
Why SOC 2 May Not Prove Security Anymore
From Trust vs. by HITRUST Alliance
October 9, 2025 · 41 min · Season 3 · Episode 6
About this episode
In this episode, the Trust vs. team discusses the current state of SOC 2 with cybersecurity expert AJ Yawn, exploring its effectiveness and implications for security assurance.
SOC 2 might be everywhere, but is it actually working? In this episode, the Trust vs. team welcomes cybersecurity leader, author, and GRC engineer AJ Yawn to break down the state of SOC 2 today and why its greatest strength may also be its biggest weakness. AJ brings years of hands-on experience in auditing, engineering, and startup leadership to explain how SOC 2 shifted from a signal of security to a sales checkbox and what that means for TPRM. We talk about flexibility vs. consistency, outdated frameworks, why some SOC 2s are nearly useless, and how organizations can move toward better assurance by asking better questions. Meet Ryan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-patrick-3699117a/ Meet Jeremy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhuval Meet AJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajyawn/ Read AJ’s Book: https://www.amazon.com/GRC-ENGINEERING-AWS-Hands-Engineering/dp/B0FDLZX4BP
People in this episode
Hosts: Ryan Patrick, Jeremy Huval
Guest: AJ Yawn
Topics covered
- SOC 2
- cybersecurity
- GRC
- audit
- TPRM
- assurance
Keywords
- SOC 2
- security
- cybersecurity
- audit
- GRC
- TPRM
- assurance
- flexibility
- frameworks
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: HITRUST Alliance
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