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by Susan Wise Bauer & Susanna Jarrett
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Responding to Listener Questions (or Things We Should Talk About More in the Homeschool Community!)
May 13, 2026
1h 01m 32s
Education and AI w/ Jose Vargas
May 6, 2026
54m 30s
RE-RELEASE: Homeschooled by Susan Wise Bauer w/ Chris Bauer
Apr 29, 2026
53m 18s
The Label Debate w/ Heather Quintero
Apr 22, 2026
55m 25s
Nationalism and Classical Education w/ Nendir Noel
Apr 15, 2026
53m 11s
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| Date | Episode | Topics | Guests | Brands | Places | Keywords | Sponsor | Length | |
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| 5/13/26 | ![]() Responding to Listener Questions (or Things We Should Talk About More in the Homeschool Community!)✨ | listener questionshomeschool community+3 | — | — | — | homeschoolinglistener questions+3 | — | 1h 01m 32s | |
| 5/6/26 | ![]() Education and AI w/ Jose Vargas✨ | educationAI+3 | Jose Vargas | — | — | educationAI+5 | — | 54m 30s | |
| 4/29/26 | ![]() RE-RELEASE: Homeschooled by Susan Wise Bauer w/ Chris Bauer✨ | homeschoolingpersonal experiences+3 | Chris Bauer | The Well-Trained Mind | — | homeschoolSusan Wise Bauer+4 | — | 53m 18s | |
| 4/22/26 | ![]() The Label Debate w/ Heather Quintero✨ | learning differencesdiagnosis+3 | Heather Quintero | NPRRethinking School | — | learning differencesADHD+4 | — | 55m 25s | |
| 4/15/26 | ![]() Nationalism and Classical Education w/ Nendir Noel✨ | classical educationnationalism+4 | Nendir Noel | Cannon PressPharos+2 | — | classical educationnationalism+4 | — | 53m 11s | |
| 4/8/26 | ![]() Choosing Homeschool Curricula Without Anxiety, Noise, or Peer Pressure w/ Mel Moore and Bridget Nickerson✨ | homeschoolingcurriculum choice+3 | Mel MooreBridget Nickerson | — | — | homeschool curriculaeducation+3 | — | 51m 21s | |
| 4/1/26 | ![]() Are Homeschool History Programs Accurate? w/ Dr. Warren Throckmorton✨ | homeschoolinghistory accuracy+3 | Dr. Warren Throckmorton | Getting Jefferson Right: Fact-Checking Claims About Our Third PresidentThe Christian Past That Wasn't: Debunking the Christian Nationalist Myths that Hijack History+9 | — | homeschool historycurriculum accuracy+3 | — | 1h 03m 49s | |
| 3/25/26 | ![]() Should Christians Attend Secular Universities? W/ Dr. Karen Swallow Prior✨ | Christian educationsecular universities+4 | Karen Swallow Prior | You Have a Calling: Finding Your Vocation in the True, Good, and BeautifulThe Evangelical Imagination: How Stories, Images, and Metaphors Created a Culture in Crisis | — | Christian universitieseducation+4 | — | 57m 06s | |
| 3/18/26 | ![]() Homeschool and Abuse, Discipline Strategies, and Parental Authority w/ Rachael Denhollander✨ | homeschoolingabuse+3 | Rachael Denhollander | Christianity TodayPacific Standard+1 | — | homeschoolingabuse+4 | — | 1h 02m 38s | |
| 3/11/26 | ![]() Parenting Styles, Discipline Strategies, and Homeschooling w/ Dr. Melanie Wilson✨ | parenting stylesdiscipline strategies+4 | Dr. Melanie Wilson | The Homeschool Sanity ShowFun to Learn Books | — | parentingdiscipline+5 | — | 51m 14s | |
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| 3/4/26 | ![]() The Myth of Good Christian Parenting w/ Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis✨ | Christian parentingtheology and parenting+3 | Marissa Franks BurtKelsey Kramer McGinnis | Baker BookshopAmazon+13 | — | Christian parentingtheology+3 | — | 56m 57s | |
| 10/1/25 | ![]() A Special Announcement! (The Story of the World Volume 1: 25th Anniversary Expanded Edition)✨ | 25th AnniversaryThe Story of the World+5 | — | audiobookPDF+3 | — | The Story of the World25th Anniversary+6 | — | 18m 30s | |
| 8/27/25 | ![]() The Joys and Challenges of Homeschooling w/ Our Podcast Listeners✨ | homeschoolinglistener responses+3 | — | — | — | homeschoolinglistener feedback+3 | — | 50m 18s | |
| 6/12/24 | ![]() Teaching Science the Classical Way w/ Courtney Ostaff | Here are all the curricula we talk about in the episode, so you can check them out for yourself: Elemental Science Real Science Odyssey Nancy Larson Science Blossom and Root Scientific Connections Through InquiryOnline Courses/Well-Trained Mind AcademyElemental Science (CK12) Build Your Library CK12 FoundationCentripetal Science (00:00) - Intro with Courtney Ostaff (01:17) - The goals of a science curriculum (24:17) - Searching for the perfect homeschool science curriculum (28:11) - Elemental Science (30:59) - Real Science Odyssey (32:33) - Nancy Larson Science (36:19) - Blossom and Root (40:09) - Scientific Connections Through Inquiry (47:04) - Online Courses/Well-Trained Mind Academy (52:07) - Elemental Science (CK12) (53:56) - Build Your Library (55:22) - CK12 Foundation (56:56) - Centripetal Science (01:00:19) - Wrapping up | 1h 00m 52s | ||||||
| 6/5/24 | ![]() Homeschooling: The Outside Gaze | What About Socialization? Via Well-Trained MindVIDEO: Should I Join a Homeschool Co-Op? Recommended Book: The Artist's Way by Julia CameronSusan's Book: Rethinking School (00:00) - Intro (01:44) - How to prepare for the Outside Gaze (03:27) - Peer pressure when homeschooling (13:06) - What is your "Why"? (22:05) - Homeschooling groups and co-ops (32:18) - What about socialization? (47:17) - Stay true to yourself (48:43) - Outro | 49m 10s | ||||||
| 5/29/24 | ![]() Teaching Math the Classical Way w/ Kate Snow | Check out Kate Snow's Website: https://kateshomeschoolmath.com/!You can purchase Kate's curricula, Math with Confidence and Facts that Stick on our website, welltrainedmind.com. (00:00) - Check out 4th Grade Math with Confidence! (00:25) - Intro with Kate Snow (02:28) - Kate's background (06:30) - The problems with math curriculum (12:23) - Ripping apart Saxon (15:34) - Conceptual math vs procedural (20:06) - Break (20:07) - Math You See & manipulatives (29:56) - Math with Confidence (33:42) - Recommendations for teaching varying levels of math interest (43:56) - Outro | Visit kateshomeschoolmath.com | 44m 53s | ||||||
| 5/22/24 | ![]() RE-RELEASE: Classical Education for College-bound Students | Summary: In this episode, Susan Wise Bauer and Susanna Jarrett discuss how a classical education prepares students for university education and what adjustments may need to be made to ensure your student is a competitive applicant.Show Notes: Recommendations for transcript creators A Sample High School TranscriptAssigning High School Credit Hours by Susan Wise BauerTests We Discuss: SAT website ACT website CLT exam AP examsCLEP examsTimestamps:(00:00) - Intro (01:05) - Starting off with a piece of advice (04:13) - Preparing for college at the rhetoric stage (10:31) - Seven tips (and a bonus!) for making the transition to college (11:02) - Tip #1: Identify a range of potential colleges (12:23) - Tip #2: Get credits on a transcript (28:00) - Tip #3: Practice receiving instruction from multiple sources (32:35) - Tip #4: Decide whether to take standardized tests (39:30) - Tip #5: Look into achievement based testing (45:36) - Tip #6: Get used to using a checklist and planner (49:19) - Tip #7: Start collecting letters of recommendation (51:35) - BONUS!: How to align classical courses to a high school transcript (57:15) - Outro | 56m 51s | ||||||
| 5/15/24 | ![]() Dealing with Burnout | ANNOUNCEMENT: We will record a Q&A episode at the end of this season. If you have questions for Susan or Susanna, send them to podcast@welltrainedmind.com. (00:00) - Intro (01:25) - Defining "burnout" (06:02) - Burnout is normal (15:19) - When to ask for help (18:43) - Susan's story of burnout (21:34) - Break (21:37) - Dealing with burnout (31:08) - What to do next (47:52) - Outro | 48m 17s | ||||||
| 5/8/24 | ![]() Choosing the Right Online School w/ Julia Collier | Clarification on online class types: Live = Students attend video call classes at a set time. During class they can interact with their instructor and peers. They may complete additional coursework on their own, but must submit it by a particular deadline. Asynch = Students watch video instruction on their own. There are no set meeting times. They may or may not have deadlines for coursework. Delayed (unique to WTM Academy) = Students can watch lectures on their own time (within 24hrs of the live class), but must complete all other coursework on the same timeline as live students. Here is a video about how delayed classes work at the WTM Academy. Things to Look For When Choosing an Online School: Is there an administration?Is the school accredited? TuitionHow much do you want to be involved? Delivery method/Time onlineSocialization opportunitiesViewpoint Diversity and/or Worldview Website design Nationally Recognized Accrediting bodies MSA(Also check out the agencies they cooperate with)WASC Cognia (00:00) - Intro with Julia Collier (02:39) - What are the benefits of online school? (12:50) - Types of online programs (27:23) - Break (27:24) - Types of online programs (33:40) - What a diploma does and whether or not it's important (36:00) - What are *you* looking for in an online school? (42:21) - Green flags, red flags, and things to look for in an online school (01:01:36) - Wrapping up (01:02:30) - Outro | 1h 03m 08s | ||||||
| 5/1/24 | ![]() Teaching Languages the Classical Way (with Elizabeth Weber Edwards) | German: Goethe Institute Spanish: Instituto CervantesFrench: Alliance Francaise Well-Trained Mind AcademyBeth Gibbons – singing Penderecki/Gorecki Symphony #3ANNOUNCEMENT: We will record a Q&A episode at the end of this season. If you have questions for Susan or Susanna, send them to podcast@welltrainedmind.com. (00:00) - Intro with Elizabeth Weber-Edwards (01:59) - A brief introduction to learned languages (08:15) - How do you learn languages? (14:06) - Some principles for choosing a way to teach a language (21:52) - Which language should you pick? (30:41) - Break (30:42) - How language learning fits into classical education (40:31) - What to look for in a quality online language class (53:59) - It's never too late to learn a language! | 55m 44s | ||||||
| 4/24/24 | ![]() Teaching History in the Internet Age | Show notes: What is History? How andWhy Should I Teach It by Susan Wise Bauer Why Learn History When it’s Already on Your Phone? By Sam Wineburg Sam Wineburg for CBS Research on middle schoolers ability to interpret information on the internetA helpful introduction to teaching historical thinking skillsResources for Teaching History: The Big History Project (skills taught: contextualization, sourcing, causation, comparison, continuity & change over time, close reading) Digital Inquiry Group (formerly Stanford History Education Group or SHEG). This organization offers free lesson plans and assessment ideas that emphasize historical thinking skills, perfect for logic stage students. The “Lunchroom I” and “Lunchroom II” lesson plans are a fun introduction to historical thinking skills. A great introduction to history for rhetoric stage students: Telling the Truth About History Reading Lists for Hard History American Indians in Children’s Literature Web Page by Debbie Reese Heritage Mom Recommendations for Black HistoryAnnotated Reading list for Grammar Stage: Picture Books About Slavery and Freedom via Heritage MomAnnotated Reading list for Logic Stage: Age-Appropriate Books about the Holocaust via School Library Journal (you know your student, some of these may be too heavy for younger logic stage students). Another reading list with both grammar stage and logic stage titles on enslavement: Children’s Books about Slavery and Enslavement via Pragmatic Mom (00:00) - Intro (00:25) - History as a battleground (05:21) - A Drag Queen example (08:31) - History as a story and historical "accuraacy" (16:49) - 4 historical approaches (16:57) - Biographical history (19:06) - Progressive history (29:35) - Positivist history (33:55) - Social history (37:33) - How do we teach this? (39:28) - History in the grammar stage (47:10) - History in the logic stage (54:39) - History in the rhetoric stage (57:55) - Wrapping up (58:40) - Outro | 59m 03s | ||||||
| 4/17/24 | ![]() When Classics Curdle: Reading Children's Literature that Did Not Age Well | Summary: In this episode, Susan and Susanna discuss their thoughts on teaching children’s literature, particularly older books that have problematic or insensitive content. Show Notes: Articles We Reference: Are some children’s classics unsuitable for kids? The GuardianAmerican Indians in Children’s Literature Web Page by Debbie Reese Ted Talk: The Danger of a Single StoryBooklists and Resources for Finding Windows and Mirrors: https://www.storiesofcolor.com/https://americanindiansinchildrensliterature.blogspot.com/Heritage Mom Recommendations for Black History (00:00) - Intro (00:14) - The inspiration for this episode (01:03) - Revisiting classic books with objectionable content (04:21) - Defining and discussing "objectionable content" (18:19) - How do we read these books? (25:04) - Break (25:13) - Reading classic literature in the grammar stage (39:53) - Susanna's experience with classic literature (43:47) - Windows and Mirrors (46:29) - Classic literature in the logic and rhetoric stage (48:13) - There are definitely books that should be skipped (51:50) - An important question to ask yourself (55:08) - At the end of the day (56:40) - Outro | 57m 09s | ||||||
| 4/10/24 | ![]() Different Approaches to Teaching Writing w/ Julie Bogart | Summary: In this episode, Susan and Susanna are joined by Julie Bogart, the founder of the Brave Writer program. Susan and Julie compare their different approaches to teaching writing and discuss which approach might work best for different types of students. Show Notes: Writing With Ease Brave Writer Julie Bogart’s Books: The Brave Learner: Finding Everyday Magic in Homeschool, Learning and LifeRaising Critical Thinkers (00:00) - Intro with Julie Bogart of Brave Writer (07:29) - A perfect segue story (09:17) - The basic philosophy of Brave Writer (12:23) - Comparing and contrasting WTM and BW (19:34) - An example of an inappropriate writing assignment and a fix! (22:30) - The pressure to come up with original content (26:54) - How to deal with writing-terrified parents (32:23) - What are we going to do about AI? (36:22) - Listener question: Left brain vs right brain thinkers? (41:28) - Wrapping up | 42m 31s | ||||||
| 4/3/24 | ![]() Teaching Writing, Stage by Stage | In this episode, Susan and Susanna discuss Susan’s classical approach to teaching writing across all three stages of a classical education. Apologies, Susanna’s audio was a bit messed up in this episode! Show Notes: The Current State of Writing InstructionSusan’s Youtube video on teaching writing: Teaching Writing, Stage by StageA Plan for Teaching Writing: Grades K-12, Audio WorkshopThe Complete Writer (Our recommended writing program by Susan) | 52m 02s | ||||||
| 4/2/24 | ![]() Bonus Episode: The Well-Trained Mind Essential Edition | Check out The Well-Trained Mind Essential Edition or head to our website to subscribe to the new recommendations portal. | 13m 25s | ||||||
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