
77: To Act or To Action (Allyship) w/ Holiday Phillips
From Where There's Smoke by Brett Gajda and Nick Jaworski
June 16, 2020 · 34 min
About this episode
The episode explores the concept of allyship in the context of race and equality, featuring a discussion with Holiday Phillips on the dangers of performative allyship.
This week, as the world continues to reckon with race and equality after the murder of George Floyd, we try to understand what an ally IS... and what it isn't.Brett and Nick both hold up a mirror to look at their own actions (or lack of them). And Nick has a conversation with Holliday Philips, who recently published the article 'Performative Allyship Is Deadly (Here's What to Do Instead)'. ARTICLE: Performative Allyship Is Deadly (Here's What to Do Instead) https://forge.medium.com/performative-allyship-is-deadly-c900645d9f1f READING LIST recommended in Holiday Philips article: https://medium.com/the-open-bookshelf/a-reading-list-in-the-wake-of-the-killing-of-george-floyd-f44eb7630763 FOLLOW Holiday Philips on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/holidayphillips Find full show notes for this episode (with links to resources) at www.wheretheressmoke.co REMINDER that our FUNDRAISER FOR JUSTICE is still happening This is a way that you can be an ally with your wallet, AND get a pencil care package from Nick to support your own mindlessness, intentionality, and exploration. Go to www.wheretheressmoke.co and click on the 76: Pencil Something In episode to see ALL the details in the…
People in this episode
Hosts: Brett Gajda, Nick Jaworski
Guest: Holiday Phillips
Topics covered
- allyship
- race
- equality
- self-reflection
- social justice
Keywords
- allyship
- race
- George Floyd
- performative allyship
- social justice
- self-improvement
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: Forge, Medium
Books & works: Performative Allyship Is Deadly (Here's What to Do Instead)
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