Think Like a Vegan
A podcast bringing you thought provoking deep dives across a wide variety of subjects related to veganism. The host is Emilia Leese, co-author of the book, Think Like a Vegan Each episode is a mini talk by a guest or the...
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| 10/1/26 |  Ep.37: Beyond Appeasement: Finding our Ethical Spine | We need more vegans. We need strategies. But for these to stick, it's the context we must transform. That requires courage. In 1950, Leslie Cross, a Vegan Society founder, wrote veganism was a liberatory movement. This July, the European Court of Human Rights affirmed ethical veganism as a protected belief under Article 9 as not a lifestyle choice, but a serious moral conviction. Courage gets recognised.Rooted in Cross's vision, in that ruling, and in the insights of Angela Davis and Antonio Gramsci, this is an invitation to build a movement which can stand, especially when the market says otherwise.Emi Leesehttps://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com Instagram @emi.leese YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos When the monsters are inside the house https://emilialeese.substack.com/p/when-the-monsters-are-inside-the Go Vegan World https://goveganworld.com/go-vegan-world-campaign/ Don't Buy It campaign https://projectslingshot.com Ethical Veganism as a Protected Belief: What the European Court of Human Rights Just Affirmed https://emilialeese.substack.com/p/ethical-veganism-as-a-protected-belief CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Theme music: “Tendrils” by Matthew Gerstenberger Interlude: This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 28m 33s | ||||||
| 9/1/26 |  Ep 36: Why Vegans Don't: because it’s not about the food, it’s about the why | Join me for a profound conversation with Jordi Casamitjana, the ethical vegan activist who made legal history by securing the first worldwide ruling securing veganism as a protected belief. A methodical thinker and lifelong advocate, Jordi joins me to discuss his new book, Why Vegans Don't: A philosophical guide to vegan behaviour — exploring the "why" behind vegan choices, blending zoology, history, and ethics. We also delve into his personal journey, from growing up in Franco-era Catalonia to his landmark employment tribunal ordeal. Tune in for a masterclass in clear thinking, moral courage, and discovering the freedom of saying "no." And in part two, Matthew Gerstenberger, long-time music collaborator with TLAV, shares about his music on the debut of the new theme tune he composed for the show.Jordi Casamitjana https://www.jordi-casamitjana.animal-protection-consult.com/ Instagram: @jayseecosta Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/veganjordi LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordi-casamitjana-36586a15/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Jordiwasp Bluesky: https://blueskydirectory.com/profiles/jordiwasp.bsky.socialBooks: Why Vegans Don't: A philosophical guide to vegan behaviour https://www.lulu.com/shop/jordi-casamitjana/why-vegans-dont/paperback/product-p6jepnd.html Ethical Vegan: A Personal and Political Journey to Change the Worldhttps://septemberpublishing.org/product/ethical-vegan/ Emi Leesehttps://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com Instagram @emi.leeseYouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guests: Jordi Casamitjana & Matthew GerstenbergerProduction & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Theme music by Matthew Gerstenberger Interlude: "Time to go" music by Matthew Gerstenberger and voice by ChiyakoThis podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 1h 04m 30s | ||||||
| 6/1/26 |  Ep 35: A world where forests are sovereign | In this powerful season finale, I bring our exploration of nature, politics, and animal liberation to a profound conclusion by looking to the forest as a model for a just society.Gregory Tague, a scholar with over two decades of work in environmental and animal ethics, introduces a radical idea: the forest is a sovereign state. It operates not with a single dominant power, but through a complex web of mutual obligations, where inhabitants respect boundaries and avoid confrontation for the collective advantage of all.We dive into a key excerpt from Tague’s book, Forest Sovereignty, which argues that forest organisms understand something we humans have forgotten: true association isn't about transactional exchanges, but about the net result of sustainability for the entire ecosystem. In this "liberal society" of the forest, stability comes from the diversity of its organisms, all with a free right to resources.This episode is a call to action. Reflecting on the entire season, we're reminded our struggle for a fairer world has deep roots, and that change, while slow, is possible. The season is retroactively dedicated to all those — vegans, activists, and thinkers — who are pushing boundaries and striving for the liberation of both humans and non-humans.This is a fitting end to a season challenging us to learn from the ancient, self-sustaining wisdom of the forest and to continue the long, necessary work of building a new, more just existence for all.Key Takeaways:Forests as a model for a sustainable, self-governing society.The concept of "associative duties" we hold towards all wild life.A powerful message of solidarity for those fighting for liberation.A compelling conclusion to a season-long discussion on nature and politics.Listen to the full episode to hear this inspiring conversation and conclude the season with a renewed sense of purpose.Website/Socials & BooksGregory F. TagueWebsite: https://sites.google.com/site/gftague/Book: Forest Sovereignty: Wildlife sustainability and ethics (Peter Lang 2025)Other links"Sovereign Forests" https://theecologist.org/2025/oct/10/sovereign-forestsLiterary Veganism: An online journal https://www.litvegan.netEmi Leesehttps://emilialeese.substack.comhttp://thinklikeavegan.comhttp://emilialeese.comInstagram @emi.leeseYouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videosCreditsHost: Emilia A. LeeseGuest: Gregory F. TagueProduction & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.comGraphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.comMusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic BusinessInterlude: "Ōuda Afternoon I" music by Matthew Gerstenberger, voice by ChiyakoClosing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic BusinessThis podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 30m 38s | ||||||
| 5/1/26 |  Ep 34: Nature Has No Borders: The Controversial Science of Invasion Ecology | Join me for a provocative conversation with brothers Vasile and James Stănescu as we deconstruct the common yet charged concept of "invasive species." Moving beyond a simplified view of nature, we explore how the rhetoric of "invasion ecology" creates a violent foundation justifying perpetual war against certain animals.Drawing from their contributions to the critical book, The Ethics and Rhetoric of Invasion Ecology, James and Vasile unpack the real-world consequences of this ideology. Vasile illustrates the cyclical failure of "management," where killing one species leads to an explosion in another, forcing us to ask: why must nature be violated in order to protect it? James, one of the book's editors, examines the militarized language and apocalyptic tone used to describe non-native species, which in turn dictates a response of total eradication—a hyperbolic reaction to hyperbolic communication.This episode challenges the sanitized ideal of a pristine wilderness and delves into the ethical costs of this worldview for both human and non-human animals. Tune in for a deep dive into the intersection of language, ecology, and animal liberation.Website/Socials & Books:Vasile StǎnescuWebsite: How we win https://www.winforanimals.org Podcast: How we win https://www.winforanimals.org/how-we-win-podcast Instagram: @professional.vegan Article: "How Industrial Slaughter Became the Blueprint for Modern Capitalism" https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/how-industrial-slaughter-became-the-blueprint-for-modern-capitalism James StǎnescuWebsite: https://www.criticalanimal.com Book: The Ethics and Rhetoric of Invasion Ecology (Lexington Books, 2017)Other linksBanu Subramanian, "The Aliens Have Landed! Reflections on the Rhetoric of Biological Invasions" https://www.jstor.org/stable/40338794 Emi Leesehttps://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com Instagram @emi.leese YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Vasile Stǎnescu and James StǎnescuProduction & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Ōuda Afternoon I" music by Matthew Gerstenberger, voice by ChiyakoClosing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic BusinessThis podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 51m 26s | ||||||
| 4/1/26 |  Ep 33: Between Storms and Laws: The battle for Pakistan’s animals | When disaster strikes – a flood, wildfire, massive quake – most of the headlines understandably focus on the human toll. But what happens to the animals? They are the silent, often invisible victims, and their suffering is deeply intertwined with our own. The bonds between people and their animals and the wildlife sharing our ecosystems mean that when animals suffer, human communities suffer too.So, how do we break this cycle? How can we provide help and assistance to both people and animals, and work towards preventing these catastrophes, especially those supercharged by climate change?In this compelling episode, I speak with Altamush Saeed, a dedicated professional working tirelessly on the front lines in Pakistan to do just that. He shares powerful and innovative approaches to building resilient communities protecting all their members irrespective of species. Join us for a conversation going beyond the headlines to reveal a more compassionate and effective model for disaster response, one which includes the well-being of people and the planet's creatures as one, unified path toward a safer, healthier future for all.Website/Socials & Books:Altamush SaeedInstagram https://www.instagram.com/altamushsaeed LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/altamushsaeed95/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/Altamushsaeed95 Case note on the animal rights sentience judgment - https://tinyurl.com/2r256uzv Other linksCharity Doings Foundation Pakistanhttps://twitter.com/CharityDoings https://www.linkedin.com/company/charity-doings-foundation/ instagram.com/charitydoingsfoundation https://youtube.com/channel/UCTLoPSGdZb-Qy_1ncAUYkRA https://www.facebook.com/CharityDoingz/ Environmental and Animal Rights Consultants Pakistanhttps://www.facebook.com/EARCPAK https://www.instagram.com/earcpakistan https://www.linkedin.com/company/environmental-and-animal-rights-consultants-llp-pakistan/ Emi Leesehttps://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com Instagram @emi.leese YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Altamush SaeedProduction & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Ofusa Fuurin" by Matthew GerstenbergerClosing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic BusinessThis podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 53m 33s | ||||||
| 3/1/26 |  Ep 32: Why do we always make other animals the problem? | Ever been told an animal is a "problem"? From the deer in our backyards and the pigeons in our cities to the elephants on their ancestral lands, we constantly label other species as pests, nuisances, and issues to be solved. But what if the real problem isn't the animal themselves, but the way we choose to see them?In this episode, Claudia Hirtenfelder, host of the acclaimed podcast The Animal Turn and a brilliant geographer, unravels the surprising process of how we "make" animals into problems. She introduces her powerful concept of "problematization" — the social and historical system where animals are first labelled as a problem in our laws and conversations, and then managed, or even removed, because of it.We'll explore the consequences of this labeling and discover how this framework explains not just the history of cows in one Canadian city, but the global stories of creatures from coyotes and badgers to sea gulls and squirrels. Get ready to have your perspective flipped. Tune in to ask the critical question: When we call an animal a problem, what are we really saying about ourselves?Website/Socials & Books:Claudia HirtenfelderPodcast: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/claudia-hirtenfelder-a360241a Article: "An analytical framework to understand the problematization of urban (historical) animals" https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/25148486241281227 Other linksVienna Animal Studies Group: https://www.viennaanimalstudies.com Phoenix Zones: https://www.phoenixzonesinitiative.org Transformation Austria: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10009315345939 Wild crows inhabiting the city use it to their advantage - David Attenborough - BBC wildlife https://youtu.be/BGPGknpq3e0?si=HVn4TpZuTJWOcFTG Straying Home: A film essay with urban animals https://youtu.be/kfITJ9zDU5w?si=LKHljLvR2nFjt3ne by just wondering https://justwondering.io/beyond-speciesism-beyond-humanism-beyond/ "Turkey's street-living dogs: Thoughts in light of Turkey's controversial 'adoption' law", by Emilia Leese https://open.substack.com/pub/emilialeese/p/turkeys-street-living-dogs Emi Leesehttps://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com Instagram @emi.leese YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Claudia HirtenfelderProduction & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "No Time" by Matthew GerstenbergerClosing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic BusinessThis podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 48m 06s | ||||||
| 2/1/26 |  Ep. 31: Your First Foray into Control: The Problem with Adult Supremacy | Join me for a conversation with scholar-activist Amanda Williams as we dismantle the idea of "adult supremacy" and connect it to the broader fight for total liberation. Amanda shows us how our first lessons in power often start with controlling children, and how to turn that awareness into tangible action for a more compassionate world.Website/Socials & BooksAmanda WilliamsLinktree: https://linktr.ee/amandarwilliamsBooks by Amanda: The Overprivileged Human; What Can I Do?; Exploring Topics in Non/Human CoexistenceFree Frankie pressure campaign: https://www.kcactionforanimals.org/ Recommended books: Raising our Children, Raising Ourselves by Naomi Aldort; Unconditional Parenting by Alfie KohnOther links"Ten Unschooling Boogeymen And How They're All NBD", by Agni Hogaboom https://buymeacoffee.com/agnihogaboom/ten-unschooling-boogeymen "Unschooling For Parents Who Don't Unschool", by Agni Hogaboom https://buymeacoffee.com/agnihogaboom/unschooling-for-parents-who-don-unschool-761293 Emi Leesehttps://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com Instagram @emi.leese YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Amanda WilliamsProduction & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Mushi" by Matthew GerstenbergerClosing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic BusinessThis podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 40m 48s | ||||||
| 1/15/26 |  Ep. 30: Voices for the voiceless: animal rights activism in Canada - ethical beliefs among vegans and how they translate to animal rights activism | What happens when a folklorist goes inside vegan and animal rights communities, not as an outsider looking in, but as someone documenting their lived beliefs? Dr. Ceallaigh MacCath-Moran joins me to discuss her research in St. John’s and Toronto, where she explores veganism as a counter-hegemonic tradition and activism as performative resistance. We delve into how media and academia often misrepresent these movements and why insider voices matter. From Gramsci to grassroots protest, this conversation challenges the idea speciesism is just common sense and asks what justice really sounds like when dissent speaksWebsite/socialsDr. Ceallaigh MacCath-Moranhttps://csmaccath.com/home PhD dissertation https://research.library.mun.ca/16537/Your Vegan Fallacy Is https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en https://linktr.ee/csmaccath Other links"What's wrong with carnism?" by Dr Corey Wrenn https://www.coreyleewrenn.com/carnism/ Emi Leesehttps://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com Instagram @emi.leeseYouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Dr. Ceallaigh S. MacCath-MoranProduction & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Kawa" music by Matthew Gerstenberger and voice by ChiyakoClosing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic BusinessThis podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 59m 53s | ||||||
| 12/1/25 |  Ep. 29: The ultimate peace movement: The evolution of veganism as a social movement | Roger Yates, a longtime animal rights firebrand, sociologist, and movement historian, cracks open veganism’s radical past. This isn’t just about diet or ethics. It’s about a revolutionary philosophy of total liberation challenging everything. Yates doesn’t just talk theory, he connects the dots to today’s movement in a way that’ll make you reconsider what “vegan” even means. Spoiler: It’s bigger than what you’ve been sold.Strap in. This one’s for the thinkers, the rebels, and anyone who believes justice must be pro-intersectional. History isn’t just background noise; it’s fuel.P.S. If you’ve ever argued about “militant vegans” or “the vegan agenda”… oh, you’ll want to hear this.Website/socialsRoger Yates' YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@RogerYates/streamsSubstack: https://substack.com/@drrogeryatesInstagram @roger_yates1TikTok roger_yatesThe Social Construction of Human Beings and Other Animals in Human-Nonhuman Relations https://rogeryatesphd.blogspot.com/Blog https://onhumanrelationswithothersentientbeings.weebly.com/Emi Leesehttps://emilialeese.substack.comhttp://thinklikeavegan.comhttp://emilialeese.comInstagram @emi.leeseYouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videosCreditsHost: Emilia A. LeeseGuest: Roger YatesProduction & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.comGraphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.comMusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic BusinessInterlude: "I Used to Do Lots of Things" by Matthew GerstenbergerClosing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic BusinessThis podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 45m 42s | ||||||
| 11/1/25 |  Ep. 28: Revolutionary Peace: How Philadelphia Launched the US Vegetarian and Vegan Movement | Vance Lehmkhul is a vegan renaissance man: writer, journalist, cartoonist, and now, a vegan history detective. His book Revolutionary Peace cracks open the wild, untold story of how Philadelphia became the unlikely birthplace of America’s vegetarian and vegan revolt.This isn’t just a history lesson. It's a street-level view of radical thinkers who saw food as revolution. We’re talking 18th-century Quakers, 19th-century anarchists, feminist firebrands, and proto-vegan agitators who linked animal liberation to every fight for justice.Lehmkhul’s work proves something urgent: veganism was never just about diet — it was always political warfare. If you think today’s movements are divisive? Wait till you hear about the original plant-based rebels who scared the hell out of the status quo.This one is for all history nerds, activists, and anyone tired of watered-down veganism. LinksVance Lehmkhul http://www.vegcast.com/vance/ Revolutionary Peace: How Philadelphia Launched the US Vegetarian and Vegan Movementhttps://americanvegan.org/product/revolutionary-peace/ Veg History Walking Tours https://americanvegan.org/veg-history-walking-tours/ American Vegan Center https://americanvegan.org/avc/ American Vegan Society https://americanvegan.org The Return of Benjamin Lay https://www.benjaminlayplay.com Emi Leesehttps://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com Instagram @emi.leeseYouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Vance LehmkhulProduction & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Dappling" by Matthew GerstenbergerClosing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic BusinessThis podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 51m 39s | ||||||
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| 10/10/25 |  Ep. 27: Why vegans should care about genocide/ecocide in Gaza | Researcher Rimona Afana unflinchingly exposes the hidden victims of Israel's war on Gaza: the natural world and nonhuman animals. She reveals how advanced weaponry creates a psychological distance enabling destruction on a colossal scale, making ecocide a feature, not a byproduct, of modern conflict.Website/SocialsRimona Afanahttps://www.linkedin.com/in/rimonaafanaEcocide/Speciesism: Legislating Hierarchy, Interdependence, Deathhttps://www.facebook.com/ecocide.speciesism Other linksIsrael's Crimes Against the Dead and Unborn in Gaza https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/israels-crimes-against-the-dead-and-unborn-in-gazaEmi Leesehttps://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com Instagram @emi.leeseYouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Rimona AfanaProduction & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: Birds from Shwikeh, Tulkarem, Palestine by sounds_from_palestine -- https://freesound.org/s/802437/ -- License: Creative Commons 0Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic BusinessThis podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 38m 16s | ||||||
| 10/1/25 |  Ep. 26: Ecological restoration and rewilding are essential | There are those who study nature, and then there are those who listen to it. Alan Watson Featherstone is such a listener, a quiet revolutionary who has spent his life translating Earth's silent longing into action.In this episode, we walk with Alan through:The act of rewilding — not just restoring land, but restoring relationshipWhy healing broken ecosystems is the most radical hope we haveHow a single sapling carries within it an entire futureA man of many gifts — photographer, storyteller, planter of forests — Alan founded Trees for Life in 1986 and for three decades served as its guiding spirit, transforming Scotland's barren glens into cathedrals of green. A vegan since 1979, his life reminds us that compassion must stretch beyond our speciesThis is not a lecture on ecology. This is an invitation to remember, to see, as Alan does, that every act of rewilding is a love letter to a better future for everyoneWebsite/SocialsAlan Watson Featherstonehttps://alanwatsonfeatherstone.comhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/alan-watson-featherstone-8063961a X @AlanWatsonFeat1Photography https://www.naturepl.com/search?s=Alan+Watson YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@alanwatsonfeatherstone9676/videos Other linksFindhorn community https://www.visitecovillagefindhorn.uk Trees for Life https://treesforlife.org.ukIshmael https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael_(Quinn_novel)Kathleen Jannaway https://youtu.be/2ai7lnUsVPE?feature=shared Auroville https://auroville.org Jack Whitten https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Whitten Birchfield https://birchfieldhighlands.org Emi Leesehttps://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com Instagram @emi.leeseYouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Alan Watson FeatherstoneProduction & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Contemporary Music Too" by Matthew GerstenbergerClosing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic BusinessThis podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 39m 32s | ||||||
| 9/1/25 |  Ep. 25: They profit while the planet burns: A radical manifesto with John Sanbonmatsu | Capitalism didn't just commodify animals - it turned suffering into an industry. Meet John Sanbonmatsu, the revolutionary philosopher tearing apart the meat-industrial complex in his incendiary new work The Omnivore's Deception. This book is an indictment of the entire capitalist food regime Sanbonmatsu doesn't debate reform. He demands total dismantling of the oppressive structures that treat life as profit. This is food system analysis as class war, revealing how your burger funds environmental racism, worker exploitation and mass extinction. The only moral response is revolution Website/SocialsJohn Sanbonmatsuhttps://www.johnsanbonmatsu.comOther linksKaren Davis essay https://www.upc-online.org/thinking/rhetoric.pdfEmi Leesehttps://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com Instagram @emi.leeseYouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guest: John SanbonmatsuProduction & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "7am" music by Matthew Gerstenberger and voice by ChiyakoClosing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic BusinessThis podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 47m 57s | ||||||
| 9/18/24 |  Ep. 24 What’s the difference between animal rights and welfare? | This episode goes back to basics. We hear about animal rights, welfare, compassion and kindness. It all sounds like good things and stuff we should have. So I want to share with you why when I talk about animal ethics, I centre my words around rights instead of welfare or compassion and kindness Website/Socials Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X and Threads Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "On the Forbidden Balcony" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 12m 11s | ||||||
| 9/4/24 |  Ep. 23 What are zoonotic diseases and how do they affect us and other animals? | When you hear the term zoonotic disease, what does it mean to you? What do you think of and who is responsible for them? Maybe you think about Covid 19. How about HIV-AIDS? Is your impression that zoonotic illnesses are something relatively new? Or uncommon? In this episode, I'll explore just how far back in time zoonotic illnesses go and think about how our entanglement with other animals affects us -- and them -- on a cellular level Website/Socials Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X and Threads Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Pinglie" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 19m 30s | ||||||
| 8/21/24 |  Ep. 22 Zane McNeill and Nathan Poirier: Ida B. Wells and relevance to the animal justice movement | Ida B. Wells and the relevance of her work to the animal justice movement Zane McNeill and Nathan Poirier discuss Ida B. Wells' historical and contemporary legacy and relevance to critical animal studies For more than 40 years from the late 1800s, Ida B. Wells fought for justice for Black Americans. Wells was a journalist, newspaper owner, feminist, suffragist and organiser. In particular, she called herself a lynching agitator and she’s probably still best known for this work McNeill and Poirier discuss the historical and foundational influence the Black feminist body of work plays for critical animal studies. This influence is all too often not made clear. While barely mentioning nonhuman animals,” the essay on Ida B. Wells, “fundamentally belongs within critical animal studies via consistent anti- oppression” by studying historical gender and racial activism through the efforts of an early and important yet understudied Black feminist”. Their book is entitled Expanding the Critical Animal Studies Imagination: Essays in Solidarity and Total Liberation (2023, Peter Lang https://www.peterlang.com/document/1298884) Website/Socials Zane McNeill @zane_crittheory on X Nathan Poirier https://www.facebook.com/nathan.poirier.7792 Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X and Threads Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Guests: Zane McNeill and Nathan Poirier Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Memories/Generations" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 39m 37s | ||||||
| 8/7/24 |  Ep. 21 Benny Malone - What to say to vegans | What should we say to vegans? Benny Malone returns to the podcast to discuss with me what people should say to vegans instead of the usual excuses. Benny joined me in Season One in the episode entitled "Discussing Veganism with Others" where Benny talks about his top five fallacies vegans encounter when talking with others and I talk about my top three tips when engaging with others about veganism. Benny is the author of How to Argue with Vegans, an analysis of anti-vegan arguments. He’s an autodidact in science, nature and philosophy. And if there’s a book about veganism out there, he’s read it cover to cover. Website/Socials Benny Malone @BennyMalone on Facebook @benny_malone_ on on Instagram and @BennyMaloneUK on X Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X, Threads Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Benny Malone Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Gendrone" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 46m 53s | ||||||
| 7/24/24 |  Ep. 20 What’s Effective Altruism and what are some alternatives? | Pre-order the paperback edition of our book, Think Like a Vegan! This highly anticipated release will be available January 2025 in the UK and worldwide and April 2025 in North America. It will contain a new afterword so you can dive into updates and new material you won't find in the hardcover. We've added insightful reflections and fresh content to keep you inspired and informed. Pre-order on Amazon, Target or wherever you buy books and ask your library to carry it Alice Crary and Lori Gruen talk about what is effective altruism, why it's harmful and what are alternatives which already exist. Should we measure the effectiveness of an act meant to benefit another? How do we decide its effectiveness and for whom it’s effective - for the beneficiary? For the actor? And why should we be thinking about effectiveness when we’re talking about doing something that’s meant to do good or change minds? Alice and Lori have edited, and contributed to, a collection of essays on the topic, along with Carol J. Adam, entitled The Good it Promises, the Harm it Does Alice Crary is a Distinguished Professor of Philosophy at The New School for Social Research, a Visiting Fellow at Regent’s Park College in the University of Oxford and at the Zolberg Institute on Migration and Mobility Lori Gruen is the William Griffin Professor of Philosophy and Professor of Feminist, Gender, and Sexuality Studies and Science in Society at Wesleyan University where she also coordinates Wesleyan Animal Studies. Website/Socials Alice Crary: https://alicecrary.com Lori Gruen: https://www.lorigruen.com Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X, Threads Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Guests: Dr Alice Crary and Dr Lori Gruen Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Fuurin Sanpo" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 48m 24s | ||||||
| 7/10/24 |  Ep. 19 Industrial and small scale animal farming - a distinction without a difference | Pre-order the paperback edition of our book, Think Like a Vegan! This highly anticipated release will be available from January 2025 in the UK/worldwide and April 2025 in North America. It will contain a new afterword so you can dive into updates and new material you won't find in the hardcover. We've added insightful reflections and fresh content to keep you inspired and informed. Pre-order on Amazon, Target or wherever you buy books and ask your library to carry it Whenever people talk about the environment or the plight of animals, they all seem to say something like “oh I agree industrial animal farming is terrible!” And it is. But that's not the full story. I discuss why we should encourage the focus to be on the inherent injustice of animal use and I even use some archeology to make this point Website/Socials Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X, Threads Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Waiting for Summer" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 13m 05s | ||||||
| 6/26/24 |  Ep. 18 Humanity's longest war: The war against animals | Pre-order the paperback edition of our book, Think Like a Vegan! This highly anticipated release will be available from January 2025 in the UK/worldwide and April 2025 in North America. It will contain a new afterword so you can dive into updates and new material you won't find in the hardcover. We've added insightful reflections and fresh content to keep you inspired and informed. Pre-order on Amazon, Target or wherever you buy books and ask your library to carry it Dr Stacy Banwell discusses her book, The War Against Nonhuman Animals: A Non-Speciesist Understanding of Gendered Reproductive Violence. I began exploring the entanglement of war and animals in season two of my podcast when Josh Milburn and Sara van Goozen were my guests. Stacy takes the analysis of war and animals along the logical continuum, putting our actions within the context of International Humanitarian Law, the Geneva Convention and the additional protocols. She does so in an astonishing way - she’s at once clinical in her analysis, devastating in her straightforward telling of facts and incredibly sensitive to the real and lived experiences of people and animals. Stacy is an associate professor of Criminology at the University of Greenwich in the UK. She has made two remarkable animations on why the war against animals is a crisis for humans too and one on gendered wars and gender-based violence. She has a long list of publications in addition to the book discussed in this episode, and many focussed on gender violence whether during war or armed conflict or otherwise, including The Emerald International Handbook of Feminist Perspectives on Women’s Acts of Violence, Sex and Crime, and the monograph Gender and the Violence(s) of War and Armed Conflict: More dangerous to be a woman? TW: discussion of gendered and reproductive violence Website/Socials Stacy Banwell https://www.vegansociety.com/get-involved/research/who-we-are/stacy-banwell https://www.gre.ac.uk/people/rep/las/stacy-banwell Animations: Why is the war against nonhuman animals a crisis for humans too? https://youtu.be/pQCnJqeP0sQ?feature=shared Gendered wars and gender-based violence: Who ‘is dangerous’, who is ‘in danger’? https://youtu.be/6Hq14VEwgWo?feature=shared Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X, Threads Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Stacy Banwell Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Jin Regret" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 49m 44s | ||||||
| 6/12/24 |  Ep.17 Palm oil: ubiquitous, damaging, complicated and the Grease of Empire | Pre-order the paperback edition of our book, Think Like a Vegan! This highly anticipated release will be available from January 2025 in the UK/worldwide and April 2025 in North America. It will contain a new afterword so you can dive into updates and new material you won't find in the hardcover. We've added insightful reflections and fresh content to keep you inspired and informed. Pre-order on Amazon, Target or wherever you buy books and ask your library to carry it Max Haiven discusses whether palm oil is a particularly more destructive product than any other. Max's book, Palm Oil: Grease of Empire, gets into a bit of the history, political, economic and natural impact of the palm oil industry, which had its start during European colonisation of West Africa in the 19th century. Max then zooms out to look at the wider impact and how we might want to consider what we do about palm oil production. Max is an author, a professor at Lakehead University in Canada and the Canada Research Chair in Radical Imagination. He also co-hosts a call-in podcast called What Do We Want, and directs the ReImagining Value Action Lab, a workshop for the radical imagination, social justice and decolonization. He's also the first and, so far, only non-vegan guest on this podcast Website/Socials Max Haiven https://maxhaiven.com/ https://reimaginevalue.ca/ @maxhaiven on X https://maxhaiven.substack.com/ https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345826/palm-oil/ Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X, Threads Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Max Haiven Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Hit" by Flowers Must Die Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 46m 19s | ||||||
| 9/20/23 |  Ep. 16 Veganism isn't shopping | In this series, the big theme has been systems with special attention to economics and capitalism. Selling as many different products is one of the principal manifestations of capitalism. And in the context of vegan products - What’s it mean to have more vegan products available to buy? Do more vegan products mean fewer animals are being exploited for their bodies and secretions? Is veganism about products? Is veganism winning? I share my thoughts about this and more in the last episode for this season. Website/Socials http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilialeese/ http://thinklikeavegan.com Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Over the Pacific at 3.30am I" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 14m 23s | ||||||
| 9/6/23 |  Ep.15 War: An Animal Rights Perspective | Sara van Goozen and Josh Milburn are the first to include considering harm to animals in just war theory. Broadly speaking, just war theory looks at whether a war is justified and if so, how that war should be conducted. They authored "Counting Animals in War: First Steps towards an Inclusive Just-War Theory” published in the journal Social Theory and Practice.Sara is a lecturer at the University of York. Her research focuses on topics in contemporary just war theory and global ethics. She’s written about just risk distribution in war, the moral status of animals in war and the distribution of scarce medical resources. Sara is also interested in various other areas in contemporary political theory, such as the literature on political obligation and sovereignty. Josh is a moral and political philosopher interested in questions about human/animal relationships, food, liberal/libertarian political theory, and applied ethics. He’s a Lecturer in Political Philosophy at Loughborough University and a member of the Research Advisory Committee of the Vegan Society. Josh is the host of the animal studies podcast Knowing Animals, which is streaming on all platforms and his first book, Just Fodder: The Ethics of feeding animals, was the subject of an earlier episode of this podcast. Website/Socials https://josh-milburn.com https://knowinganimals.libsyn.com @aveganphilosopher, Instagram @JoshLMilburn, X http://justice-everywhere.org/author/saravangoozen/ http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X Radio Warn Nerd https://www.patreon.com/radiowarnerd/posts Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Josh Milburn & Sara van Goozen Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Over the Pacific at 3.30am II" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 39m 38s | ||||||
| 8/23/23 |  Ep. 14 Human Privilege: The Power Dynamic between People and Animals | For his Master Thesis, Tim Reysoo developed the concept of human privilege by extending the notion of social privilege to make sense of the enormous power differential between humans and animals in society. He develops the concept and social category of “species privilege” and “human innocence”. Tim studied Philosophy and International Development Studies at the University of Amsterdam. He conducted his graduate fieldwork in Ghana on the role of social movements in Leaving Fossil Fuels Underground. Tim also has extensive experience running animal rights campaigns, doing vegan street outreach, promoting plant-based policies to the government, and holding public lectures on the issue of animal oppression. Website/Socials https://www.linkedin.com/in/tim-reysoo-b57061226/ https://uva.academia.edu/TimReysoo http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Tim Reysoo Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "505 Souji" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 41m 52s | ||||||
| 8/9/23 |  Ep.13 Vegan diets for animals | Doctor Josh Milburn's book, Just Fodder: The ethics of feeding animals (McGill-Queen's University Press), explores a variety of questions from “Who are we obliged to feed? Who are we permitted to feed? What are we allowed to feed animals? To What is the role of the state in feeding animals? And How might obligations concerning the feeding of animals differ from obligations concerning the feeding of humans and why? These are thought provoking questions and this book really pushed me to consider things in ways I just wasn’t expecting. Josh is a moral and political philosopher interested in questions about human/animal relationships, food, liberal/libertarian political theory, and applied ethics. He’s a Lecturer in Political Philosophy at Loughborough University and a member of the Research Advisory Committee of the Vegan Society. Josh is the host of the animal studies podcast Knowing Animals, which is streaming on all platforms. Website/Socials https://josh-milburn.com https://knowinganimals.libsyn.com @aveganphilosopher, Instagram @JoshLMilburn, Twitter http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Josh Milburn Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Rinrin" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com | 36m 20s | ||||||
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