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"Energy Constraints and Tradeoffs" by Martin Picard
Jun 27, 2026
56m 38s
"Aging, goal-directedness, and bioelectricity" by Michael Levin
Jun 26, 2026
23m 19s
Computationalism and consciousness with Nic Rouleau, Jaan Aru, and Borjan Milinkovic.
Jun 22, 2026
57m 10s
Free Lunches: Model Systems for Studying the Agential Gifts from the Platonic Space by Michael Levin
Jun 20, 2026
49m 33s
Platonic Space discussion 5
May 29, 2026
1h 58m 33s
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| 6/27/26 |  "Energy Constraints and Tradeoffs" by Martin Picard | This is a ~57 minute talk titled "Energy Constraints and Tradeoffs: the mitochondrial daily energy expenditure MDEE study" by Martin Picard (https://www.neurology.columbia.edu/profile/martin-picard-phd) and a brief set of ideas by me at the end, presaging a full discussion of this for our next meeting. I mentioned these 2 papers: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0303264722001435 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/bies.201900245CHAPTERS: (00:00) Mitochondria energy tradeoffs (52:14) Scarcity coordinates biology (54:44) Anthrobot aging evidence (56:31) Follow-up ideas PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin Blog: https://thoughtforms.life The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org | 56m 38s | ||||||
| 6/26/26 |  "Aging, goal-directedness, and bioelectricity" by Michael Levin | This is ~23 minute talk overviewing our recent results and the way we think about aging and longevity. It was for a conference with quite short speaking slots so I had to talk fast... Longer talk coming with more data but this outlines some ideas and overviews our published recent work on aging.CHAPTERS: (00:00) Aging framework overview (01:16) Bodies as setpoints (03:08) Anatomical homeostasis examples (06:40) Bioelectric pattern memory (08:41) Rewriting biological setpoints (12:31) Aging bioelectric fuzziness (14:18) Sharpening brain patterns (17:34) Cognitive aging hypothesis (19:42) Atavistic tissue dissociation (22:21) Species longevity questions PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin Blog: https://thoughtforms.life The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org | 23m 19s | ||||||
| 6/22/26 |  Computationalism and consciousness with Nic Rouleau, Jaan Aru, and Borjan Milinkovic. | Discussion #2 (57 minutes on computationalism and consciousness) with Borjan Milinkovic (https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=AwaZbzsAAAAJ&hl=en), Jaan Aru (https://scholar.google.de/citations?user=FvFOzS8AAAAJ&hl=en%29), and Nicolas Rouleau (https://scholar.google.ca/citations?user=FyOpVTAAAAAJ&hl=en).CHAPTERS: (00:00) AI consciousness middle ground (04:46) Substrate dependent minds (08:07) Analog computer substrates (13:44) Zombies and digital computers (18:56) Polycomputing and observers (25:01) Felt experience defined (30:08) Action first embodiment (34:08) Causal emergence and memory (42:36) Self versus environment (46:47) Cognitive light cones (51:44) Boundary gradients and observers PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin Blog: https://thoughtforms.life The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org | 57m 10s | ||||||
| 6/20/26 |  Free Lunches: Model Systems for Studying the Agential Gifts from the Platonic Space by Michael Levin | This is a talk I gave, ~49 minutes long, titled "Free Lunches: Model Systems for Studying the Agential Gifts from the Platonic Space", to a philosophy audience. It covers some more ways I think about the latent space of patterns that in-forms biology and cognitive science.CHAPTERS: (00:02) Research program overview (05:15) Dissolving old categories (10:54) Goal-directed morphogenesis basics (14:11) Rewriting bioelectric patterns (19:23) Novel embodied abilities (23:35) Molecular agency ratchet (27:33) Math and living forms (33:31) Evolutionary accounting breaks (41:04) High agency patterns (47:01) Diverse intelligence future PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin Blog: https://thoughtforms.life The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org | 49m 33s | ||||||
| 5/29/26 |  Platonic Space discussion 5 | This is a ~2 hour discussion among contributors to the Platonic Space Symposium ( CHAPTERS: (00:00) Strong perception framework (10:12) Perception model boundaries (17:41) Penrose and probabilities (30:57) Quantum interpretations debated (39:28) Probability dynamics and gravity (53:50) Relational observer problem (01:00:30) Dance synchronization physics (01:12:02) Rituals and group flow (01:23:43) Boundaries and agency (01:31:38) Religious possibility spaces (01:46:30) Numbers in theology PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin Blog: https://thoughtforms.life The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org | 1h 58m 33s | ||||||
| 5/25/26 |  Platonic Space discussion 4 | This is a ~2 hours 4 minute discussion among contributors to the Platonic Space Symposium ( CHAPTERS: (00:00) Strong anticipation analogy (08:16) Relational Platonic patterns (25:06) Finite brains, infinite grammar (40:05) Beauty and compression (51:17) Searching for grammar (01:01:58) Patterns and selfhood (01:14:44) Patterns claiming territory (01:29:28) Markets shape selves (01:43:57) Scaling collective selves (01:55:47) Testing Platonic feedback PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin Blog: https://thoughtforms.life The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org | 2h 04m 36s | ||||||
| 5/19/26 |  Discussion #1 with Amahury Jafet Lopez Diaz, Carlos Gershenson-Garcia, and Richard Watson | This is a ~1 hour 5 minute discussion with Amahury Jafet Lopez Diaz ( Carlos Gershenson-Garcia ( and Richard Watson ( Stay tuned for part 2 where Amahury will present his ideas in more detail. Amahury's paper: CHAPTERS: (00:00) Common ground and stakes (06:10) Ontology of platonic space (14:50) Testing separate realms (25:52) Acid tests and metaphors (34:55) Interaction and narratives (44:20) Formal facts alternative (52:38) Experiments and surprise (01:00:29) Closing reframing proposal PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin Blog: https://thoughtforms.life The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org | 1h 04m 12s | ||||||
| 4/11/26 |  A Multiscale Logic of Collective Intelligence" by Donald Hoffman and Chetan Prakash✨ | collective intelligencespace-time physics+2 | Donald HoffmanChetan Prakash+2 | A Multiscale Logic of Collective Intelligence | — | recursive trace logiccausal emergence+1 | — | 1h 30m 10s | |
| 4/10/26 |  Discussion: Lisa Maroski, Michael Levin, Richard Watson✨ | languagethinking+2 | Lisa MaroskiRichard Watson | — | — | recursionbiological agency+2 | — | 58m 35s | |
| 4/9/26 |  Discussion: Richard Watson, Alexey Tolchinsky, Mark Solms, Michael Levin, and Karl Friston✨ | memoryforgetting+3 | Richard WatsonAlexey Tolchinsky+2 | The Levin Lab | — | induced forgettingunconventional cognition+3 | — | 58m 38s | |
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| 4/3/26 |  Conversation with Nic Rouleau, part 1: "Some thoughts on the mind as material"✨ | neurosciencefree will+2 | Nicolas Rouleau | neural tissue engineeringbrain organoids+9 | RouleauKansala+5 | mindsynthetic biological intelligence+2 | — | 1h 00m 21s | |
| 4/3/26 |  Conversation with Nic Rouleau, part 2: neuroscience, memory transfer, aging of cognition, and more✨ | neurosciencememory transfer+6 | Nic Rouleau | CenterSellar, E.P.+6 | RouleauKansala+5 | memoryPlaydoh+6 | — | 55m 37s | |
| 3/24/26 |  Conversation 2 with Lisa Barrett, Ben Lyons, and Karen Quigley✨ | Relational Realismallostasis+11 | Lisa BarrettBen Lyons+1 | Apple | — | emotionscience+2 | — | 59m 19s | |
| 3/17/26 |  Cancer: mitochondria and metabolism - a discussion with Thomas Seyfried and his group✨ | cancermitochondria+5 | Thomas SeyfriedDerek Lee+2 | — | — | metabolic nature of cancermitochondrial theory+3 | — | 1h 23m 09s | |
| 3/5/26 |  "On Biological and Artificial Consciousness" by Borjan Milinkovic and Jaan Aru✨ | biological consciousnessartificial consciousness+2 | Borjan MilinkovicJaan Aru | On Biological and Artificial ConsciousnessOn Biological and Artificial Consciousness: a case for biological computationalism | — | computational metaphorneural computation+1 | — | 53m 46s | |
| 2/5/26 |  Platonic Space discussion 3✨ | Platonic formsXenobots+8 | — | — | — | Platonic Space Hypothesisevolution+2 | — | 1h 44m 24s | |
| 2/4/26 |  Conversation with Darren Iammarino #1✨ | Platonic Space modelopen problems+13 | Darren Iammarino | Apple | Platonic Space | scienceeducation+2 | — | 54m 47s | |
| 1/30/26 |  "The Bioelectric Interface to the Collective Intelligence of Morphogenesis" by Michael Levin | This is a ~57 minute talk titled "The Bioelectric Interface to the Collective Intelligence of Morphogenesis: development, regeneration, cancer, and beyond" which I gave at a UCSF seminar for an audience of graduate students and post-docs in Biophysics, Bioinformatics, and Chemical Biology. I covered the role of bioelectricity as cognitive glue underlying high-level adaptive plasticity in living tissue, recent progress in exploiting that interface, and new developments in research platforms for this field. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Framing bioelectricity's role (09:28) Morphogenesis as goal-directed (22:45) Bioelectric control of form (35:10) Rewriting anatomical set points (43:55) Cancer and aging bioelectricity (49:36) AI, anthrobots, and outlook PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin Blog: https://thoughtforms.life The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org | 58m 10s | ||||||
| 1/21/26 |  Discussion #1 at the Platonic Space Symposium | This is a ~1 hour 40 minute discussion among contributors to the Platonic Space Hypothesis (https://thoughtforms.life/symposium-on-the-platonic-space/) CHAPTERS: (00:00) Math, identity and realms (16:08) Convergence, abstraction and attractors (34:05) Attractors, stress and observers (41:29) Realms, impossibility and simulation (51:40) Simulation, explanation and understanding (01:04:39) Mind everywhere and agency (01:19:19) Content, communication and creativity (01:30:42) Boundaries, scale and space PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin Blog: https://thoughtforms.life The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org | 1h 41m 13s | ||||||
| 1/18/26 |  Conversation 1 with Mijail Serruya, Alessandro Napoli, and Wesley Clawson | This is a ~1 hour conversation with (including a short talk by) Mijail Serruya (https://research.jefferson.edu/labs/researcher/serruya-research.html), Alessandro Napoli (https://www.linkedin.com/in/alessandro-napoli-8383a164/), and Wes Clawson (https://allencenter.tufts.edu/wesley-clawson-staff-scientist/). We talk about brain-body-machine interfaces, the clinical aspects and the deeper conceptual connections. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Introductions and BCI vision (16:32) Platypus-inspired brain augmentation (24:28) Plasticity, aging, and models (39:37) Self-organizing neural interfaces (49:58) Hypnosis, regeneration, and BCIs PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin Blog: https://thoughtforms.life The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org | 58m 48s | ||||||
| 1/17/26 |  Conversation 1 w/ Lisa Barrett, Ben Lyons, Eli Sennesh, Jordan Theriault-Brown, and Karen Quigley | This is a discussion with with Lisa Feldman Barrett (https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=WF5c0_8AAAAJ&hl=en), Benjamin Lyons (https://interestingessays.substack.com/), Eli Sennesh (https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=3z4ALYgAAAAJ), Jordan Theriault-Brown (http://www.jordan-theriault.com/), and Karen Quigley (https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=aZ3qhVUAAAAJ&hl=en) about topics related to allostasis and top-down control across cognitive science and developmental biology. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Framing interdisciplinary synthesis (03:18) Bioelectric collective intelligence (16:00) Constraints versus bioelectric memory (20:06) Neurodevelopment and allostasis (27:10) Plasticity and dirty genomes (35:59) Relational structure and constraints (40:24) Agency across biological scales (45:04) Goal-like molecular networks (48:49) Allostasis and control hierarchies PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin Blog: https://thoughtforms.life The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org | 55m 58s | ||||||
| 1/15/26 |  "Evolution and Intelligence: inversion and a positive feedback spiral" by Michael Levin | This is a ~50 minute video on evolution from the perspective of diverse intelligence. I discuss 3 main things: the nature of the mapping between genotype and phenotype (an intelligent, problem-solving process that interprets genomic prompts, not simply a complex mechanical mapping), the implications for evolution of operating over such a multi-scale agential material, and a few recent findings about the origin of the intelligence spiral taking place before differential replication dynamics kick in. Editing by https://x.com/DNAMediaEditing CHAPTERS: (00:00) Framing evolution and intelligence (06:26) Morphogenesis as collective intelligence (12:06) Regeneration and downward causation (16:10) Bioelectric patterning and memory (21:05) Reprogrammable adaptive anatomies (26:06) Interpretation, plasticity and evolution (31:58) Competent matter and evolvability (35:45) Novel beings and emergence (41:54) Prebiotic learning and agency (46:43) Mind beyond life PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin Blog: https://thoughtforms.life The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org | 49m 42s | ||||||
| 12/11/25 |  “The Unreasonable Effectiveness of the Behavioral Sciences in Developmental Biology and Biomedicine” | This is a ~46 minute talk by Michael Levin titled “The Unreasonable Effectiveness of the Behavioral Sciences in Developmental Biology and Biomedicine” given at a developmental biology/bioengineering symposium, explaining the connections between the cognitive/behavioral sciences and the study of morphogenesis, from the lens of our framework and new technology. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Behavioral Science Foundations (05:57) Agential Cells And Morphospace (10:47) Goal Directed Regeneration Examples (18:16) Bioelectric Pattern Memories (23:32) Exploring Morphological Plasticity (31:54) Learning Regeneration And Cancer (36:10) Novel Bioengineered Living Machines (41:22) Future Minds And Ethics PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin Blog: https://thoughtforms.life The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org | 46m 35s | ||||||
| 12/10/25 |  Discussion #1 with Katrina Schleisman and David Burke | This is a ~54 minute conversation with Katrina Schleisman (https://www.galois.com/team/katrina-schleisman) and David Burke (https://www.galois.com/team/david-burke) about issues related to memory, Platonism, diverse intelligence, and similar topics. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Paper comments and impetus (01:38) Math-physics causal dualism (06:19) Unreasonable effectiveness and foundations (12:54) Active Platonic patterns learning (19:36) Verbs, affordances, pattern agency (29:04) Math gifts before evolution (35:43) Cognition, life, and idealism (43:21) Hidden messages and memory (47:42) Resonant patterns, chance, synchronicity PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin Blog: https://thoughtforms.life The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org | 54m 56s | ||||||
| 12/1/25 |  Conversation with David Resnik 1 | This is a ~52 minute conversation with philosopher David Resnik (https://www.niehs.nih.gov/research/resources/bioethics/bioethicist) about the Platonic Space model and our plan for a new paper about a different variant of it than what I've been writing so far. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Morphogenesis and latent space (15:19) Platonism's scientific utility (27:06) Explanation, models, morphospace (36:51) Models, journals, writing (43:33) Mathematical patterns in evolution PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin Blog: https://thoughtforms.life The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org | 52m 40s | ||||||
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