The Well-led Podcast

Episode Description Feedback is not a one-time event, a required correction, or a gift someone should simply accept. Done well, feedback is an ongoing conversation that helps people understand the story of their work—the impact they are having, the progress they are making, and the support available to help them continue growing. In this episode of The Well-led Podcast, Kate Johnson welcomes Kim Rohrer, owner of Patchwork Portfolio, back for a conversation about feedback, storytelling, and the role leaders play in supporting performance. Together, they explore why feedback should center the person receiving it, how clarity and accountability create the foundation for meaningful conversations, and why effective feedback is ultimately an act of care. If you would like practical tools that accompany conversations like this one, you can request the current free leadership toolkit at https://www.one23ltd.com/toolkits . Subscribers to the onetwentythree ltd newsletter receive these resources automatically each month. Key takeaways Feedback is the way we ensure people know the results of their efforts. Effective feedback tells a true story about work performance, impact, and growth. Feedback should begin a conversation, not end one. Support is what turns feedback from criticism into leadership. Timestamps 00:00 | Welcome Back & Kim’s Storytelling Lens 02:10 | Feedback as the Story of Work 06:24 | Why “Feedback Is a Gift” Misses the Point 10:39 | Feedback as Support, Not a Drop-Off 16:21 | Clarity, Accountability, and the Real Job of Management 21:32 | Feedback as an Act of Care (Wardrobe Stories) 29:12 | Past Feedback Trauma, Culture, and Shared Standards 37:30 | Moving Beyond the Compliment Sandwich & Making Feedback Easier Keywords: feedback conversations, leadership feedback, employee performance, workplace communication, human leadership, supportive leadership, accountability, manager development, employee growth, feedback culture

This episode of The Well-Led Podcast: Other Voices explores what empathy really means in leadership—and why it plays a central role in building trust at work. Rather than treating empathy as a soft skill or personality trait, contributors describe it as a learned practice that requires presence, restraint, and the willingness to sit with discomfort. Through personal stories and professional reflections, this episode helps leaders understand how empathy shows up in real moments and why it changes how people experience leadership. In this episode, contributors respond to two guiding questions: How do you define empathy? And who taught you to accept empathy from others—and how did that change your leadership? Their answers reveal that empathy is shaped by experience, strengthened through relationships, and essential to creating psychological safety without lowering expectations. Request your copy of the Vulnerability in Leadership Toolkit. Guest Information, listed alphabetically Peggy Mark, Ph.D. In her role as executive coach and leadership consultant, Peggy leverages her expertise in healthcare leadership, organizational learning, and nursing administration to support executives in discovering their own unique skills as a leader. Peggy is a lifelong student of leadership and organizational change. She finds immense joy in watching others succeed in their leadership journey. Peggy Mark - Break-Through, LLC | LinkedIn Utkarsh Narang Utkarsh is the founder and CEO of IgnitedNeurons, a learning and development consultancy that strives to help its learners build new connections that lead to lasting change. With an extensive background in operations and transformational coaching, he is also the host of the IgnitedNeurons podcast. Utkarsh Narang - Executive Coach Helping Ambitious Professionals Breakthrough Stuck Careers & Inner Frustration | Ignite Life Method Ignited Neurons The IgnitedNeurons Podcast - YouTube Angela Wale Angela has a long reputation as an insightful and compassionate professional, leader, and colleague. She currently serves as an executive nurse leader responsible for integrating technology resources with nursing practice, professional development, education and research for a regional health system. Find Angela on LinkedIn Key takeaways Empathy is not about being agreeable, emotional, or soft Empathy requires presence, not problem-solving Leaders often need to learn how to receive empathy before offering it Listening without fixing builds trust and psychological safety Empathy helps people feel seen, heard, and valued Empathy does not remove accountability or standards Slowing down is often the hardest part of empathetic leadership Leaders model empathy through how they respond to struggle Trust grows when empathy is consistent, not performative Empathy strengthens both relationships and results Timestamps [0:00:00] – Kate’s introduction to the Well Led Podcast & empathy theme [0:01:36] – Peggy defines empathy as perspective-taking and compassionate listening [0:02:40] – Peggy describes her husband teaching her to accept care and vulnerability [0:05:54] – Utkarsh introduces himself and defines empathy as presence without control or fixing [0:08:10] – Utkarsh’s coaching moment: being fully seen, silence, and emotional “cracking open” [0:13:30] – Angela defines empathy as strengthening human connection through validation [0:18:20] – Angela’s leadership example: resisting the urge to fix and asking how to best support Keywords empathy in leadership, building trust at work, empathetic leadership, psychological safety, leadership presence, human-centered leadership, leadership vulnerability, trust at work, emotional intelligence leadership, other voices podcast

In this episode, you will learn how vulnerability strengthens leadership effectiveness. Rather than treating vulnerability as oversharing or weakness, this lesson clarifies it as a leadership competency grounded in judgment, boundaries, and self-awareness. We translate vulnerability into observable behaviors leaders can practice immediately, outlining what it can look like in day-to-day leadership. You will leave with concrete behaviors you can apply immediately, along with strategies for managing the emotional cost of leading openly without burning out. Download the one-page resource: Leading with Vulnerability without Burning Out Key takeaways Vulnerability is a leadership competency that requires choice and intention Withholding vulnerability increases silence, self-protection, and disengagement on teams Leaders can show vulnerability by owning mistakes, admitting limits, and sharing context Thoughtful vulnerability strengthens credibility rather than undermining competence Boundaries, judgment, and timing are essential to practicing vulnerability well Leaders can demonstrate humanity without emotional dumping or loss of authority Vulnerability carries a cost and requires attention to energy and burnout Debriefing, decompression, and reflection help leaders sustain vulnerable leadership Timestamps [0:00:00] - Introduction: Vulnerability as Daily Leadership Practice [0:01:30] - Vulnerability Cultivates Team Trust & Collaboration [0:02:35] - Review of Previous Episodes & Need for Observable Behaviors [0:03:30] - Listing Human Characteristics Leaders Face [0:05:00] - Examples: Owning Emotions and Managing Illness [0:06:40] - Tenderness Toward Teams During Difficult Times [0:08:00] - Concrete Ways to Model Vulnerability (Mistakes, Ignorance) [0:09:30] - Accepting Feedback and Building Diverse Teams [0:11:52] - Managing Costs: Debriefing, Decompression, Reflection [0:14:56] - Final Takeaways & Next Topic Preview (Empathy) Keywords vulnerability and leadership leadership effectiveness leadership competence psychological safety trust at work human leadership leadership behaviors self-aware leadership workplace culture emotional intelligence

In this episode, leaders will learn why vulnerability is not a weakness but a critical leadership skill. The conversation explores how openness, honesty, and the willingness to share both successes and failures directly influence trust, psychological safety, and team performance. Listeners will gain practical insight into how vulnerable leadership improves communication, strengthens relationships, and creates environments where people feel safe to contribute fully. Special thanks to Kim Rohrer for sharing her time and insights this week. Kim is a storyteller and connector who has dedicated her career to creating values-driven corporate cultures and innovative approaches to HR. Founder of Patchwork Portfolio, she blends her expertise and creativity to help leaders communicate with employees, customers, and communities. She shares her insights and experiences at icaretoomuch.substack.com You can connect with her on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kimrohrer/ And explore her business website here: https://www.patchworkportfolio.com/ Key Takeaways:• Why leaders often resist vulnerability and how that resistance affects teams• Why employees are more engaged when leaders are open and honest• What Gallup research reveals about engagement and communication• How vulnerability supports innovation and creativity• The role of vulnerability in authentic leadership Timestamps: [0:00:03] - Podcast Introduction & Theme Overview [0:00:50] - Explanation of 'Other Voices' Segment [0:01:46] - Gallup Research on Leadership & Vulnerability [0:02:20] - Importance of Humanity in Leadership [0:03:26] - Kim Rohr’s Introduction [0:04:00] - Reluctance of Leaders to Show Vulnerability [0:05:20] - Impact of Hiding Failures/Challenges at Work [0:06:41] - Summary of Kim’s Perspective: Vulnerability’s Role in Team Dynamics [0:06:48] - Four Inspirational Quotes on Vulnerability [0:09:01] - Podcast Closing and Next Episode Preview Keywords: vulnerability in leadership, leadership trust, psychological safety, employee engagement, authentic leadership, workplace trust, leadership communication, Gallup research, innovation at work, human-centered leadership