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137 | How Entrepreneurs Use Real Estate to Build Wealth Without Becoming a Landlord with Chris Larsen
Jun 23, 2026
52m 46s
136 | Why 90% of Family Wealth Is Gone By the Third Generation (And How to Stop It) with DJ Van Keuren
Jun 16, 2026
46m 58s
135 | The Portfolio Income Mistake That's Silently Draining Your Wealth with Russ Gaiser & Mike Hoeflich
Jun 9, 2026
40m 47s
134 | The IRS Loopholes Keeping Millions in Entrepreneur Pockets with Michael Moffa
Jun 2, 2026
55m 22s
133 | The Investment Game Is Rigged… Here's How to Get On the Right Side of It with Mike Collins
May 26, 2026
50m 21s
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| 6/23/26 | ![]() 137 | How Entrepreneurs Use Real Estate to Build Wealth Without Becoming a Landlord with Chris Larsen | What if your business is generating great income but you're still not financially free? In this episode of the Vital Wealth Strategies Podcast, host Patrick Lonergan sits down with Christopher Larsen, founder and Principal of Next-Level Income, to tackle one of the biggest blind spots entrepreneurs face, building income without building lasting wealth. Chris brings over 20 years of real estate investing experience, an MBA in Finance, and a track record of over $2 billion in real estate acquisitions to the conversation. He walked away from an 18-year career in the medical device industry because he built something better, and now he dedicates his time to helping other entrepreneurs do the same. If you've ever wondered whether you're truly building wealth or just generating a bigger paycheck, this episode was made for you. Patrick and Chris break down the exact framework entrepreneurs need to achieve real financial freedom, including Chris's DIAL method for evaluating investments, the 7-year formula for replacing active income with passive income, and why owning a duplex is not the passive income strategy most people think it is. They also get into the power of real estate cycles, how to use depreciation to legally reduce your tax burden, and the generational wealth strategies that separate the Rockefellers from the Vanderbilts. Whether you're just starting to think about investing outside your business or you're ready to scale your portfolio, this conversation will challenge the way you think about money, freedom, and legacy. Key Takeaways: Financial freedom is not a net worth number, it's the point where your passive income exceeds your monthly expenses The DIAL framework helps investors identify what matters most: Depreciation, Income, Appreciation, and Liquidity Owning small residential rentals is rarely passive, true passive income comes from partnering with an experienced operator Real estate follows an approximately 18.5-year cycle, knowing where you are in that cycle determines which asset class makes the most sense Buying the real estate your business occupies creates a powerful tax and wealth-building strategy Diversification is critical, don't concentrate all your wealth in your business alone Liquidity planning is non-negotiable, always maintain a minimum cash threshold to protect against black swan events Teaching your children about money early and giving them real financial responsibility, is the foundation of generational wealth Learn More About Chris: nextlevelincome.com nextlevelincome.com/financialfreedombook nextlevelincome.com/kids Episode Resources: The Simple Path to Wealth by JL Collins The Secret Life of Real Estate and Banking Resources: Visit vitalstrategies.com to download FREE resources Listen to the podcast on your favorite app: Vital Wealth Strategies Podcast | Tax & Financial Strategies for Entrepreneurs Follow on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/vital.strategies Follow on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/VitalStrategiesPodcast Follow on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/patricklonergan/ Credits: Sponsored by Vital Wealth Music by Cephas Art work by Two Tone Creative Audio, video, research and copywriting by Victoria O'Brien | 52m 46s | ||||||
| 6/16/26 | ![]() 136 | Why 90% of Family Wealth Is Gone By the Third Generation (And How to Stop It) with DJ Van Keuren | What separates the entrepreneurs who build lasting, generational wealth from those who watch it disappear by the second or third generation? In this episode of the Vital Wealth Strategies Podcast, host Patrick Lonergan sits down with DJ Van Keuren – Harvard educated family office real estate expert, founder of the Family Office Real Estate Institute, and a man who has personally managed real estate portfolios for some of the most prominent families in the country, including the Marriott family, to unpack the strategies, systems, and mindset shifts that turn entrepreneurial success into a lasting legacy. DJ brings decades of real-world experience navigating everything from luxury hotel acquisitions in New York City to distressed multifamily opportunities, and he doesn’t hold back on exactly where wealthy families go wrong and what to do instead. Patrick and DJ dive deep into the four pillars of real estate wealth building - appreciation, depreciation, amortization, and cash flow and why the average family office allocates roughly 24% of its portfolio to real estate. DJ reveals the single biggest mistake business owners make once they accumulate significant wealth (hint: it’s the same thing that made them successful in business, and they stop doing it), how to properly stress test a deal before you commit, why underwriting the operator matters far more than underwriting the deal itself, and why right now may be one of the most compelling buying opportunities in the 18.6-year real estate cycle. Whether you’re evaluating your first syndication or building a multi-generational real estate portfolio, this conversation gives you the framework, the questions to ask, and the perspective to invest with confidence. Key Takeaways: The average family office allocates ~24% of its portfolio to real estate, for good reason. Appreciation, depreciation, amortization, cash flow, and leverage all work together to build wealth in ways other asset classes simply can’t match The #1 mistake wealthy business owners make is applying zero structure to managing their own wealth, the same rigor (goals, strategy, quarterly reviews) that built the business needs to be applied to the portfolio An Investment Policy Statement (IPS) is the foundation, it defines what you’ll buy, what returns you’re targeting, and whether future generations are part of the picture Always underwrite the operator before the deal, a great property with a bad operator is a bad investment. Ask how they navigated the Great Recession, not just what returns they posted Stress test every deal, model the worst case scenario (higher cap rate at exit, higher refinancing rates) and ask if you can live with that outcome before you commit Real estate runs on an 18.6-year cycle, DJ believes we are currently at a prime buying point, with distressed multifamily assets hitting the market due to financial pressure, not property failure Multifamily has historically never exceeded 11.6% vacancy - the resilience compared to commercial or office makes it a core holding for cash flow and downside protection 70% of family wealth is lost by the second generation; 90% by the third - governance, family councils, and intentional planning are the antidote Real estate’s illiquidity is a feature, not a bug, it protects families from emotional decision-making and forces the long hold that builds real wealth The optimal number of properties in a family real estate portfolio is 15, per FORE Institute research, funds can be an efficient path to that diversification without the management burden Learn More About DJ: Family Office Real Estate Institute: fore.institute DJ Van Keuren’s personal website: djvankeuren.com | 46m 58s | ||||||
| 6/9/26 | ![]() 135 | The Portfolio Income Mistake That's Silently Draining Your Wealth with Russ Gaiser & Mike Hoeflich✨ | retirement income strategySocial Security optimization+3 | Russ Gaiser IIIMike Hoeflich | Retirement Income HQ of AmericaBeyond Breakeven: The Essential Guide to Social Security Optimization | — | retirement incomefinancial advisors+3 | — | 40m 47s | |
| 6/2/26 | ![]() 134 | The IRS Loopholes Keeping Millions in Entrepreneur Pockets with Michael Moffa✨ | tax strategyentrepreneurship+4 | Michael Moffa | Prosperity Tax AdvisorsIRS | — | tax strategiesentrepreneurs+5 | — | 55m 22s | |
| 5/26/26 | ![]() 133 | The Investment Game Is Rigged… Here's How to Get On the Right Side of It with Mike Collins✨ | venture capitalwealth building+5 | Mike Collins | Alumni VenturesAndreessen Horowitz+2 | Boston | venture capitalwealth building+8 | — | 50m 21s | |
| 5/19/26 | ![]() 132 | More Americans Drink Coffee Than Water - Here's Why That's an Investment Opportunity with Adam Jason✨ | investment opportunitiescoffee industry+4 | Adam Jason | Green Coffee CompanyTarget+2 | ColombiaWestern US National Parks | coffee investmentalternative investments+5 | — | 40m 03s | |
| 5/12/26 | ![]() 131 | How Busy Entrepreneurs Are Quietly Building Real Estate Empires with Matthew Ricciardella✨ | real estate investmententrepreneurship+3 | Matthew Ricciardella | Crystal View Capital | — | real estate empireslimited partner+3 | — | 41m 54s | |
| 5/5/26 | ![]() 130 | Self Storage Investing: Cash Flow, Tax Benefits & 1031 Exchanges Explained with Joe Downs✨ | self-storage investingreal estate+4 | Joe Downs | The Storage Moguls | — | self-storagereal estate investing+5 | — | 52m 15s | |
| 4/28/26 | ![]() 129 | Stop Adding Fuel to a Broken Engine - How to Finance Growth the Right Way with Brad Poulos✨ | business growthentrepreneurship+3 | Brad Poulos | Toronto Metropolitan University | — | business scalingfounder challenges+3 | — | 52m 37s | |
| 4/21/26 | ![]() 128 | The Business Success Trap: Why More Growth Can Costs You Everything with Dr. Travis Parry✨ | business growthwork-life balance+4 | Dr. Travis Parry | Marry and Grow Rich | — | business successburnout+6 | — | 51m 55s | |
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| 4/14/26 | ![]() 127 | The $100K Mistake Your Accountant Is Letting You Make with Chris Papin✨ | financial planningtax strategy+3 | Chris Papin | Vital Wealth Strategies168 Hours: A Startup Business Guide That Respects Your Time | — | wealth growthtax reduction+3 | — | 49m 33s | |
| 4/7/26 | ![]() 126 | You've Optimized Everything… Except This✨ | resurrectionhistorical evidence+4 | — | Vital Wealth StrategiesNew Testament+1 | — | resurrectionhistorical claim+6 | — | 20m 13s | |
| 3/31/26 | ![]() 125 | How the Top 1% Actually Invest Their Money (It’s Not What You Think) with Tad Fallows✨ | investment strategieswealth management+3 | Tad Fallows | Long Angle | — | investingwealth management+3 | — | 55m 12s | |
| 3/24/26 | ![]() 124 | Designed to Last: Why Most Entrepreneurs Take the Wrong Risks at the Wrong Time✨ | entrepreneurshiprisk management+3 | Michael O’Keefe | — | — | riskentrepreneurs+3 | — | 1h 03m 12s | |
| 3/17/26 | ![]() 123 | Why Smart Entrepreneurs Are Moving Millions into Opportunity Zones with Ashley Tison✨ | Opportunity Zonescapital gains tax+3 | Ashley Tison | OZ Pros | — | Opportunity Zonescapital gains+3 | — | 59m 41s | |
| 3/10/26 | ![]() 122 | The Content Strategy That Can 10X Your Reach with Nathan Gwilliam✨ | podcastingcontent strategy+4 | Nathan Gwilliam | Pod Up | — | podcastingmarketing+5 | — | 51m 22s | |
| 3/3/26 | ![]() 121 | Stop Gambling on Startups: The Smarter Path to Business Ownership with Greg Mohr✨ | franchisingbusiness ownership+4 | Greg Mohr | Wall Street Journal | — | franchise ownershipsemi-absentee models+5 | — | 45m 34s | |
| 2/24/26 | ![]() 120 | The Tax Strategies The High Net Worth Use That CPAs Won’t Talk About with Michael Moffa✨ | tax strategieshigh net worth+4 | Michael Moffa | Prosperity Tax AdvisorsProsperity Wealth Advisors | — | tax filingquarterly tax forecasting+5 | — | 1h 01m 22s | |
| 2/17/26 | ![]() 119 | Designed to Last: The Shift from Operator to Architect That Scales Your Business✨ | business scalingleadership evolution+3 | Michael O'Keefe | — | — | scaling businessleadership shift+3 | — | 58m 34s | |
| 2/10/26 | ![]() 118 | Stop Doing This With Your LLCs (It Could Cost You Millions) with Bobby Casey | What if the real reason your business feels exposed isn’t your income, but your structure? In this episode of the Vital Wealth Strategies Podcast, host Patrick Lonergan breaks down why so many successful entrepreneurs remain vulnerable to lawsuits, tax inefficiencies, and unnecessary risk due to poor entity planning and lack of privacy. Patrick is joined by Bobby Casey, founder of Business Anywhere, who shares hard-earned insights from decades of entrepreneurial experience helping business owners protect assets, reduce exposure, and build resilient structures that support long-term freedom. Together, Patrick and Bobby dive into the real-world mechanics of asset protection, including why insurance alone isn’t enough, why owning assets in a personal name can be dangerous, and how proper entity structuring can prevent a single lawsuit from wiping out years of work. Bobby explains his “castle” approach to asset protection, where privacy becomes the first line of defense, and highlights common mistakes entrepreneurs make when forming LLCs themselves. If you're an entrepreneur, real estate investor, or high-income business owner looking to create more peace of mind, protect what you’ve built, and gain flexibility for the future, this episode is packed with actionable strategies you can implement immediately. Key Takeaways: Why most entrepreneurs are overexposed even when they’re financially successful The biggest mistakes business owners make when forming LLCs and structuring assets Why insurance is not a substitute for real asset protection How privacy reduces lawsuit risk and deters opportunistic litigation Why you should avoid mixing real estate, operating businesses, and liquid assets in one entity The importance of dissolving LLCs after selling an asset to avoid future liability How Business Anywhere simplifies entity management, registered agent services, and renewals Episode Resources: Business Anywhere: https://businessanywhere.io Vital Wealth Resources Hub: https://vitalwealth.com/resources Podcast Homepage (Vital Wealth): https://www.vitalwealth.com/ Resources: Visit www.vitalstrategies.com to download FREE resources Listen to the podcast on your favorite app: https://link.chtbl.com/vitalstrategies Follow on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/vital.strategies Follow on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/VitalStrategiesPodcast Follow on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/patricklonergan/ Credits: Sponsored by Vital Wealth Music by Cephas Art work by Two Tone Creative Audio, video, research and copywriting by Victoria O'Brien | 1h 04m 13s | ||||||
| 2/3/26 | ![]() 117 | How High-Net-Worth Investors Build Passive Income at Scale with Bronson Hill | What if building Passive Income didn’t require becoming a landlord or adding another job to your life? In this episode of the Vital Wealth Strategies Podcast, host Patrick Lonergan, founder of Vital Wealth, sits down with Bronson Hill to unpack how investors and high net worth entrepreneurs can create truly scalable wealth without sacrificing time, freedom, or focus. Patrick brings his perspective as a tax-focused wealth strategist, while Bronson shares his journey from medical device sales to replacing earned income with passive cash flow in under three years through private real estate and alternative investments. Together, they challenge the myth of “passive” real estate, explain why most small rental strategies fail to Scale, and walk through how sophisticated investors evaluate deals, operators, and private networks. This conversation is designed for investors who want consistent passive income, better tax efficiency, and access to opportunities typically reserved for high net worth circles, without the stress and complexity that derail most wealth plans. If you are looking to scale capital, protect your lifestyle, and invest with intention, this episode delivers a practical roadmap. Key Takeaways: Why most “passive” real estate strategies actually become second jobs How High Net Worth Investors scale Passive Income through private deals The role of professional operators in building truly scalable investments How to vet deals and operators with an investor-first mindset Why private networks outperform public, mass-market investment offerings Episode Resources: Fire Yourself by Bronson Hill Official Website: Home - Bronson Equity Resources: Visit www.vitalstrategies.com to download FREE resources Listen to the podcast on your favorite app: https://link.chtbl.com/vitalstrategies Follow on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/vital.strategies Follow on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/VitalStrategiesPodcast Follow on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/patricklonergan/ Credits: Sponsored by Vital Wealth Music by Cephas Art work by Two Tone Creative Audio, video, research and copywriting by Victoria O’Brien | 46m 23s | ||||||
| 1/27/26 | ![]() 116 | Designed to Last A Strong Financial Foundation | What if hitting seven figures doesn’t make money easier… it actually makes every decision harder? In this kickoff episode of the “Designed to Last” series on the Vital Wealth Strategies Podcast, host Patrick Lonergan sits down with Michael Loki, a Vital Wealth advisor, for a conversation that challenges a common belief entrepreneurs have as they grow: that more income automatically brings more clarity. Instead, Patrick explains why success often creates more moving parts, more decisions, and more pressure and why financial confidence must be built intentionally, not hoped for. Throughout the episode, Patrick breaks down the real reason high-income business owners still feel uncertain about profitability, cash flow, and what’s “actually working” inside the business. He shares the three pillars that help businesses scale without becoming a stressful house of cards - profitability, financial reporting, and cash management and offers practical tools like monthly P&L tracking, accrual accounting awareness, accounts receivable reporting, and a 13-week rolling cash flow forecast. If you’ve ever wondered why you can have money in the bank but still feel behind, or why growth can trigger surprise tax problems and cash crunches, this episode is a must-listen. Key Takeaways: Higher income creates more complexity, not less and clarity must be built on purpose A profitable business is the first requirement for something truly “designed to last” Monthly P&L reporting (including year-over-year comparisons) is a non-negotiable tool Owner pay matters: underpaying yourself can create “fake profitability” and hurt valuation Cash flow problems can happen even in profitable businesses (especially with taxes + growth) A 13-week cash flow forecast helps owners lead proactively instead of reacting Episode Resources: Simple Numbers by Greg Crabtree QuickBooks Online Vital Wealth cash flow assessment: vitalstrategies.com/cashflow Resources: Visit www.vitalstrategies.com to download FREE resources Listen to the podcast on your favorite app: https://link.chtbl.com/vitalstrategies Follow on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/vital.strategies Follow on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/VitalStrategiesPodcast Follow on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/patricklonergan/ Credits: Sponsored by Vital Wealth Music by Cephas Art work by Two Tone Creative Audio, video, research and copywriting by Victoria O'Brien | 43m 48s | ||||||
| 1/20/26 | ![]() 115 | The Dollar Is Dying… Here’s What Comes Next with David Morgan | What happens to your wealth and your freedom, when money is no longer backed by anything and every transaction can be tracked, restricted, or shut off? In this episode of the Vital Wealth Strategies Podcast, host Patrick Lonergan sits down with financial researcher and author David Morgan to unpack the real risks of fiat currency, inflation, and centralized monetary control. David shares decades of insight into how modern money is created, why inflation quietly erodes purchasing power, and how financial “stability” can mask a system built on increasing debt, manipulation, and surveillance. Throughout the conversation, Patrick and David explore what a monetary reset could look like, the dangers of programmable money and CBDCs, and why “sound money” matters for entrepreneurs who want true long-term security. David also breaks down practical ways to reclaim monetary sovereignty, highlighting gold, silver, and land as time-tested stores of value and explains why he remains skeptical of Bitcoin as a freedom tool in today’s institutional landscape. This episode is a must-listen for business owners and high earners who want to protect their assets, think independently, and build wealth that isn’t dependent on fragile systems or compliance-driven control. Key Takeaways Fiat currency systems historically collapse when trust breaks, often through inflation or debt crises Inflation acts like a hidden tax that steadily erodes purchasing power over time CBDCs and programmable money can enable surveillance and restrictions on personal spending Financial collapse often results in asset repricing and ownership transfer—not “wealth disappearing” Gold, silver, and land remain foundational tools for preserving monetary sovereignty Silver can be a practical, accessible hedge for everyday investors Bitcoin may not deliver the independence many expect due to institutional capture concerns True freedom includes financial resilience, critical thinking, and personal responsibility Learn More About David: The Morgan Report: morganreport.com Silver Sunrise Documentary: silversunrise.tv Silver Manifesto by David Morgan Episode Resources: Mises Institute (Austrian economics): mises.org Bank for International Settlements (BIS): bis.org The Creature from Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand Resources: Visit www.vitalstrategies.com to download FREE resources Listen to the podcast on your favorite app: https://link.chtbl.com/vitalstrategies Follow on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/vital.strategies Follow on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/VitalStrategiesPodcast Follow on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/patricklonergan/ Credits: Sponsored by Vital Wealth Music by Cephas Art work by Two Tone Creative Audio, video, research and copywriting by Victoria O'Brien | 58m 28s | ||||||
| 1/13/26 | ![]() 114 | How Founders Can Unlock Liquidity Without Triggering Massive Taxes with Greg Brogger | What happens when your net worth grows faster than your liquidity and your tax bill keeps climbing along the way? Many founders and executives with equity in private companies find themselves asset-rich on paper but limited in flexibility, diversification, and tax efficiency. In this episode of the Vital Wealth Strategies Podcast, host Patrick Lonergan explores one of the most overlooked challenges facing high-earning entrepreneurs: concentrated, illiquid private equity and the hidden risks that come with waiting on a future liquidity event. Patrick is joined by Brogger, Founder and CEO of Collective Liquidity and a pioneer in private market innovation. Greg shares how exchange funds, structured liquidity, and disciplined diversification strategies can help founders and executives reduce risk, access capital, and defer taxes without giving up long-term upside. Drawing from his experience building SharesPost and the NASDAQ Private Market, Greg breaks down why traditional approaches often fail private equity holders and how a more intentional strategy can create financial flexibility, peace of mind, and better outcomes for growing businesses. Key takeaways from this episode: Why over-concentration in private company equity creates both financial and tax risk How exchange funds work and why they are especially powerful in private markets Ways founders and executives can create liquidity without triggering immediate capital gains taxes The importance of diversification for long-term wealth preservation How proactive tax strategy supports smarter business and investment decisions Learn More About Greg: Collective Liquidity Official Website: About us | Collective Liquidity Resources: Visit www.vitalstrategies.com to download FREE resources Listen to the podcast on your favorite app: https://link.chtbl.com/vitalstrategies Follow on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/vital.strategies Follow on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/VitalStrategiesPodcast Follow on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/patricklonergan/ Credits: Sponsored by Vital Wealth Music by Cephas Art work by Two Tone Creative Audio, video, research and copywriting by Victoria O'Brien | 41m 30s | ||||||
| 1/6/26 | ![]() 113 | AI is a Force Multiplier but Only if You Know How to Leverage it with Steven Saehrig | Is AI really ready to run parts of your business, or is it just another overhyped tool that creates more confusion than clarity? In this episode of the Vital Wealth Strategies Podcast, host Patrick Lonergan, founder of Vital Wealth, sits down with Steven Saehrig, founder of Descent IT, to cut through the noise and explain what AI actually looks like when implemented correctly inside a real business. Rather than focusing on shiny tools or viral prompts, this conversation gets practical, strategic, and grounded in how entrepreneurs can use AI to increase efficiency, protect their data, and future-proof their organizations. Patrick and Steven explore why AI is best viewed as a workforce multiplier rather than a replacement for people, how businesses should think about the true cost and ROI of AI adoption, and why cybersecurity must be the foundation before any automation is deployed. From real-world examples like AI-driven IT support and agentic workflows to the risks of bad actors using AI for phishing and fraud, this episode gives business owners a clear roadmap for adopting AI intentionally and securely. If you are a founder or executive wondering where to start with AI, how fast to move, and how not to get burned along the way, this episode delivers clarity, context, and actionable insight. Key Takeaways AI is not a magic bullet; it requires intentional planning, investment, and follow-through The biggest opportunity today is using AI to augment people, not replace them Businesses should automate low-value, repetitive tasks first before moving to advanced AI Paid, secure AI tools are essential for protecting business and client data Cybersecurity and identity protection must be in place before scaling AI adoption AI-driven attacks are increasing, making employee training and behavior monitoring critical Companies that delay AI adoption risk falling behind competitors over the next 5–10 years Episode Resources: Descent IT Official Website Anthropic Claude ChatGPT Microsoft Copilot Google Gemini Vital Wealth Strategies Episode 088 Resources: Visit www.vitalstrategies.com to download FREE resources Listen to the podcast on your favorite app: https://link.chtbl.com/vitalstrategies Follow on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/vital.strategies Follow on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/VitalStrategiesPodcast Follow on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/patricklonergan/ Credits: Sponsored by Vital Wealth Music by Cephas Art work by Two Tone Creative Audio, video, research and copywriting by Victoria O'Brien | 1h 00m 15s | ||||||
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