesymbolicworld.com/Join Seraphim Hamilton in studying the Book of Isaiah this June. Register now: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/the-fifth-gospel🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast:-Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5-Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/ | 24m 54s | ||||||
| 6/16/26 | ![]() 456 - Gavin Ortlund - Who Can Be Saved? | I had a discussion with Gavin Ortlund about the Orthodox Church's position on salvation outside the church.YouTube version: https://youtu.be/RtC8ENpbOW4Buy Little Red Riding Hood now during the month of June and get the audiobook with for free: https://store.thesymbolicworld.com/Join Seraphim Hamilton in studying the Book of Isaiah this June. Register now: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/the-fifth-gospel Timestamps00:00 Introduction and background to the discussion03:08 Steelmanning each other’s positions04:12 Gavin summarizes the Orthodox view of salvation05:37 Jonathan explains salvation as healing and theosis06:36 Normative and non-normative ways of salvation08:13 Jonathan summarizes Gavin’s historical argument10:53 Gavin clarifies his thesis about Orthodoxy, Catholics, and Protestants16:40 Is the modern Orthodox view a return to earlier tradition?18:32 Gavin explains why the 9th–19th century period matters20:20 Disagreement over whether individuals can be declared damned22:57 Jonathan responds on Orthodox theological boundaries24:54 Debate over the 9th century and the Photian schism31:32 The question: Is Gavin a Christian brother?38:37 The Synod of Jerusalem and Protestant theology41:36 Jonathan reads from the Synod of Jerusalem43:56 Gavin responds to Jonathan’s use of an old blog post46:42 Gavin outlines the Synod’s language about Protestants49:12 Jonathan argues synods define norms, not individual destinies52:28 Gavin challenges the “normative” reading of the Synod55:20 Normative texts, dogmatic authority, and qualifications58:13 Theophan the Recluse and hope for the non-Orthodox01:04:16 St. Philaret of Moscow and leaving souls to God’s mercy01:09:35 Protestant missions in Orthodox lands01:11:23 Gavin defends Protestant missionary theology01:13:30 Jonathan critiques Protestant evangelism and denominationalism01:16:21 The Eucharist, communion, and institutional exclusivism01:18:16 Gavin explains why he is not Orthodox01:20:44 Jonathan on Christ’s presence and God’s desire to save all01:21:59 Are Protestants categorized like Buddhists or Muslims?01:25:36 Salvation as transformation into the image of Christ01:28:55 Theophan’s advice: focus on your own salvation01:30:06 Personal holiness and evangelism01:32:18 Calvinism, evangelism, and divine decree01:36:52 Predestination, foreknowledge, and the River of Fire01:39:59 Closing the theological discussion01:40:33 Gavin’s apology and reflections on online discourse01:42:59 A call for patient Protestant-Orthodox dialogue01:44:12 Jonathan’s closing thanks🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast:-Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5-Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/ | 1h 46m 24s | ||||||
| 6/11/26 | ![]() 455 - Disclosure Day: The Last Boomer Propaganda Movie✨ | aliensmedia+4 | — | The Symbolic WorldSpotify+5 | — | Disclosure DaySpielberg+5 | — | 22m 20s | |
| 6/9/26 | ![]() 454 - The Enemy Who Pretends to Be Your Friend✨ | enemiesfriendship+5 | — | The Symbolic WorldYouTube+4 | — | enemiesfriendship+5 | — | 18m 26s | |
| 6/2/26 | ![]() 453 - Seraphim Hamilton - Isaiah: The Fifth Gospel✨ | IsaiahChristology+5 | Seraphim Hamilton | The Symbolic WorldIsaiah | — | IsaiahChrist+6 | — | 49m 20s | |
| 5/29/26 | ![]() 452 - Hillsdale talk - Mythological Thinking: The Crossroads of Psychology and Theology✨ | mythological thinkingpsychology+4 | — | Hillsdale Collegemodern science+4 | — | mythologypsychology+5 | — | 1h 20m 43s | |
| 5/26/26 | ![]() 451 - Universal History: What Really Happened in Eden - Dcn. Seraphim Rohlin✨ | GenesisSyriac tradition+5 | Dcn. Seraphim Rohlin | Book of IsaiahCave of Treasures+1 | JerusalemParadise+1 | GenesisSyriac tradition+8 | — | 1h 41m 35s | |
| 5/21/26 | ![]() 450 - An Exploration of Modern Dysfunction: What Pluribus is Actually About✨ | symbolismmodern dysfunction+5 | — | YouTubeSpotify+3 | — | Pluribussymbolism+6 | — | 26m 37s | |
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| 5/8/26 | ![]() 449 - Decapitation Symbolism: The Glory of Losing Your Head✨ | decapitation symbolismChristian tradition+5 | — | Symbolic World SummitResonance HQ+1 | — | decapitationsymbolism+8 | — | 23m 13s | |
| 4/29/26 | ![]() 448 - Fr. Josiah Trenham - How to Integrate Faith, Family, and Nation✨ | faithfamily+4 | Fr. Josiah Trenham | Symbolic World SummitSpotify+3 | Ohio | faithfamily+6 | — | 31m 36s | |
| 4/21/26 | ![]() 447 - Annie Crawford - The Cosmic Alchemy of That Hideous Strength✨ | alchemyC.S. Lewis+4 | Annie Crawford | Symbolic World SummitThat Hideous Strength | Ohio | alchemyC.S. Lewis+5 | — | 29m 49s | |
| 4/18/26 | ![]() 446 - Universal History: How Kabbalah Shaped America: the Land of the End✨ | KabbalahAmerican Religion+5 | Deacon Seraphim Rohlin | HarvardKabbalah+1 | AmericaNew Israel+1 | KabbalahAmerican Religion+6 | — | 59m 56s | |
| 4/10/26 | ![]() 445 - Understanding the Icons of Holy Week✨ | Holy WeekOrthodox Church+4 | — | Symbolic World SummitPlutarch: Symbolism in History | Ohio | Holy WeekOrthodox Church+4 | — | 29m 32s | |
| 4/8/26 | ![]() 444 - "FATHER": A symbolic analysis of Kanye West’s song and music video✨ | symbolic analysisKanye West+4 | — | YouTubeBully+2 | Broadview Heights, OH | Kanye WestFather+6 | — | 29m 32s | |
| 4/1/26 | ![]() 443 - Kale Zelden - There’s Still Time to Read the Great Books✨ | Great booksreading tradition+4 | Kale Zelden | HomerDante+3 | — | literatureeducation+7 | — | 1h 04m 35s | |
| 3/26/26 | ![]() 442 - "Historical Accuracy" Can Miss the Point✨ | historical accuracymeaning+3 | — | Plutarch: Symbolism in History | Broadview Heights, OH | historical accuracysymbolism+3 | — | 14m 45s | |
| 3/20/26 | ![]() 441 - Mary Harrington - Technology, AI, and Cultural Memory✨ | technologyAI+5 | Mary Harrington | Symbolic World SummitRebuild the Monasteries+1 | Woodside Event CenterBroadview Heights, Ohio | technologyAI+5 | — | 51m 53s | |
| 3/12/26 | ![]() 440 - Dr. Zachary Porcu - Journey to Reality: De-Secularize Your Life✨ | Christian thinkingsecularism+3 | Dr. Zachary Porcu | YouTubeSpotify+4 | — | sacramentsChristianity+3 | — | 1h 04m 05s | |
| 3/5/26 | ![]() 439 - Pavel Shchelin - Plutarch: Symbolism of History with Dcn. Seraphim Rohlin✨ | political theologypower+5 | Deacon Seraphim RohlinPavel Shchelin | Plutarch’s Lives | — | Plutarchpolitical theology+5 | — | 1h 23m 39s | |
| 3/2/26 | ![]() 438 - Universal History: The American Religion: Making Way for Mormonism✨ | early MormonismAmerican religious history+5 | Deacon Seraphim Rohlin | The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day SaintsThe Art of Imitating Heaven: Structure and Meaning in Ancient Cosmology | Broadview Heights, OH | MormonismAmerican religion+5 | — | 1h 22m 40s | |
| 2/26/26 | ![]() 437 - Making Space for the Resurrection of Art (Makers and Mystics) | In this conversation, I sit down with Stephen Roach on the Makers and Mystics podcast to explore why our stories feel exhausted — and what that reveals about our cultural moment. We talk about the end of the post–World War II narrative, the collapse of the hero (and even the anti-hero), and how storytelling has drifted. We also discuss fairy tales, monsters, AI, and the future of art.Let me know what you think in the comments and come join us at the Breath and the Clay conference, a creative arts gathering in Winston Salem, NC March 20-22, 2026: http://www.thebreathandtheclay.com/YouTube version of this episode: https://youtu.be/Xbr6XQlspGQ------------------------Another opportunity to come together and meet is the Symbolic World Summit 2026! Speakers include Fr. Josiah Trenham, Mary Harrington, Dn. Seraphim Rohlin, myself, and others.Date: May 14-16Place: Broadview Heights, OHBuy your tickets now and get $50 off with the early bird sale. Don't miss out: https://symbolicworldsummit.com/Hope to see you there.🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast:-Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5-Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau Timestamps:00:00 - Coming up01:21 - Intro music01:47 - Introduction03:08 - Narrative exhaustion04:38 - End of the WW2 narrative08:40 - Fairy tales11:09 - Jonathan's retelling13:17 - Art and ideology17:41 - Complexity in religious art21:32 - Trust in the audience24:33 - Participation in art28:27 - Distorted retellings32:30 - Resistance of tyranny35:28 - Identity and form37:16 - Limitation and contemporary art41:34 - AI art44:11 - Human connection45:30 - Making spaceOur website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/ | 49m 34s | ||||||
| 2/19/26 | ![]() 436 - Reflections on the Void: negativity and difference in the Bible and contemporary thinking | In this episode I try to circle around something that is very difficult to speak about directly — the void.From the opening verses of Genesis, where the earth is described as “empty and void,” we are confronted with a mystery that runs through Scripture, philosophy, and our own experience. What is the “not that” which underlies being? Why has the modern world become so fascinated with negativity, difference, and alterity? And how do we understand the necessary — yet possibly dangerous — role of emptiness in the structure of reality?YouTube version: https://youtu.be/10DS7IxOVro🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast:-Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5-Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 =============NEW COURSE: The Art of Imitating Heaven: Structure and Meaning in Ancient Cosmology By Joshua SturgillWhat is heaven? Where is it? For ancient people, the answer was obvious: simply look up at the night sky. For them, to see the stars and planets was to see the face of the divine. Christianity, too, understood the visible sky as the realm of unfallen creation. What does this belief mean, and why was it lost?🗓 Live classes are on Sundays at 5-6:30pm Eastern Time, starting February 1st through March 8th, 2026.💰 Price: $150 USD (Involved patrons qualify for a 10% discount)⏰ Register now: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/the-art-of-imitating-heaven===============Mentioned:-Symbolism Explained: The Fundamental WWII Duality That Still Haunts Us Today: https://youtu.be/vLpEDlgEleg?si=w45xD3-uGdx2WOo4-The World War II Consensus is Breaking Down: https://youtu.be/MfXxQW77cQA?si=7TnLlu7uq--Fej3D-GodsDog: https://store.thesymbolicworld.com/collections/godsdog-My recent video on the Parable of the Wedding Feast: https://youtu.be/YRMlQiNkSpE?si=JF3fy7RdFR8FtxO2Timestamps:00:00 - Coming up01:03 - Intro music01:28 - Introduction05:22 - The role of the void06:36 - The separation of heaven and earth09:13 - Not that11:18 - Let the earth produce14:32 - Asking questions16:07 - The ancient perspective20:38 - Earth being earth22:15 - The tree of good and bad29:44 - What is sin?32:37 - Examples of sin33:53 - Judging difference35:01 - Postmodern thinking36:07 - Sadism and masochism40:11 - The Mother of God43:51 - Since WW248:08 - Outro🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/ | 51m 34s | ||||||
| 2/12/26 | ![]() 435 - The Song of Creation (Charleston talk) | In this talk at St. Michael’s Church in Charleston, I walk through the seven days of creation as presented in Genesis, exploring creation as a divine song: a rhythm of heaven and earth, light and darkness, above and below. YouTube version: https://youtu.be/p2kb9ggwrp0=============NEW COURSE: The Art of Imitating Heaven: Structure and Meaning in Ancient Cosmology By Joshua SturgillWhat is heaven? Where is it? For ancient people, the answer was obvious: simply look up at the night sky. For them, to see the stars and planets was to see the face of the divine. Christianity, too, understood the visible sky as the realm of unfallen creation. What does this belief mean, and why was it lost?🗓 Live classes are on Sundays at 5-6:30pm Eastern Time, starting February 1st through March 8th, 2026.💰 Price: $150 USD (Involved patrons qualify for a 10% discount)⏰ Register now: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/the-art-of-imitating-heaven===============Timestamps:00:00 - Coming up00:57 - Intro music01:22 - Introduction05:18 - Day 115:20 - Day 221:53 - Day 333:34 - Day 438:31 - Day 545:51 - Day 6🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive montly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/ | 1h 04m 38s | ||||||
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