Urgent Futures with Jesse Damiani

I love when a conversation on Urgent Futures feels truly hybrid—that my guest has an irrepressibly curious mind and expansive practice. This is one such conversation. Dr. Alhassen weaves together her committed practices as a writer, historian, activist, academic, and somatic teacher (among others…see her bio). To try to sum this up in a pithy context paragraph would be a fool’s errand, so please just enjoy the conversation.Support the show by checking out: ProtonVPN (gold-standard VPN—fast and safe. Click the link to get 55% off VPN Plus: $4.49/mo). ZBiotics (Decrease impact of hangovers. Code: JESSEDAMIANI for 10% off), MUD\WTR (43% off starter kits), 1Password (simplify your life and increase digital safety), Mission Farms CBD (healthy, effective CBD for relief, sleep, and wellbeing—25% off with email).BIO: Dr. Maytha Alhassen is a writer, producer, journalist, professor, and Pop Culture Collaborative Senior Fellow, authoring the Haqq and Hollywood: Illuminating 100 Years of Muslim Tropes and How to Transform Them (2018) report. She has appeared as a co-host on The Young Turks’ main hour, as well as a guest co-host and digital producer on Al Jazeera English’s The Stream. Alhassen is the co-executive producer, writer, and social impact advisor for Hulu’s award-winning series Ramy; a lecturer in Comparative Studies in Race and Ethnicity at Stanford; a 2021–2024 Harvard Religion and Public Life Fellow in Art + Pop Culture; Executive Producer of the docuseries American Muslims: A History Revealed; a Pillars Muslim Narrative Change Fellow; a USC 2022–23 Civic Media Fellow; host of the educational web series Key Terms (part of the Office Hours series); co-host of Amazon Music and SALT Audio’s meditation podcast Become; and a former TED Resident (2017).In 2012, Alhassen co-edited the collection Demanding Dignity: Young Voices from the Front Lines of the Arab Revolutions. She has also written for CNN, Boston Review, HuffPost, Los Angeles Review of Books, The Baffler, Mic, and CounterPunch. Alhassen has appeared on CNN, HuffPost Live, Fusion Network, and WNYC’s The Brian Lehrer Show. From 2019 to 2020, Alhassen served as Visiting Assistant Professor of Peace and International Studies at Chapman University and as an Associate Professor teaching graduate courses in social justice and community organizing at Prescott College. As a social justice organizer, she helped launch abolitionist organizations and collectives including the Social Justice Institute at Occidental College, the Muslim Anti-Racism Collaborative, Believers Bail Out, and Arabs for Black Lives.Alhassen received her Ph.D. and M.A. in American Studies and Ethnicity from USC, a B.A. in Political Science and Arabic and Islamic Studies from UCLA in 2004, and an M.A. in Anthropology from Columbia University in 2008. While at Columbia, she conducted research for the university’s Malcolm X Project and facilitated arts-based workshops with incarcerated youth at Rikers Island through the Blackout Arts Collective. Alhassen has decades of experience in education, arts-based social justice organizing, media and journalism, global travel, healing practices—including yoga, Reiki, doula work, and meditation—and poetry writing and performance.CREDITS: This podcast is produced & edited by Adam Labrie & me, Jesse Damiani. Adam Labrie also edited the video version, which is available on YouTube.Find more episodes of Urgent Futures at: youtube.com/@UrgentFutures. Get full access to Reality Studies at www.realitystudies.co/subscribe

Having researched the topic of collapse for more than half a decade, I can say with some confidence that interest in it has increased over the past few years. And it makes sense—wherever you look, be it politics, climate change, the economy, tech accelerationism, or otherwise, we’re getting a lot of scary signals. But collapse is a slippery word—what exactly does it mean? And what exactly qualifies a particular breakdown as collapse?Support the show by checking out: ProtonVPN (gold-standard VPN—fast and safe. Click the link to get 55% off VPN Plus: $4.49/mo). ZBiotics (Decrease impact of hangovers. Code: JESSEDAMIANI for 10% off), MUD\WTR (43% off starter kits), 1Password (simplify your life and increase digital safety), Mission Farms CBD (healthy, effective CBD for relief, sleep, and wellbeing—25% off with email).To get granular, I’m happy to share this conversation with collapsology legend, Joseph Tainter, who was researching collapse long before it was en vogue, notably authoring The Collapse of Complex Societies nearly forty years ago. Perhaps his most notable argument from this work is that collapse occurs when a civilization reaches a point of diminishing returns on complexity—that is, when increasing amounts of capital, energy, and resources are required just to sustain the system, until the cost of maintaining it outweighs the benefits.It’s a provocative argument, and folks like existential risk researcher Luke Kemp, who I had on the show late last year, have proposed alternative viewpoints—but which nevertheless build on Professor Tainter’s remarkable scholarly legacy. This argument is especially worth considering when we look at the current strain on the “rules-based” international order that the United States has (otherwise) maintained since the end of WWII.There’s so much in this conversation, drawing together his collapsology research with his contributions to energy and sustainability research—and much more, examining how it all fits together in today’s global context.BIO: Joseph Tainter is an anthropologist and retired professor, formerly at Utah State University. He is the author of The Collapse of Complex Societies, and co-author with Timothy F. H. Allen and Thomas W. Hoekstra of Supply-Side Sustainability. With Roderick and Susan McIntosh he edited The Way the Wind Blows: Climate, History, and Human Action. With Tadeusz Patzek he wrote Drilling Down: The Gulf Oil Debacle and Our Energy Dilemma. Dr. Tainter’s research has been used in over 50 countries and his books have been issued in 10 languages. His work has been consulted in the United Nations Environment Programme, UNESCO, the World Bank, the Rand Corporation, the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis, the Beijer Institute of Ecological Economics, the Earth Policy Institute, Technology Transfer Institute/Vanguard, and the Highlands Forum. His research has been applied in economic development and energy.CREDITS: This podcast is produced & edited by Adam Labrie & me, Jesse Damiani. Adam Labrie also edited the video version, which is available on YouTube.Find more episodes of Urgent Futures at: youtube.com/@UrgentFutures. Get full access to Reality Studies at www.realitystudies.co/subscribe

If you’re looking for historical thinkers who can help you navigate authoritarianism, fascism, totalitarianism, and questions of human rights, you’d do worse than to start with Hannah Arendt, one of the most influential political theorists of the 20th century. I’ve found myself returning to her words repeatedly over the past few years for exactly this reason. You’re perhaps already familiar with the phrase “the banality of evil.” This is one of her most famous contributions to thought, and emerged from her analysis of the trial of Adolf Eichmann, one of the key Nazi figures in organizing the Holocaust in the book Eichmann in Jerusalem.Support the show by checking out: ProtonVPN (gold-standard VPN—fast and safe. Click the link to get 55% off VPN Plus: $4.49/mo). ZBiotics (Decrease impact of hangovers. Code: JESSEDAMIANI for 10% off), MUD\WTR (43% off starter kits), 1Password (simplify your life and increase digital safety), Mission Farms CBD (healthy, effective CBD for relief, sleep, and wellbeing—25% off with email).Bard College is home to the Hannah Arendt Center for Politics and Humanities, whose mission is to “create and nurture an institutional space for bold, risky and provocative thinking about our political world in the spirit of Hannah Arendt,” and to “to empower a plural people to at once (re)discover their unique opinions and political agency and also find common ground to build together a shared world through thinking, listening, and talking with one another.”Today’s guest is the founder and academic director of the Center, and as you’d guess, we have a wide-ranging conversation linking the aforementioned topics to today’s political environment, with a special eye on the US. We also discuss the 2025 edition of the Center’s annual conference, themed “Joy: Loving the World in Dark Times,” which feels especially pertinent as America continues to tilt toward authoritarianism—an evolution I’ve called quantum fascism. Notably, Roger disagrees that we Americans are currently living under a fascist regime, though understands why people are inclined to think we are. Whether or not you agree, his argument is compelling and based in close analysis.What I so appreciate about this conversation is that Roger is committed to his political and personal ethics, and in some cases this means he gets a little controversial relative to more mainstream liberal or leftist positions. The result is a bracing, edifying conversation. We get into so much, in fact, that we held off on diving deep on his forthcoming book, A World We Share: Hannah Arendt and the Power of Friendship in a Broken World. The good news is Roger has agreed to come back on the show in the fall to go deep on it with me. Until then, please enjoy this powerful conversation with Roger Berkowitz.BIO: Roger Berkowitz is Founder and Academic Director of the Hannah Arendt Center for Politics and Humanities and Professor of Politics, Philosophy, and Human Rights at Bard College.He is author of The Gift of Science: Leibniz and the Modern Legal Tradition (Harvard, 2005, Fordham, 2010; Chinese Law Press 2011) and his new book A World We Share: Hannah Arendt and the Power of Friendship in a Broken World will appear in 2026 from Yale University Press.Berkowitz is the host of the podcast, Reading Hannah Arendt with Roger Berkowitz. He is also a regular panelist on The Roundtable, a daily news show for WAMC, the NPR affiliate in Albany, NY, and hosts For the Love of the World on Radio Kingston. Berkowitz wrote the Introduction for On Civil Disobedience: Henry David Thoreau and Hannah Arendt (Library of America, 2024), and he has edited Tribalism and Cosmopolitanism (DeGruyter, 2025) and Perils of Invention: Lying, Technology and the Human Condition (Blackrose Books, 2022). He is co-editor of Thinking in Dark Times: Hannah Arendt on Ethics and Politics (2009), The Intellectual Origins of the Global Financial Crisis (2012) and Artifacts of Thinking: Reading Hannah Arendt’s Denktagebuch (2017). His writing has appeared in The New York Times, The American Interest, Bookforum, The Paris Review Online, Democracy: A Journal of Ideas, and many other publications. He is a co-editor of the book series “Thinking With Arendt” published by DeGruyter and past editor of Just Ideas, a book series published by Fordham University Press.CREDITS: This podcast is produced & edited by Adam Labrie & me, Jesse Damiani. Kyriaki (Claire) Lampidou shot & produced this episode, & Adam Labrie edited the video version, which is available on YouTube. Find more episodes of Urgent Futures at: youtube.com/@UrgentFutures. Get full access to Reality Studies at www.realitystudies.co/subscribe

We all know that we have to end our addiction to fossil fuels, but how do we actually do that in practice?Today's guest, Erald Kolasi, breaks it down.Support the show by checking out: ProtonVPN (gold-standard VPN—fast and safe. Click the link to get 55% off VPN Plus: $4.49/mo). ZBiotics (Decrease impact of hangovers. Code: JESSEDAMIANI for 10% off), MUD\WTR (43% off starter kits), 1Password (simplify your life and increase digital safety), Mission Farms CBD (healthy, effective CBD for relief, sleep, and wellbeing—25% off with email).BIO: Erald Kolasi is a writer and independent researcher focusing on the nexus between energy, technology, economics, complex systems, and ecological dynamics. His first book, The Physics of Capitalism, came out from the Monthly Review Press in February 2025. He received his PhD in Physics from George Mason University in 2016.Find more episodes of Urgent Futures at: youtube.com/@UrgentFutures. Get full access to Reality Studies at www.realitystudies.co/subscribe

Why is capitalism incapable of valuing the more-than-human world?This question might sound obvious, but it's at the heart of the polycrisis. If our dominant economic system literally cannot place value on nature, we're destined to live out of alignment with it.This is the subject of Alyssa Battistoni's superb new book, Free Gifts: Capitalism and the Politics of Nature. We dive into it in today's conversation! In the meantime, grab your copy of Free Gifts here!Support the show by checking out: ProtonVPN (gold-standard VPN—fast and safe. Click the link to get 55% off VPN Plus: $4.49/mo). ZBiotics (Decrease impact of hangovers. Code: JESSEDAMIANI for 10% off), MUD\WTR (43% off starter kits), 1Password (simplify your life and increase digital safety), Mission Farms CBD (healthy, effective CBD for relief, sleep, and wellbeing—25% off with email).BIO: Alyssa Battistoni is assistant professor of political science at Barnard College. She is the coauthor of A Planet to Win: Why We Need a Green New Deal. Her writing has appeared in The Nation, The Guardian, Boston Review, n+1, Dissent, The New Statesman, Jacobin, and New Left Review.Free Gifts is a searing, imminently readable breakdown of how and why capitalism is incapable of “valuing” nature, treating it instead as a “free gift.” I’ve had folks on the show before talking about ecosystem services—check out my conversations with Paul R. Ehrlich, Gerardo Ceballos, and Rodolfo Dirzo as starting points!—and while Free Gifts addresses those ideas too, it goes much deeper.It’s not merely that what we call nature provides countless services that never get factored into the economy, it’s that the incentives of capitalism are fundamentally antithetical to human beings living sustainably on this planet. In the book, she conducts Marxist feminist analysis on how we got here, what it means for us, and ultimately drives us toward the necessary changes we must make if we want to survive. She reveals how, by treating nature as “free,” capitalism ultimately diminishes human freedom; it bars us from making truly ethical choices in how we value and relate to the more-than-human world.A quick reminder: all the messy politics you’re witnessing right now—such as rising authoritarianism—is downstream of our economic system, which determines the shape of what is possible. Alyssa’s work reveals how entangled our economic systems are in everything from social systems to individual choices, and it’s an absolutely critical time to contend with that.Find more episodes of Urgent Futures at: youtube.com/@UrgentFutures. Get full access to Reality Studies at www.realitystudies.co/subscribe