The Transfer Files: Inside the World of Federal Innovation

Turning research into something people can actually use sounds straightforward, but in the federal world, it’s anything but. It takes people who can move between science, business, and policy, people who know how to translate complex ideas, build the right partnerships, and guide innovations out of the lab and into the real world. That “in-between space” is where a lot of the real work happens, and it’s where this conversation begins.My guest today is Andy Myers, who leads technology transfer activities at the Kansas City National Security Campus. His career spans small business research, academia, and nearly a decade in federal tech transfer, and it all traces back to a simple but important skill of learning how to explain science to people who aren’t scientists. We talk about how that ability shaped his path, what his day-to-day work actually looks like, and how his role within a Department of Energy national security environment brings a different perspective, especially with its focus on manufacturing and moving technologies closer to real-world use.We also dig into something new that’s taking shape across the field. The Federal Laboratory Consortium is rolling out a verification for Professional Registered ORTAs, or PROs, and Andy walks through what it is and why it matters. In a space where most professionals don’t follow a traditional path, the goal is to create more consistency with shared standards, clearer expectations, and a sense of progression that helps both individuals and the broader tech transfer community move forward with a little more direction.In This Episode:[02:21] Andy shares how his career began in chemistry and gradually shifted toward communication and tech transfer[03:08] The importance of explaining science to non-scientists and operating in that “in-between” space[03:47] What technology transfer really involves, from commercialization to legal and business considerations[04:33] Moving from small business research into academia and eventually federal tech transfer[05:18] A look at Andy’s role leading tech transfer at the Kansas City National Security Campus[06:12] How DOE labs operate under a government-owned, contractor-operated model[06:58] The unique national security mission tied to the campus and its broader ecosystem[07:34] Why the campus focuses more on production and manufacturing than pure research[08:13] How their work brings technologies closer to real-world commercial applications[08:49] Examples of tech transfer areas including additive manufacturing, electronics, and cybersecurity[10:07] The challenge of entering a field with no clear or traditional career path[11:12] Why shared standards and a common language matter across federal tech transfer[12:27] Introducing the PRO designation and how it fits into the broader professional landscape[13:43] How PRO compares to other certifications and why the federal space needs its own[14:58] What PRO (Professional Registered ORTA) actually represents for practitioners[16:06] The balance between experience, training, and community involvement in earning the designation[17:14] Why PRO is designed to be meaningful but not overly burdensome to achieve[18:08] How the designation builds trust with partners and external stakeholders[19:13] Walking through the application process and key requirements[20:07] Timeline expectations and how applications will be reviewed[21:02] Why ongoing learning and participation in the community are part of the criteria[21:47] How PRO could have accelerated Andy’s own professional development[22:33] The value of having a clearer roadmap instead of learning through trial and error[23:12] Advice for experienced professionals considering applying for PRO[24:02] The shift from learner to mentor and how PRO supports that transition[25:08] The growing importance of federal tech transfer in national competitiveness[26:04] Real-world examples of tech transfer success, from airport scanners to everyday tech[27:02] Reflecting on the broader impact of federal innovation and why the work mattersResources: The Transfer Files: Inside the World of Federal InnovationAndy Myers - FLCAndrew Myers - LinkedInKansas City National Security CampusPRO (Professional Registered ORTAs)

Welcome back, everyone and welcome to Season 3 of the Transfer Files! We are so glad you're here, and we're kicking things off with a conversation that gets at the connective tissue of innovation, the organizations that help move ideas out of the lab and into the world. Today we're joined by Joanne Wong and Cassandra Carothers, two guests from IEEE, the world's largest technical professional organization dedicated to advancing technology for humanity. Joanne is an engineer by training with a career spanning IBM, HP, SAP, and Cisco, who later founded her own startup and found her way into venture capital and now volunteers with IEEE Entrepreneurship. Cassandra brings a global perspective, having started her career advising C-suite executives in Asia before moving into early stage deep tech investing and founding Departure Capital, a firm focused on frontier tech for existential resilience. Together they've been building something really exciting within the IEEE ecosystem that we'll get into today.If you work anywhere near research, standards, startups, or industry partnerships, chances are you've touched IEEE in some way whether through their publications, conferences, standards development, or their growing work in entrepreneurship and technology commercialization. That reach is exactly why this conversation matters so much for the federal tech transfer community. We talk a lot about moving inventions to market, but standards, industry alignment, and global technical networks are often the difference between a promising prototype and a technology that actually scales. So today we're digging into how IEEE connects researchers with industry, where standards intersect with commercialization, and what opportunities exist for federal labs and tech transfer offices to plug into that ecosystem. We also have an important update from the broader FLC community. Our Executive Director Paul Zielinski recently announced that he'll be retiring. His leadership has shaped not just the FLC, but the federal tech transfer ecosystem more broadly including expanding programs, strengthening interagency collaboration, and helping position tech transfer as a core part of the federal innovation mission. Paul is here to reflect on that journey, talk about what's changed in the field, and what he sees ahead for our community. In This Episode:[02:18] Joanne shares her background as an engineer, moving from IBM and major tech firms to founding her own startup.[02:54] Joanne describes how she fell into venture capital and connected with REDD's Capital out of California.[03:11] She introduces her volunteer role with IEEE Entrepreneurship and gives an overview of the organization.[03:55] Cassandra takes over and walks through her global career path from Hong Kong consulting to US-based venture capital.[05:33] Cassandra introduces Departure Capital and her focus on frontier tech for existential resilience.[06:02] The conversation turns to why they launched the Hard Tech Venture Summit and what "hardware is hard" really means.[07:22] Discussion of Moore's Law limitations and why innovation must return to hardware fundamentals to support AI growth.[08:47] The case that the world's biggest problems are physical, requiring atoms not just bits.[09:14] The roots of venture capital and the US government's early role as the first tech investor are explored.[10:28] Why manufacturing is a critical and often overlooked piece of the hard tech startup puzzle.[11:10] Where hardware founders most commonly get stuck between the lab and the market.[12:00] The challenges of team building, go-to-market strategy, and moving from prototype to mass manufacturing.[12:48] Funding gaps, regulatory hurdles, and the stigma around investing in hardware-heavy startups.[14:30] Stakeholder misalignment explored with manufacturers, engineers, investors, and regulators all optimizing for different things.[15:44] The origin story of the Hard Tech Venture Summit and its inaugural event in San Francisco.[16:30] Why startups and investors are regional and why that drove the decision to host multiple summits.[17:22] How the summits are volunteer-driven through IEEE and interest in expanding to Latin America, Europe, and Asia-Pacific.[18:52] What makes the Hard Tech Venture Summit different from a typical startup conference or demo day?[20:09] How attendees are hand-selected and vetted to ensure genuine hardware focus with no deep tech tourists.[21:35] The roundtable format explained with small curated groups designed for real conversation, not pitching.[22:02] How the safe, judgment-free environment encourages honest feedback between founders, investors, and ecosystem partners.[23:29] Day two of the summit is a half-day manufacturing workshop designed for early stage founders.[24:13] How mentors help founders understand manufacturing contracts, yields, and timelines in a personalized setting.[25:59] Future goals around tracking data, capital mobilization, and measuring real outcomes from the events.[27:00] Where federal labs and the FLC fit into the hard tech ecosystem and how they can get involved.[29:14] How people from federal labs can find and connect with the Hard Tech Venture Summits.[30:23] Hopes for a joint partnership between IEEE Entrepreneurship and FLC and spreading the word to 500,000 IEEE members.[31:43] Three to five year vision includes concrete metrics, capital mobilized, and building a true sense of community and continuity.[34:08] FLC Executive Director Paul Zielinski has announced his retirement.[35:05] Paul reflects on how difficult it was to walk away from something he's been passionate about for decades.[36:24] Paul is most proud of the sense of community that the FLC has built over the years.[37:42] Why modernization was a priority from launching the podcast to redesigning FLC Business and embracing digital tools.[38:20] How COVID unexpectedly accelerated digital transformation at FLC while reinforcing the value of in-person connection.[39:04] The focus on professional development, learning tracks, and positioning tech transfer as a respected profession.[40:43] The mentorship program, online learning, and a teaser about an upcoming announcement to raise the prestige of the profession.[42:02] How the FLC has evolved and grown its facilitate pillar and moving from administration to action.[44:06] How Paul has seen the role of federal labs in the innovation ecosystem evolve over his 30-plus year career.[45:04] The parallel growth of environmental law and tech transfer law in the 1980s and how that shaped his career.[46:09] Looking ahead to AI, quantum science, and how FLC platforms are beginning to adopt AI tools.[46:44] What qualities Paul hopes to see in his successor including passion, advocacy, vision, and the ability to listen and act.[49:25] Reflections on serving at the White House level and across multiple agencies throughout his career.[50:03] Paul shares his retirement plans and his hope to stay connected to the tech transfer world and see the many friends he's made along the way.Resources: Federal Labs IEEEIEEE EntrepreneurshipHard Tech Venture SummitsJoanne Wong - LinkedInjoanne.wong@ieee.orgREDDS CapitalCassandra Carothers - LinkedIncassandra@departure.vccassandra@ieee.orgDeparture Capital - LinkedInPaul Zielinski - LinkedIn

As we reach the end of the year and settle into the holiday season it feels right to look back and reflect. This podcast has grown so much over its first two seasons. I hope that means you are enjoying these conversations and sharing them with friends and colleagues and planning to come back next season for more.Today, we’re revisiting the voices that shaped our year. We kick things off with Katharine Ku, the former Executive Director of Stanford’s Office of Technology Licensing, followed by Representative Bill Foster, who offers a unique perspective as both a scientist and a Congressman. We’ll also hear from Phil Weilerstein, founder of VentureWell, on his work with emerging innovators.Later, we look at the ecosystem as a whole with Gabe Mounce from the Air Force Research Laboratory, Brian Darmody from the Association of University Research Parks, and TEDCO’s Stephen Auvil. Together, these guests remind us what it really takes to move ideas into the world, and why people remain at the heart of innovation.In This Episode:[01:46] In honor of the end of the year we are reflecting as we look back at conversations from this past year with ecosystem builders, licensing matchmakers, leaders, and others who helped shape the season.[05:12] Katharine Ku enters with a story about the early skepticism surrounding Google’s search technology and the quiet confidence that guided Stanford’s licensing approach.[08:04] Representative Bill Foster shifts the narrative toward the intersection of science and entrepreneurship and how lab resources can spark unexpected commercial breakthroughs.[11:15] Phil Weilerstein reframes the challenges innovators face by showing how mindset change often matters more than technical ability when pursuing commercialization.[14:31] Brian Darmody illustrates how research parks and innovation districts formed as universities recognized the need to support startups and attract industry talent.[16:49] Stephen Auvil offers a pointed reminder that trust and human relationships often determine whether a promising technology finds the right problem to solve.[20:07] The discussion turns to the operational side of the ecosystem as Paul Zielinski outlines how shutdowns and shifting timelines affect awards meetings and national planning.[23:03] The upcoming national meeting and the real world constraints that shape participation including travel limits, continuing resolutions and agency approvals.[27:08] A revealing moment surfaces as new learning tools and structured pathways highlight how education and trust continue to strengthen lab to market work.[30:34] The season begins its close with a look ahead to March and the steady momentum of the community even during quieter holiday periods.Resources: The Transfer FilesKathryn Ku - Wilson SonsiniLessons From a Tech Transfer Trailblazer With Katharine KuPhil Weilerstein - LinkedInPhil Weilerstein: Building the Next Generation of Science-Driven EntrepreneursGabe Mounce - LinkedInGabe Mounce: Powering the Space Valley Through Federal Tech TransferBrian Darmody - LinkedInBrian Darmody: How Research Parks Fuel Innovation EcosystemsStephen Auvil - LinkedInStephen Auvil: Advancing Innovation Between Labs and StartupsPaul Zielinski - LinkedInPaul Zielinski: The Federal Budget and Its Impact on Research and Tech Transfer

Researchers are advancing extraordinary science inside our federal labs, but translating that expertise into language the private sector can immediately understand is its own skillset. Oak Ridge National Laboratory decided to tackle that challenge head on. The result is the Catalyst Coaching Program, a high-impact initiative that helps early and mid-career researchers sharpen their message, clarify the value of their work, and engage industry partners with greater confidence and purpose.In this episode, we take a look inside Catalyst with the people who built it. Jennifer Caldwell, Director of Technology Transfer at ORNL, shares why the lab needed a new model for communication and collaboration. Susan Ochs, ORNL’s Engagements Program Manager with decades of experience across the DOE system, explains how the program evolved from earlier outreach efforts and why it’s resonating with researchers. Along with Dr. Angelique Adams, CEO of Angelique Adams Media Solutions and Director of the Leadership in Engineering and Entrepreneurship Program at the University of Tennessee, talks about the communication framework she developed to help scientists present their technologies in a way that lands with industry decision makers.We break down the shift from the original Safari program to Catalyst, the one-on-one coaching that transforms how researchers talk about their work, and the real-world outcomes that follow, including stronger pitches, new partnerships, successful TCF awards, and industry engagement that begins long before licensing discussions start. You’ll also hear how Catalyst is helping ORNL researchers move faster, connect more effectively, and bring their innovations into the marketplace with clarity and impact.In This Episode:[03:00] Jen explains how the earlier Safari program began as a way to break down barriers between ORNL and industry.[03:31] ORNL shifts toward concierge-style engagement to create stronger private-sector connections.[04:33] The team discusses why Safari was vital for showcasing ORNL’s breadth of innovation.[05:13] Safari receives national recognition and becomes a catalyst for modernizing ORNL’s outreach.[06:18] Susan highlights why long-term relationships are central to tech transfer success.[07:14] Safari entrepreneurs return as mentors for Energy I-Corps applicants, showing the program’s ripple effect.[08:03] COVID forces ORNL to rethink its engagement strategy and accelerate virtual communication tools.[09:01] ORNL collaborates with Angelique to redesign the program around concise, industry-ready messaging.[10:13] Catalyst launches with strong DOE support and earns internal recognition for its early success.[11:11] Susan shares why ORNL’s early attempts at virtual engagement didn’t work and what needed to change.[12:05] The team explains what makes Catalyst different from traditional communication training.[13:18] Catalyst helps identify researchers who are ready to move their work toward commercialization.[14:27] Small cohorts ensure each participant receives customized, high-touch coaching.[15:26] How personalized coaching builds confidence and sparks clarity in researchers’ presentations.[16:16] Why humility and a beginner’s mindset support real transformation.[16:51] Catalyst skills begin translating into measurable commercialization outcomes.[17:11] ORNL sees long-term impacts through stronger licensing, partnerships, and DOE program engagement.[18:45] The curriculum that helps researchers shift from technical to industry-focused communication.[19:22] Researchers learn how decision makers think, assess risk, and evaluate potential collaborations.[20:22] Angelique explains why her industry background builds trust and credibility with participants.[21:51] A high-stakes capstone event ensures researchers apply what they learn in real conversations.[22:53] The program teaches researchers to transform traditional presentations into clear, concise pitches.[23:16] Researchers develop both conversational and slide-driven formats to use across settings.[24:05] Catalyst helps researchers direct industry interest to ORNL’s partnerships and licensing teams.[25:10] Participants begin applying Catalyst skills to internal leadership situations as well.[26:00] ORNL integrates commercialization managers to provide cross-functional perspective.[27:21] One-on-one coaching becomes the turning point for overcoming fear and refining delivery.[28:36] Angelique shares where listeners can access her 15-point communication checklist.[29:02] The discussion turns to audience awareness and reducing jargon for non-experts.[30:36] Angelique explains how analogies help researchers translate complex science simply.[31:14] Michelle Kidder’s journey showcases how communication skills led to licensing and major TCF wins.[32:38] A radiopharmaceutical team uses Catalyst tools to build partnerships and launch a major workshop.[33:48] Quantum researchers transform their messaging and influence statewide investment discussions.[35:28] Catalyst skills continue delivering long-term value across research programs.[36:03] The program strengthens pipelines into TCF, vouchers, and DOE’s I-Corps program.[37:55] Catalyst becomes part of a larger DOE commercialization arc that amplifies impact.[38:53] The alignment between Catalyst and DOE funding programs becomes clear.[39:10] The guests look ahead to the next Catalyst cohort and what’s planned for FY26.[40:49] The new monthly FLC Update segment with Executive Director Paul Zelinsky.[41:53] Paul explains how the lapse in appropriations is affecting federal agencies and confirms FLC remains operational.[42:38] The mixed agency operating status, carryover funds, and essential services during the lapse.[43:27] He clarifies FLC’s communication boundaries with Congress and highlights the release of the FLC Annual Report.[44:56] Significant leadership turnover across agencies and why broad distribution of the report matters.[46:09] Upcoming deadlines, key events, and preparations for the national meeting.Resources: Oak Ridge National LaboratoryJennifer Caldwell - ORNLJennifer Caldwell - LinkedInSusan Ochs - ORNLDr. Angelique AdamsDr. Angelique Adams - LinkedIn

Behind every chart and statistic about federal technology transfer is a story about people turning ideas into progress. Economist Michael Hall, from the Technology Partnerships Office at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), joins us to talk about how numbers reveal the real-world value of science. He traces his path from an early fascination with how innovation drives economies to his current role helping agencies make sense of the data that shape national policy and investment.Michael describes how federal technology transfer links research to real-world applications across agencies like HHS and DOE, creating jobs, building industries, and fueling measurable growth. It’s the kind of behind-the-scenes work that shows how science quietly powers everyday life.We also discuss the challenges of collecting and standardizing data across diverse organizations and how his team improved NIST’s reporting system, moving from years of backlog to an efficient, parallel process that keeps federal tech transfer reporting current.With energy and candor, Michael offers a rare look at how economists support innovation from within the federal system. His reflections remind us that behind every dataset are the scientists, entrepreneurs, and policy leaders whose work fuels America’s innovation economy.(This interview was recorded in May 2024, so some details may be outdated.)In This Episode:[01:08] How technological advancement helps federal agencies address national challenges.[02:51] Michael’s path from academia to NIST and how economic development connects to tech transfer.[03:47] Overview of the federal government’s $200 billion annual R&D investment and its link to innovation.[04:20] What technology transfer means and why reporting to Congress and the White House matters.[05:07] Examples of interagency collaboration and data-driven questions NIST helps answer.[06:09] The goal of facilitating understanding across agencies to strengthen their own processes.[07:00] How surveys and comparative data inform decision-making at federal laboratories.[08:20] Using NIST’s internal datasets to assess licensing success rates and patent activity.[09:11] Challenges of managing large, diverse, and often incomplete datasets.[10:32] Why data-sharing limits exist in government and how relationships help bridge those gaps.[11:49] The analogy of analyzing team results without individual player stats—useful but imperfect.[12:59] Developing proof-of-concept analyses to guide other agencies despite limited visibility.[13:54] How Michael streamlined years of backlogged reports through process redesign.[15:33] Implementing data timestamping and parallel workflows to prevent future delays.[16:19] Coordinating agency review through OMB and overcoming logistical bottlenecks.[17:27] The long, coffee-fueled effort to modernize NIST’s annual reporting system.[18:20] The balance between routine reporting and the more engaging, problem-solving side of the job.[18:42] Encouraging agencies to reach out with data and questions for collaborative insight.[20:02] Curiosity, service, and the shared goal of advancing federal innovation.Resources: Michael Hall (NIST)

Sometimes the best conversations are worth hearing again. Today we’re revisiting a Season 1 episode recorded in April 2024 with Chris Campbell, founder and CEO of Simpli-Fi Automation, an electronic systems engineering solutions company.Chris didn’t follow a straight path into this work. He started out in electrical systems and spent years building automation solutions before COVID forced him to rethink everything. That pivot, along with support from Brown Venture Group, introduced him to NASA’s Tech Transfer Program and opened his eyes to technologies sitting on the shelf that small businesses like his could bring to life.In this episode, Chris talks honestly about what that journey has looked like including the risks, the learning curve, and the lifeline tech transfer can provide for entrepreneurs. He shares how ecosystems make the difference in helping minority-owned businesses access federal resources, why awareness is still so low, and how his own company went from early prototypes to scaled manufacturing and clinical trials.In This Episode:[01:11] Chris explains why tech transfer matters to startups and how it can be a lifeline for innovation.[01:44] He shares his background in electrical systems and how he spent two decades in building automation.[02:52] Chris describes the company’s pivot during COVID and how Brown Venture Group connected him to NASA.[04:08] He recalls discovering the NASA Tech Transfer Program and being overwhelmed by the technologies available.[04:44] The “electronic nose” stands out as a technology that could transform patient care.[06:17] Chris talks about the limits of his engineering team and the need for chemistry expertise.[07:54] He stresses the importance of ecosystems in giving small businesses confidence to take risks.[09:16] Ecosystems provide relationships and connections that minority entrepreneurs often lack.[10:29] Chris reflects on the steep learning curve of working with federal tech transfer offices.[11:36] He describes using a one-year research license to acclimate and prototype with NASA.[12:08] The discussion turns to technology readiness levels and the long runway to viable products.[13:18] Funding challenges surface, especially when friends and family rounds aren’t possible.[15:03] Chris explains how Brown Venture Group de-risks investments by backing companies licensing federal tech.[16:09] He shares how the USPTO Pro Bono Program helped him file his first patent without major costs.[17:29] Minority entrepreneurs face unique barriers when family capital isn’t available, making support essential.[18:11] Chris updates on his company’s progress — moving from development into scaled production.[19:22] He highlights clinical trials underway with Cleveland Clinic and early tests conducted on cows.[20:07] A partnership with Australian company Accent accelerates development by sharing data and expertise.[21:28] Collaborating with Accent cuts 18 months off Simpli-Fi’s development timeline.[22:55] Chris explains how building U.S. manufacturing capacity supports not only his company but others in the ecosystem.[23:42] He acknowledges the long road ahead, framing the effort as a ten-year project.[24:27] Relationships, networks, and partners are what make the impossible feel achievable.[26:07] Chris describes the struggle of finding ecosystem support when it wasn’t obvious where to turn.[27:10] The complexity of building sensors highlights why specialized partners are vital.[28:21] Ecosystems introduce companies to the right partners for scaling and manufacturing.[29:05] Sometimes building your own ecosystem is necessary when none exists.[30:24] Chris points out how silos in federal agencies create missed opportunities for collaboration.[31:56] He calls for more outreach to entrepreneurs, noting fewer than 1% know about tech transfer.[33:17] Awareness and relationship-building are key to speeding up the process.[33:49] Chris compares FLC Business to a “dating app” for connecting entrepreneurs with federal labs.[34:41] He emphasizes the staggering lost economic impact if minority communities lack access to capital.[36:00] Pilot programs like FedTech are helping introduce small businesses to tech transfer opportunities.[37:10] Chris explains the pull method of starting with buyers and then connecting them to entrepreneurs.[38:18] Four minority businesses license technologies in the first pilot program with a major medical device company.[39:03] De-risking works for both entrepreneurs and tech transfer offices when buyers are part of the process.Resources: The Transfer Files: Inside the World of Federal InnovationChristopher Campbell - LinkedInSimpli-Fi AutomationBrown Venture GroupFLC Business

When we first launched The Transfer Files, our very first guest was someone who has shaped and lived the history of federal tech transfer, Paul Zielinski, Executive Director of the Federal Laboratory Consortium for Technology Transfer, or the FLC. Today, we’re revisiting that conversation, where Paul shares the fascinating story of how federal technology transfer took root, how the FLC came to be, and why this work matters to our economy, our scientific leadership, and the public good. Drawing on decades of experience as a scientist, engineer, and leader, Paul brings a deep perspective on the people, policies, and partnerships that have defined this field.When we originally recorded this episode, the FLC was celebrating its 50th anniversary, an impressive milestone, yet still relatively young in the broader sweep of science and innovation. Since then, I’ve often thought back to this discussion during later interviews, especially as I’ve seen how far federal tech transfer has come in just a few decades. It’s a story of steady growth and adaptation.From its early days as a loose network of defense labs working together, to the passage of landmark legislation in the 1980s that gave federal labs the authority and responsibility to move their discoveries into the hands of companies and communities.In our conversation, Paul takes us through these key moments: the 1945 Science, the Endless Frontier report that first envisioned a postwar role for federal research; the grassroots formation of the Defense Laboratory Consortium; and the pivotal Stevenson-Wydler, Bayh-Dole, and Federal Technology Transfer Acts that formalized tech transfer as part of every federal scientist’s mission. He also explains how the FLC evolved into a cross-agency community, supporting partnerships, cooperative agreements, and intellectual property management. All aimed at ensuring that innovations don’t just stay on the lab bench, but make their way into the marketplace where they can benefit taxpayers.We also talk about how the FLC’s mission has expanded in recent years, from strategic realignment to new events, showcases, and tools designed to connect labs with industry. Paul reflects on the balance between virtual engagement, which grew during COVID-19, and the personal connections that remain the heartbeat of this work. And he shares what motivates him after years in this field: the satisfaction of seeing a product in the real world and knowing exactly which lab it came from. This is a conversation about history, impact, and the shared drive to turn research into results.In This Episode:[01:50] It's been 50 years since the FLC was formed in 1974. In 1945, Vannevar Bush sent Science The Endless Frontier to President Truman.[02:20] This letter lays out how the laboratory infrastructure that won the war should be converted over to win the peace. It envisioned technology transfer, advancing science, and bringing new technology to the marketplace.[03:36] Technology transfer is about completing the mission after the research.[04:14] The Department of Defense formed the Defense Laboratory Consortium. It was a group of people with a similar mission.[05:14] In 1974, the Department of Defense invited all the other agencies in and the FLC was formed.[06:21] The Stevenson-Wydler Technology Innovation Act, the Bayh-Dole Act, and the Federal Technology Transfer Act changed and defined what we call tech transfer today. The first one was making tech transfer a mission for the laboratories.[07:45] The Bayh-Dole Act formalizes the authorization for laboratories to manage their intellectual property. They can get patents and trademarks and license products.[08:45] FTA helps set up public private partnerships or cooperative research and development agreements.[09:49] The FLC Awards program recognizes excellence in the field. It also helps motivate people. If you want excellence and an ecosystem for tech transfer to grow, it needs to be recognized.[11:08] One of the most prestigious awards is the Harold Metcalf Award. He put his own career on the line to get the consortium finally put into law.[11:41] This is the FLC's 50th golden anniversary year. The national meeting is going to be in Dallas, Texas this year. They're also going to focus on where they've been and where they are going.[12:58] Paul is a problem solver. He began his career in the army with a biology degree. He then worked in nuclear waste cleanup. The technology didn't exist and they had to create it. This problem solving was how he became involved in tech transfer.[15:13] This path also led him to solving problems at the EPA and at the National Institute of Standards and Technology which all led to tech transfer.[16:26] Some of the FLC's major accomplishments of the past decade include the growth. In 2020, the FLC board was realigned. They put promote, educate, and facilitate in the bylaws.[17:25] Goals for the FLC in the next 5 to 10 years include expanding what they've already been doing. They are increasing tools and services, and having companies do reverse pitches to know what they are looking for.[18:32] A lot of challenges stemmed from COVID. The technology and ability for people to work from home has really changed the world. The downside is losing that personal touch.[20:26] The virtual world does offer a lower bar to entry.[20:52] The cross agency community is the strength and the greatest part of the FLC.Resources: Paul Zielinski LinkedInFederal Laboratory ConsortiumScience The Endless FrontierStevenson-Wydler Technology Innovation ActBayh-Dole ActFederal Technology Transfer ActThe FLC Harold Metcalf Service Award

What started as a push to transfer technology from the lab to the private sector has sparked something bigger. Something my guest calls “Space Valley.” Stretching from Colorado Springs to El Paso, this unexpected corridor of space innovation is emerging as a powerful byproduct of the Air Force Research Laboratory’s tech engagement efforts in New Mexico.In this episode I’m excited to speak with Gabe Mounce, the Director of Tech Engagement at the Air Force Research Laboratory or AFRL. We’ll explore topics like how public-private partnerships are reshaping the landscape of space innovation. We’ll learn how collaborations with incubators, accelerators, and universities are moving technology forward, and building up entire regional economies through innovation. From a solar array that now powers commercial satellites to an algorithm originally designed to predict health data that’s now monitoring satellite health, the stories in this episode are a compelling glimpse into the future of federal innovation, and the people helping bring it to life.In This Episode:[02:06] Gabe has been a career Air Force person. About 15 years ago he transferred into a civilian capacity at the Air Force Research Lab in New Mexico. They work on deploying satellite systems into space and directing energy like lasers.[03:36] Around 2016, he was invited to join the tech transfer team.[05:01] A lot of the work they do revolves around the science of real systems to increase spacecraft survivability and resilience in space.[06:08] They were also pioneering the size of objects to put in space and advanced precision navigation and GPS.[07:07] They transfer technology out of the lab and commercialize it by licensing the IP such as advanced solar cell technology. The commercial spacecraft sector has been growing.[09:00] They call this growing commercialization tech transfer and transition or T3.[10:40] Private sector companies like SpaceX we're just starting to showcase their work in 2017. A lot of companies who are now getting into the launch game are reusing their vehicles.[12:26] The federal government has always been the biggest underwriter of the space sector. New commercial innovation is now bringing down cost.[14:12] The distinction between the US Space Force and NASA.[16:18] NASA has pushed the boundaries of space exploration, while the space force is focused on enabling the DoD and its defense mission.[18:57] The assets and elements in Albuquerque and New Mexico that enable the regional ecosystem. They have strong motivation to take their expertise and get it into commercial endeavors.[19:45] The Air Force utilizes the partnership intermediary agreement. They do a lot of work with New Mexico Tech.[24:02] We learn about accelerators and collaboration to engage with the public. These programs are centered on ways to increase industrial based capacity and work with the federal government.[25:26] The Rio Grande corridor and all of the investment by the government has a positive effect on the local economy.[27:51] Gabe shares the "Space Valley" branding and how it's reached critical mass.[29:18] We learn about a couple of success stories. Including one in solar cell technology. [32:37] How a private sector company discovered how to predict satellite failure during a Hyperspace Challenge.[38:40] Gabe was recently elected to be the FLC's Regional Coordinator. He sees a lot of value in enabling the federal lab elements to work together with the other programs.[44:02] How startup companies can gain the expertise of the lab employees.Resources: Gabe Mounce - LinkedInGabe@AFRLNewMexico.comGabe Mounce - New Mexico State UniversityAir Force Research LaboratorySpaceWERXSpace is No Longer Just for Rocket Scientists and Engineers

What would happen if federal labs started driving regional economies, not just research papers? That's exactly what today's guest, Stephen Auvil, is exploring every day at TEDCO, where he serves as Chief Federal Engagement Officer. Stephen’s had quite the journey, spending years figuring out how scientific discoveries can actually make their way out of labs and into the market. He shares some fascinating stories and practical insights on how it all works behind the scenes.Stephen’s path began when an MBA class unexpectedly ignited his interest in combining science and business, shaping a career that took him from Johns Hopkins to UMBC, and eventually TEDCO. He's always been deeply curious, drawn toward opportunities to turn innovation into something tangible whether it's startups solving real-world problems, or groundbreaking medical treatments that change lives. In our conversation, Stephen highlights the human side of technology transfer, from building trust to creating meaningful incentives for researchers to take risks.We also dive into the tougher side of tech transfer: navigating the conservative cultures at federal labs and overcoming hurdles that keep great ideas from reaching their potential. Stephen talks openly about how initiatives like DefTech and the Maryland Innovation Initiative are tackling these challenges head-on. Plus, he gives down-to-earth advice for small businesses interested in partnering with federal labs, reminding us all that sometimes the biggest breakthroughs start with a simple conversation.In This Episode:[01:49] In college, Stephen had the chance to do an opportunity analysis for the federal labs when he was in an MBA program. Then they worked on business plans. Combining business and science peaked his interest.[03:09] In 1993, he started working at the Office of Technology Licensing at Johns Hopkins.[04:23] He was also really interested in startups and spin-off companies. At TEDCO, he has the opportunity to work with multiple universities.[08:38] As The Engagement Officer, he focuses on federal lab transfer and looking at federal grants.[10:48] The idea of having dual missions for Federal Labs and getting Innovations into the commercial sector.[12:33] How the culture has evolved since he started working with Federal Labs. [14:28] Commercialization helps the technology that these people develop help people. There is satisfaction in helping patients with what you develop in the lab.[15:10] Supporting tech transfer in Maryland. They've had a lot of interesting companies and technology that has spun off.[17:34] Commercialization challenges and opportunities and how they differ between university tech transfer and federal labs.[18:28] He'd like to see federal labs take more risk.[21:28] Trends in federal tech transfer and how it's shaping the future.[25:05] There are little things inventors can do to help create impact and commercialize things that will help people.[26:07] The challenge of matching the Innovation with the problem that it's going to solve.[28:40] Upcoming TEDCO initiatives including DefTech and grants. Resources: Stephen Auvil - TEDCOStephen Auvil - LinkedInKathleen Otto-Rosenblum: Connecting Bioscience Innovation to Industry in North TexasLessons From a Tech Transfer Trailblazer With Katharine Ku

What happens when a seasoned bioscience leader moves to a new region and starts stitching together an entire innovation ecosystem from scratch? In this episode, we get an inside look at how Kathleen Otto-Rosenblum, CEO of BioNTX is driving collaboration and growth in the North Texas life sciences community. With years of experience building biotech networks on the East Coast, Kathleen brings both strategic vision and grassroots energy to her work connecting startups, scientists, and federal labs.Under her leadership, BioNTX has become a critical force in supporting early-stage bioscience companies with commercialization pathways, investor access, and strategic partnerships. She’s especially passionate about what she calls the “connective tissue” or the trusted relationships that move science from bench to bedside. Kathleen also shares how their growing collaboration with the Federal Laboratory Consortium is opening up new opportunities for innovation, including ways to shine a light on underutilized federal research and rebuild trust in government-funded science.Kathleen walks us through what it takes to build a thriving biotech hub, why regulatory planning can’t be an afterthought, and how the iC³: Innovation = Capital x Collaboration x Commercialization is becoming a magnet for regional and national stakeholders. Whether you’re a scientist, entrepreneur, or tech transfer professional, this conversation is full of practical insights and inspiring examples of how connection fuels innovation.In This Episode:[02:25] After spending her career on the East Coast, she moved to Texas during COVID. She's now been at BioNTX for four years, and it's been a pleasure.[03:11] BioNTX is the leading advocate for biosciences and healthcare innovation relating to economic development in Texas.[04:06] The network and ecosystem depends on the university level. [05:00] The biggest challenge facing early stage bioscience and healthcare companies today is funding.[06:02] Strong partnerships are needed to get the science to the patients. BioNTX has recently partnered with the FLC. They look forward to strengthening the pipeline between federally funded R&D to industry application.[07:08] Serial entrepreneurs are looking for opportunities to take science out into the world.[07:49] Kathleen shares information about the iC3.[09:46] They want to focus on the cutting edge technology available at the FLC for early stage startups along with opportunities for licensing, collaborative R&D, joint ventures, and networking.[11:40] Obstacles are funding and learning how to move from proof of concept to market ready. Scaling can also be challenging. [13:01] BioNTX helps provide industry networks, partnerships, funding opportunities, and regulatory help.[14:30] We learn about a success story involving an international partnership with Belgium and improving logistics to transport medicines and bioscience materials. [18:04] Texas is becoming a national leader in biotech and life sciences.[19:31] AI and using it throughout the industry is going to be the thread through the entire summit.[21:45] Entrepreneurs who are trying to bring Innovations to Market should build a network with experts and funding partners. Join an organization like BioNTX to get connected to a community.Resources: Kathleen Otto-Rosenblum - BioNTXKathleen Otto-Rosenblum - LinkedIn2025 iC3 Summit

When you think about thriving innovation ecosystems, New Mexico might not be the first place that comes to mind. But as today’s guest explains, it is home to an incredibly vibrant network of entrepreneurs, investors, universities, and national laboratories working together to turn ideas into real-world impact.Today I’m joined by David Kistin, Senior Manager of Technology and Economic Development at Sandia National Laboratories, part of the Department of Energy’s National Nuclear Security Administration. David also serves as Vice Chair of the Federal Laboratory Consortium’s Executive Board. I caught up with him during the 2025 AUTM Annual Meeting outside Washington, DC, where we talked about how Sandia and Los Alamos labs are fueling innovation, supporting startups, and building new opportunities through initiatives like the Sandia Science and Technology Park.David also shared why mentorship is such a personal passion for him and how the FLC’s mentorship program is helping to strengthen the next generation of tech transfer professionals. Whether you are new to tech transfer or looking to expand your network, David’s insights offer valuable perspective on building a stronger, more connected innovation community.In This Episode:[02:01] David is part of the Integrated Partnerships Organization at Sandia. His focus is on economic development and leveraging innovation and IP at the labs for New Mexico.[02:30] The Sandia Science and Tech Park just celebrated its 25th year and so this is a tech park that's adjacent to the Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque.[03:36] The labs in New Mexico go back 75 years. They have incredible universities and amazing researchers.[04:30] Some of the broad technologies they work on include providing no cost technical assistance to businesses and helping companies get there technology to the marketplace.[05:51] We learn about Quantum New Mexico.[06:37] David shares how he got involved in tech transfer when he was working in economic development.[07:36] We learn about the FLC mentorship program.[08:53] Surprises include the need to keep licensing agreements broad. [10:15] Reach out if there's something you're interested in or want to build your network.Resources: David Kistin - LinkedInSandia Science & Technology ParkFederal Laboratory Consortium Mentorship Program

Most people have never heard of tech transfer recruiting—but it’s one of the most specialized and impactful niches in the world of innovation. Behind every great lab-to-market success story, there’s often a recruiter who knows how to spot talent with just the right mix of scientific know-how, business savvy, and the X-factor that doesn’t show up on paper. In this episode, I talk with Glen Gardner, one of the only recruiters in the world who focuses exclusively on tech transfer, licensing, IP, and innovation leadership.Glen has been in the game for over 20 years, and he’s built deep relationships across federal labs and universities. He shares how he got his start recruiting for Oak Ridge National Lab, what hiring managers are really looking for today, and why the expectations for candidates have shifted so dramatically. We also dig into the tension between wanting someone who can “hit the ground running” versus making space for newcomers to grow into roles. Glen offers a behind-the-scenes look at what separates good teams from great ones and how culture, leadership, and mentorship all play a part.If you’re navigating your next move in tech transfer—or trying to build a team that can do more than just manage IP—this conversation will give you real insight into what works, what’s changing, and why Glen believes that cross-pollination between academia, industry, and federal labs is the key to the future of innovation.In This Episode:[01:41] We learn how Glen got into the tech transfer space. He started out as an IT recruiter and was asked to find someone to help commercialize intellectual property. [02:42] Glen shares his inspiration for Gardner Innovation Search Partners.[04:03] His firm specializes in talent acquisition for tech transfer, IP, licensing, and innovation leadership. Recruits need a background in all of this plus possible specialization in specific desired areas. [05:25] The landscape of hiring in tech transfer has become more narrow as it has progressed. There's only about 10,000 people in the world who do this.[07:35] People who can hit the ground running and have cradle-to-grave experience are highly desired.[09:09] The importance of cross-pollinating in the federal lab community and adding diversity of thought.[10:02] The importance of having a network in tech transfer. Attend conferences and meet with people.[11:07] AUTM has a mentoring program that can help junior people. The FLC also has a pilot mentoring program.[11:59] What separates a good leader from an average leader?[13:44] Specialized recruiters know the backstory of candidates.[15:50] There's a need for more people in tech transfer. [16:31] We talk about incorporating AI into the process. It's a work in progress.[18:39] Get involved in the FLC. Use the app and meet people. Network and reach across the aisle. Volunteer and get on committees.Resources: Gardner Innovation Search PartnersGlen Gardner - LinkedInFLC Learning CenterLeading with Vision: Dr. John Kaplan on Growing the VA’s T2 Program