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Bond Panic. Software Pileup. Borrowed AI Earnings. Are Investors Pricing the Wrong Risk?
Sep 1, 2026
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Rates Keep Climbing. Stocks Refuse to Break. What If They're Saying the Same Thing?
Aug 24, 2026
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Falling Rates. Rising Productivity. Are Good Things Bearish?
Aug 17, 2026
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We Reunited David Rosenberg and Rich Bernstein After 20 Years | The Misallocation They Both See
Aug 10, 2026
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A War-Sized AI Bet. The Fed Goes Dark. Is One More Hike the Death Shot? | The Weekly Wrap
Aug 3, 2026
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| 9/1/26 | Bond Panic. Software Pileup. Borrowed AI Earnings. Are Investors Pricing the Wrong Risk? | In this Weekly Wrap, Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler break down why rising long-term bond yields may be justified by stronger nominal growth, large fiscal deficits and AI-driven capital spending, and why the bigger market risk may be an AI earnings bubble rather than a valuation bubble. Featuring Kevin Muir, Dan Rasmussen and Ian Cassel, the episode also explores private equity’s huge software bet, the traits of elite stock pickers, and how the worldview of AI leaders could be driving unusually aggressive capital spending and risk-taking.Topics covered:Why long-term bond yields may be more rational than alarming given stronger nominal GDP, inflation, deficits and heavy Treasury and corporate issuanceHow global fiscal expansion and the AI infrastructure build-out are adding to bond supply and upward pressure on ratesWhy suppressing market interest rates can distort an important economic signal and create unintended consequencesHow private equity became a lagged momentum investor and built massive exposure to software and healthcare technologyWhy recurring revenue does not make a business bulletproof, and how AI could challenge software economics that once looked untouchableIan Cassel’s benchmarks for good, great and GOAT stock pickers, from 10-year outperformance to 20% annualized returnsThe five or six core investing skills elite stock pickers need, and why world-class investors become exceptional at one or twoHow AI CapEx can boost current supplier earnings while the buyer’s expense is spread over years through depreciationWhy an AI earnings bubble could exist even if headline valuation multiples do not look extremeHow futurism, expected-value thinking and confidence in AGI may be encouraging AI leaders to take enormous capital spending risksTimestamps:00:00 Intro: Kevin Muir, Dan Rasmussen and Ian Cassel05:09 Why suppressing bond yields could create new risks09:54 Private equity as a lagged momentum investor14:15 Why investment committees chase three- and five-year returns19:00 The skills that separate good investors from great ones23:11 Why elite stock picking takes a decade or more to judge27:18 How AI CapEx is changing cash flow, buybacks and earnings31:47 Price bubbles vs earnings bubbles36:00 Why AI leaders may be taking massive CapEx risk40:49 AI adoption bottlenecks and the need for skepticismLearn more about the Excess Returns podcast network:https://excessreturns.coNo information discussed in this podcast should be construed as investment advice. Securities discussed may be held by the hosts and guests, their firms or their clients. | — | ||||||
| 8/24/26 | Rates Keep Climbing. Stocks Refuse to Break. What If They're Saying the Same Thing? | This week on the Excess Returns Weekly Wrap, Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler break down key investing lessons from recent conversations with Andy Constan, Liz Ann Sonders and Bob Robotti.They examine why rising long-term interest rates can coexist with a strong stock market, how rolling recessions and the shift from labor income to corporate profits are shaping the economy, why AI's biggest beneficiaries may be in energy and old-economy materials, and whether the bond market can really lose control of long-term yields.Topics covered:Why higher long-term interest rates can be consistent with stronger economic growth and rising stock pricesHow productivity growth, Treasury issuance and corporate bond supply can push real yields higherWhy the post-pandemic economy has experienced rolling sector recessions instead of a traditional synchronized business cycleHow stock market optimism can coexist with pessimism about unemployment, wages and the broader economyWhy labor compensation has fallen as a share of GDP while corporate profits have increasedWhat the labor-versus-capital shift may mean for inflation, investor sentiment and future policyWhy the AI capital spending boom creates demand for cement, aluminum, copper, natural gas and other physical inputsHow low-cost North American natural gas could support reindustrialization and give the U.S. a structural energy advantageWhy renewables and electrification still depend on traditional energy, commodities and industrial materialsHow decades of underinvestment in energy and materials could create a long-duration capital cycle for value investorsWhy deep natural demand for Treasuries makes a disorderly loss of control over the long end of the yield curve less likelyTimestamps:02:15 Why rising rates and record-high stocks can coexist07:30 Rolling recessions and why the economy isn't moving in sync11:57 Labor vs. capital and the rise in corporate profit share17:39 Why the biggest AI beneficiaries may be cement, copper and natural gas25:26 Could the bond market really lose control of the long end?30:22 Where to find episode notes, transcripts and moreLearn more about the Excess Returns podcast network:https://excessreturns.coNo information discussed in this podcast should be construed as investment advice. Securities discussed may be held by the hosts and guests, their firms or their clients. | — | ||||||
| 8/17/26 | Falling Rates. Rising Productivity. Are Good Things Bearish? | In this week's Excess Returns Weekly Wrap, Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler break down Jim Paulsen's warning that falling Treasury yields could become bad news for stocks if markets shift from inflation fears to growth fears, and Dom Rizzo's bullish case for AI productivity and frontier models. They also examine whether today's productivity boom is real, how AI coding tools like Claude Code and Codex could reshape white-collar work, and why recessions can create misleading spikes in measured productivity.Topics coveredWhy falling Treasury yields can be bullish when inflation is cooling but bearish when growth is weakeningJim Paulsen's case that economic surprise data could be pointing toward lower 10-year Treasury yieldsWhat the stock-bond correlation says about whether investors are more worried about inflation or recessionDom Rizzo's bullish case for AI-driven coding productivity and the rapid growth of frontier AI modelsHow large the AI coding market could become and where OpenAI, Anthropic and other AI companies may capture valueWhy open-source and lower-cost AI models could dominate token volume while frontier models capture most of the economicsWhether enterprise AI spending is evidence that companies are already seeing meaningful returnsThe challenge of translating more code and faster knowledge work into measurable revenue, cost savings and economic productivityJim Paulsen's argument that recessions often create temporary spikes in measured productivityWhether today's productivity gains reflect a genuine AI boom, economic weakness, or some combination of bothTimestamps00:00 Why hearing the AI case you disagree with matters04:47 When falling Treasury yields could become bad news for stocks10:54 Dom Rizzo on AI coding productivity and who captures the value16:49 Can we actually measure the economic payoff from AI?22:52 Jim Paulsen on why recessions can create false productivity booms27:00 What today's productivity data may be saying about the economyLearn more about the Excess Returns podcast network:https://excessreturns.coNo information discussed in this podcast should be construed as investment advice. Securities discussed may be held by the hosts and guests, their firms or their clients. | — | ||||||
| 8/10/26 | We Reunited David Rosenberg and Rich Bernstein After 20 Years | The Misallocation They Both See | This week on the Excess Returns Weekly Wrap, Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler break down the AI capital spending boom, the risk that data center investment is crowding out housing and other parts of the economy, and what that means for markets. Featuring Richard Bernstein, David Rosenberg, Tian Yang, and Brent Donnelly, the episode covers AI CapEx, GDP growth, inflation, the K-shaped economy, AI ROI, and why rationality and Bayesian thinking matter more than raw intelligence for investors and traders.Topics coveredWhy the AI and data center boom may be misallocating capital away from housing and infrastructureWhat the dot-com bubble taught Richard Bernstein about investing where capital is scarceWhy AI related spending is approaching half of business CapEx while ex-AI investment is shrinkingHow today's K-shaped economy differs from the broad economic boom of the late 1990sThe difference between AI's contribution to GDP growth and its share of total GDPTian Yang's Kalecki-Levy framework for understanding spending, savings, income, and economic resilienceWhy a pullback in hyperscaler CapEx could weaken the spending and income loopWhy AI return on investment is so difficult to measure and how the profit pool could broaden beyond hardwareBrent Donnelly on why rationality and flexibility matter more than credentials or raw intelligenceWhy persistent bearishness can become a major investing mistakeHow Bayesian thinking, position sizing, and changing your mind help investors stay in the gameTimestamps00:02 Rich Bernstein and David Rosenberg reunite and this week's lineup04:10 The dot-com lesson: what happens when capital floods one sector08:15 AI CapEx, inflation, and why today's economy is different from the 1990s13:58 Kalecki-Levy: how spending and savings are keeping growth resilient18:03 AI CapEx concentration, productivity, and the uncertainty around ROI22:21 Brent Donnelly on why rationality beats intelligence26:21 Strong opinions, flexibility, and Bayesian thinking30:33 What traders and market makers can teach long-term investorsLearn more about the Excess Returns podcast network:https://excessreturns.coNo information discussed in this podcast should be construed as investment advice. Securities discussed may be held by the hosts and guests, their firms or their clients. | — | ||||||
| 8/3/26 | A War-Sized AI Bet. The Fed Goes Dark. Is One More Hike the Death Shot? | The Weekly Wrap | On this episode of the Excess Returns Weekly Wrap, Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler examine how the AI capital spending boom, an unpredictable Federal Reserve, reduced corporate reporting and factor investing are reshaping markets.They break down Ben Hunt's warning about private credit and AI infrastructure, Cameron Dawson and Dave Nadig on the loss of Fed forward guidance, Wes Gray on why value may matter more than company size, and Rupert Mitchell on the rate hike that could end the cycle.Topics covered:Why the AI capital spending boom is forcing hyperscalers to borrow money and issue equityHow private credit and private equity are financing the AI infrastructure buildoutWhy a slowdown in AI CapEx could create broader financial system riskHow government borrowing and AI investment are crowding out capital and pushing interest rates higherThe impact of data center electricity demand on consumers and the broader economyHow Kevin Warsh's no-forward-guidance policy changes Federal Reserve expectationsWhy greater front-end interest rate volatility matters for floating-rate debt and private creditThe debate over replacing quarterly corporate reports with six-month reportingWes Gray's argument that value, not small-company size, is the real source of higher expected returnsRupert Mitchell's death shot framework for how a final central bank rate hike can end a market cycleTimestamps:00:00 AI spending, Fed uncertainty and this week's market themes05:07 How the AI buildout crowds out capital across the economy10:44 No Fed forward guidance and a new era of policy uncertainty15:48 Why six-month corporate reporting could hurt investors20:30 Wes Gray on the small-cap premium24:42 Why value matters more than company size28:57 How a surprise rate hike could break risk assets34:05 Global value investing and pairing different investor perspectivesLearn more about the Excess Returns podcast network:https://excessreturns.coNo information discussed in this podcast should be construed as investment advice. Securities discussed may be held by the hosts and guests, their firms or their clients. | — | ||||||
| 7/26/26 | No ROI Yet. Fewer Recessions. Are You Making More Money? | 4 Things We Learned This Week | This week's Excess Returns Weekly Wrap examines when AI spending will translate into measurable end-user ROI, why the U.S. business cycle may now produce fewer recessions, and how Federal Reserve policy could combine lower short-term rates with a smaller balance sheet. Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler break down insights from Andy Constan, Azeem Azhar and Aahan Menon on AI productivity, business-cycle shifts, asset prices and the tradeoffs between Wall Street and Main Street.Topics coveredWhy subsidized AI tokens may be masking the true economics of end-user ROIThe difference between personal productivity gains, cost savings and measurable business profitsHow the transition from electric light bulbs to assembly lines explains AI process redesignWhy adding more copilots cannot turn a legacy company into an AI-native enterpriseThe productivity J-curve and why promising AI investments may initially look unprofitableHow the shift from manufacturing toward services and technology changed the business cycleWhy housing and industrial indicators may be less reliable signals for the broader economyHow consumer conditions, equity wealth and technology investment increasingly drive growthWhy stronger balance sheets and policy intervention may be reducing recession frequencyHow lower short-term rates and a smaller Fed balance sheet could affect asset prices and inequalityTimestamps00:00 Intro and this week's triple-A lineup04:00 AI's long-term promise and medium-term transition risk08:18 Azeem Azhar on electricity as a model for AI adoption12:28 Why more copilots cannot create an AI-native company16:39 How services and technology changed the business cycle21:20 Why policy intervention may be smoothing recessions26:00 How Fed policy could rebalance Wall Street and Main Street30:05 Closing thoughts and where to follow Excess ReturnsLearn more about the Excess Returns podcast network:https://excessreturns.coNo information discussed in this podcast should be construed as investment advice. Securities discussed may be held by the hosts and guests, their firms or their clients. | — | ||||||
| 7/20/26 | labor marketunemployment rate+5 | Jack SchwagerEric Pachman | BLSFederal Reserve+1 | — | unemploymentlabor force participation+5 | — | 32m 34s | ||
| 7/13/26 | market correctionAI capital spending+4 | — | S&P 500AI+1 | — | market correctionAI spending+5 | — | 32m 38s | ||
| 7/5/26 | AI bull marketdata center backlash+5 | — | AIUS stock market+1 | — | AIinvesting+6 | — | 39m 10s | ||
| 6/28/26 | market bubblesAI capital spending+4 | Ben InkerChris Mayer | GMOSpaceX+2 | — | investing lessonsmarket bubbles+5 | — | 35m 47s | ||
| 6/22/26 | SpaceX valuationAI capital spending+4 | Aswath DamodaranAndy Constan+1 | SpaceXAI+1 | — | valuationinvesting lessons+6 | — | 34m 00s | ||
| 6/15/26 | passive investingmarket behavior+4 | Mike GreenJoe Davis | Vanguard | — | passive investingmega-cap stocks+5 | — | 35m 23s | ||
| 6/8/26 | SpaceX IPOvaluation+5 | — | SpaceXPalantir+2 | — | SpaceXIPO+6 | — | 35m 51s | ||
| 5/31/26 | market fundamentalsvaluation in investing+5 | Adam ParkerRobert Hagstrom+1 | Excess Returns | — | investing insightsstock market+5 | — | 1h 02m 25s | ||
| 5/25/26 | volatilitybubble regimes+5 | Cliff AsnessAndy Constan+3 | Excess Returns | — | investing lessonsvolatility illusion+5 | — | 1h 06m 29s | ||
| 5/17/26 | AI and investment bubblesmean reversion+5 | Jeremy GranthamAndy Constan+2 | Excess Returns | — | investment bubblesAI+5 | — | 1h 08m 07s | ||
| 5/11/26 | stock picking skillinflation risk+4 | — | — | — | stock pickinginflation+5 | — | 1h 06m 30s | ||
| 5/3/26 | letting winners runinflation risk+5 | — | — | — | investment strategiesportfolio concentration+5 | — | 1h 09m 48s | ||
| 4/26/26 | market rallyearnings concentration+5 | David RosenbergChris Bloomstran+1 | Excess Returns | — | market concentrationasset prices+6 | — | 1h 12m 08s | ||
| 4/19/26 | market dynamicsinflation+4 | Jim GrantLiz Ann Sonders+1 | Excess Returns | — | war-driven inflationmarket resilience+5 | — | 1h 05m 42s | ||
| 4/12/26 | recession signalsoil shocks+5 | Jim PaulsenBrent Kochuba+2 | WalmartJP Morgan+1 | — | Walmart signalrecession risk+5 | — | 1h 10m 27s | ||
| 4/5/26 | AI and base ratesMagnificent Seven+3 | — | Excess Returns | — | AI expectationseconomic profit+3 | — | 1h 06m 36s | ||
| 3/29/26 | market environmentoil shock+5 | — | — | — | oil supply shocksinflation+7 | — | 1h 07m 08s | ||
| 3/22/26 | market driverswar risk+5 | Jared DillianBrent Kochuba+1 | Excess Returns | — | geopolitical riskvolatility premium+5 | — | 1h 10m 54s | ||
| 3/14/26 | AI disruptiondefense spending+5 | — | Excess Returns | — | investingAI+5 | — | 1h 04m 53s | ||
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